@Vegard:
Just to be very nitpicky, the music they used was actually the track "Infinite Potential". Which does indeed share its tune with The Long Song, but yeah, it was a different track. Admittedly I only noticed that because I rewatched Rings of Akhaten yesterday, and so I noticed at the end of that episode that "Hey, this is the exact same arrangement they used for Eleven's regeneration!"
Ooh, didn't know about that track. Was it featured in Rings of Akhaten as well?
Also is it sad that I look at the last words of each gen (well at least Tennant and Smith) and take it not as the last words of the Doctors form, but the actors themselves?
Makes me wonder if they get to have an influence on their own last words. Though with the most recent three, you have: a sense of achievement, reluctance to leave, and now a statement of never forgetting. If you take Eight's recently shown regeneration too ('Physician, Heal Thyself'), you also get the need to change. It's a nice blend of reactions, all true responses to big changes.
@Thousand:
! Something I found on Tumblr
! -So his grave was never on Trenzalore
-So Clara could never have jumped into the Doctor’s time stream
-So Clara never got splintered through time and space
-So Clara never met the Doctor in 19th century London
-So the Doctor never went to find Clara
-So none of Series 7 makes sense.
! But TIMEY-WIMEY I guess right guys hoho Whatever, this show has like a million different hand wavey explanations for paradoxes (of which I'm betting some of you will grace me with now but you'll never get me to believe that Moffat had those in mind), it's long gone past caring about making any sense at this point.
My thoughts on this came in the middle of the night as i struggled to sleep
! All of that still happened, because its part of their history/time line. They went to that grave first, she went into his time stream…she became the impossible girl. Even if the future changes, it can't change her past now can it? Its established history for her, even if the future then changed, its now an alternative time line....
In preference to Moffat vs RTD debate I fall on Moffat's side.
RTD was just too depressing too willing to let people die for stupid reasons too willing to let the Doctor and companion be the only survivor more often than not.
I did like the Christmas episode - but I agree the pacing was completely off, all taking place as Clara is trying to cook a Turkey setting off a minor pet hate that the latest generation of Doctors seem capable of putting the Tardis at pinpoint accurate places and times at some times and being off by a couple of months for others.
Matt Smith will be this current generations Tom Baker I think depending how Capaldi goes if he only does 13 episodes like some think he might.
The details of Peter Capaldi’s Doctor Who contract have been let slip by Steven Moffat.
Capaldi, 55, will initially be on a one year deal for Series 8 which will be split into two halves of six episodes, the Christmas special making a total of 13 episodes produced in 2014. This is contrary to earlier rumours that the series would broadcast in its entirety in the autumn of 2014.
After that Capaldi will either sign a further contract or leave the show after one series like Christopher Eccleston, depending on his popularity. It is not unusual of more experienced actors to be on shorter term contracts however.
I heard Capaldi and Moffat are already fighting over scripts so I have a feeling Capaldi's not going to last long. But hey, they cheated themselves 12 new regenerations. Might as well splurge a little with them.
@Thousand:
I heard Capaldi and Moffat are already fighting over scripts so I have a feeling Capaldi's not going to last long. But hey, they cheated themselves 12 new regenerations. Might as well splurge a little with them.
Fighting over scripts is healthy - heck Matt Smith and Tennant apparently spent time proposing that they share seasons with Tennant doing 5 episodes and Smith doing 5 and then them having 3 as crossovers. Moffat was tempted but in the end declined it for a number of reasons.
Its likely just over how they want to represent his character, and the over arc - however if they are having screaming rows and not talking to each other - yeah he wont last.
Yeah what Cymelion said is true. Its good that they're "fighting" it means that at the end it will be better off for the show if the actor and Showrunner are on the same page. Capaldi is a veteran actor and is probably used to dealing with the Moffats of the industry. Moffat will be leaving after series 8 so they either leave together or Capaldi stays and sees how he can work with the next bloke.
Finished The Highlanders. An entertaining romp, though I thought we'd see more highlands in it, not spend nearly the whole story indoors :P
Also I think I'm getting over the heartbreak of losing Hartnell, though I'll always miss him as the Doctor.
