Just call it a producer/animator epic fail. The general animation is beautiful/fancy enough, it would have been lovely with just that. But NOOOOOOOOO . . . . . .
Sailor Moon
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Did they learn nothing from the Berserk movies?
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I'm in the group that finds CG in 2D cartoons to look cheap 99% of the time. I don't think I've ever really welcomed it. I don't really get why they didn't just have an A team animation group do those transformations since they were going to get recycled for a while anyways.
That said Sailor Moon's looks decent except for a few spots of shading and a couple movements. Sailor Mercury's looks awful to me. Her movements feel so stiff.
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Haven't gotten around to watching the episode, but I found Sailor Mercury's transformation. WAY better than Sailor Moon's, CGI and all. The water looked fine, nice little touch with the Mercury symbol.
But the MUSIC. Same transformation music as Sailor Moon, why doesn't she have her own music!? Each senshi should have her own theme!! UGH.
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Saw the second episode, loving it so far! The CGI transformations are a little bit iffy, but not really BAD. Tho, Wow. Usagi is just as much of a useless whiner lol.
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So I was bored and finally gave this a look. I'd say that while it's good it does lack some of the charm of the original, although I can't pinpoint what it is that I find lacking. Maybe there just hasn't been enough time to actually enjoy the characters yet, it seems pretty plot driven and the speed is ramped up to eleven.
I mean, I love Ami and am glad she's here so soon, but in retrospect it was nice having all that time of just Usagi and Luna to see her grow into the sailor moon character. Or at least get used to her before the spotlight was shared.
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Yeah….it's not that bad right? I mean, why try pulling your "A" game with an insignificant franchise like Sailor Moon? Pfft..Sailor Moon
This is what really irritates me about Toei.
It's not that Crystal looks horrible, it's that it doesn't look too hot compared to other shows airing this very season. It's a major franchise; it's not an ultra long series with tons of episodes to wear the whatever the budget is thin; it has not one, but two weeks between episodes. It absolutely should look better. I'm not talking about neither CGI, nor the artstyle, I'm talking about the average animation quality so far. I wouldn't be annoyed with this if I thought that Toei didn't have much of an A game for TV producions, but I know that Kyousugiga exists.
But then again, this show got postponed a gajillion times and is broadcast through… Nico Nico, so maybe it's actually underfunded, dunno.
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Or it's simply genius on toeis part spending less money, because they know everybody will watch it and buy it. As sad as it is.
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MARS IS HERE <3<3<3
overall I found that episode to be pretty boring but I'm suuuuper excited for next weeks episode! ROMANCE! >o<
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Rei had some crazy facial derps going on lol.
Also this show reminds me how shallow most of Usagi's interactions come off as lol. "Sooooo pretty! Be my friend!"
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Yeah usagi is just… meh.:ninja:
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shut up, she's super kawai!
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Kawai doesn't make a good and interesting character. xD
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right now you're like a sailor moon villain, always underestimating her :o
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I am more like a game of thrones bad guy, who seems to have lost only then to come back and crush sailor moon, lol.^^
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Finished the manga, I liked it a lot, but I understand what some people here were saying.
Mars and Jupiter may as well not have even been in it at all. Probably Neptune as well. The main characters were obviously Usagi, Chibiusa, and Mamoru. Pluto,Uranus (who is so much better in the manga), and Saturn had more "panel" time than the inner senshi.
Oh well.
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So I have never seen/read Sailor Moon other than random segments that I caught on TV while growing up. Out of curiosity I'm giving Sailor Moon Crystal a shot. But the first two episodes were really boring, and Usagi is annoying as hell. Do things ever get more… exciting/intense/intriguing? I'm just wondering if it's worth it for me to keep watching or if the fact that I don't like it now means I probably never will. Cause I'm not so interested in watching a crybaby accidentally defeat monsters of the week.
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I heard that she kinda stays the crybaby. I certainly hope not, it gets annoying quick.
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Yeah usagi is just… meh.:ninja:
But the first two episodes were really boring, and Usagi is annoying as hell. Do things ever get more… exciting/intense/intriguing? I'm just wondering if it's worth it for me to keep watching or if the fact that I don't like it now means I probably never will. Cause I'm not so interested in watching a crybaby accidentally defeat monsters of the week.
