I'm not taking it seriously, I just find it incredibly dumb that you are somehow affected by people calling him Green Bull, basicly this conversation is absolutelly dumb.
I'm out keep going.
Like I said, I'm not affected.
I'm just curious.
I'm not taking it seriously, I just find it incredibly dumb that you are somehow affected by people calling him Green Bull, basicly this conversation is absolutelly dumb.
I'm out keep going.
Like I said, I'm not affected.
I'm just curious.
lmao .. are you ok getsuga=san ?
And Zatoichi does not lose at gamble.
It isn't really gambling if you never lose.
Koala will bail him out. Finally doing something deserving her hype.
Could be fun to see how she manage to justify her hype when an admiral is concerned.
And the reason why Fuji can send him down with gravity is…?
He did pass the horizontal gravity.
Because fire has no weight. Everyone knows that.
(wow it's actually an interesting question…TO THE SECRET LAB!)
Well, I would argue "Red Dog" is easier to write and remember than Akainu.
Or "Teach" instead of "Blackbeard".
Or "Issho" instead of "Fujitora".
But whatever. Just go with what you want. I'm going with Fuji and Ryoku anyway.
I said easy to write to write and remember not easier. And for the original trio half of the time I forget it isn't their name but their title. And they are easy to memorize and write. If it's easy I just use the one the one they one they keep calling them in the manga.
Because fire has no weight. Everyone knows that.
(wow it's actually an interesting question…TO THE SECRET LAB!)
Considering gravity affects light, pretty sure I remember it affecting fire as well.
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It isn't really gambling if you never lose.
Exactly.
Could be fun to see how she manage to justify her hype when an admiral is concerned.
Quite easily, considering her possible rescue attempt would come when Fujitora is dealing with both Doflamingo and Citizens.
And before bunch of angrish fools jump on me, dealing verbally.
He did pass the horizontal gravity.
Did he? Or did he turn to fire and attack after it passed?
IMO Doflamingo and his whole family overestimate themselves by about a 100 fold, they are very arrogant and they put themselves high above everyone else. When in reality they probably have been sitting on their assess for the past 2 years, while everyone from the worst generation have been climbing up bit by bit.
Doflamingo, underestimated Luffy and the strawhats by a lot, no one actually know they've been training for the past 2 years. This ARC is where the strawhats will show everyone, that they should be feared.
One red hawk won't be enough even If it's a good start. I really hate red hawk tho
Quite easily, considering her possible rescue attempt would come when Fujitora is dealing with both Doflamingo and Citizens.
And before bunch of angrish fools jump on me, dealing verbally.
That's hardly leaving to her hype. It's simply not failing.
Did he? Or did he turn to fire and attack after it passed?
From my point of view, it's still active when he push forward.
http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-758-page-12.html
Speaking of Red Hawk..
Forgot I called it in 3D2Y news thread.
Know what would be cool? If Luffy has a super awesome new attack in this special (in which he uses again on Doflamingo in the manga).
WG does not care about underground… officially.
You are confusing what they are willing to acknowledge with what they know. Fujitora want's to force Goverments, and more importantly, Kings hands. It is not possible if the situation remains as it is.
And Revolutionary army can't do shit. Not when there is three of them, and three thousands marines on the other side, with Admiral leading them.
Doflamingo seems to work with them directly, so I wouldn't be surprise If one of Doflamingo's main job was to keep peace in the Underworld as well.
No Darth I'm not confused since this time around they don't have the choices of acknowledgement or swipe under the rug, this time they have to acknowledge that things are going terribly wrong. If this is what he/they want he/they should have join the Revolutionary army IMO.
Its funny that you actually considered three thousand Marines to be a threat. Revolutionary can always call for backups, so can Marines but now you have to consider are the Marines in a position where they can wager war on the Revolutionary army for the possession on this kingdom.
Speaking of Red Hawk..
Forgot I called it in 3D2Y news thread.
Well, it certainly wasn't new but I'll give you half a point.
Well, it certainly wasn't new but I'll give you half a point.
Well it was new considering the timeline but yeah, definitely not new to us.
Half a point sounds right.
One red hawk won't be enough even If it's a good start. I really hate red hawk tho
Doflamingo seems to work with them directly, so I wouldn't be surprise If one of Doflamingo's main job was to keep peace in the Underworld as well.
No evidence of that in the manga yet. On the contrary, rather.
