Shichibukai Discussion Thread

RobZilla

I see. It doesn't change the outcome though.

Also, if looking away for a second is consider distraction now, I suppose that Luffy's fight with Lucci wasn't a clear win for you either?

Jozu was distracted by his captain coughing up blood in the middle of a major battle after having taken some pretty major injuries funnily enough. He didn't look away for a split second and get frozen.

You couldn't really get more different situations than Kuzan/Jozu and Luffy/Lucci.

Good effort at taking a tenuous similarity and trying to make a point with it though.

ZoroXTashigi

@Russbuspower:

.Also, remember thay Mihawk chose to stop sparring with Shanks because Shanks lost his arm. I can't imagine Shanks getting stonger or Mihawk getting weaker since then.

That is not sparring but duel.
You're wrong, Shank is definitely getting stronger, because Shank has CoC, the CoC in geting strongger when the owner get strongger. CoC Shank now is the greatest in the word.

Shank CoC now >> 12 years ago
Shank strength now > strength 12 years ago

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@Nightwing:

But, I think the real question here is why could Dolfamingo break out of Kuzan's ice but Jozu couldn't?

The answer is Doffy > Jozu and Doffy has CoC …

Thebomer93

So will the WG be looking to replace Law now he's is no longer a Shichibukai.

RobZilla

@kuma:

So will the WG be looking to replace Law now he is no longer a Shichibukai.

Why would they not?

ZoroXTashigi

@kuma:

So will the WG be looking to replace Law now he is no longer a Shichibukai.

WG will replace Law and Doflamingo, but I have no idea who will replace them. mmmm…....Maybe Wapol and Enel.

Shadowgreed

@kuma:

So will the WG be looking to replace Law now he is no longer a Shichibukai.

I dont think so since after all this is done the balance will be so overthrown that the whole world will shake.

I've never been happy about Kuma's explanation.

RobZilla

@Shadowgreed:

I dont think so since after all this is done the balance will be so overthrown that the whole world will shake.

I've never been happy about Kuma's explanation.

After Dressrosa is done? They'll have at most lost 2 Shichibukais if they decide to get rid of Doflamingo.

The exact same situation they had after Marineford with the departure of Teach and Jinbei. They filled those gaps fine so I can't see why they wouldn't be able to now.

Medical Orbit

I wonder if the WG would ever consider allowing an Emperor to become a Shichibukai.

EX: someone is evicted from the Shichibukai, one of the Emperors somehow contacts them and asks to join. Would the WG accept?
DISCLAIMER: I know that something like this would probably never happen. I just wonder what the WG would do in the hypothetical instance it did.

ZoroXTashigi

@Medical:

I wonder if the WG would ever consider allowing an Emperor to become a Shichibukai.

EX: someone is evicted from the Shichibukai, one of the Emperors somehow contacts them and asks to join. Would the WG accept?
DISCLAIMER: I know that something like this would probably never happen. I just wonder what the WG would do in the hypothetical instance it did.

That's never ever happen because Emperors position are >> Shichibukai position …

Thebomer93

@Medical:

I wonder if the WG would ever consider allowing an Emperor to become a Shichibukai.

EX: someone is evicted from the Shichibukai, one of the Emperors somehow contacts them and asks to join. Would the WG accept?
DISCLAIMER: I know that something like this would probably never happen. I just wonder what the WG would do in the hypothetical instance it did.

Not sure why they would want to become a shichibukai in the first place it's a bit of a downgrade from a Yonkou title.

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@RobZilla:

Why would they not?

I don't know they've had how many in the last 2 years if they carry on changing personnel isn't the title in danger of becoming meaningless.

Medical Orbit

Yes, I know I'm grasping at straws here. I'm just curious about how the WG would react.

ZoroXTashigi

@Medical:

Yes, I know I'm grasping at straws here. I'm just curious about how the WG would react.

If that happen WG will accept with pleasure. And WG start to destroy all pirate in the world, because there are no balance anymore.

Marine + Shichibukai + 1 Yonko > 3 Yonko and Revolusi Army, because 3 Yonko and Revolusi Army not team up. If they work together…I think 2 Yonko + Rev Army > Marine + Shichibukai + 1 Yonko .. much less 3 Yonko + Rev Army.

RobZilla

@kuma:

Not sure why they would want to become a shichibukai in the first place it's a bit of a downgrade from a Yonkou title.

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I don't know they've had how many in the last 2 years if they carry on changing personnel isn't the title in danger of becoming meaningless.

The Shichibukai is still 1 of the 3 great powers.

The WG will keep replacing them until the status quo changes entirely.

Russbuspower

@Shadowgreed:

Dellinger looked like 10 years old, so is pretty clear that he wasn't fighting pirates alone when no even Ace was doing it, Rob Lucci was like 13 or so when he did what he did, so he's was strong enough to do what he did. Doflamingo is a cocky bastard and knowing Bellamy's aim I'm pretty sure that he would have win in a battle against Dellinger, those type of guys are always training in secret in order to show what they can do to their boss also Dellinger wasn't able to do shit against Bartolomeo barrier while Bellamy managed to grab Bartolomeo.

To me is pretty clear that Bellamy had a fighting chance against Dellinger, If he wasn't all gloomy and shit.

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That Jozu would have lost to all the Shishibukais? explain yourself

He is just brute force, easily beaten by strong haki from Hancock, gets destroyed by Kuma's DF, Mihawk squashes, BB obvy wins, Jinbe would probably be closest match but still win seeing as Jinbe was even with Ace who was 2nd division whereas Jozu is 3rd. Not sure but I'm assuming the unknown is super strong and could probably beat him too.