The entire POINT of the character is that she matures and grows as it all goes along.
She's supposed to be an awful, uncoordinated, lazy, jealous, crybaby at the start. She grows and matures wonderfully in the course of the series, so no, she does NOT remain a crybaby.
And if this version of the show works at all like the old show… they're both fairly weak series at the start... its not until the cast is assembled and the characters work off one another that it starts to really work. It's not about the monster of the week slaying gimmick, that will always remain dumb, and honestly a fairly minor part of it eventually. (While it was in EVERY FILLER episode, even there they eventually just started shoehorning it into the last 2 minutes of the eps and focusing on other stuff instead... kinda like a requisite Team Rocket appearance) It's not about that, it's about the characters.
The lead villains are pretty interesting, their disposable minions of the day are not. The old show it was the second villain arc with Nephlite falling in love with a human girl and changing sides that started to make it all interesting (around episode 15?)... but as that story arc didn't exist in the manga... there's no telling how it'll be in the new show? (The new show by episode 3 is where the old show was at by episode 10, btw)
It's reeeally hard to judge what the new show is going to do, since at this point, its practically just an abridged series version of the old show.. and the actual content changes should be in the episodes that come from here on out.
But the first villain and the introduction episodes do suck, yes.
ALL THAT SAID, no Foolio, it's probably not a show for you. Or anyone past the age of teenager for that matter, without at least some nostalgia binding them.
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I can honestly say I'm enjoying it thus far, but Usagi being a shallow crybaby is kinda wearing thin.
Which is weird because I do remember growing up on this show, but when I hit High School and I started watching anime in Japanese, I kinda stopped caring about SM because we only had a terrible dub in America, so all my memories of it are from watching the old Dic dub and the few Japanese VHS tapes my friend Paulina had of Super S.
Watching it now, she's WAY more incompetent than I remember her being…
The promise that she eventually gets better, and the supporting cast being interesting thus far is the only reason I'm keeping with it. -
Watching it now, she's WAY more incompetent than I remember her being…
No, thats absolutely as bad as she always was at the start. She's matured pretty well into her role by the midpoint of the Beryl arc…. at which point her incompetent stuff mostly stuck to school related things. (And she had her friends to balance her out eventually.)
REALLY curious how things are gonna pace from here.
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Watching it now, she's WAY more incompetent than I remember her being…
The promise that she eventually gets better, and the supporting cast being interesting thus far is the only reason I'm keeping with it.Yep same here. By the time I got into anime, sailor moon wasn't airing anymore, so I have no nostalgia for it. And I provably would have enjoyed it a lot, cause besides series like dragonball, ranma, digimon, shin chan and pokemon, I also watched stuff like kaito jeanne, wedding peach and the first series of pretty cure and actually enjoyed them as a kid.^^ And I assume sailor moon overall is better than those ones.
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No, thats absolutely as bad as she always was at the start. She's matured pretty well into her role by the midpoint of the Beryl arc…. at which point her incompetent stuff mostly stuck to school related things. (And she had her friends to balance her out eventually.)
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's my Nostalgia goggles having me forget how annoying she was, or maybe it's the fact that the original Dub didn't have her voice quite as Shrill.
I'll stick with it, I keep getting told she gets more competent, it's just kinda funny here how bad she is to start lol.
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No, thats absolutely as bad as she always was at the start. She's matured pretty well into her role by the midpoint of the Beryl arc…. at which point her incompetent stuff mostly stuck to school related things. (And she had her friends to balance her out eventually.)
REALLY curious how things are gonna pace from here.
Not really…at least, in the case of the manga, she went from a general crybaby to a jealous crybaby. She was upset that Mamoru "cares more" for Chibiusa than herself. The majority of her crying (which isn't played for laughs) is how she never gets to spend time with him or how he always "likes" someone else. Chibiusa is more interesting than her haha.