No Darth I'm not confused since this time around they don't have the choices of acknowledgement or swipe under the rug, this time they have to acknowledge that things are going terribly wrong. If this is what he/they want he/they should have join the Revolutionary army IMO.
Okay, I'll play. Why do they have to acknowledge it?
Its funny that you actually considered three thousand Marines to be a threat. Revolutionary can always call for backups, so can Marines but now you have to consider are the Marines in a position where they can wager war on the Revolutionary army for the possession on this kingdom.
To twist the question: What makes you think that Revolutionaries are in position to wage an open war on one of the Admirals?
What, you expect marines to just ignore the whole thing? If the Revolutionaries want to take Dressrosa, they would have send more of their big shots there. Escalation leads to escalation on both sides.
And Oda have not shown marines being pressured in any way thus far.
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I don't like Luffy having fire (especially after sabo too).
Also the fight still have long way to finish.
Okay, I'll play. Why do they have to acknowledge it?
I suppose it comes from Dofla making a drinking game out of Sugar. Pretty much from everywhere(in the NW) and from any status( kings, revo, marines, Cp) as an idea of what Dofla is doing.
And Oda have not shown marines being pressured in any way thus far.
They sure like their buster call. Although I wonder what happen if Riku simply decide to not be a part of WG anymore.
I suppose it comes from Dofla making a drinking game out of Sugar. Pretty much from everywhere(in the NW) and from any status( kings, revo, marines, Cp) as an idea of what Dofla is doing.
You guys are severely underestimating the lengths WG would go to.
Acknowledging that Doflamingo was evil, corrupted, and they not only had no idea, but also supported him for years, and when things came to the light, supported him further and then all the credit for beating him goes to the pirates?
I said it before, and I'll say it again: If Fujitora's plans are meant to be actual part of this story, Alabasta Rehash you guys are calling for can't happen.
They sure like their buster call. Although I wonder what happen if Riku simply decide to not be a part of WG anymore.
I question how he would survive in New World without being affiliated with one of the major forces, and having a conflict with Yonkou Kaido.
Doflamingo seems to work with them directly, so I wouldn't be surprise If one of Doflamingo's main job was to keep peace in the Underworld as well.
I also think he's working for the WG for the Gorosei to be precicesly. But I don't agree that he has to keep peace. I think his job is to involve all countries which are not within the WG like Zou, Wano… in wars by supplying opposing countries with weapons. He is also a master in manipulating. And it has been stated that since King Riku disappeared the wars in the New World were spreading out.
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Doflamingo, underestimated Luffy and the strawhats by a lot, no one actually know they've been training for the past 2 years. This ARC is where the strawhats will show everyone, that they should be feared.
Which is a stupid thing, since showing what they are made off was the point off the fishman island arc. The second problem is that half the crew is not on Dressrosa and it's basically only Luffy that is going to have his limits put to a test. But yeah, it's going to truly change the world's perception about them. Wouldn't surprise me if we get a montage where they show all of the Strawhat's old friends contemplating on the situation. Sort of like what happened after Enies Lobby and post-war arc.
No evidence of that in the manga yet. On the contrary, rather.
I'm not saying there's is evidence, but that I definitely see this playing out
Okay, I'll play. Why do they have to acknowledge it?
They have to acknowledge that what they've been trying to keep is now a mess.
1. Kaido will definitely move
2. The underground world will shake
3. The countries that are being supplied by Doflamingo will be affected and we still don't know whose fighting who, for all we know it can be their worst enemy
There's so many things that will go south after Dofla is down that I found quite remarkable that you're trying to place a blind eye on it
To twist the question: What makes you think that Revolutionaries are in position to wage an open war on one of the Admirals?
This is a kingdom that has been abused for ten years, is rich on ancient history and they might stop trusting Marines as a whole. You'll say but they don't know about that History and I'll say but Robin knows that the have it.
Why aren't they in a position on wage war on Fujitora/Marines who again aren't making bold decision right now.
What, you expect marines to just ignore the whole thing? If the Revolutionaries want to take Dressrosa, they would have send more of their big shots there. Escalation leads to escalation on both sides.
And Oda have not shown marines being pressured in any way thus far.
The plan wasn't to take over Dressrosa, the plan was to investigate Dressrosa but as you can see things have gone terribly wrong and they have to step in or so I believe.
Oda hasn't shown Marines at all and lets be real here, If a war break out between those two parties only the big guns will matter at the end.
They have to acknowledge that what they've been trying to keep is now a mess.