Concerning Dellinger, looks can be deceiving.

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@ZoroXTashigi:

That is not sparring but duel.
You're wrong, Shank is definitely getting stronger, because Shank has CoC, the CoC in geting strongger when the owner get strongger. CoC Shank now is the greatest in the word.

Shank CoC now >> 12 years ago
Shank strength now > strength 12 years ago

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The answer is Doffy > Jozu and Doffy has CoC ...

Yeah that makes total sense… As you get older you get stronger, exactly why WB and Gol got sick, and exactly why Rayleigh had his hands full with the weakest admiral. Good job man, great facts.

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@ZoroXTashigi:

That is not sparring but duel.
You're wrong, Shank is definitely getting stronger, because Shank has CoC, the CoC in geting strongger when the owner get strongger. CoC Shank now is the greatest in the word.

Shank CoC now >> 12 years ago
Shank strength now > strength 12 years ago

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The answer is Doffy > Jozu and Doffy has CoC ...

Do you know what CoC is…?

ZoroXTashigi

If all current Shicibukai choose to fight WG, how much do you think they will get the bounty? My list:
1. Mihawk …............... = 800,000,000 (WSS + possibly join Shank crew)
2. Kuma ..................... = 650,000,000 (possibly steal Marine data + members Rev. Army)
4. Doflaminggo ............ = 650,000,000 (Dresrossa King + underworld broker + related with Kaido)
3. 7th ....................... = 600,000,000 (Admiral Level)
5. Hancock ................ = 550,000,000 (Amazon Queen)
6. Law ...................... = 500,000,000 (Supernova + Strawhat Alliance)
7. Buggy ................... = 400,000,000 (former Gol D. Roger crew + possibly Alliace with Shank Pirate)
...

Thebomer93

@ZoroXTashigi:

If all current Shicibukai choose to fight WG, how much do you think they will get the bounty? My list:
1. Mihawk …............... = 750,000,000 (WSS)
2. Kuma ..................... = 650,000,000 (possibly steal Marine data + members Rev. Army)
3. 7th ....................... = 600,000,000 (Top tier)
4. Doflaminggo ............ = 600,000,000 (Dresrossa king + underworld broker)
5. Hancock ................ = 550,000,000 (Amazon Queen)
6. Law ...................... = 500,000,000 (Super Rookie + Strawhat Alliance)
7. Buggy ................... = 400,000,000 (former Gol D. Roger crew and have 1000 followers)
...

DD bounty should be the highest with all the stuff he's been getting up to.

wolfwood

Jozu has bulk, speed, an impenetrable defense and haki in addition to his strength.

Thebomer93

And experience to boost, you have to feel a little bit sorry for Jozu before he went down both WB and Ace were still alive, it must have been heartbroken when he came around t find out that both WB and Ace had died and WB fruit had been stolen by of their most hated enemy.

ZoroXTashigi

@Russbuspower:

Yeah that makes total sense… As you get older you get stronger, exactly why WB and Gol got sick, and exactly why Rayleigh had his hands full with the weakest admiral. Good job man, great facts.

Are you dumb?! shank not old, 12 years ago Shank was too young…. (Marineford: WB old = 72 years old, his prime about 22 years ago = 50 years old) .... I think they will get prime between 30 and 50 years old.

@Russbuspower:

Do you know what CoC is…?

Colour of the Conquering or Haōshoku Haki

12 years ago CoC Shank could not even make a sea monster fainted. Are you've read SBS? "If Shank was on Fishman Island and replace Luffy, then he could make all Members Hody pirate fainted (100,000 persons), including Hody himself", that fact he is getting stronger than 12 years ago.

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@kuma:

DD bounty should be the highest with all the stuff he's been getting up to.

yes i agree that his bounty must higher on the list, but his bounty will never higher than Mihawk.

Admiral Kuzan

@Palpitoad93:

Not going to comment on 7 because we haven't seen shit from him yet.

1. Mihawk, but not by as much as people think. Just because he's the best swordsman in the world doesn't make him Yonkou level, as he hasn't shown anything like Conquerer's Haki. And just because they were rivals at one point doesn't mean they're equal in power now, it could be a Luffy/Zoro relation, or worse, a Kaidou/Moria relation. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if 7 turned out to be stronger.
2. Doflamingo, he was able to stop Diamond Jozu, someone that's clearly stronger than many Shichibukai, and held his own against an Admiral for a while.
3. Kuma, effortlessly fodderized the entire Strawhats while holding back and secretly helping them out.
4. Law, trashed two Vice Admirals and managed to survive a pretty long time against an Admiral and one of the strongest Shichibukai
5. Hancock, just didn't seem all that strong with what she's shown so far
6. Buggy, the saviour

Jimbe would probably slot in behind Law, as Law and Luffy are pretty much equals and judging solely by Fishman Island Feats, Luffy has surpassed Jimbe.
Croc would probably slot in behind Hancock, just wasn't that strong compared to the other Shichibukai
Moria would probably slot in barely ahead of Buggy, he was pathetic

When did doflamingo hold his own against an admiral? Are you taking about when he sliced fujitora's meteor apart?

And IMO, Kuma and Doflamingo are both AT LEAST admiral level, but that's just my opinion.

And I agree totally about mihawk. His strength is incredibly overrated.