After reading the manga the best arcs were Dark Moon (equivalent of Sailor Moon R) and anything with the outer senshi who were the best characters. In the anime I liked Mars the best but she is mostly one note in the manga and barely exists there :\
Also, in the old anime most of the characters were incompetent O.o
The ONLY character in the manga who came off as incompetent (in battle) was Sailormoon in the beginning. Everyone else was perfectly capable of fighting (including Chibimoon who they played off for laughs all the time in the anime). -
The entire POINT of the character is that she matures and grows as it all goes along.
She's supposed to be an awful, uncoordinated, lazy, jealous, crybaby at the start. She grows and matures wonderfully in the course of the series, so no, she does NOT remain a crybaby.
And if this version of the show works at all like the old show… they're both fairly weak series at the start... its not until the cast is assembled and the characters work off one another that it starts to really work. It's not about the monster of the week slaying gimmick, that will always remain dumb, and honestly a fairly minor part of it eventually. (While it was in EVERY FILLER episode, even there they eventually just started shoehorning it into the last 2 minutes of the eps and focusing on other stuff instead... kinda like a requisite Team Rocket appearance) It's not about that, it's about the characters.
The lead villains are pretty interesting, their disposable minions of the day are not. The old show it was the second villain arc with Nephlite falling in love with a human girl and changing sides that started to make it all interesting (around episode 15?)... but as that story arc didn't exist in the manga... there's no telling how it'll be in the new show? (The new show by episode 3 is where the old show was at by episode 10, btw)
It's reeeally hard to judge what the new show is going to do, since at this point, its practically just an abridged series version of the old show.. and the actual content changes should be in the episodes that come from here on out.
But the first villain and the introduction episodes do suck, yes.
ALL THAT SAID, no Foolio, it's probably not a show for you. Or anyone past the age of teenager for that matter, without at least some nostalgia binding them.
Thanks. I mean I don't expect it to be my favorite show or anything, but I feel like it's important enough that I should give it a chance. Based on what you said it's worth it.
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I gotta say that Usagi has a nice character arc, it's clearly intentional she's such a crybaby at the start. This has been okay. Lots of off art in general, but I don't hate it. It's a little bit of the nostalgia thing, too, I guess. I'm just curious how different it will be.
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Finished the manga, I liked it a lot, but I understand what some people here were saying.
Mars and Jupiter may as well not have even been in it at all. Probably Neptune as well. The main characters were obviously Usagi, Chibiusa, and Mamoru. Pluto,Uranus (who is so much better in the manga), and Saturn had more "panel" time than the inner senshi.
Yeah, I agree. As much as I adore the manga (it's top three for me alongside OP and FMA), it does have its flaws. Honestly, Sailor Moon has always been a cash cow. Looking at even its earliest history shows that much. It started out as Sailor V, a story about one scout, which was pushed to the wayside in favor of a more marketable team of Sailor Scouts. I love the characters a lot, but they basically boil down to collectibles. Every girl when I was growing up had their favorite scout. More scouts made the series more personal to an individual, who could like one character more than another. Even now with Sailor Moon Crystal, Toei Animation is using cheaper animation to tell a story that's already been told in the manga with very few variations. I really do love the new anime, but there's no artistic need to tell this story again. It's all for the money.
Oh, and Saturn really does get a lot of screen time, especially in S and SuperS. Although it's criminal the mere 3 or so episodes she gets in the original 200 series.
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Thanks. I mean I don't expect it to be my favorite show or anything, but I feel like it's important enough that I should give it a chance. Based on what you said it's worth it.
Well, NO ONE knows at this point if the new anime will even have the good qualities of the old show. The manga had its advantages over th eanime… but also a lot of weaknesses. Its one of the rare cases where "being closer to the manga" isn't necesarilly a good thing.
So... it may not end up being the best exposure?
But I won't really reccomend the original either cause it sucks for a pretty long while and well... the franchise is what it is. It definitely has its merits but some of the weaknesses are really hard to overlook.
@Penultimate:Yeah, I agree. As much as I adore the manga (it's top three for me alongside OP and FMA), it does have its flaws. Honestly, Sailor Moon has always been a cash cow. Looking at even its earliest history shows that much. It started out as Sailor V, a story about one scout, which was pushed to the wayside in favor of a more marketable team of Sailor Scouts.