! Genesis of the Daleks
Pyramids of Mars
City of Death
The Dalek Invasion of Earth
The Pilot
The Three Doctors
The Tenth Planet
Robots of Death
The Daleks
The Celestial Toymaker
The Romans
Planet of Giants
The Brain of Morbius
Reign of Terror
The Edge of Destruction
100 000 BC
The Face of Evil
Spearhead from Space
Day of the Daleks
The Curse of Peladon
The Mutants
The Power of the Daleks
The Daemons
The Silurians
The Keys of Marinus
Inferno
The Ark
Colony in Space
The Green Death
The Ambassadors of Death
The Smugglers
The Highlanders
Revenge of the Cybermen
Revelation of the Daleks
The Myth Makers
The Massacre of St Bartholomew's Eve
Remembrance of the Daleks
The Hand of Fear
The Masque of Mandragora
The War Machines
Battlefield
The Crusade
The Sensorites
The Android Invasion
Attack of the Cybermen
Terror of the Zygons
The Sea Devils
Ghost Light
The Aztecs
Marco Polo
The Greatest Show in the Galaxy
Mission to the Unknown
Galaxy 4
Dragonfire
The Time Meddler
The Curse of Fenric
The Daleks' Master Plan
The Savages
The Gunfighters
The Space Museum
The Rescue
The Chase
The Sontaran Experiment
The Web Planet
The Mark of the Rani
Planet of Evil
The Time Warrior
The Time Monster
The Claws of Axos
The Mind of Evil
Terror of the Autons
Meglos
Vengeance on Varos
Kinda
Mawdryn Undead
Carnival of Monsters
Planet of Fire
Timelash
The Twin Dilemma
The Creature from the Pit
Happiness Patrol
Time and the Rani
Silver Nemesis
Delta and the Bannermen
Paradise Towers
Nightmare of Eden
Image of the Fendahl
@Thousand:
I heard Capaldi and Moffat are already fighting over scripts so I have a feeling Capaldi's not going to last long. But hey, they cheated themselves 12 new regenerations. Might as well splurge a little with them.
Where are people hearing this? I search and search and all I find is a single one sentence twitter note from a month ago, completely anonymous and unsourced. (And considering the first table read read wasn't until more recently than that…)
Also, there's a huge difference between angry shouting matches of complete disagreement, and passioned discourse with an artist's insight working towards making the product better.
Just watched The Underwater Menace and honestly I had a ball. Mainly because Zaroff's devouring of the scenery is just so damn entertaining ! I honestly enjoyed it even if people usually don't.
Though the blond haired miner guy is an absolute asshole to the fish-people, even if it's on purpose he's doing it wrong and going way too far. These are people who got abducted and then got, presumabely permanently, horrifically surgically altered to serve the rest of their lives as horrible abominations/slaves of the Atlanteans. Could he be a bit less of a dick about it ?
And yeah, that scientist who did the operation is one to diss their religion. And I don't really like how Theos is prepared to abandon their entire religious belief system cause one crazy guy convinced the resident fat-dude that he was a Prophet by showing him a bunch of flashing lights.
! Genesis of the Daleks
Pyramids of Mars
City of Death
The Dalek Invasion of Earth
The Pilot
The Three Doctors
The Tenth Planet
Robots of Death
The Daleks
The Celestial Toymaker
The Romans
Planet of Giants
The Brain of Morbius
Reign of Terror
The Edge of Destruction
100 000 BC
The Face of Evil
Spearhead from Space
Day of the Daleks
The Curse of Peladon
The Mutants
The Power of the Daleks
The Daemons
The Silurians
The Keys of Marinus
Inferno
The Ark
Colony in Space
The Green Death
The Ambassadors of Death
The Underwater Menace
The Smugglers
The Highlanders
Revenge of the Cybermen
Revelation of the Daleks
The Myth Makers
The Massacre of St Bartholomew's Eve
Remembrance of the Daleks
The Hand of Fear
The Masque of Mandragora
The War Machines
Battlefield
The Crusade
The Sensorites
The Android Invasion
Attack of the Cybermen
Terror of the Zygons
The Sea Devils
Ghost Light
The Aztecs
Marco Polo
The Greatest Show in the Galaxy
Mission to the Unknown
Galaxy 4
Dragonfire
The Time Meddler
The Curse of Fenric
The Daleks' Master Plan
The Savages
The Gunfighters
The Space Museum
The Rescue
The Chase
The Sontaran Experiment
The Web Planet
The Mark of the Rani
Planet of Evil
The Time Warrior
The Time Monster
The Claws of Axos
The Mind of Evil
Terror of the Autons
Meglos
Vengeance on Varos
Kinda
Mawdryn Undead
Carnival of Monsters
Planet of Fire
Timelash
The Twin Dilemma
The Creature from the Pit
Happiness Patrol
Time and the Rani
Silver Nemesis
Delta and the Bannermen
Paradise Towers
Nightmare of Eden
Image of the Fendahl
@RobbyBevard:
Where are people hearing this? I search and search and all I find is a single one sentence twitter note from a month ago, completely anonymous and unsourced. (And considering the first table read read wasn't until more recently than that…)
Also, there's a huge difference between angry shouting matches of complete disagreement, and passioned discourse with an artist's insight working towards making the product better.