1. Kaido will definitely move
2. The underground world will shake
3. The countries that are being supplied by Doflamingo will be affected and we still don't know whose fighting who, for all we know it can be their worst enemyThere's so many things that will go south after Dofla is down that I found quite remarkable that you're trying to place a blind eye on it
Those are the people that bombed Ohara, and one of their own centers of power into oblivion. They've hided everything done about Shichibukais or by Shichibukais.
They've hided escape of Level Six prisoners.
Also, none of the can be open on the fact that Doflamingo was evil. Why would they be? Either you go to jail for working with criminals, or you are going to jail for working with criminals against other criminals.
Everything gets covered up BECAUSE otherwise punishment will be for everyone involved.
And goverment doesn't care about Underground or Yonkou. They would try to deal with the fallout quietly, while keeping the face.
@Shadowgreed:
This is a kingdom that has been abused for ten years, is rich on ancient history and they might stop trusting Marines as a whole. You'll say but they don't know about that History and I'll say but Robin knows that the have it.
Why aren't they in a position on wage war on Fujitora/Marines who again aren't making bold decision right now.
Robin knows, but will Robin tell? Alabasta has ancient history as well, and they are founding members of WG.
And they are not in position to wage war on Fujitora and Marines, because the kingdom itself has only fodder fighters. Kyros ain't taking on Fujitora any time soon, and Sabo hardly shows that he would be capable of actually beating him.
The plan wasn't to take over Dressrosa, the plan was to investigate Dressrosa but as you can see things have gone terribly wrong and they have to step in or so I believe.
Oda hasn't shown Marines at all and lets be real here, If a war break out between those two parties only the big guns will matter at the end.
So it's Akainu, Kizaru, Fujitora, Ryokugyu, vs Sabo and Dragon.
I'm not betting on Revolutionaries here. Hell, if Dragon shows up, they can pull Sengoku and Garp out of retirement just to get him.
I'm not betting on Revolutionaries here. Hell, if Dragon shows up, they can pull Sengoku and Garp out of retirement just to get him.
Do you think Garp would actually hurt Dragon? He failed to stop Luffy when he could have, so I'm wondering if he also has the same soft spot for his son.
Those are the people that bombed Ohara, and one of their own centers of power into oblivion. They've hided everything done about Shichibukais or by Shichibukais.
They've hided escape of Level Six prisoners.Also, none of the can be open on the fact that Doflamingo was evil. Why would they be? Either you go to jail for working with criminals, or you are going to jail for working with criminals against other criminals.
Everything gets covered up BECAUSE otherwise punishment will be for everyone involved.
And goverment doesn't care about Underground or Yonkou. They would try to deal with the fallout quietly, while keeping the face.
Lets sum this on up since you're not going to budge neither I am.
Darth: WG will cover the whole Doflamingo incident up
ME: They will not be able to do such thing thanks to the scale of the situation.
Robin knows, but will Robin tell? Alabasta has ancient history as well, and they are founding members of WG.
And they are not in position to wage war on Fujitora and Marines, because the kingdom itself has only fodder fighters. Kyros ain't taking on Fujitora any time soon, and Sabo hardly shows that he would be capable of actually beating him.
Robin lived with them for two years and I'm pretty sure that they shared information, so yeah, she will tell.
They can call for back ups and Marines can too, but I already said this didn't I?
So it's Akainu, Kizaru, Fujitora, Ryokugyu, vs Sabo and Dragon.
I'm not betting on Revolutionaries here. Hell, if Dragon shows up, they can pull Sengoku and Garp out of retirement just to get him.
So you just assumed that The Revolutionary Army is just conformed by Dragon and Sabo, they don't have more people capable of fighting Admirals. As long as an entity is going against the Marines directly you won't be betting on it and that's a fact.
It funny they'll call Garp a dude that retired because of his mistake and Sengoku a dude that does not enjoy the WG deeds at all plus they're retired and old geezers.
The plan wasn't to take over Dressrosa, the plan was to investigate Dressrosa but as you can see things have gone terribly wrong and they have to step in or so I believe.
Oda hasn't shown Marines at all and lets be real here, If a war break out between those two parties only the big guns will matter at the end.
I dont think that is very fair to either side due to the fact that we saw oda using fodder to great effect in the marineford war. the were a real threat to our main character, so much so that he made a point of showing his new found allies having to block the fodder getting to him. fodder even dealt a great deal of damage to late great white bread. we can see it in every arc, except most of east blue and skypia, that fodder have significant role to play. also it is silly to think that this wont effect the world or they wont know. they have said multiple times how important DD is and how his defeat would shake major aspects of this world. also the showdown between the WG and the revolutionaries will be saved for the end. or at least there defeat will spark the action of luffy during the end game.