That wasn't really a marketing thing, don't be so pessimistic about it. The author simply found V kind of dull… and Moon was a much more interesting character to her. (The whole crybaby angle hadn't really been done at that point.)
And at the time, Magical Girl shows had been going for decades, and sentai shows had been going for decades, but no one had every tried combining them. Rather than being a simple cash crab, that was the mark of genius that made the series memorable and interesting... and why it worked. Having a cast of likeable characters to choose from is something all series should do?
Now, if she'd gone and done an entire classroom of magical girls so there were 31 different scouts to choose from, that's a little closer to an obvious fandom grab... but really the approach just hadn't been done before at the time.
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Ok, so watching crystal is really really hard like weeks after getting into the classic anime, and I am wondering
Is the manga this rushed? Idk if I just got used to the slower pace of the classic anime, but damn, these episodes in crystal feel like they're going super fast, and you have stuff just happening without reason or explanation.
As someone currently catching up with both, getting to really enjoy the classic one after sticking with it, but this new one just makes me grab my head and ask myself what's happening.
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Is the manga this rushed?
Yes. In about 5 chapters if I recall well 4 of the scouters have already been introduced and two villians have been defeated.
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Yes. In about 5 chapters if I recall well 4 of the scouters have already been introduced and two villians have been defeated.
Wow, that's intense. Yea, seems I definitely got used to the hyper fluffed old anime version where it takes like eight episodes for Mercury to appear. Unsure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
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Depends on your point of view. Before you weren't even aware, but soon as you realize there was a lot of filller and altered elements in the story it doesn't feel like a good adaptation anymore.
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In some parts even without knowing the filler was definitely felt, but in some cases like the Nephrite story arc I'd daresay it was more interesting to follow.
I'd also lie if I said I didn't enjoy some moments like the mom and teacher being dorky, usagi and rei arguing and almost every mamoru-usagi interaction. The humor is definitely a highlight.
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Omg. I hated Chibiusa so much. Her getting also being bratty of the attention Usagi got made no sense in kinda a worse way that Usagi's jealously for one weird reason. She knew from the start they were her parents I thought? If so shouldn't she not be causing rifts between her future parents? Although if she had accidentally caused herself to not exist…That would have been hilarious.
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right now you're like a sailor moon villain, always underestimating her :o
Like a Sailor Moon villain? That means he might not live long any more.
Yeah usagi is just… meh.:ninja:
So you know her secret identity? That especially means your fate is sealed.
Sorry, was nice to meet you, but… well, all good things...
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Ah come on guys, I am definitely gonna live very lo…wait what's that...oh no, a girl busted through my window screaming something about punishment and moon...what the..aaaaaaaahhh......
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Actually I really dislike Usagi in the original anime because she kinda stayed the same crybaby from season 1 to season 5! She just always whines about how Mamoru didn't paid attention to her enough! Maybe because of the fillers?
I liked the manga Usagi a bit better in that she really did grew up from being a crybaby to a real scout with responsibilities and really became fit to be the Neo Queen Serenity.
Hope Crystal will treat Usagi's growth is yet to be seen. I really hope they do her development well!!
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Really? Because I'm like ten chapters away from finishing it and she still fucking whines about everything especially Mamoru and how he pays too much attention to Chibiusa.
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Wow, that's intense. Yea, seems I definitely got used to the hyper fluffed old anime version where it takes like eight episodes for Mercury to appear. Unsure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
There's a balance. The filler gave things time to breathe and get to know the characters… but there was also a TON of it between big plot points, which led to something important only happening every 8 episodes while we got dozens of lame episodes of wacky monsters of the day.
On the other hand, some of the filler, like neflite's turnaround, or the final showdown with Beryl, was filler and that was by far the best material the series had.
Right now it seems like they're ONLY adapting manga chapters (most of which appeared in the old anime) so it just feels like an abridged series... but I can't imagine them going past Beryl in this first season and NOT showcasing more stuff in the opening? So its really how they handle the middle that's going to make a difference and decide how good this anime ends up being.