Yeah I couldn't find anything either - just seems to be one of those "Heard it from someone so I'll repeat it things"
Hey Robby just a question on the Doctors age.
Remember how in Day of the Doctor he said he was 12 hundred so there was a 400 year difference from the Hurt Doctor - then in Time of the Doctor he aged quite a bit on Trenzalor (can't remember exact number) so they are saying he is even older now.
But during Tennant's run didn't the Master age the Doctor to 900 with the Lazereus device installed in his Screwdriver is that written out with the Paradox device collapsing do you think or just overlooked?
Pell survived because he is a Falcon - Stop using him as a bad example.
The Peregrine Falcon reaches faster speeds than any other animal on the planet when performing the stoop,which involves soaring to a great height and then diving steeply at speeds of over 320 km/h (200 mph)
This article has been going round my social circle, and is a better-written account of some of the problems I have had with Moffat's recent seasons, and why I feel Smith was cheated.
Though I suspect we may have to agree to disagree since I seem to be in a minority on this particular site.
I think there are probably a lot more silent Davies fans who just haven't enjoyed the series as much overall as to be willing to throw themselves to the lions and to try to fight them. I, for one, liked most of Davies' work with the series, but never liked almost any Moffat episode. Even Blink, I thought, was one of the more boring episodes of that season. The article was definitely a good read. I agree with a lot of its points.
But I'm not an expert, and I stopped watching after the end of the sixth season (of the new series) anyway because the main reason I was watching it in the first place disappeared from my life. I suppose I don't really get a say.
Came across an interesting article. It's up to you whether you agree or not. For me personally, it perfectly captures the problems I've had with the show.
@Thousand:
Came across an interesting article. It's up to you whether you agree or not. For me personally, it perfectly captures the problems I've had with the show.
@Print:
This article has been going round my social circle, and is a better-written account of some of the problems I have had with Moffat's recent seasons, and why I feel Smith was cheated.
Though I suspect we may have to agree to disagree since I seem to be in a minority on this particular site.
It seems there are some good points, if everyone thinks there are.
…
Despite some spot on complaints, I can't help but think how much author missed whole point of Eleventh as a character, which was pretty consistent.
Moffat is not the best writer, but some of those are just nitpicks.
Finished The Moonbase. A pretty good story, minus a few gaffs, like trying to plug a hole in the dome with a shirt, leaving the metal reciever control unit things with the infected in the infirmary etc.
! Genesis of the Daleks
Pyramids of Mars
City of Death
The Dalek Invasion of Earth
The Pilot
The Three Doctors
The Tenth Planet
Robots of Death
The Daleks
The Celestial Toymaker
The Romans
Planet of Giants
The Brain of Morbius
Reign of Terror
The Edge of Destruction
The Moonbase
100 000 BC
The Face of Evil
Spearhead from Space
Day of the Daleks
The Curse of Peladon
The Mutants
The Power of the Daleks
The Daemons
The Silurians
The Keys of Marinus
Inferno
The Ark
Colony in Space
The Green Death
The Ambassadors of Death
The Underwater Menace
The Smugglers
The Highlanders
Revenge of the Cybermen
Revelation of the Daleks
The Myth Makers
The Massacre of St Bartholomew's Eve
Remembrance of the Daleks
The Hand of Fear
The Masque of Mandragora
The War Machines
Battlefield
The Crusade
The Sensorites
The Android Invasion
Attack of the Cybermen
Terror of the Zygons
The Sea Devils
Ghost Light
The Aztecs
Marco Polo
The Greatest Show in the Galaxy
Mission to the Unknown
Galaxy 4
Dragonfire
The Time Meddler
The Curse of Fenric
The Daleks' Master Plan
The Savages
The Gunfighters
The Space Museum
The Rescue
The Chase
The Sontaran Experiment
The Web Planet
The Mark of the Rani
Planet of Evil
The Time Warrior
The Time Monster
The Claws of Axos
The Mind of Evil
Terror of the Autons
Meglos
Vengeance on Varos
Kinda
Mawdryn Undead
Carnival of Monsters
Planet of Fire
Timelash
The Twin Dilemma
The Creature from the Pit
Happiness Patrol
Time and the Rani
Silver Nemesis
Delta and the Bannermen
Paradise Towers
Nightmare of Eden
Image of the Fendahl
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Also looking up the stories planned for season 23 that were dropped, why couldn't they hiatus come after Nightmare Fair ? It'd be the first appearance of the Celestial Toymaker in a televised story since the First Doctor's time, plus I'd really like to see how they were planning to do the "evil arcade games" thing. Considering it was commissioned back in 1984, and written around 1985, it'd be really interesting to see how they would do that, since video games were about to go through a massive evolution boost compaed to the early arcade days, so it would probably be hilariously dated. Sadly no novelisation can really capture that aspect.
