LOL ooooooook buddy ooook, except that admiral got hired by the circonscription, and wtf do you mean nothing points towards ace being weakened??? He was freakin covered in bruises wtf
That never stopped anyone else…
LOL ooooooook buddy ooook, except that admiral got hired by the circonscription, and wtf do you mean nothing points towards ace being weakened??? He was freakin covered in bruises wtf
That never stopped anyone else…
By that logic, all of the Admirals also had two more years to get stronger.
Also, when Ace was alive, Busoshoku wasn't a visible skill in the manga.
And nothing points towards Ace being that weakened by the restrains… especialy his clash with Aokiji.
Your not going to get stronger at age 50 when your at top already even in the OP world .
Your not going to get stronger at age 50 when your at top already even in the OP world .
Why not?
And if twenty year old can match your strenght, what kind of a top is that?
i agree that fujitora has been doing nothing so far. mostly talking, watching… other admirals would have done their job
Low blow
Why not?
And if twenty year old can match your strenght, what kind of a top is that?
It's call the natural order and OP does follow it , you notice more than once characters that super strong talk about getting weaker as they get older .
When your at the top the only way left is down .
It's call the natural order and OP does follow it , you notice more than once characters that super strong talk about getting weaker as they get older .
When your at the top the only way left is down .
It's funny, how the natural order of things is followed when you guys want it…
Also, how do you figure that let's say Kizaru is on top of his strength and can only go downwards from here?
It's funny, how the natural order of things is followed when you guys want it…
Also, how do you figure that let's say Kizaru is on top of his strength and can only go downwards from here?
Because he has been fighting for over 30 plus years maybe more with strongest pirates in the world
He has also master his DF and Haki by now the dude is 58 , it's also the norm in shonen and it has happen to other characters in OP.
Because he has been fighting for over 30 plus years maybe more with strongest pirates in the world .
He has also master his DF and Haki by now the dude is 58 , it's also the norm in shonen .
And yet you people argue that Sabo, who posseses only a third of his age, is on the same level.
So, what is the logic behind it?
And yet you people argue that Sabo, who posseses only a third of his age, is on the same level.
So, what is the logic behind it?
Your just trying to troll me aren't you ?
Because there is no way someone can be this crazy lol .
Not really unless you only remember the war .
oda has shown admirals only a couple of times war aside. kizaru was at sabaodi but he kicked some rookies ass. fujitora is on dressrosa gambling, watching the corrida colosseum, chatting with marines-doflamingo, letting law-strawhats escape, eating, talking a lot. so he has been shown a lot but has done almost nothing, and i find that annoying since he's an admiral sent to deal with law and strawhats.
Your just trying to troll me aren't you .
No, that is a serious question.
It takes decades to reach the pinnacle of strenght, for everyone… except Sabo.
Either his top is above even Gold Roger, or him being on the level of Admirals, who all lived three times his live, is unlogical.
Unless you have another explanation?
And please, no "Sabo is just that strong"
Because he has been fighting for over 30 plus years maybe more with strongest pirates in the world
He has also master his DF and Haki by now the dude is 58 , it's also the norm in shonen and it has happen to other characters in OP.
So what if Kizaru is 58? By OP standards, he still has another decade to be a monster. Whitebeard was in his 70s before his death and he was still a monster among monsters.
It was politics (previous pirate age ending with deaths of Whitebeard & New Age starting, Garp retired after Ace's death) then thier old age that decided the retirement.
Heck, Kizaru can still be a monster for just 1 to 3 years more and it would likely be enough to see the end of the series.
No, that is a serious question.
It takes decades to reach the pinnacle of strenght, for everyone… except Sabo.
Either his top is above even Gold Roger, or him being on the level of Admirals, who all lived three times his live, is unlogical.
Unless you have another explanation?
And please, no "Sabo is just that strong"
Did you know that in Zephyr back story( his back story is cannon, unlike the events that happen in the movies).
It says that both Borsalino and Sakazuki in their youth were already considered monsters, so it's not something new.
No, that is a serious question.
It takes decades to reach the pinnacle of strenght, for everyone… except Sabo.