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Actually I really dislike Usagi in the original anime because she kinda stayed the same crybaby from season 1 to season 5! She just always whines about how Mamoru didn't paid attention to her enough! Maybe because of the fillers?
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Really? Because I'm like ten chapters away from finishing it and she still fucking whines about everything especially Mamoru and how he pays too much attention to Chibiusa.
Her personal life and school work she continues to be a brat about. But when it comes to battle responsibility? Stepping up? Dealing with challenges and monsters? Taking care of her family? She grows up in all those respects.
The character that
! Faces down against Beryl on her own after all her friends have sacrificed and died, in order to save Tuxedo mask and then solos the evil….
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That wasn't really a marketing thing, don't be so pessimistic about it. The author simply found V kind of dull… and Moon was a much more interesting character to her. (The whole crybaby angle hadn't really been done at that point.)
Not true, Salior V is one of Naoko Takeuchi's favorite characters:
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Omg. I hated Chibiusa so much. Her getting also being bratty of the attention Usagi got made no sense in kinda a worse way that Usagi's jealously for one weird reason. She knew from the start they were her parents I thought? If so shouldn't she not be causing rifts between her future parents? Although if she had accidentally caused herself to not exist…That would have been hilarious.
Chibiusa hated her mom….there was a whole thing abut that....it's kinda why she became Black Lady. Chibimoon fell in love with Mamoru and hated Usagi. You really might want to go back and read/watch the Black Moon arc. It's pretty obvious, by the time the series gets past this arc, that Chibimoon is in an alternate timeline anyway.
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Not true, Salior V is one of Naoko Takeuchi's favorite characters:
Eh. I just remembered she stopped doign V and found Moon a more interesting protagonist. Its fine if she continued to like Venus.
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That wasn't really a marketing thing, don't be so pessimistic about it. The author simply found V kind of dull… and Moon was a much more interesting character to her. (The whole crybaby angle hadn't really been done at that point.)
And at the time, Magical Girl shows had been going for decades, and sentai shows had been going for decades, but no one had every tried combining them. Rather than being a simple cash crab, that was the mark of genius that made the series memorable and interesting... and why it worked. Having a cast of likeable characters to choose from is something all series should do?
Now, if she'd gone and done an entire classroom of magical girls so there were 31 different scouts to choose from, that's a little closer to an obvious fandom grab... but really the approach just hadn't been done before at the time.
I wasn't trying to be pessimistic, just realistic. As I said before, I love Sailor Moon and being critical and honest about it doesn't change that fact.
Also, if Takeuchi found V to be "kind of dull," why did she then continue the story beyond Sailor Moon? The last chapter of Sailor V was actually written after Sailor Moon was completed. Unfortunately, there's not a lot of public information behind this decision so this is all I really know concretely. As RuNa said though, she is one of Takeuchi's favorite characters, so much that she is the most prominent scout in many of the important shots in the manga.
Of course, Sailor Moon isn't only a cash grab. The point I was trying to make is that while Sailor Moon Crystal is quite obviously a cash grab, this kind of behavior isn't new to Sailor Moon.
Oh and Chibiusa is way better handled in the manga. I especially love her role in Stars, where its clear that she has grown as a character and is a leader in her own right. It's rare to see that kind of development in manga, especially with something like Sailor Moon.
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Think of it this way. Would everyone here rather have Crystal….or Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon Kai.
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I hope you'd pick the former.
I like Crystal for what it is but it's only going to cover until the end of the Black Moon arc (chapter 26). For them to do the whole series it would need to be 60 episodes or 52 but combine some content to cut down on the episode count.
Also, some people here need to realize that Naoko Takeuchi expected the series to end after the first arc. Of course, then, things will move fast. Nakayoshi is also a monthly magazine so the arcs can't drag as long. There are five story arcs at 60 chapters. One Piece could cover 260 chapters in the same amount of time (so, from the start of the series until partway through Skypiea).
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Anyway, Mars' transformation looked freaking AWESOME.
And all of them mixed to gether as always, looks better than when they just ran long shots of the individual transformations before.