Lets sum this on up since you're not going to budge neither I am.
Darth: WG will cover the whole Doflamingo incident up
ME: They will not be able to do such thing thanks to the scale of the situation.
What scale?
The problem with you is that you assume that all of those people dealing illegaly with stuff done by Doflamingo will go public about it. Why would they do that?
There is literaly no-one who has something to gain about Doflamingo situation being publicly known… with the exception of certain Purple fellow.
Robin lived with them for two years and I'm pretty sure that they shared information, so yeah, she will tell.
They can call for back ups and Marines can too, but I already said this didn't I?
Then I misunderstood you.
Altough why would the fact that they are tied to ancient history would matter at all in this situation is kinda uncertain for me.
So you just assumed that The Revolutionary Army is just conformed by Dragon and Sabo, they don't have more people capable of fighting Admirals. As long as an entity is going against the Marines directly you won't be betting on it and that's a fact.
It funny they'll call Garp a dude that retired because of his mistake and Sengoku a dude that does not enjoy the WG deeds at all plus they're retired and old geezers.
It's a fair assumption, considering Sabo No. 2 in the army, therefore, following Shonen logic, is second strongest. He was second strongest BEFORE getting a massive logia power-up. And still isn't able to put even a scratch on Fujitora.
And you have no idea what other people WG has, for that matter.
Even without Sengoku and Garp, that's still 4 on 2.
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Do you think Garp would actually hurt Dragon? He failed to stop Luffy when he could have, so I'm wondering if he also has the same soft spot for his son.
Hmm. Perhaps. And perhaps not.
See, that about encompasses this entire discussion.
The fact that people think that absurd level of skill is required to even ATTEMPT dodging this attack is what baffles me.
But meh. I don't care enough to continue this discussion, Doffy has been disappointing me this entire arc, and while I would like to believe that it will soon change, I ain't holding my breath.
If it was my favorite blind man getting hit, I would care, but Doffy? Nope.
tbh what you ask for sometimes is so ambiguous or/and ??????????????????????? worthy that make me question even after all this time if youre trolling or not.
Lets sum this on up since you're not going to budge neither I am.
Darth: WG will cover the whole Doflamingo incident up
ME: They will not be able to do such thing thanks to the scale of the situation.
They simply need to place the capture on Fuji. And maybe threathen Riku to not do something foolish like leaving the WG or Viola goes to prison. And they blame them not acting on the royal not contacting them. Joker and Doffly? No official connection. They don't need to care about what brokers know but the citizens.
Robin lived with them for two years and I'm pretty sure that they shared information, so yeah, she will tell.
They can call for back ups and Marines can too, but I already said this didn't I?
I doubt Dressrosa is that important to revo or that they would be able to keep the island. I don't even see why they would be fighting. They got the Intel and the mera. They already have what they need.
So you just assumed that The Revolutionary Army is just conformed by Dragon and Sabo, they don't have more people capable of fighting Admirals. As long as an entity is going against the Marines directly you won't be betting on it and that's a fact.
It funny they'll call Garp a dude that retired because of his mistake and Sengoku a dude that does not enjoy the WG deeds at all plus they're retired and old geezers.
To be fair Sabo is number 2 and seems to be loosing. And Kuma and Ivankov seems like top commanders.
Kuma gave me the impression of being even above sabo, so if there are others lime him, its doable.
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tbh what you ask for sometimes is so ambiguous or/and ??????????????????????? worthy that make me question even after all this time if youre trolling or not.
I troll only when not refering to the manga directly.
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@LordEnel:
Kuma gave me the impression of being even above sabo, so if there are others lime him, its doable.
Why? He couldn't even deal with Ivankov.
And how many on his level they would need to defeat navy in open confrontation? Taking even one Admiral is a feat of gigantic proportions.
And why would Riku take this chance? Islands got Buster Called for less.
What scale?
The problem with you is that you assume that all of those people dealing illegaly with stuff done by Doflamingo will go public about it. Why would they do that?
There is literaly no-one who has something to gain about Doflamingo situation being publicly known… with the exception of certain Purple fellow.
What does this page tells you?
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Then I misunderstood you.
Altough why would the fact that they are tied to ancient history would matter at all in this situation is kinda uncertain for me.