@RobbyBevard:
He aged him in Gallifreian years.
O.o Weird answer.
@Print:
This article has been going round my social circle, and is a better-written account of some of the problems I have had with Moffat's recent seasons, and why I feel Smith was cheated.
Though I suspect we may have to agree to disagree since I seem to be in a minority on this particular site.
I get some of the complaints - but they also seem rather convoluted or trying to justify the hatred style.
It's ok to say "I don't like Moffat's stories" and leave it at that - it's another thing to say "I don't like Moffat's stories and I'll do my best to make everyone else hate them too"
Moffat brought the most important, the most crucial, the fundamental feature of Doctor Who back - He brought Happy back to the Doctor Who universe, where it's not just a one off line from Eccleston saying "Just this once no body dies" because its so rare not to have entire episode of Red Shirts.
Thing is here I would say with Moffat/Smith's run had they actually killed someone off properly it would have meant more - I do think they went overboard killing Rory off so much so he became Doctor Who's version of Kenny. But it never stopped my ability to enjoy the show.
Pell survived because he is a Falcon - Stop using him as a bad example.
The Peregrine Falcon reaches faster speeds than any other animal on the planet when performing the stoop,which involves soaring to a great height and then diving steeply at speeds of over 320 km/h (200 mph)
I also really like Moffat and his stories. Sure it can get a little bit complicated but I really liked how he resolved the regeneration issues or how he built a story arc through more then one season. I love his courage to change and touch things that seemed to be untouchable.
I get some of the complaints - but they also seem rather convoluted or trying to justify the hatred style.
It's ok to say "I don't like Moffat's stories" and leave it at that - it's another thing to say "I don't like Moffat's stories and I'll do my best to make everyone else hate them too"
Isn't this intellectual dishonesty, though? That's what it looks like from my perspective.
A dislike of something always boils down to some aspects of the thing being at odds with a person's worldview, and if you're discerning enough you can maybe tell what those things are and whether you would have liked something more if it was any different. Rants, or opinions as they're called, whether written or spoken, are nothing but communicated analyses of those aspects that people make to both get some clarification to the validity their own thoughts and to raise some discussion about their observations.
That article was nothing but a person's take on why Moffat's era of Doctor Who writing was not very engaging, and why Matt Smith could have benefited more of a different kind of a writer. It was their genuine opinion, which I don't think was written just to add fuel to the fire. And having opinions is always allowed, as is speaking out one's own opinion. No one needs to read them or listen to them, and no one is forced to do so. If it resonates badly with someone else because it does make them feel uncomfortable, the problem is always with the person who, for whatever reason, feels uncomfortable, and they need to sort it out themselves.
After all, is is a fact that Moffat's writing had things that made people bristle in it. It is by no means perfect, and neither was RTD's writing. But you have to take them at face value and acknowledge them for what they are before making a judgment. And if that means that you can't enjoy them anymore, then too bad, Doctor Who just isn't a good series to you anymore.
Moffat brought the most important, the most crucial, the fundamental feature of Doctor Who back - He brought Happy back to the Doctor Who universe, where it's not just a one off line from Eccleston saying "Just this once no body dies" because its so rare not to have entire episode of Red Shirts.
Actually, as someone who has watched the majority of Classic Who episodes, I'd say that never really was a thing. Even as far back as the earliest DW episodes, there was always fodder dying left and right.