Either his top is above even Gold Roger, or him being on the level of Admirals, who all lived three times his live, is unlogical.
Unless you have another explanation?
And please, no "Sabo is just that strong"
You do know how these things work in real life do you ?
Still just in case here are a few reason , have better teachers, start training from younger , have more talent , etc etc.
Plus we don't know how long these guy were monster for all we know they were monsters since sabo age .
For the marines Coby is going to be a perfect eg of this he already learning Haki and has a great teacher .
That never stopped anyone else…
Who else that was held in custody in level 6 got to fight against an admiral right after having there kairouseki hand cuffs taken off?
Right I don't remember either.
Did you know that in Zephyr back story( his back story is cannon, unlike the events that happen in the movies).
It says that both Borsalino and Sakazuki in their youth were already considered monsters, so it's not something new.
So, they also reached pinnacle of strenght at twenty and just stayed that way?
Luffy was considered monster through the entire story, but he was nowhere near at the level of admirals… and still isn't. So that is hardly something conclusive.
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Who else that was held in custody in level 6 got to fight against an admiral right after having there kairouseki hand cuffs taken off?
Right I don't remember either.
Well, Jimbe comes to mind.
Also, Crocodile.
Oh, and Marco, who was twice shot, while having kairoseki cuffs on.
So what if Kizaru is 58? By OP standards, he still has another decade to be a monster. Whitebeard was in his 70s before his death and he was still a monster among monsters.
It was politics (previous pirate age ending with deaths of Whitebeard & New Age starting, Garp retired after Ace's death) then thier old age that decided the retirement.Heck, Kizaru can still be a monster for just 1 to 3 years more and it would likely be enough to see the end of the series.
I am not saying he won't be a monster for the rest of the series or that he going into retirement .
I am saying he is not going get any stronger than he already is .
So, they also reached pinnacle of strenght at twenty and just stayed that way?
Luffy was considered monster through the entire story, but he was nowhere near at the level of admirals… and still isn't. So that is hardly something conclusive.
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Well, Jimbe comes to mind.
Also, Crocodile.
Oh, and Marco, who was twice shot, while having kairoseki cuffs on.
Jimbei didn't fight he tried running away, used one attack and then ALSO got magma fisted.
Crocodile used 1 attack to attract sakazuki. He didn't ''fight him''
Marco was not under custody, which implies btw being tortured, and tons of stuff in impel down.
Your argument is invalid.
Darth do you know by your current logic Sakazuki should be dead by now if Whitebeard didn't got weaker by old age( not to mention Marineford would be in the bottom of the ocean).
I am not saying he won't be a monster for the rest of the series or that he going into retirement .
I am saying he is not going get any stronger than he already is .
He is going to deny it one way or another, but everyone agrees to that, he's being blind on will
I really don't understand this Sabo bashing, last time I checked wasn't he 10 years old along with Ace. So before the time skip Ace was way stronger than Luffy. Also back in the days a captain/vice admiral like Smoker was a big deal, so I don't really understand why Sabo being able to fight against an admiral automatically makes him an unnecessary character over powdered character.that's like saying just because bon chan fought against Magellan,that automatically makes him stronger then Magellan. Keep in mind that Sabo could potentially get his … Kicked, so you can't call him a dud of a character.
This post is directed to Darth.
I don't agree that people over 50 can't get stronger. Just saying.
Darth do you know by your current logic Sakazuki should be dead by now if Whitebeard didn't got weaker by old age( not to mention Marineford would be in the bottom of the ocean).
And why is that, exactly?
Besides the fact that Whitebeard is the most illogical being on the face of the planer, because he gets stronger, the closer to death he is?
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I don't agree that people over 50 can't get stronger. Just saying.
Nope, you can't do that. That must be solely my opinion, because I'm evidently delusional!
And why is that, exactly?
Besides the fact that Whitebeard is the most illogical being on the face of the planer, because he gets stronger, the closer to death he is?
What are you even talking about how did he get stronger close to death ?????
I don't agree that people over 50 can't get stronger. Just saying.
Not saying they can 't brook got stronger and he is 90 but brook was not one of the strongest characters in the OP world already .