I should have been more clear, like Issho who is interested on the information that he can get, the same can be applied to the Revolutionary Army, so I guess they don't have to go to war but just get their hands on the Little peoples unless the WG/Cyper Pole gets their hands on this info as well.
It's a fair assumption, considering Sabo No. 2 in the army, therefore, following Shonen logic, is second strongest. He was second strongest BEFORE getting a massive logia power-up. And still isn't able to put even a scratch on Fujitora.
And you have no idea what other people WG has, for that matter.
Even without Sengoku and Garp, that's still 4 on 2.
Fear enough, but it doesn't mean that They don't have more capable fighters.
Are you expecting Oda to introduce a bunch of Marines that ranked from VA to Admirals or something cuz If not forget it. I'm expecting him to introduce a few new marines but not a bunch of powerhouses.
We don't know jack about the Revolutionary Army and you're already calling them weak and incapable of dealing with the Marines.
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They simply need to place the capture on Fuji. And maybe threathen Riku to not do something foolish like leaving the WG or Viola goes to prison. And they blame them not acting on the royal not contacting them. Joker and Doffly? No official connection. They don't need to care about what brokers know but the citizens.
They can do that and they can also buster call the whole Island and erase everything.
I doubt Dressrosa is that important to revo or that they would be able to keep the island. I don't even see why they would be fighting. They got the Intel and the mera. They already have what they need.
Is not important as an Island per se but the information they have is important, I'm talking about Ancient History not some Dofla business investigation
To be fair Sabo is number 2 and seems to be loosing. And Kuma and Ivankov seems like top commanders.
Still, are you going to tell me that this organization who are going against the WG directly won't have capable people on their ranks, c'mon now
At the end of this arc the truth will come out because all those on the winning side plus Fujitora will want it to.
Sabo - The Revolutionaries will want the information to become public to embarrass the WG and show their corruption.
King Riku - Royal Family will also want the truth to come out so that the world will know neither he nor his people were causing all the trouble around the world.
Law will want the information to come out as it will enrage Kaidou and everyone will find out about the artificial DF's which can only be a good thing.
The gladiators and rulers from all the different countries that participated in the arena will also want the truth to come out to show that King Riku is innocent.
Fujitora will ensure the truth becomes known as it will be the final nail in the coffin of the Shichibukai system.
Even if CP0 were still on the island it would make no difference, the WG will not be able to keep a lid on things this time and they will end up looking really bad.
When it is released it will be the Strawhats + Law + Sabo that get all the credit for it, King Riku and all the other rulers will make sure of it.
What does this page tells you?
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That people who have direct, highly secret dealings with Doflamingo are distressed because their deal is off.
I don't see WG being involved in any way.
Fear enough, but it doesn't mean that They don't have more capable fighters.
Are you expecting Oda to introduce a bunch of Marines that ranked from VA to Admirals or something cuz If not forget it. I'm expecting him to introduce a few new marines but not a bunch of powerhouses.
We don't know jack about the Revolutionary Army and you're already calling them weak and incapable of dealing with the Marines.
We don't know jack about Revolutionary Army and you already decided that they are fully capable of dealing with Marines, contrary to every piece of evidence presented in the manga thus far.
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At the end of this arc the truth will come out because all those on the winning side plus Fujitora will want it to.
Sabo - The Revolutionaries will want the information to become public to embarrass the WG and show their corruption.
King Riku - Royal Family will also want the truth to come out so that the world will know neither he nor his people were causing all the trouble around the world.
Law will want the information to come out as it will enrage Kaidou and everyone will find out about the artificial DF's which can only be a good thing.
The gladiators and rulers from all the different countries that participated in the arena will also want the truth to come out to show that King Riku is innocent.
Fujitora will ensure the truth becomes known as it will be the final nail in the coffin of the Shichibukai system.
Even if CP0 were still on the island it would make no difference, the WG will not be able to keep a lid on things this time and they will end up looking really bad.
When it is released it will be the Strawhats + Law + Sabo that get all the credit for it, King Riku and all the other rulers will make sure of it.
We've been openly working towards making world distrust WG, and worked with two pirate crews and revolutionary army to do it!
And you can do nothing about it!
Except, you know. Killing us all for clearly breaking laws of the world.
We've been openly working towards making world distrust WG, and worked with two pirate crews and revolutionary army to do it!
And you can do nothing about it!
Except, you know. Killing us all for clearly breaking laws of the world.
You know, in order to cover up this whole thing, they would have to kill pretty much everybody in the island.