Thebomer93

If the new shichibukai is a new character and I think he is, he'll need to show case his strength to us to readers who do you guys think would make a good sacrificial lamb for him, I say Smoker he's basically a jobber now anyway.

Shadowgreed

@RobZilla:

After Dressrosa is done? They'll have at most lost 2 Shichibukais if they decide to get rid of Doflamingo.

The exact same situation they had after Marineford with the departure of Teach and Jinbei. They filled those gaps fine so I can't see why they wouldn't be able to now.

I'm talking about in the large scale. they can fill the positions but nothing will change since as law mentioned things will move fast and by the time the WG fill those voids some else will be down, so there no point in doing it also I'm pretty sure that the Yonkou positions won't be filled either.

Two years ago was totally different since nobody was after the Yonkous but rather after Whitebeard territory but now you have two groups that won't stop their assaults at any cost and will most likely cause a chain reaction.

Thebomer93

Plus the marines under Akainu don't look like they just want to simply maintain the balance.

Shadowgreed

@Russbuspower:

He is just brute force, easily beaten by strong haki from Hancock, gets destroyed by Kuma's DF, Mihawk squashes, BB obvy wins, Jinbe would probably be closest match but still win seeing as Jinbe was even with Ace who was 2nd division whereas Jozu is 3rd. Not sure but I'm assuming the unknown is super strong and could probably beat him too.

Concerning Dellinger, looks can be deceiving.

How do you know he's just brute force? He showed speed and a great Haki hence why Oda make him go down by distraction. Hancock is strong but we don't know If she's Jozu strong, I'm pretty sure Jozu can counter Kuma's fruit, Mihawk can't cut him (being the strongest swordsman doesn't mean he can diamond), I'm pretty sure Jimbi would have lost that battle two years ago and those number doesn't mean anything Ace got number two because it was the open position no because he was below Marco strength wise.

Admiral Kuzan

Okay so I decided to take the original list I posted, edit it slightly, and throw in every One Piece character who has ever held the title of Warlord(just to make it more interesting). The only Warlord I won’t include is the current unknown 7th Warlord, because well, we have never seen him. My list is also only based on the Pirates themselves, not their crews.
1. Blackbeard: Is now a Yonko
Has 2 devil fruits, 1 of them is the most powerful Paramecia class fruit in the world
Defeated firefist ace with one of his devil fruits
Held his own against Whitebeard with 1 devil fruit(kind of)
Fights Sengoku equally(Though I'm not sure he does this in the manga, I think it's anime only)

2. Mihawk:
Former rival of a Yonko
Strongest swordsman in the world

3. Doflamingo:
Is able to manipulate(at least) 2 vice admirals at once (does this at the Shichibukai meeting)
Stopped Diamond Jozu in his tracks with no apparent difficulty
Is implied that if he weren't a shichibukai, the admirals would be sent after him
Is able to take down a Vice Admiral with almost no effort
Conqueror's Haki
Effortlessly defeats Moria (though he probably just sat back and watched the Pacifistas do this)

4. Kuma:
Wreaked havoc on Thriller Bark in one attack
Stopped Oars Jr. dead in his tracks
Can move at insanely fast speeds
Can block any attack
Can shoot lasers

5. Crocodile: Fairly underrated for a Warlord
He technically defeated Luffy 3 times before Luffy defeated him (Stabbed him the first time, dehydrated him the second time, poisoned him the third time)
Can drain the water from anything
Has extensive knowledge and skill with his logia class fruit
Takes a shoulder blow from Diamond Jozu and continues fighting
His attacks can be devastating
Fought Whitebeard in the past
Kept in Level 6 of Impel Down

6. Jinbe: High bounty after the timeskip
Kept on level 6 of Impel Down
Immobilizes Moria with one hit
Black Belt in fishman Karate
Blocks an attack from Admiral Akainu
Is able to stop Gear 2 Luffy without much effort(pre-timeskip)

7. Law:
Supernova with a very high bounty
It is implied (sort of) that he held his own against Fujitora and Doflamingo at the same time
Is able to hold his own against Vice Admirals
Somewhat able to hold his own against Doflamingo

8. Hancock:
Can turn people (and things) to stone
Very strong at hand to hand combat
Can immobilize several people at once with her beauty

9. Moria: Can empower himself with his shadows
Relies mostly on his Zombies to fight for him
Uses his devil fruit to keep Luffy at bay while he relaxes

**10.**Buggy:
Actually have a small fight with Mihawk during the Whitebeard war, and does fairly well for his strength level
Can fly (under most circumstances)

So here it is, I don't think I missed anyone, but let me know what you guys think!

RobZilla

@Shadowgreed:

I'm talking about in the large scale. they can fill the positions but nothing will change since as law mentioned things will move fast and by the time the WG fill those voids some else will be down, so there no point in doing it also I'm pretty sure that the Yonkou positions won't be filled either.

Two years ago was totally different since nobody was after the Yonkous but rather after Whitebeard territory but now you have two groups that won't stop their assaults at any cost and will most likely cause a chain reaction.

You saw the way The Gorosei reacted to Crocodile's defeat, their absolute number one goal is to try and maintain the balance between the 3 powers, above all else.

They'll keep on plugging the holes until the entire dam breaks.

Tbh The Shichibukai are probably the safest of the 3 powers left as we go forward. The yonko are being targeted by supernovas and the WG, a conflict that will most likely have many top ranking marines being taken down, as well as the yonko.