**And why is that, exactly?
Besides the fact that Whitebeard is the most illogical being on the face of the planer, because he gets stronger, the closer to death he is?**
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Wait… wat? 16 chars
What are you even talking about how did he get stronger close to death ?????
His most powerful attacks, and his only succesful blows againsts Admirals, are after he got stabbed multiple times, got a hole blown through his chest, and half of his face ripped off. Not to mention his attacks against Blackbeard.
Oh, and the fact that he can appear behind Akainu's back in seconds, even though he was shown to be sluggish the entire war.
His most powerful attacks, and his only succesful blows againsts Admirals, are after he got stabbed multiple times, got a hole blown through his chest, and half of his face ripped off. Not to mention his attacks against Blackbeard.
Oh, and the fact that he can appear behind Akainu's back in seconds, even though he was shown to be sluggish the entire war.
lol that was only 1 fight, and in almost every single fight in the series, people start off with basic attacks and it gets more heated more the fight goes. Are you running out of ideas darth? This one is particularly bad.
lol that was only 1 fight, and in almost every single fight in the series, people start off with basic attacks and it gets more heated more the fight goes. Are you running out of ideas darth? This one is particularly bad.
Oh, please. According to you guys, every idea that doesn't fit your perfect image of One Piece is bad. You are just as much delusional fanboys as I am, or more.
And now you are basicaly saying that Whitebeard hold back in his every battle against Admirals… even though that led to him being wounded. Multiple times.
At least Luffy had an excuse for not using gear second...
Hm, that's the "wounded tiger" trope, no? At least I got the impression that witnessing the death of Ace triggered some kind of uber-mode in Whitebeard, basically showing us how he would have performed in his prime.
His most powerful attacks, and his only succesful blows againsts Admirals, are after he got stabbed multiple times, got a hole blown through his chest, and half of his face ripped off. Not to mention his attacks against Blackbeard.
Oh, and the fact that he can appear behind Akainu's back in seconds, even though he was shown to be sluggish the entire war.
Hell that's even in every freaking shonen, are you serious???
Hm, that's the "wounded tiger" trope, no? At least I got the impression that witnessing the death of Ace triggered some kind of uber-mode in Whitebeard, basically showing us how he would have performed in his prime.
Well, that was my impression as well…
Only I have hundreds of people arguing that it wasn't his prime, and that was like him at his weakest. Which really doesn't make a bloody ounce of sense...
Anyway, I think we should stop discussing the war again... I have no idea how it always comes back to it anyway.
EDIT will do this in another post .
Oh, please. According to you guys, every idea that doesn't fit your perfect image of One Piece is bad. You are just as much delusional fanboys as I am, or more.
And now you are basicaly saying that Whitebeard hold back in his every battle against Admirals… even though that led to him being wounded. Multiple times.
At least Luffy had an excuse for not using gear second…
It's not that he really held back like you see it, it's just that we had never seen whitebeard fight, and oda wanted to show him progressively , like every fights in mangas, or 90% of the fights (just saying cause you'll use that as a counter if I don't specify). That and what Jabra just said.
No, that is a serious question.
It takes decades to reach the pinnacle of strenght, for everyone… except Sabo.
Either his top is above even Gold Roger, or him being on the level of Admirals, who all lived three times his live, is unlogical.
Unless you have another explanation?
And please, no "Sabo is just that strong"
Wasn't Kuzan a VA at age 27? And he was already strong enough to kill another VA too.
Wasn't Kuzan a VA at age 27? And he was already strong enough to kill another VA too.
That other VA wasn't only a VA, he was a GIANT VA. Jobfactor + 10.
Wasn't Kuzan a VA at age 27? And he was already strong enough to kill another VA too.
And didn't we established that VA's are useless, and Giants VA's doubly so?
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Not to mention... A VA. Not an Admiral.
That other VA wasn't only a VA, he was a GIANT VA. Jobfactor + 10.
But he was also a D. that has to give some positive points, right?:ninja:
But he was also a D. that has to give some positive points, right?:ninja:
Well, almost all of the D's are dead…
But he was also a D. that has to give some positive points, right?:ninja:
Positive points as in increasing the jobfactor? Yeah, absolutely.