Now, that being said, I'm not complaining about the comparatively light-hearted tone Moffat has taken the show, as I always did think this story about an eccentric alien in a time-traveling police box took itself a bit too seriously. Plus, I'm not a fan of constant random death.
And the lamb lies down on Broadway
Actually, as someone who has watched the majority of Classic Who episodes, I'd say that never really was a thing. Even as far back as the earliest DW episodes, there was always fodder dying left and right.
The Smugglers for instance has two people stabbed to death on screen.
@No:
The Smugglers for instance has two people stabbed to death on screen.
Were they smugglers?
@No:
One was a church warden/former pirate, the other was a tavern owner, and smuggler.
So yes.
Were they smuggling daggers
@No:
Rum.
Also there was a pirate with a hook hand.
Did they deserve their stabbing
'Kay, not sure what this exchange between you two is about, but we don't need to refer to just The Smugglers to make this point.
Spoilers for Classic Who episodes:
! The Daleks - The Thals are gunned down at a supposed peace treaty
The Dalek Invasion of Earth - Countless humans are killed and subjected to mind control. One mind control victim drowns himself
The Dalek's Master Plan - Arguably the first instance of companions dying. One is sucked into space and the other is rapidly aged into dust
Spearhead from Space - Innocent bystanders are gunned down by Autons
Talons of Weng-Chiang - Several women are killed by having their life force drained
Horror of Fang Rock - Everyone dies. Like, literally the entire supporting cast dies.
The Pirate Planet - A string of planets are wiped out
Nightmare of Eden - Alien of the week murders passengers and crew aboard a spaceship
Horns of Nimon - An alien world is destroyed
Logopolis - The Master wipes out an alien race
Delta and the Bannermen - A bus full of touring aliens is destroyed
Curse of Fenric - In addition to two women that we do see, many WRNS officers are implied to have been killed
! Also, the RTD era had at least 2 or 3 instances of children dying.
And the lamb lies down on Broadway
'Kay, not sure what this exchange between you two is about, but we need to refer to just The Smugglers to make this point.
Spoilers for Classic Who episodes:
! The Daleks - The Thals are gunned down at a supposed peace treaty
The Dalek Invasion of Earth - Countless humans are killed and subjected to mind control. One mind control victim drowns himself
The Dalek's Master Plan - Arguably the first instance of companions dying. One is sucked into space and the other is rapidly aged into dust
Spearhead from Space - Innocent bystanders are gunned down by Autons
Talons of Weng-Chiang - Several women are killed by having their life force drained
Horror of Fang Rock - Everyone dies. Like, literally the entire supporting cast dies.
The Pirate Planet - A string of planets are wiped out
Nightmare of Eden - Alien of the week murders passengers and crew aboard a spaceship
Horns of Nimon - An alien world is destroyed
Logopolis - The Master wipes out an alien race
Delta and the Bannermen - A bus full of touring aliens is destroyed
Curse of Fenric - In addition to two women that we do see, many WRNS officers are implied to have been killed
! Also, the RTD era had at least 2 or 3 instances of children dying.
Yeah but since you said you didn't watch reconstructions I assumed you wouldn't mention it, so I did. :D
Also you're gonna have to ask Glib I'm just enjoying this strange sensation of someone actually responding to my posts in this thread :ninja:
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Just finished The Macra Terror. Interesting and quite well handled, although the logic that the institutions of the colony use to sentence people is a bit suspect. They say that Medok is too mentally ill to be "cured", so they punish him with life threatening manual labour, on a vital part of the colony's infrastructure (at least vital for the Macra) where any slip up means the whole work team is dead and they'll lose gas.
And….why will the Pilot suddenly believe the Doctor if he sees a Macra in person, when he saw one pretty much being in charge of Control before and immediately went back into obedience mode ?
Also not a whole lot of the actual Macra, to be honest.