If anything, the Shichibukai will most likely be the least changing great power of the 3. It won't be their destruction that shakes the world.

Shadowgreed

@RobZilla:

You saw the way The Gorosei reacted to Crocodile's defeat, their absolute number one goal is to try and maintain the balance between the 3 powers, above all else.

They'll keep on plugging the holes until the entire dam breaks.

Tbh The Shichibukai are probably the safest of the 3 powers left as we go forward. The yonko are being targeted by supernovas and the WG, a conflict that will most likely have many top ranking marines being taken down, as well as the yonko.

If anything, the Shichibukai will most likely be the least changing great power of the 3. It won't be their destruction that shakes the world.

You do realize that I'm not generalizing the Shishibukais but the balance in the world hence why I said "when they filled the positions some else will be down".

RobZilla

@Shadowgreed:

You do realize that I'm not generalizing the Shishibukais but the balance in the world hence why I said "when they filled the positions some else will be down".

Ah I thought you meant that as in another shichibukai will be down, meaning they'll be searching for yet another replacement immediately.

Communication breakdown.

ZoroXTashigi

@Admiral:

And I agree totally about mihawk. His strength is incredibly overrated.

I would say otherwise, as a WSS and Zoro final goals, Mihawk must be strong as hell and able to beat an admiral in the duel. (not Include prime Garp, prime Garp > other Admiral). This is I placed Mihawk "one line" separated with very small margin:

1. Gol D. Roger, Wite Beard, Dragon, Garp (98 -100…Luffy EOS)
6. Shank, BB, Kaido, Big Mom (94 - 96)
9. Mihawk, Akainu (90 - 92...Zoro EOS)
11. other Admiral (85-87...Sanji EOS)
... DD (80)

Nightwing

@Admiral:

Okay so I decided to take the original list I posted, edit it slightly, and throw in every One Piece character who has ever held the title of Warlord(just to make it more interesting). The only Warlord I won’t include is the current unknown 7th Warlord, because well, we have never seen him. My list is also only based on the Pirates themselves, not their crews.
1. Blackbeard: Is now a Yonko
Has 2 devil fruits, 1 of them is the most powerful Paramecia class fruit in the world
Defeated firefist ace with one of his devil fruits
Held his own against Whitebeard with 1 devil fruit(kind of)
Fights Sengoku equally(Though I'm not sure he does this in the manga, I think it's anime only)

2. Mihawk:
Former rival of a Yonko
Strongest swordsman in the world

3. Doflamingo:
Is able to manipulate(at least) 2 vice admirals at once (does this at the Shichibukai meeting)
Stopped Diamond Jozu in his tracks with no apparent difficulty
Is implied that if he weren't a shichibukai, the admirals would be sent after him
Is able to take down a Vice Admiral with almost no effort
Conqueror's Haki
Effortlessly defeats Moria (though he probably just sat back and watched the Pacifistas do this)

4. Kuma:
Wreaked havoc on Thriller Bark in one attack
Stopped Oars Jr. dead in his tracks
Can move at insanely fast speeds
Can block any attack
Can shoot lasers

5. Crocodile: Fairly underrated for a Warlord
He technically defeated Luffy 3 times before Luffy defeated him (Stabbed him the first time, dehydrated him the second time, poisoned him the third time)
Can drain the water from anything
Has extensive knowledge and skill with his logia class fruit
Takes a shoulder blow from Diamond Jozu and continues fighting
His attacks can be devastating
Fought Whitebeard in the past
Kept in Level 6 of Impel Down

6. Jinbe: High bounty after the timeskip
Kept on level 6 of Impel Down
Immobilizes Moria with one hit
Black Belt in fishman Karate
Blocks an attack from Admiral Akainu
Is able to stop Gear 2 Luffy without much effort(pre-timeskip)

7. Law:
Supernova with a very high bounty
It is implied (sort of) that he held his own against Fujitora and Doflamingo at the same time
Is able to hold his own against Vice Admirals
Somewhat able to hold his own against Doflamingo

8. Hancock:
Can turn people (and things) to stone
Very strong at hand to hand combat
Can immobilize several people at once with her beauty

9. Moria: Can empower himself with his shadows
Relies mostly on his Zombies to fight for him
Uses his devil fruit to keep Luffy at bay while he relaxes

**10.**Buggy:
Actually have a small fight with Mihawk during the Whitebeard war, and does fairly well for his strength level
Can fly (under most circumstances)

So here it is, I don't think I missed anyone, but let me know what you guys think!

I don't know how I feel about Croc being above Jinbe. I agree that Croc is pretty underrated. He's shown that he's pretty strong. But I don't think he's stronger than Jinbe. Rest of the list looks good though

ZoroXTashigi

@Admiral:

Okay so I decided to take the original list I posted, edit it slightly, and throw in every One Piece character who has ever held the title of Warlord(just to make it more interesting). The only Warlord I won’t include is the current unknown 7th Warlord, because well, we have never seen him. My list is also only based on the Pirates themselves, not their crews.
1. Blackbeard: Is now a Yonko
Has 2 devil fruits, 1 of them is the most powerful Paramecia class fruit in the world
Defeated firefist ace with one of his devil fruits
Held his own against Whitebeard with 1 devil fruit(kind of)
Fights Sengoku equally(Though I'm not sure he does this in the manga, I think it's anime only)

