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Attack on Titan: Why Genocide Is Sometimes Kind of Okay
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Where are you reading that?
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I found this on tumblr
! SNK Chapter 62
! Sin
! Narration: It is announced that’s Erwin’s work has crumbled the current order. The gallows were set up for those in the monarchy and administrative districts immediately after the military gained control.
! Zackly descends from the gallows and boards a carriage which also contains Erwin
! To the side, there are reporters surrounding Nile for information
! Reporter: “King Fritz wanted to interfere with your do-or-die plan so he decided to strike down the majority of humanity to protect his order.
! That was the motivation for the coup d’etat, was it not?”
! Nile: “Yes, that’s right. As Supreme Commander Zackly said before, our purpose/goal was not so the military could rule the walls
! There isn’t a history of succession in the Fritz royal family, but in the midst of increased attacks by the Titans it is a matter life-and-death for humanity because the monarchy’s unfaithfulness
! Therefore it is our duty to assist in restoring the trust of the people by bringing dignity to the true royal family and protect humanity from the threat of the titans.”
! With a slightly darkened expression, Nile adds in his mind: (“Even I changed my tune pretty quickly.”)
! “Feel free to ask questions. The ones who obstructed your free speech are now in jail.”
! At this time, the people’s thoughts are complicated. Nobles are fed up with the course of their interests. With that in mind, I think it would be wise to preserve the form of government, but the true royal family has appeared; can they expect a unifying force in the same way as before? says the reporter.
! Everyone present shows an uneasy expression
! Reporter: “As for the state of upheaval our society is currently in, what is it that we the people want? What should we believe? I do not know.”
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! The scene turns to Zackly and Erwin who are having a conversation in the carriage
! A feeble Erwin looks down as he speaks: “Thinking of humanity, we should have entrusted everything to the original monarchy”
! No matter how despicable and low the monarchy is, they have a way of making humanity survive a long time against the titans
! “Even if half of humanity is left to die, it is better than letting all of humanity go extinct“
! Erwin says that in these last few days he has thought about how for humanity he usually allows his men to die. Eren, his men, even he would’ve given up even his own life for the sake of the king
! Erwin: “If it is so that humanity is more valuable… more so than a(n individual) person…. “
! Zackly: “Your mission is as difficult as ever. It would be easier if dying was farther away.”
! Erwin asks the Supreme Commander why he has chosen this path. Zackly responds by asking Erwin why he consulted Pixis
! If you wanted to leave Eren to the monarchy and step down, it would have been better if you didn’t give advice to Pixis and made it so your subordinates couldn’t do anything they wanted)
! Erwin is at a loss for words as he thinks back to turning to Pixis for his cooperation, while on the other hand telling Hanji that negotiations with Pixis had broken down
! Seeing this, Zackly asks himself: Why is it I pointed my guns toward the King?
! Zackly: “It is because for the longest time, I have been unable to stomach the monarchy.”
! Erwin: “What…?”
! Erwin appears a bit taken aback.
! Zackly: “I was sick and tired of them. Those guys who seemed important and those who weren’t important and yet were celebrated… well no, I like them now
! I dreamed of this day, when I would rise to the top, to this status
! It seems I can say that preparing for this coup d’etat was a lifetime hobby
! Laughing a bit, Zackly: “You saw it too, right? Their tearful faces! (The look) of hypocrites at their end! Their performance was more than I had anticipated!”
! [Zackly’s “gesu” face is here]
! “I couldn’t believe how they were on the verge of tears, at their age! However now comes the real thing; Especially since we have been thinking of a way to humiliate them for decades.
! In the end, even if you hadn’t done it, I would have made them pay anyway.
Their horribleness is what has already been for certain and I don’t know what Pixis would have done, but I was not going to wave the white flag halfway through
! “I’m not interested in whether or not this revolution is good or bad for humanity. That also makes me such a villian doesn’t it? However, that’s…”
! “You are the same, aren’t you?”
! After a pause, Erwin opens his mouth: “…Yes, it seems that way.”
! Zackly: “You let others decide the path that humanity would go along, but it was too difficult to let your men die, so what you really wanted to do was not escape the pain, correct?”
! “You didn’t want to die. I, in the same way, gave precedence to myself, to the extent that I was above the fate of humanity.”
! “What is your motive? It’s your turn to answer.”