! Genesis of the Daleks
Pyramids of Mars
City of Death
The Dalek Invasion of Earth
The Pilot
The Three Doctors
The Tenth Planet
Robots of Death
The Daleks
The Celestial Toymaker
The Romans
Planet of Giants
The Brain of Morbius
The Macra Terror
Reign of Terror
The Edge of Destruction
The Moonbase
100 000 BC
The Face of Evil
Spearhead from Space
Day of the Daleks
The Curse of Peladon
The Mutants
The Power of the Daleks
The Daemons
The Silurians
The Keys of Marinus
Inferno
The Ark
Colony in Space
The Green Death
The Ambassadors of Death
The Underwater Menace
The Smugglers
The Highlanders
Revenge of the Cybermen
Revelation of the Daleks
The Myth Makers
The Massacre of St Bartholomew's Eve
Remembrance of the Daleks
The Hand of Fear
The Masque of Mandragora
The War Machines
Battlefield
The Crusade
The Sensorites
The Android Invasion
Attack of the Cybermen
Terror of the Zygons
The Sea Devils
Ghost Light
The Aztecs
Marco Polo
The Greatest Show in the Galaxy
Mission to the Unknown
Galaxy 4
Dragonfire
The Time Meddler
The Curse of Fenric
The Daleks' Master Plan
The Savages
The Gunfighters
The Space Museum
The Rescue
The Chase
The Sontaran Experiment
The Web Planet
The Mark of the Rani
Planet of Evil
The Time Warrior
The Time Monster
The Claws of Axos
The Mind of Evil
Terror of the Autons
Meglos
Vengeance on Varos
Kinda
Mawdryn Undead
Carnival of Monsters
Planet of Fire
Timelash
The Twin Dilemma
The Creature from the Pit
Happiness Patrol
Time and the Rani
Silver Nemesis
Delta and the Bannermen
Paradise Towers
Nightmare of Eden
Image of the Fendahl
Finished The Faceless Ones. A good story, (and it's good we at least have the two episodes left, as I wouldn't have been able to notice that the immobiliser-thingy they stick onto the Doctor's back at one point was actually there a moment before it was supposed to have been put there, these kinds of things would most likely go completely unrecorded).
I did find it weird that the guy at immigrations, even though I think he's a chameleon, still acted so utterly reserved about someone coming in and reporting a murder, saying he'll only talk about that whole business once and only once they show him their passports. Not the best at cover, are you lads ?
The only thing that really bugs me is the fact that for Ben and Polly's exit, they have precious little to do in the story. Polly's replaced almost immediately and Ben while he stays on for about two more episodes, does little of anything. While not shafted to the decree that poor Dodo was in that they were actually allowed to say their goodbies onscreen, I just find it odd that the last companions of the First Doctor leave on such an underwhelming note.
Also if the Doctor was arguing against the pair leaving, why not tell them he's lost the Tardis and that he probably needs the help of someone not from 200 years ago to help him find it, just to avoid the difficulties associated with Jamie not knowing a thing about modern earth society.
! Genesis of the Daleks
Pyramids of Mars
City of Death
The Dalek Invasion of Earth
The Pilot
The Three Doctors
The Tenth Planet
Robots of Death
The Daleks
The Celestial Toymaker
The Romans
Planet of Giants
The Brain of Morbius
The Macra Terror
Reign of Terror
The Edge of Destruction
The Moonbase
100 000 BC
The Face of Evil
Spearhead from Space
Day of the Daleks
The Curse of Peladon
The Mutants
The Power of the Daleks
The Daemons
The Silurians
The Keys of Marinus
Inferno
The Ark
Colony in Space
The Green Death
The Ambassadors of Death
The Underwater Menace
The Smugglers
The Highlanders
Revenge of the Cybermen
Revelation of the Daleks
The Myth Makers
The Massacre of St Bartholomew's Eve
Remembrance of the Daleks
The Hand of Fear
The Masque of Mandragora
The War Machines
Battlefield
The Crusade
The Sensorites
The Android Invasion
Attack of the Cybermen
Terror of the Zygons
The Sea Devils
Ghost Light
The Aztecs
Marco Polo
The Greatest Show in the Galaxy
Mission to the Unknown
Galaxy 4
Dragonfire
The Time Meddler
The Curse of Fenric
The Daleks' Master Plan
The Faceless Ones
The Savages
The Gunfighters
The Space Museum
The Rescue
The Chase
The Sontaran Experiment
The Web Planet
The Mark of the Rani
Planet of Evil
The Time Warrior
The Time Monster
The Claws of Axos
The Mind of Evil
Terror of the Autons
Meglos
Vengeance on Varos
Kinda
Mawdryn Undead
Carnival of Monsters
Planet of Fire
Timelash
The Twin Dilemma
The Creature from the Pit
Happiness Patrol
Time and the Rani
Silver Nemesis
Delta and the Bannermen
Paradise Towers
Nightmare of Eden
Image of the Fendahl
So, I started watching Dr. Who exactly one month ago starting with season 1 of 2005 and I just finished the last Christmas special. I also started watching classic stuff and I'm up to the Baker years, but anyway, why the hell did I wait so long to finally watch this show, I don't know, it's been amazing. Aside from a few stinkers, I've loved all of it.