2. Mihawk:
Former rival of a Yonko
Strongest swordsman in the world

3. Doflamingo:
Is able to manipulate(at least) 2 vice admirals at once (does this at the Shichibukai meeting)
Stopped Diamond Jozu in his tracks with no apparent difficulty
Is implied that if he weren't a shichibukai, the admirals would be sent after him
Is able to take down a Vice Admiral with almost no effort
Conqueror's Haki
Effortlessly defeats Moria (though he probably just sat back and watched the Pacifistas do this)

4. Kuma:
Wreaked havoc on Thriller Bark in one attack
Stopped Oars Jr. dead in his tracks
Can move at insanely fast speeds
Can block any attack
Can shoot lasers

5. Crocodile: Fairly underrated for a Warlord
He technically defeated Luffy 3 times before Luffy defeated him (Stabbed him the first time, dehydrated him the second time, poisoned him the third time)
Can drain the water from anything
Has extensive knowledge and skill with his logia class fruit
Takes a shoulder blow from Diamond Jozu and continues fighting
His attacks can be devastating
Fought Whitebeard in the past
Kept in Level 6 of Impel Down

6. Jinbe: High bounty after the timeskip
Kept on level 6 of Impel Down
Immobilizes Moria with one hit
Black Belt in fishman Karate
Blocks an attack from Admiral Akainu
Is able to stop Gear 2 Luffy without much effort(pre-timeskip)

7. Law:
Supernova with a very high bounty
It is implied (sort of) that he held his own against Fujitora and Doflamingo at the same time
Is able to hold his own against Vice Admirals
Somewhat able to hold his own against Doflamingo

8. Hancock:
Can turn people (and things) to stone
Very strong at hand to hand combat
Can immobilize several people at once with her beauty

9. Moria: Can empower himself with his shadows
Relies mostly on his Zombies to fight for him
Uses his devil fruit to keep Luffy at bay while he relaxes

**10.**Buggy:
Actually have a small fight with Mihawk during the Whitebeard war, and does fairly well for his strength level
Can fly (under most circumstances)

So here it is, I don't think I missed anyone, but let me know what you guys think!

You Underate Hancock (she has CoC, this CoC is very important (rare) if we talk about One Piece .. power = haki)

Thebomer93

@Admiral:

Okay so I decided to take the original list I posted, edit it slightly, and throw in every One Piece character who has ever held the title of Warlord(just to make it more interesting). The only Warlord I won’t include is the current unknown 7th Warlord, because well, we have never seen him. My list is also only based on the Pirates themselves, not their crews.
1. Blackbeard: Is now a Yonko
Has 2 devil fruits, 1 of them is the most powerful Paramecia class fruit in the world
Defeated firefist ace with one of his devil fruits
Held his own against Whitebeard with 1 devil fruit(kind of)
Fights Sengoku equally(Though I'm not sure he does this in the manga, I think it's anime only)

2. Mihawk:
Former rival of a Yonko
Strongest swordsman in the world

3. Doflamingo:
Is able to manipulate(at least) 2 vice admirals at once (does this at the Shichibukai meeting)
Stopped Diamond Jozu in his tracks with no apparent difficulty
Is implied that if he weren't a shichibukai, the admirals would be sent after him
Is able to take down a Vice Admiral with almost no effort
Conqueror's Haki
Effortlessly defeats Moria (though he probably just sat back and watched the Pacifistas do this)

4. Kuma:
Wreaked havoc on Thriller Bark in one attack
Stopped Oars Jr. dead in his tracks
Can move at insanely fast speeds
Can block any attack
Can shoot lasers

5. Crocodile: Fairly underrated for a Warlord
He technically defeated Luffy 3 times before Luffy defeated him (Stabbed him the first time, dehydrated him the second time, poisoned him the third time)
Can drain the water from anything
Has extensive knowledge and skill with his logia class fruit
Takes a shoulder blow from Diamond Jozu and continues fighting
His attacks can be devastating
Fought Whitebeard in the past
Kept in Level 6 of Impel Down

6. Jinbe: High bounty after the timeskip
Kept on level 6 of Impel Down
Immobilizes Moria with one hit
Black Belt in fishman Karate
Blocks an attack from Admiral Akainu
Is able to stop Gear 2 Luffy without much effort(pre-timeskip)

7. Law:
Supernova with a very high bounty
It is implied (sort of) that he held his own against Fujitora and Doflamingo at the same time
Is able to hold his own against Vice Admirals
Somewhat able to hold his own against Doflamingo

8. Hancock:
Can turn people (and things) to stone
Very strong at hand to hand combat
Can immobilize several people at once with her beauty

9. Moria: Can empower himself with his shadows
Relies mostly on his Zombies to fight for him
Uses his devil fruit to keep Luffy at bay while he relaxes

**10.**Buggy:
Actually have a small fight with Mihawk during the Whitebeard war, and does fairly well for his strength level
Can fly (under most circumstances)

So here it is, I don't think I missed anyone, but let me know what you guys think!

You have underrated Moriah a little bit.

Admiral Kuzan

@ZoroXTashigi:

I would say otherwise, as a WSS and Zoro final goals, Mihawk must be strong as hell and able to beat an admiral in the duel. (not Include prime Garp, prime Garp > other Admiral). This is I placed Mihawk "one line" separated with very small margin:

1. Gol D. Roger, Wite Beard, Dragon, Garp (98 -100…Luffy EOS)
6. Shank, BB, Kaido, Big Mom (94 - 96)
9. Mihawk, Akainu (90 - 92...Zoro EOS)
11. other Admiral (85-87...Sanji EOS)
... DD (80)

Oh yea I agree, the only admiral I don't think Mihawk could defeat is Kizaru. But i do believe his strength is overestimated by a lot of people, and I don't believe he could defeat any of the Yonko.