! Erwin: “…It seems I have been terribly conceited”
! With a calm face, Erwin says: “I have a dream. A dream I’ve had ever since I was a child.”
! [Picture of Erwin here]
! There is an image of Erwin in his father’s classroom
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! The scene changes to a few hours earlier where Hanji and the others have finished distributing newspaper extras, and are joining back up with Marlo and his group to meet up to where Levi is
! “Eren will be eaten?”
There is talk speculating on the actions of Reiner & co, but Hanji continues the conversation along
By eating Eren, one can obtain titan powers
! They take out the report from Erwin which contains information about Lord Reiss’ territory
! There are five children in the Reiss family, including one illegitimate child
! In particular, the eldest daughter, Frieda who had a genuine and honest personality, would go on excursions to the farm lands; villagers were said to be fond of her
(There is an image of what appears to be a dark haired girl walking with villagers while holding hands)
! However, when Wall Maria fell, that night thieves took advantage of the chaos to raid and plunder the village’s only chapel. It was set on fire and partially destroyed.
! It is said that very night, the Reiss family were offering prayers to the Maria disaster there, and everyone except head-of-the-family, Rod Reiss, was slaughtered
! That was a few days before Historia’s mother was killed by the Central Military Police
! It was immediately following that when Rod Reiss was thought to have come into contact with Historia
! Hanji is most concerned about the spot where the chapel was completely destroyed
! Why was it necessary for the thieves to destroy the building? And furthermore, why is it that Rod was the only witness, and the chapel was rebuilt soon after that?
! Hanji: It would be more strange to say that titans existed here than saying they didn’t.
! Levi agrees and says they should hurry toward that chapel to find Eren
! Armin: (“Humans who can become titans can inherit that ability by eating titans… if that’s true, then how did Eren become a titan? Who did he eat to gain the ability?”)
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! Inside of what appears to be a large cave, Eren wakes up. His body is still bound in chains.
! In front of him there is Historia, and further back is Rod talking about something with Kenny and two others.
! Historia: “Eren?! Are you awake?! Hold on a little bit longer, it’s all right”
! “Eren, listen…”
! Historia explains that her father is and has always been an ally of humanity, and that there has been a misunderstanding
! As for getting in the Survey Corps’ way and killing Pastor Nick, there was no other choice
! I will explain the rest, Rod says
While listening, Eren thinks back to that time, as well as the time when the casket was opened and when Rod embraced Historia
! Rod, while embracing Historia: “Please forgive me for everything that has happened… all of it was for the sake of protecting you. I always thought about you. I dreamed of being able to hold you like this.”
! Upon hearing those words, Historia shed tears
! Eren: “(Historia, what is it that he has he been telling you? How many times have I been kidnapped like this?”)
! “!”
! A faint light appears on the cave walls, Eren is surprised at the feeling that he has been to this place before
! Rod: “What is it? This is the first time you’ve been here. However, it’s no mystery why you have a recollection”
! Eren makes an expression of incomprehension
! As the words are being said, Rod and Historia move to stand behind Eren
! Historia: “F- Father… explain to Eren—”
! Rod: “Ah yes, I will. But there is one thing I think I want to try. All we have to do is touch him. He must have the memories in here somewhere. If that is the case, perhaps he will remember… Since we are here in this place, perhaps we might cause something to happen
The two of them touch Eren’s back
! At that moment Eren catches glimpses of various memories
! However, he is confused that the memories are not his own
! He enters the basement of a chapel, where the members of the Reiss family are gathered
! [Picture of Reiss family]
! A female titan struggling
! A view of engaging in hand-to-hand combat with the female titan?
! [Picture of Titanstoria]
! A view of attacking the Reiss family, running to escape?
! The chapel in flames
! A view of an adult pulling his hand
! A view of Eren receiving the key, a crying Eren receiving an injection
! A view of Eren in his titan form attacking
! [picture of Titan Eren]
! Eren crying over his father’s corpse: “F-ath-er? AAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!”
! [image of Eren crying over his father’s corpse]
! Rod: “So? Do you remember? Your father’s sin?”
! The chapter ends on Eren’s astonished look of terror.
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! Titans in flashback, i suppose that counts..
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! I'll be damned if it isn't one of the most important chapters in the series. Also, the irony that Zacklay says he hated how childish they were, when he's being childish himself about "paying them back". All of them are doing this for selfish reasons in the end. Kenny, Rod, Zacklay, Erwin. It's all about their dream, their wishes and their loved ones. Ah, humans. But that's why I like this series. In the end nobody can be fully selfless.