They could keep the citizens quiet, but… what about the gladiators? The Revolutionaries? The kings and people from other nations?
There are many outsiders and outlaws involved in this, which makes a leak inevitable. Their best bet is making Law, the Warlord, take credit for everything that happened and make Luffy his subordinate, like the choice Fuji gave to Law at Green Bit.
That people who have direct, highly secret dealings with Doflamingo are distressed because their deal is off.
I don't see WG being involved in any way.
So that page doesn't tell you that what's coming next will be the biggest thing the OP world has ever seen.
What does Dagama comment tells you
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We don't know jack about Revolutionary Army and you already decided that they are fully capable of dealing with Marines, contrary to every piece of evidence presented in the manga thus far.
They are an institution that are going against the WG directly, they wouldn't do such thing If they didn't have capable people on their ranks (Said this to Desa as well), like you have high hope for the Marines to take charge of the New World, I also have high hopes for the Revolutionary Army to do great things as well.
You know, in order to cover up this whole thing, they would have to kill pretty much everybody in the island.
They could keep the citizens quiet, but… what about the gladiators? The Revolutionaries? The kings and people from other nations?
There are many outsiders and outlaws involved in this, which makes a leak inevitable. Their best bet is making Law, the Warlord, take credit for everything that happened and make Luffy his subordinate, like the choice Fuji gave to Law at Green Bit.
I agree King Cannon, what is happening on Dressrosa is too international for it to be made to go away with threats this time, is the WG going to kill everyone on the planet.
I should have been more clear, like Issho who is interested on the information that he can get, the same can be applied to the Revolutionary Army, so I guess they don't have to go to war but just get their hands on the Little peoples unless the WG/Cyper Pole gets their hands on this info as well.
Fear enough, but it doesn't mean that They don't have more capable fighters.
Are you expecting Oda to introduce a bunch of Marines that ranked from VA to Admirals or something cuz If not forget it. I'm expecting him to introduce a few new marines but not a bunch of powerhouses.
We don't know jack about the Revolutionary Army and you're already calling them weak and incapable of dealing with the Marines.
Theoretically speaking the VAs are powerhouse. And there's a bunch of them. And there was a world draft good enough to get 2 admirals.
Sabo struggling against Fuji is good basis to think that aside from Dragon they don't have someone with a fair chances against admiralThey can do that and they can also buster call the whole Island and erase everything.
So you agree they can covered it up like they always do?
Is not important as an Island per se but the information they have is important, I'm talking about Ancient History not some Dofla business investigation
I seriously hope Dragon is focusing on actual problem rather what hypothetically happened 800 years ago. Would piss me off if it has that much importance in the revolution.
Still, are you going to tell me that this organization who are going against the WG directly won't have capable people on their ranks, c'mon now
Kuma and Sabo are capable by my standards(only Croc don't meet the requirements for me when it comes to the original 7bukais).
Depends what means by capable. I see Dofla as capable but I don't see him taking on Akainu without bad odds. Same goes for Kuma. So far any high ranking member of that army were quite strong yet far from admiral. The number 2 is now putting a fight against an Admiral after eating a devil fruit and still get the short end of the stick. I would seriously be surprised if there is someone stronger than Dragon's number 2 in the army.
You know, in order to cover up this whole thing, they would have to kill pretty much everybody in the island.
They could keep the citizens quiet, but… what about the gladiators? The Revolutionaries? The kings and people from other nations?
There are many outsiders and outlaws involved in this, which makes a leak inevitable. Their best bet is making Law, the Warlord, take credit for everything that happened and make Luffy his subordinate, like the choice Fuji gave to Law at Green Bit.
Ain't happening, Fuji already revoked his title, publicly, in front of his subordinates.
You don't get to keep it after that.
And you know, they don't even have to kill them. Even if they are working against treacherous warlord, they are working with outlaws or are outlaws.
If the choice is "You are going to cover this up, and we forget about the whole thing, or you can admit openly supporting known outlaws, and we put you in Level Six of Impel Down", are you really going to fight against the world just to spread the truth?
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So that page doesn't tell you that what's coming next will be the biggest thing the OP world has ever seen.
What does Dagama comment tells you
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And so the world will shift.
How do you figure anyone is going to openly acknowledge anything?
They are an institution that are going against the WG directly, they wouldn't do such thing If they didn't have capable people on their ranks (Said this to Desa as well), like you have high hope for the Marines to take charge of the New World, I also have high hopes for the Revolutionary Army to do great things as well.
… But people do that. Constantly.