Also, for whatever reason, Matt Smith was my favorite doctor and just slain in the soul that he's gone so soon. I'm sure Peter Capaldi is going to be awesome and change was bound to happen sooner or later, but I'm still sad. i feel like he should have had one more season. Part of the problem is that I can't just jump right into the next episode and see the new doctor before I can think about it like I have been able to do. Gonna be a long 8-10 months.
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa
I also started watching classic stuff and I'm up to the Baker years
From what point did you start watching the classic series ?
Also….which Baker :ninja:
@No:
From what point did you start watching the classic series ?
From the first episode, though I have skipped a a lot. I looked at suggestions of stuff to watch, from this thread in fact. I have actually read this whole thread while I was watching, avoiding spoilers.
Also….which Baker :ninja:
Haha…forgot there are two. Should have said the 4th. I'll be there a while, there's a lot of episodes.
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa
From the first episode, though I have skipped a a lot. I looked at suggestions of stuff to watch, from this thread in fact. I have actually read this whole thread while I was watching, avoiding spoilers.
Haha…forgot there are two. Should have said the 4th. I'll be there a while, there's a lot of episodes.
So how much of Hartnell and Troughton did you see ?
And would you like some recommendations for someone who'se seen all of Hartnell, including the recons ?
I'm not gonna lie, I found the Hartnell stuff, at least the early episodes, to be pretty hard to watch. Troughton on the hand, I love. If you have any suggestions about the first doctor that would help me put that era in a better perspective, suggest away. As for the 2nd, there's just not much I can find between Hulu and Netflix, I suppose Youtube probably has more.
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa
I'm not gonna lie, I found the Hartnell stuff, at least the early episodes, to be pretty hard to watch. Troughton on the hand, I love. If you have any suggestions about the first doctor that would help me put that era in a better perspective, suggest away. As for the 2nd, there's just not much I can find between Hulu and Netflix, I suppose Youtube probably has more.
The first Doctor is hard to recommend something specific of in that you have to watch things in order to see his gradual progression from a grumpy old misanthrope to a lovable old man.
Did you watch all of An Unearthly Child ?
@No:
The first Doctor is hard to recommend something specific of in that you have to watch things in order to see his gradual progression from a grumpy old misanthrope to a lovable old man.
Did you watch all of An Unearthly Child ?
I watched all of it, yes. And also The Daleks. I couldn't find The Meddling Monk.
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa
I watched all of it, yes. And also The Daleks. I couldn't find The Meddling Monk.
That's because the story is called The Time Meddler.
So you missed Edge of Destruction and the Marco Polo recons ? Because alot of the impact of later events depend on you having watched along previously, for example The Dalek Invasion of Earth.
I'd suggest doing those (Edge is only two episodes, and while Marco Polo is 7, the recon is in colour I believe) and then Keys of Marinus for a more episodic storyline.
@No:
That's because the story is called The Time Meddler.
Ah, not sure why I missed that, I looked up all the serials titles from wikipedia, but I was probably sleepy at 3:00am like I am now.
But I'll go back and watch what you suggested.
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa
Ah, not sure why I missed that, I looked up all the serials titles from wikipedia, but I was probably sleepy at 3:00am like I am now.
But I'll go back and watch what you suggested.
Be warned. Marco Polo is an ass.
I'm not gonna lie, I fNound the Hartnell stuff, at least the early episodes, to be pretty hard to watch. Troughton on the hand, I love. If you have any suggestions about the first doctor that would help me put that era in a better perspective, suggest away. As for the 2nd, there's just not much I can find between Hulu and Netflix, I suppose Youtube probably has more.