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So from what i understand
! - Rod's last child (long black hair) was the coordinate which might means that the Reiss bloodline has coordinates thus them being the royal family.
! - Eren's father (one of the bandits) knew this and attacked them, transformed into a titan and ate the child that apparently still couldn't control his coordinate power.
! - He then went went to Eren, made him into a titan with that injection and gave him coordinate powers by offering himself as food.This is a pretty hardcore truth to know for Eren, but i guess he wouldn't have believed Rod so he had to experience the people's memories.
Still, Damn.
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Well, it's out on Crunchyroll. I thought it was a great chapter - finally answers! Yes, this a very old theory confirmed basically, but I certainly was not expecting it right now, at this point, I figured there'd be a twist coming because of how well everything went, but not this.
Also, what comes after this? How will Eren deal with this, what will his reaction be? Where does it go from here? What is the full picture behind these fragments? Most importantly, if this leads to the basement, what comes after that? This is definitely the best one since 50 to me. I am really looking forward to the next chapter.
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Damn, that chapter was worth waiting for it. Tumblr must be in tears. Good.
I wonder why Grisha decided to sacrifice himself. Was he being searched for ? Couldn't he had captured (is that correct ? :ninja:) Historia's half brother and made Eren eat him instead ? Surely that'd have been complicated, but… -
Pretty much sums up this chapter -
Finally a reveal that answers more than one question while spawning fewer questions. A wham-chapter within a buildup. I know Isayama is the master of changing the subject if one plot thickens, but all is said and done right know, so action can follow. God, I love this manga!
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Pretty much sums up this chapterI'm with you there.
I think I need to reread the whole manga… some things are just unclear to me.
But some answers received. nice one
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I am just glad the whole coup d'etat plot is finally over.
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Well, this was a nice chapter. Glad Isayama decided to move the plot further and spice things up.
I was really hoping for Eren's dad to be alive but this works as well. I have to admit that so far I find the death of his mom to be better handled but we'll see when it's all said and done.
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If Eren's dad killed the Riess family, it must mean that they're either evil or have a conflicting goal with whatever he wants Eren to see in the basement.
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https://38.media.tumblr.com/f6e478197208dfa7b6f480761c34e0c9/tumblr_mgbvnqOdr21qlf2rno1_500.gif
Pretty much sums up this chapterThis
I really don't feel like this answers a whole lot. We get a conclusive detail that Eren's dad made Eren into a titan and got eaten, but beyond that not else really gets solved. Why does Eren get the memory vision of the eldest when he was asleep, and how does she mess around with Historia's memory. That and what the fuck is going on Politically with the Riess family. They murdered Historia's mother in front of her face, and basically guaranteed that she would run away because… they wanted her to take over the family? Seriously?
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So who's gonna capture Eren in the next arc? Place your bets.
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I'm kind of peeved with this arc, the series in the begining barely built uppon the social order of mankind, just the troops, and suddenly there's this whole coup plot. I mean, introduce the damn king early! I don't know, a speech or something.
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i think the fact that no one knows anything about the king just shows how corrupt the system is.
and if i was the mastermind behind the all of this, the last thing i'll do is let this guy speak in public:!
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The king will only be shown in a fresh "Eren is captured and others have to rescue him" arc.
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Nevermind, I was posting something I read on another board and it was a mistranslation.
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Huh? What are you talking about? We already saw the king and he's pretty useless, just a represntitive. Historia is supposed to be replace him as queen. The one that supposedly has the power is Rod Reiss and he's right there with Eren?
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That's the fake king from the fake royalty anyway. Historia and the rest of the Reiss' are the legit royal family, so of course some pampered fool with no sense of what's going on happens to be the one on the throne for the people to see.
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I think now Rod is going to make Historia a titan with that titan drug and have her eat Eren. now i know that she's a very weird character and you can never tell what's going through her mind, but i felt like (from the way she was talking) that she got brainwashed.
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Not really, I think it seems more like she was just exposed to the affection she has been looking for. Last time she defended someone like she did her father, was here:
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and it's the only time she's ever shown caring about humanity aside from the newest chapter.
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Ok…. So... This is officially a thing…... Seriously, they confirmed this is not a joke.