@Nightwing:

I don't know how I feel about Croc being above Jinbe. I agree that Croc is pretty underrated. He's shown that he's pretty strong. But I don't think he's stronger than Jinbe. Rest of the list looks good though

When I was making the list I debated on saying that I felt that those two in particular were basically equal, but I do believe that Croc is barely stronger.

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@kuma:

You have underrated Moriah a little bit.

I suppose, but even the WG felt that he was too weak to be a Warlord, and he basically runs from Luffy for a lot of their fight.

King Cannon

@Nightwing:

I don't know how I feel about Croc being above Jinbe. I agree that Croc is pretty underrated. He's shown that he's pretty strong. But I don't think he's stronger than Jinbe. Rest of the list looks good though

@ZoroXTashigi:

You Underate Hancock (she has CoC, this CoC is very important (rare) if we talk about One Piece .. power = haki)

@kuma:

You have underrated Moriah a little bit.

And this is why power level talk is stupid.

ZoroXTashigi

@Admiral:

Oh yea I agree, the only admiral I don't think Mihawk could defeat is Kizaru. But i do believe his strength is overestimated by a lot of people, and I don't believe he could defeat any of the Yonko.

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@King:

And this is why power level talk is stupid.

This is not stupid, differences of opinion was fun…and "power level" is one of the interesting themes.

Nightwing

@Admiral:

When I was making the list I debated on saying that I felt that those two in particular were basically equal, but I do believe that Croc is barely stronger.

In terms of Jinbe joining Luffy's crew I can _kind _of see it. Still feel a little iffy though.

@King:

And this is why power level talk is stupid.

I wouldn't necessarily dub this as power level talk.__

Spam286

@Admiral:

Okay so I decided to take the original list I posted, edit it slightly, and throw in every One Piece character who has ever held the title of Warlord(just to make it more interesting). The only Warlord I won’t include is the current unknown 7th Warlord, because well, we have never seen him. My list is also only based on the Pirates themselves, not their crews.
1. Blackbeard: Is now a Yonko
Has 2 devil fruits, 1 of them is the most powerful Paramecia class fruit in the world
Defeated firefist ace with one of his devil fruits
Held his own against Whitebeard with 1 devil fruit(kind of)
Fights Sengoku equally(Though I'm not sure he does this in the manga, I think it's anime only)

2. Mihawk:
Former rival of a Yonko
Strongest swordsman in the world

3. Doflamingo:
Is able to manipulate(at least) 2 vice admirals at once (does this at the Shichibukai meeting)
Stopped Diamond Jozu in his tracks with no apparent difficulty
Is implied that if he weren't a shichibukai, the admirals would be sent after him
Is able to take down a Vice Admiral with almost no effort
Conqueror's Haki
Effortlessly defeats Moria (though he probably just sat back and watched the Pacifistas do this)

4. Kuma:
Wreaked havoc on Thriller Bark in one attack
Stopped Oars Jr. dead in his tracks
Can move at insanely fast speeds
Can block any attack
Can shoot lasers

5. Crocodile: Fairly underrated for a Warlord
He technically defeated Luffy 3 times before Luffy defeated him (Stabbed him the first time, dehydrated him the second time, poisoned him the third time)
Can drain the water from anything
Has extensive knowledge and skill with his logia class fruit
Takes a shoulder blow from Diamond Jozu and continues fighting
His attacks can be devastating
Fought Whitebeard in the past
Kept in Level 6 of Impel Down

6. Jinbe: High bounty after the timeskip
Kept on level 6 of Impel Down
Immobilizes Moria with one hit
Black Belt in fishman Karate
Blocks an attack from Admiral Akainu
Is able to stop Gear 2 Luffy without much effort(pre-timeskip)

7. Law:
Supernova with a very high bounty
It is implied (sort of) that he held his own against Fujitora and Doflamingo at the same time
Is able to hold his own against Vice Admirals
Somewhat able to hold his own against Doflamingo

8. Hancock:
Can turn people (and things) to stone
Very strong at hand to hand combat
Can immobilize several people at once with her beauty

9. Moria: Can empower himself with his shadows
Relies mostly on his Zombies to fight for him
Uses his devil fruit to keep Luffy at bay while he relaxes

**10.**Buggy:
Actually have a small fight with Mihawk during the Whitebeard war, and does fairly well for his strength level
Can fly (under most circumstances)

So here it is, I don't think I missed anyone, but let me know what you guys think!

I think you've given Hancock pretty short shrift there. We've never seen her go all out, and everything she has done in terms of actual fighting up until now has been flawless (nobody's even hit her once, I don't think). You also failed to mention that she too is capable of conqueror's haki, something you gave in Doflamingo's favour. She too is capable of holding her own against VAs (Momonga had to stab himself to avoid getting one-shotted because her fruit is pretty hax too), something you gave in Law's favour. At the very least I'd put her above Law, and there's not a lot between her and Jinbei/Crocodile.

King Cannon

@Nightwing:

I wouldn't necessarily dub this as power level talk.

The tier creator admitted it himself:

@Admiral:

Okay so I'm a little late to this thread but I figure I'll throw my own person tier for the warlords in, as far as their strength levels (post time-skip warlords only).
In order from strongest to weakest:

@ZoroXTashigi:

This is not stupid, differences of opinion was fun…and "power level" is one of the interesting themes.