I like Crystal for what it is but it's only going to cover until the end of the Black Moon arc (chapter 26). For them to do the whole series it would need to be 60 episodes or 52 but combine some content to cut down on the episode count.
Are they going to the end of Black Moon? Has that been confirmed, or is it just assumed? (I'd think if they were going that far they'd hint at it in the opening)
I'd sort of figured they'd run through a few manga staples then flesh it out their own way… that's just a straight manga retelling then, which they implied they weren't going to do?
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Are they going to the end of Black Moon? Has that been confirmed, or is it just assumed?
I'd sort of figured they'd run through a few manga staples then flesh it out their own way… that's just a straight manga retelling then, which they implied they weren't going to do?
Of course, it hasn't been confirmed, HOWEVER the episode count and chapter count match up. Also, it would be an alright stopping point anyway. Having the sad moment where Chibiusa is leaving and Usagi is thinking about all that has happened and how sad she'll be….only for Chibiusa to reappear a second later with a letter from Queen Serenity asking her and Mamoru to raise her as their child. It would be pretty funny. Also, if it's popular, they could just make a second series.
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Mars' transformation was the best so far. ^_^
Is anyone else annoyed with the way all of their lips are drawn? I dunno why but their lips annoy me.
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Mars' transformation was the best so far. ^_^
Is anyone else annoyed with the way all of their lips are drawn? I dunno why but their lips annoy me.
It looked good on paper but I guess not as much in motion. The lips are exactly how it is drawn in the manga. I personally liked the art they went with for the anime. It's like seeing my childhood coming to life. I read the manga before the anime many years back and I prefer the manga so much more.
I hope they animate the volume where Luna falls in love with an astronaut. Or was it a movie already?
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Indeed, the animation is pretty good. I actually never skip the intro either, the intro is pretty kickass.
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So, Sailor Moon was actually my first anime. Kind of. I had Japanese friends live across the street and whenever I went over to their house, they would have Sailor Moon and Doraemon VHS tapes playing all the time. I sort of watched it (it lacked subtitles) and didn't really comprehend what was going on, but I certainly remember sitting in front of it and liking the animation. After that I remember catching a few minutes of the DiC dub in syndication in the mid '90s waaaay early in the morning and then once or twice on Toonami one time. That was pretty much all the exposure to Sailor Moon I've had.
So now that Viz has licensed both shows and began uploading two episodes of the original to Hulu every Monday I figured it'd be best to give this a proper watch. I've been keeping up and I've been enjoying what I've been seeing. Gotta say, though. I like the original version more. Sure, the newer one looks crisper and all, but the original just has a certain charm to it that I think Crystal lacks. Be it the art, pacing, or music… I don't know yet.
Anyway, I'm 26 episodes in to the original and some things still leave me scratching my head. The first big one is how in the world do people that Usagi interacts with on a daily basis not recognize her as Sailor Moon? Her attitude is practically the same, her voice is the same, and appearance hardly changes. It's even more obvious than Usopp as Sogeking. This goes for the rest of the Guardians too. If anything, Mamoru has the best disguise because he's wearing a mask, but that still isn't saying much. Despite that, I get that it's supposed to be one of those things you aren't really supposed to question. I've gotten used to it by now, though. I also think it's kind of funny how the Guardians will take about 40 seconds to glamorously transform in the time of crisis. Lastly, in battle, once Usagi throws her tiara/boomerang, the villain is defeated in a single shot. Some monsters look quite terrifying but the tiara always does the trick; the monsters, most of the time, don't even dodge it. Because of this I don't think any of the monsters so far were really that competent or a serious threat and I really hope this changes eventually.
So far my favorite character has to be Nephrite. I didn't expect his relationship with Naru to blossom like that.
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I also used to think as a kid "why doesn't someone kick them when they're in their 4 minute long transforming sequence" but for all you know.. their transformation sequences actually make their enemies stand there transfixed in absolute horror, and they lose all will to fight back.
Even better.. maybe the sailor scouts actually absorb their enemies' energy during their transformations.. and the tiara is just a weak finisher move o.o