Why?
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Well, wow. I dunno why. It's obviously crazy popular in America?
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I think it's awesome. It doesn't really need a reason to exist, it should be pretty cool.
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Umm, the Titans have no chance, do they?
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Ohhh That's stupid
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The Titans look really fucking stupid. I mean, one of them has a troll face for fuck's sake, while the other one's mouth reminds me of a toilet bowl. Not a great first impression.
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Despite their appearance I can still take the story seriously, but understandable if it's too distracting.
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How does that even work? Any moderately equipped modern third world army could destroy the shit out of titans. What danger could they pose in a setting full of broken godly entities and overpowered heroes?
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It makes a lot of sense for Spider-Man to be involved with the Titans, since he has like the 3-D maneuver gear. How do guys feel about this collaboration? Do you think it'll broaden the horizon of manga/anime?
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I think in one universe this would make no sense. As a ripoff, I'm ok with it. Like the Terminator appearing in Dragonball (early RedRibbonarmy chapter).
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Ripoff is not the word, it's voluntary and mutual publicity stunt.
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So Marvel won't think of new originally villain and adapt Titans in order to attract the japanese market/anime fandom worldwide? Thats lazy.
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All I've read about this cross over that stood out was: "What would it be like if Titans attacked Marvel Universe." I would say, it's be an all out slaughter, lol.
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On the plus side, Wolverine will finally be useful against an enemy… even if he'll need spider-man to get up to the titans' necks.
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Nope, more like:
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Why are there two spidermen in that picture
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@Purple:
Why are there two spidermen in that picture
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These are apparently reports from fans.
! From Isayama at "Attack on Oyama” event: the new chapter title is "Chain" and the chapter will answer a question about "to you in 2000 years".
! "Chapter 63 will consist of more flashbacks. We will also get answers about the underground place Eren is at, and some other details will be revealed on the history with Historia’s father and Eren’s father."I hate how he kinda keeps spoiling his own story.
Sounds like a meaty chapter, at least.
–- Update From New Post Merge ---
uhh, first spoiler pictures.
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–- Update From New Post Merge ---
So the spoilers are out. There's several sources saying the same thing, so I'll just summarize. The main things seems to be:
! Monkey Titan is a natural Titan, not a shifter, with normal Titan genes used to make shifters.
The place below the chapel is made out of the same material as Annie's crystal.
Grisha killed the Reiss family who were all Titans.
He met up with Eren after fall of Wall Maria.
Eren also met up with Frieda.
Levi had no idea about Kenny's last name, but recalls a burst of energy happening to him and Kenny and Mikasa confirmed that it happened to her, too.
Historia recalls Frieda, learns she was killed and gets angry at Eren.
Zackley feeds a guy their own shit (seriously, wtf, that's the image with Zackley, also one of the grossest things I've read in a while).
The nobles keep talking about memory alternation.
Reiss prepares an injection and says that Historia can see her sister again because her memories are still there.
Chapter ends with chains rattling and Eren struggling.! The only thing that bugs me here is the Ackerman stuff. So it really is a blood connection. Sigh.
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wtf am I even seeing here.
I used to think the suicide early on was the worst the series went in terms of shock value. There's not need for this. This could've been shown maybe even just as him threatening the noble or something.
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Attack on Enema.
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http://raw.senmanga.com/Shingeki_no_Kyojin/63
What in the actual fuck did I just see!?
That aside, it was an absolutely astounding chapter.
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It actually seems like a pretty decent chapter besides that bit and the iffyness about the Ackerman stuff to me. I'll be pretty happy when the anime excludes that.
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! http://38.media.tumblr.com/25348941891a78123632ca8a8cbb2512/tumblr_nempg3WRL21qkymano3_1280.jpg
wtf am I even seeing here.
I used to think the suicide early on was the worst the series went in terms of shock value. There's not need for this. This could've been shown maybe even just as him threatening the noble or something.
WTF?
I don't get it. Are they torturing him or something?
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! So Eren's dad was a shifter. That's pretty cool. I'm gonna need to read about the ackerman stuff when the translation comes out but i guess at the end Eren realizes that the same thing is happening to Historia that happened to him. And if you have to eat a shifter to get it's powers then Eren ate his father and the plan is for Historia to eat Eren?
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WTF?
I don't get it. Are they torturing him or something?
They're making him eat his own feces.