Positive points as in increasing the jobfactor? Yeah, absolutely.
Poor guys, unless they also have Monkey in their name, having a D. in their name is a death sentence.
Well, that was my impression as well…
Only I have hundreds of people arguing that it wasn't his prime, and that was like him at his weakest. Which really doesn't make a bloody ounce of sense...
Anyway, I think we should stop discussing the war again... I have no idea how it always comes back to it anyway.
Your post make no sense or the logic you going by that is why i say your trolling people .
He was at his weakest how does it not make sense , you do know hole Akainu put in WB was after he had a heart attack.
Do you think when WB was in his prime he would gotten a heart attack allowing someone to put a hole in his chest .
Positive points as in increasing the jobfactor? Yeah, absolutely.
He die so robin can live a so at least a VA was good for something lol
Your post make no sense or the logic you going by that is why i say your trolling people .
He was at his weakesthow does it not make sense , you do know hole Akainu put in WB was after he had a heart attack.
Do you think when WB was in his prime he would gotten a heart attack allowing someone to put a hole in his chest .
Oh please. Nobody is using logic around those and I should know, I studied the bloody thing.
Or do you want me to create equations to prove it?
Anyway, it doesn't make sense then that he would be able to attack more effectively after being wounded in all those creative ways then afterwards… unless Shonen laws would allow him to pass by those limitations.
I want the equations, and yes shonen breaks the fabric of time and space.
Also, two things:
A) How did you guys came into conclusion that Fujitora was a unimportant to this arc, when he has the second number of appearences out of all antagonist in the arc? The only one to appear more often is Doffy. And the difference is not that big, honestly. I checked. And counted.
B) Something that haven't entered the discussion yet: Fujitora's comment about Birdcage being smaller… what if Birdcage is getting smaller by the minute, cutting stuff in the way? And the hunt for the star people is only a means to distract from that?
How can he see the birdcage getting smaller?:ninja:
I think it's a bad translation. It can't cut the factory after all..unless…
I don't see the big deal about Sabo's age in relation to his power.
We know Luffy will reach that same level in an even younger age.
I don't see the big deal about Sabo's age in relation to his power.
We know Luffy will reach that same level in an even younger age.
Assuming he didn't already reach it.
Assuming he didn't already reach it.
Lol your gonna bring up the god damn hells out here man
We know Luffy will reach that same level in an even younger age.
Oh my god… this is such wonderful example.
So, let me point to you all logical errors you've made in this very short sentence.
"We" is a big quantifier. And I mean really big. I can mean anything from "We as a human species", "We as One Piece readers", "We as participants of this forum", "We as participants of this thread" or "We as participants of this discussion". You should be more precise in your wording, because usualy in those cases the largest group sharing the subject is assumed. In this case, it would be One Piece readers. And, if any one among said group of One Piece readers doesn't share your opinion, then that sentence as a whole is logicaly untrue. That is the first point.
Next. "Luffy will reach that same level in an even younger age". First.
You cannot logicaly prove that Luffy will reach the same level, because: A) You do not posses knowledge of the future, nor do you have acces to Oda's notes, or his thoughts, therefore you are unable to undeniably prove that Luffy will reach that level in the future B) You posses no clear, measurable information about level of both Sabo and Luffy. That statement is an absolute, and as such it requires a unrefutable proof. You would need to change "will" to "may", for this statement to be even considered. As well as drop the whole level thing. Level is measurable, but we have no ways to measure it. If you cannot give us solid data, we cannot consider that statement true on logical level.
Second, neither do you posses knowledge if that theoretical event will happen and if it happens, neither do you know when. Unless, again, you can provide unrefutable proof of this event being planned in advance, you cannot make absolute statement like that. And even if you possesed said proof, that statement is still unlogical, because you cannot guarantee the artist, in this case Oda, won't change his mind, and therefore make your statement logicaly untrue again.
And that was your lesson for today kids. Do not use words like "logic" lightly. None of you, including me, is using logical arguments here, so leave it alone, will ya?