The only differences of opinion I'm seeing is "Character X is underrated/overrated", with no further elaboration.

Not to mention that power levels in One Piece are very abstract thanks to the existence of weird and overpowered abilities like Hancock's.

ZoroXTashigi

@Spam286:

I think you've given Hancock pretty short shrift there. We've never seen her go all out, and everything she has done in terms of actual fighting up until now has been flawless (nobody's even hit her once, I don't think). You also failed to mention that she too is capable of conqueror's haki, something you gave in Doflamingo's favour. She too is capable of holding her own against VAs (Momonga had to stab himself to avoid getting one-shotted because her fruit is pretty hax too), something you gave in Law's favour. At the very least I'd put her above Law, and there's not a lot between her and Jinbei/Crocodile.

I second this…

1. BB (95)
2. Mihawk (90)
-. 7th (85)
3. Doffy (80)
4. Kuma (78)
5. Hancock (77)
6. Law (75)
7. Jinbei (73)
8. Croc (70)
9. Moria (68)
10. Buggy (60)

Admiral Kuzan

Okay! Since the consensus seems to be that Hancock belongs higher(and due to the fact that I totally forgot that she has Conqueror's Haki) I update the list once again! 1. Blackbeard: Is now a Yonko
Has 2 devil fruits, 1 of them is the most powerful Paramecia class fruit in the world
Defeated firefist ace with one of his devil fruits
Held his own against Whitebeard with 1 devil fruit(kind of)
Fights Sengoku equally(Though I'm not sure he does this in the manga, I think it's anime only)

2. Mihawk:
Former rival of a Yonko
Strongest swordsman in the world
Uninjured in the Whitebeard War

3. Doflamingo:
Is able to manipulate(at least) 2 vice admirals at once (does this at the Shichibukai meeting)
Stopped Diamond Jozu in his tracks with no apparent difficulty
Is implied that if he weren't a shichibukai, the admirals would be sent after him
Is able to take down a Vice Admiral with almost no effort
Conqueror's Haki
Uninjured in the Whitebeard War
Effortlessly defeats Moria (though he probably just sat back and watched the Pacifistas do this)

4. Kuma:
Wreaked havoc on Thriller Bark in one attack
Stopped Oars Jr. dead in his tracks
Can move at insanely fast speeds
Can block any attack
Can shoot lasers

Numbers 5, 6, and 7 are about equal

5. Crocodile: Fairly underrated for a Warlord
He technically defeated Luffy 3 times before Luffy defeated him (Stabbed him the first time, dehydrated him the second time, poisoned him the third time)
Can drain the water from anything
Has extensive knowledge and skill with his logia class fruit
Takes a shoulder blow from Diamond Jozu and continues fighting
His attacks can be devastating
Fought Whitebeard in the past
Kept in Level 6 of Impel Down

6. Hancock: Conqueror's Haki
Can turn people (and things) to stone
Very strong at hand to hand combat
Uninjured in the Whitebeard War
Can immobilize several people at once with her beauty
(I couldn't really justify putting her much higher, as we haven' seen her go all out)

7. Jinbe: High bounty after the timeskip
Kept on level 6 of Impel Down
Immobilizes Moria with one hit
Black Belt in fishman Karate
Blocks an attack from Admiral Akainu
Is able to stop Gear 2 Luffy without much effort(pre-timeskip) 8. Law:
Supernova with a very high bounty
It is implied (sort of) that he held his own against Fujitora and Doflamingo at the same time
Is able to hold his own against Vice Admirals
Somewhat able to hold his own against Doflamingo

9. Moria: Can empower himself with his shadows
Relies mostly on his Zombies to fight for him
Uses his devil fruit to keep Luffy at bay while he relaxes

**10.**Buggy:
Actually have a small fight with Mihawk during the Whitebeard war, and does fairly well for his strength level
Can fly (under most circumstances)

Nightwing

@King:

The tier creator admitted it himself:

Lol I didn't even see that. Just looked at the tiers. Do these kinds of talk bother you that much?

Admiral Kuzan

@King:

The tier creator admitted it himself:

It pretty much is power level talk. But so far it has only sparked harmless debate.

Spam286

@King:

And this is why power level talk is stupid.

I feel like the discussion is okay, but it gets stupid when people start treating them as definitive categories and using them as proof of what a character can and cannot do.

Nightwing

I'd say that Hancock/Croc are around the same level. Maybe Hancock having a bit of an edge with CoC. With Jinbe not too far behind. And I don't think people here like Moria too much lol

@ZoroXTashigi:

I second this…

1. BB (95)
2. Mihawk (90)
-. 7th (85)
3. Doffy (80)
4. Kuma (78)
5. Hancock (77)
6. Law (75)
7. Jinbei (73)
8. Croc (70)
9. Moria (68)
10. Buggy (60)

I don't think you should add the 7th one just yet. Something tells me that him/her not being revealed yet means they must be pretty strong if not the strongest out of the Shichibukai.