They don't have to be equal to the marines to do great things. That is an insult to freedom fighters everywhere, when they are, practicaly as a rule, underdogs.
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I agree King Cannon, what is happening on Dressrosa is too international for it to be made to go away with threats this time, is the WG going to kill everyone on the planet.
Because?
You keep saying that it is necessary. Necessary for whom, exactly? What is there to gain for anyone involved in exchange for exposing Doflamingo publicly?
Why didn't Vivi and Cobra do it for Crocodile?
I can see plenty risks in not keeping it hidden, but other then a principle, there is nothing that would push anyone to disclose anything that Doffy's doing.
Ain't happening, Fuji already revoked his title, publicly, in front of his subordinates.
You don't get to keep it after that.
Law is still considered a tentative Warlord (even though Doula Mongo was there when the "revokation" happened). This is also supported by the volumes.
That makes me think Oda will want Law to keep his title, or else he would just refer to him as a former Warlord instead.
And you know, they don't even have to kill them. Even if they are working against treacherous warlord, they are working with outlaws or are outlaws.
If the choice is "You are going to cover this up, and we forget about the whole thing, or you can admit openly supporting known outlaws, and we put you in Level Six of Impel Down", are you really going to fight against the world just to spread the truth?
The Rikus are not responsible for what those outlaws might do. And they have no control over them either.
You know, in order to cover up this whole thing, they would have to kill pretty much everybody in the island.
They could keep the citizens quiet, but… what about the gladiators? The Revolutionaries? The kings and people from other nations?
There are many outsiders and outlaws involved in this, which makes a leak inevitable. Their best bet is making Law, the Warlord, take credit for everything that happened and make Luffy his subordinate, like the choice Fuji gave to Law at Green Bit.
They supposedly covered up the level 6 escape. I doubt there's any limit to what they can cover.
Why not make Fuji take the credit rather than Law?
Ain't happening, Fuji already revoked his title, publicly, in front of his subordinates.
You don't get to keep it after that.
And you know, they don't even have to kill them. Even if they are working against treacherous warlord, they are working with outlaws or are outlaws.
If the choice is "You are going to cover this up, and we forget about the whole thing, or you can admit openly supporting known outlaws, and we put you in Level Six of Impel Down", are you really going to fight against the world just to spread the truth?
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And so the world will shift.
How do you figure anyone is going to openly acknowledge anything?
... But people do that. Constantly.
They don't have to be equal to the marines to do great things. That is an insult to freedom fighters everywhere, when they are, practicaly as a rule, underdogs.
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Because?
You keep saying that it is necessary. Necessary for whom, exactly? What is there to gain for anyone involved in exchange for exposing Doflamingo publicly?
Why didn't Vivi and Cobra do it for Crocodile?
I can see plenty risks in not keeping it hidden, but other then a principle, there is nothing that would push anyone to disclose anything that Doffy's doing.
The exchange is not the be all and end all Darth just as the Marines are not either, with so many main players and leaders/representatives from so many different countries I cant see the WG or anyone keeping this quiet.
If you believe otherwise that's up to you Darth, we shall have to wait and see what actually happens.
The Rikus are not responsible for what those outlaws might do. And they have no control over them either.
Blackmail the family using Viola AKA Violet.
They supposedly covered up the level 6 escape. I doubt there's any limit to what they can cover.
Why not make Fuji take the credit rather than Law?
Because with Law, you can make the excuse that Luffy was working for him.
Thus, the result is the same. The WG takes the credit, but they don't have to cover up what Luffy did, as he was "working" for them through Law. Makes the cover up easier.
Blackmail the family using Viola AKA Violet.
The Rikus have no control over the outlaws.
Bartolomeo, Chinjao Family, Hajrudin, etc…
Because with Law, you can make the excuse that Luffy was working for him.
Thus, the result is the same. The WG takes the credit, but they don't have to cover up what Luffy did, as he was "working" for them through Law. Makes the cover up easier.
I don't see them giving credit to one of their biggest target. They want to take out the strawhats I doubt they will give credit to someone they have to chase later on rather than one of the pride of the marines. So I would say easier to put everything on Fuji.
The Rikus have no control over the outlaws.
But they can be forced to keep their mouth shut using Viola.
Law is still considered a tentative Warlord (even though Doula Mongo was there when the "revokation" happened). This is also supported by the volumes.
That makes me think Oda will want Law to keep his title, or else he would just refer to him as a former Warlord instead.
