The pace of this town is FAR too slow. If there was ever a need for a kick in the pants, it'd be here.
trappedolphin, Wooden_giraffe, Shuhan, Red Hawk, Galaxy 9000: I want all of you to vote on your first post.
One Piece Mafia: Part II
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Mind explaining why Harvady?
Vote Lynch: Harvady Alumnus
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Vote Lynch: Shuhan
Will that suffice?
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I have to side with Wooden_Giraffe on this one.
Vote Lynch: Harvady Alumnus
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Hmm, too soon for a L-2
Unvote
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Mind explaining why Harvady?
Vote Lynch: Harvady Alumnus
Gladly.
You see, based on my pet theory, there is always one mafia who lurks-due to it's great effectiveness, and one mafia who is active-to distance themselves from their partner.
Yesterday, we had four people who were active on every front. Four people voted, argued, speculated, deduced, and the like. If my theory is correct, one of these four are mafia. Recent developments have brought this number down to two, with Mrs. Iceburg's incarceration and Foolio's death. I know it's not me. So in my mind, Nectar's lynch will assure the capture of at least one mafia.
I find this course of action prudent because we'd be dealing with far too many scummy suspects otherwise. The only way for me to avoid voting Nectar today is if I can discern a better candidate. Given the current track record, that wasn't going to happen. Hell, even if I want to vote Nectar, I'd need three more people to vote with me. Even if you and Shuhan show up, I'd still be asking Nectar to vote himself. Having people lynch themselves two days in a row would be a new low for us.
Town needs to get moving. I don't know anyone's opinion about anyone. If I can pull them out by demanding votes, I will do just that.
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Given Harvady's explanation, I will hold off my vote.
Unvote
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Vote Lynch: Harvady Alumnus
This vote is more or less a confrontational vote. Wooden is addressing my aggressiveness by voting me. Even if he has suspects, he took my declaration as a higher priority.
Vote Lynch: Shuhan
This vote is a soul-crushing vote. Shuhan is crushing my soul here.
@Red:
Vote Lynch: Harvady Alumnus
This vote is a wagon vote. Rather than vote someone he personally finds suspicious, he instead chooses to agree with Wooden rather than pursue a different suspect.
Seeing as I've stated my reasoning, my hand has already been played. Galaxy and Trapped will know the score and can adjust their votes to please me-if they so choose. I'm mostly fine with that, because I more or less know where Galaxy's vote would go, and Trapped wasn't as much of a lurker to where I'd have to provoke a suspect out of her.
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Harvy, you never asked for us to vote for our suspects. You asked for us to vote, without giving a single reason why. I wasn't voting for you because of your declaration, I voted because I wanted your reasoning. Voting for someone always seems to draw the quickest response.
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Harvy, you never asked for us to vote for our suspects. You asked for us to vote, without giving a single reason why. I wasn't voting for you because of your declaration, I voted because I wanted your reasoning. Voting for someone always seems to draw the quickest response.
There is such a thing as being too direct. If I elaborate too much or be too specific, it just makes things easier on the mafia. Town needs a to be held over a barrel in order to get a genuine response.
If you had a suspect, Wooden, we should have heard about them yesterday. You showed up to hammer the wagon, but you didn't give any suspects. You have helped town by completing the D1 wagon, but there was zero contribution to the scum hunt.
What if you had died?
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If I had died then it would basically show that the mafia doesn't know what they're doing. Killing the least active townie does nothing but help the town.
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@Harvady:
Gladly.
You see, based on my pet theory, there is always one mafia who lurks-due to it's great effectiveness, and one mafia who is active-to distance themselves from their partner.
Yesterday, we had four people who were active on every front. Four people voted, argued, speculated, deduced, and the like. If my theory is correct, one of these four are mafia. Recent developments have brought this number down to two, with Mrs. Iceburg's incarceration and Foolio's death. I know it's not me. So in my mind, Nectar's lynch will assure the capture of at least one mafia.
I find this course of action prudent because we'd be dealing with far too many scummy suspects otherwise. The only way for me to avoid voting Nectar today is if I can discern a better candidate. Given the current track record, that wasn't going to happen. Hell, even if I want to vote Nectar, I'd need three more people to vote with me. Even if you and Shuhan show up, I'd still be asking Nectar to vote himself. Having people lynch themselves two days in a row would be a new low for us.