The Hartnell episodes I'd personally recommend, in addition to No Ma'am's suggestions:
The Keys of Marinus
The Aztecs
The Romans
The Space Museum
The Tenth Planet
Rappin' Chopper:
"Yo; I was a reindeer livin' out in 'da snow! But then this old geeza' doctor brought me into his home! After healin' my wounds, I felt real phat. Then, old docta' Hiruk gave me this blingin' hat! My family beat me, shunt me, but it's all tight. Because I'm doin' my doctor remedies all night. I look like freak with my Human Human fruit. But now I'm with some gangsta' pirates who like to steal loot! All the girls like my blue nose. Yeah; it's the way that I get the Record scratching. Usopp's the guy with all 'da glory. He's my main man with all his tight stories. Zolo's Santoryu skills are on ice. You betta' watch out, or you gonna get sliced! Sanji's the cook servin' up the main dish. Don't mess with him, unless that's your wish. Luffy's 'da captain with the straw hat! His Gum Gum skills are real real tight. Vivi's the princess of Alabasta. Now we gotta head there, and we betta' do it faster!"
@Senshi:
The Hartnell episodes I'd personally recommend, in addition to No Ma'am's suggestions:
The Keys of Marinus
The Aztecs
The Romans
The Space Museum
The Tenth Planet
Okay aside from the fact that I recommended Keys of Marinus (
) I am surprised you actually recommend The Space Museum given the usual…..eh response to it people have.
Mind you I did say that it's prefferable to watch the series in order
! as the departure of companions is gonna have less of an impact, plus you'll not get much of a feel for them if you skip around too much.
I'd definitely save The Tenth Planet for last when it comes to Hartnell though, for obvious in-story reasons.
And yeah, you do need to get a taste for how the 60's episodes move and "act". It's a style and pacing that's completely different to the modern shown.
While the slow pacing is definitely one of my gripes with the show in the 60's, I felt it was at its slowest during Jon Pertwee's first series. While The Silurians and Inferno were good serials, I felt as though they could've been better if they were one or two episodes shorter. It was also mainly because I wasn't used to the limited setting since they all took place on Earth. It wasn't until the next series that I really grew to appreciate UNIT, and the introduction of one of my favorite companions on the show.
Rappin' Chopper:
"Yo; I was a reindeer livin' out in 'da snow! But then this old geeza' doctor brought me into his home! After healin' my wounds, I felt real phat. Then, old docta' Hiruk gave me this blingin' hat! My family beat me, shunt me, but it's all tight. Because I'm doin' my doctor remedies all night. I look like freak with my Human Human fruit. But now I'm with some gangsta' pirates who like to steal loot! All the girls like my blue nose. Yeah; it's the way that I get the Record scratching. Usopp's the guy with all 'da glory. He's my main man with all his tight stories. Zolo's Santoryu skills are on ice. You betta' watch out, or you gonna get sliced! Sanji's the cook servin' up the main dish. Don't mess with him, unless that's your wish. Luffy's 'da captain with the straw hat! His Gum Gum skills are real real tight. Vivi's the princess of Alabasta. Now we gotta head there, and we betta' do it faster!"
I'm fine with the pacing. I'm grew up watching a lot of old stuff. :P
Apparently they started filming season 8 today. I hope we start getting a few images.
So now….what will be Capaldi's catchphrase I wonder.
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So now….what will be Capaldi's catchphrase I wonder.
As long as they leave bow ties and fish fingers and the fact that everything has to be cool and geronimo and all that out of it, anything out of that man's mouth should be golden.
@Senshi:
While the slow pacing is definitely one of my gripes with the show in the 60's, I felt it was at its slowest during Jon Pertwee's first series. While The Silurians and Inferno were good serials, I felt as though they could've been better if they were one or two episodes shorter. It was also mainly because I wasn't used to the limited setting since they all took place on Earth. It wasn't until the next series that I really grew to appreciate UNIT, and the introduction of one of my favorite companions on the show.
Inferno's a story where the alternate reality sideplot is about ten times more interesting, and less silly, then the actual main plot.
There are rumors that costume will be revealed today.Also
! >! Lizardwoman, maid and potato are back
There are rumors that costume will be revealed today.Also
! >! Lizardwoman, maid and potato are back
! That was kinda expected though. I wonder if they're shooting the first episode first, or if they're doing them out of order. Otherwise it would be interesting to see those three sort of help the Doctor during his post regeneration craze.
! That was kinda expected though. I wonder if they're shooting the first episode first, or if they're doing them out of order. Otherwise it would be interesting to see those three sort of help the Doctor during his post regeneration craze.
! There are "exclusive" photo of Peter in Matt's costume, so probably it is first episode, or they film two at the same time