I don't see Fuji allowing that. It's not in his best interest.
The Rikus are not responsible for what those outlaws might do. And they have no control over them either.
Who cares?
You know, I get called a lot for giving WG too much credit, but even I am not naive enough to see that conversation going in favor of Riku.
They are fucking machiavellan bastards. And every citizen, you know, those people Riku cares about, is very, very clearly working for the Doflamingo right now.
And since they do, WG will go like "Well, to openly accuse him of anything would mean that your own citizens have openly supported a very dangerous and powerful outlaw. But if you want, sure, we can go with it, King Riku."
They are bloody bastards.
They would send everyone to Impel Down just to spite him.
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Anyway, just going to leave it here.
Doflamingo will not be defeated by Luffy/Law duo.
He will be approached by Citizens, with either all the stars currently captured, or perhaps even all of them currently on the Island.
He will be confronted by Fujitora, who will get past Sabo, be it by defeating him, or by other means.
And in the villain monologue citizens will realize that what they were doing was wrong, therefore deciding to go against Doffy on their own accord.
After which they will be supported by finaly fully serious Fuji, which will make Doffy run.
Only to be defeated by Luffy in round two.
I, Prophet Darth, second only to Great Buggy, have spoken.
But they can be forced to keep their mouth shut using Viola.
Yes, but that won't stop the unrelated outlaws.
I don't see Fuji allowing that. It's not in his best interest.
But I could see the WG doing that. They're the ones who control the presses after all.
Who cares?
You know, I get called a lot for giving WG too much credit, but even I am not naive enough to see that conversation going in favor of Riku.
They are fucking machiavellan bastards. And every citizen, you know, those people Riku cares about, is very, very clearly working for the Doflamingo right now.
And since they do, WG will go like "Well, to openly accuse him of anything would mean that your own citizens have openly supported a very dangerous and powerful outlaw. But if you want, sure, we can go with it, King Riku."
They are bloody bastards.
They would send everyone to Impel Down just to spite him.
The thing is that it's really naive to expect that making Riku and his people quiet will prevent information from leaking, as if there were no international witnesses.
The thing is that it's really naive to expect that making Riku and his people quiet will prevent information from leaking, as if there were no international witnesses.
Didn't you just said that they control the presses?
The deal would be: You can either go to war with us, or enjoy the peace you finaly earned.
That's why I say Fujitora will force citizens into action. If they side with Marine Admiral of their own volition, WG cannot not ackowledge them. It would as if they openly admited their own military is not trustworthy.
Fujitora's action will lead to both Citizens being saved from WG retribution, and Shichibukai being exposed openly as the criminals they are.
You can't get both of those things if Luffy beats Doflamingo up while Fujitora is busy and Citizens are hunting people for the warlord.
Yes, but that won't stop the unrelated outlaws.
Seing how level 6 was supposedly covered up I'm certain what criminal says won't matter. Why believe a bunch of dangerous outlaws rather than the trustworthy marines. I'm not even sure why they spread the news among citizens( who are the ones that matters for public opinion). The kings who heard Usopp name are really are the only tricky part but since they aren't witnessing what is going on right now it shouldn't be a problem to convince them marines acted when they remembered the truth.
how much can the WG cover up in the new world , they have almost complete political power over the first half of the grand line
that's why they can alter facts and fool ppl there whenever they want
but how can they keep the truth from the four yonko , the underground world or the independent countries that have residents on dressrosa like wano kuni and kano kuni ? … the underground trade port is already filled with merchants from allover the new world dealing with doflamingo and they witnessed all what happened how could you stop that?
i suspect the moment the birdcage is down the word will spread equally in time through the new world as it does to the WG
Theoretically speaking the VAs are powerhouse. And there's a bunch of them. And there was a world draft good enough to get 2 admirals.
Sabo struggling against Fuji is good basis to think that aside from Dragon they don't have someone with a fair chances against admiral
They have two Admiral, but I don't believe or expect that Oda will introduce a bunch of powerhouses just for the sake of doing it, he as the opportunity to do it but If he does this you can expect the Pirates to gain a huge power bust as well.
So you agree they can covered it up like they always do?
I was being sarcastic
I seriously hope Dragon is focusing on actual problem rather what hypothetically happened 800 years ago. Would piss me off if it has that much importance in the revolution.
But the past is important, you need to learn about the past in order to correct the future
I would seriously be surprised if there is someone stronger than Dragon's number 2 in the army.
Then we just have to wait and see If they're just a bunch of pushovers