ZoroXTashigi

@Admiral:

Okay! Since the consensus seems to be that Hancock belongs higher(and due to the fact that I totally forgot that she has Conqueror's Haki) I update the list once again! 1. Blackbeard: Is now a Yonko
Has 2 devil fruits, 1 of them is the most powerful Paramecia class fruit in the world
Defeated firefist ace with one of his devil fruits
Held his own against Whitebeard with 1 devil fruit(kind of)
Fights Sengoku equally(Though I'm not sure he does this in the manga, I think it's anime only)

2. Mihawk:
Former rival of a Yonko
Strongest swordsman in the world
Uninjured in the Whitebeard War

3. Doflamingo:
Is able to manipulate(at least) 2 vice admirals at once (does this at the Shichibukai meeting)
Stopped Diamond Jozu in his tracks with no apparent difficulty
Is implied that if he weren't a shichibukai, the admirals would be sent after him
Is able to take down a Vice Admiral with almost no effort
Conqueror's Haki
Uninjured in the Whitebeard War
Effortlessly defeats Moria (though he probably just sat back and watched the Pacifistas do this)

4. Kuma:
Wreaked havoc on Thriller Bark in one attack
Stopped Oars Jr. dead in his tracks
Can move at insanely fast speeds
Can block any attack
Can shoot lasers

Numbers 5, 6, and 7 are about equal

5. Crocodile: Fairly underrated for a Warlord
He technically defeated Luffy 3 times before Luffy defeated him (Stabbed him the first time, dehydrated him the second time, poisoned him the third time)
Can drain the water from anything
Has extensive knowledge and skill with his logia class fruit
Takes a shoulder blow from Diamond Jozu and continues fighting
His attacks can be devastating
Fought Whitebeard in the past
Kept in Level 6 of Impel Down

6. Hancock: Conqueror's Haki
Can turn people (and things) to stone
Very strong at hand to hand combat
Uninjured in the Whitebeard War
Can immobilize several people at once with her beauty
(I couldn't really justify putting her much higher, as we haven' seen her go all out)

7. Jinbe: High bounty after the timeskip
Kept on level 6 of Impel Down
Immobilizes Moria with one hit
Black Belt in fishman Karate
Blocks an attack from Admiral Akainu
Is able to stop Gear 2 Luffy without much effort(pre-timeskip) 8. Law:
Supernova with a very high bounty
It is implied (sort of) that he held his own against Fujitora and Doflamingo at the same time
Is able to hold his own against Vice Admirals
Somewhat able to hold his own against Doflamingo

9. Moria: Can empower himself with his shadows
Relies mostly on his Zombies to fight for him
Uses his devil fruit to keep Luffy at bay while he relaxes

**10.**Buggy:
Actually have a small fight with Mihawk during the Whitebeard war, and does fairly well for his strength level
Can fly (under most circumstances)

I agree with you about Croc if he has "haki", but we not see he has haki pre-time skip…

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@Nightwing:

I'd say that Hancock/Croc are around the same level. Maybe Hancock having a bit of an edge with CoC. With Jinbe not too far behind. And I don't think people here like Moria too much lol

I don't think you should add the 7th one just yet. Something tells me that him/her not being revealed yet means they must be pretty strong if not the strongest out of the Shichibukai.

yeah, i agree he is pretty strong (he cut off Z arm), but it just assumption…and you se my list about Mihawk (he just below PK level and Yonkou)

Nightwing

@ZoroXTashigi:

yeah, i agree he is pretty strong (he cut off Z arm), but it just assumption…and you se my list about Mihawk (he just below PK and Yonkou)

True I agree. Just that we don't know what to expect from him yet. And yeah I saw the list

Russbuspower

@Shadowgreed:

How do you know he's just brute force? He showed speed and a great Haki hence why Oda make him go down by distraction. Hancock is strong but we don't know If she's Jozu strong, I'm pretty sure Jozu can counter Kuma's fruit, Mihawk can't cut him (being the strongest swordsman doesn't mean he can diamond), I'm pretty sure Jimbi would have lost that battle two years ago and those number doesn't mean anything Ace got number two because it was the open position no because he was below Marco strength wise.

But he is below Marco strength wise IMO. And Diamond is still a DF and can get cut by haki imbued world's strongest strike.

wolfwood

It just struck me that we could deduce a little about Kaido's fighting style from Moriah's plan to end him.

Since he'd need Oars, and has no haki. We could assume that Kaido is just a straight up powerhouse, probably huge.

Not to speedy, probably not very haki oriented, probably a physically enhancing df.

Probably has lots of stamina that zombie powers can cancel out

Russbuspower

@ZoroXTashigi:

Are you dumb?! shank not old, 12 years ago Shank was too young…. (Marineford: WB old = 72 years old, his prime about 22 years ago = 50 years old) .... I think they will get prime between 30 and 50 years old.

Colour of the Conquering or Haōshoku Haki

12 years ago CoC Shank could not even make a sea monster fainted. Are you've read SBS? "If Shank was on Fishman Island and replace Luffy, then he could make all Members Hody pirate fainted (100,000 persons), including Hody himself", that fact he is getting stronger than 12 years ago.

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yes i agree that his bounty must higher on the list, but his bounty will never higher than Mihawk.

Shanks looks pretty old to me.
According to what you have said, the older a character in One Piece, the stronger their haoshoku haki, even though everything that has occurred in the manga so far hints that CoC is built more on training and raw talent, not aging ability.
Have you seen any characters in the manga make a Sea King faint..?
Also… Are you Oda? You seem to know a lot about the power of heroes that literally haven't had one pictured fight.
You highly overrate CoC and it seems like you just finished the manga seeing as you just made an account. Go read some other threads because most of the people on here are not going to buy into the bullshit spewing out of your mouth.

Thebomer93

Moriah probably does have Haki but with him seemly not fought seriously in years he's mostly likely very rusty at using it.