Town needs to get moving. I don't know anyone's opinion about anyone. If I can pull them out by demanding votes, I will do just that.
I agree at least one of the Mafia voted for Mrs. Iceburg. By your logic its you or me. I know I'm a Townie so it's either me and you getting boxed. Now, if you're Mafia then Mrs. Iceburg is probably Town. Also, it could mean I was right about Shuhan and this is all to take my focus off him. Or, that's a red herring and you want to control the Town. Either way, if I don't get boxed I'll probably get killed by the Mafia on Night 2. Of course, by saying that the Mafia may not kill me to raise suspension against me. Well…
Vote Lynch: Harvady
Hate to do the vote-you-cause-you-vote-me thing but this does fall into my Mafia voted for Mrs. Iceburg theory.
Now, IF I end up getting boxed and Mrs Iceburg confirms I'm Town, you WILL be going in on Day Four and I assume the same will be of me if I make it there without getting boxed.
NNID: jervinnectar
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If I had died then it would basically show that the mafia doesn't know what they're doing. Killing the least active townie does nothing but help the town.
I was trying to get at the fact that you would have died without helping town at all. That is a fate that you, as a townie, must avoid at all costs. It is cruel to make fellow villagers scum hunt when the population remains silent for five days.
I agree at least one of the Mafia voted for Mrs. Iceburg. By your logic its you or me. I know I'm a Townie so it's either me and you getting boxed. Now, if you're Mafia then Mrs. Iceburg is probably Town.
Also, it could mean I was right about Shuhan and this is all to take my focus off him. Or, that's a red herring and you want to control the Town. Either way, if I don't get boxed I'll probably get killed by the Mafia on Night 2. Of course, by saying that the Mafia may not kill me to raise suspension against me.
This is exactly the train of thought I had. Naturally, the same is true from my perspective. What I do know, is that, if either of us go into the box, the other will be spared the mafia's kill as we perpetuate suspicion on each other. Not the worst trade. If the mafia does kill one of us, it also works in our favor, as the remaining people on the Iceburg wagon are eliminated.
As for Shuhan, I would certainly say that he deserves the box. But his fascination with it naturally makes me hesitate. The fact that he voted himself when I asked for votes means that he's not willing/ready to pursue anyone. I don't have to explain why that is such a red flag. His actions don't make sense for town or mafia. Even my first suspect, Galaxy, was worthy of being voted. His constant defensiveness his a big hindrance, and he has not contributed.
What actually bothers me is why Mrs. Iceburg got voted for getting on my wagon. Foolio was town, so his intentions were pure. It just supports the belief that mafia was present.
Well…
Vote Lynch: Harvady
Hate to do the vote-you-cause-you-vote-me thing but this does fall into my Mafia voted for Mrs. Iceburg theory.
Now, IF I end up getting boxed and Mrs Iceburg confirms I'm Town, you WILL be going in on Day Four and I assume the same will be of me if I make it there without getting boxed.
That would be the most logical step. The best course is to pursue the active partner, because as it stands, the lurker partner doesn't make for a good hunt.
If we are just going to cross-vote, Nectar, I'm going to hold off on voting for a while. The day's only just begun, after all. In the meantime, we should trade opinions on the rest of town, in order to determine the lurker among mafia.
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So few posts… Well, we clearly have to vote today. Nothing's going to happen unless we do, and the mafia is probably going to want to slow things down to keep the same people confined for as long as possible to decrease the number of reports. Let's go!
I'm going to assume and least one Mafioso voted for Mrs. Iceburg.
Is this under the assumption that Iceburg was mafia or town? (Or does it not matter?)
Vote Lynch: Shuhan
Will that suffice?
What was the purpose of this vote? If it was to appease Harvady, what he wanted was action. All I can read from this is that you either want to appear as being very willing to be lynched, or you don't want to have to put a serious vote down. My sympathies to you for the rl crap you're going through, though; if you've got the time to come by, a couple of suspects would be nice.
@Red:
I have to side with Wooden_Giraffe on this one.
Vote Lynch: Harvady Alumnus
What exactly did you mean by this; how did you even know what Woody's "side" was, given that he said after this vote that he didn't vote Harvady out of suspicion? Why did you vote Harvady? Got any suspects?
@Harvady:
Gladly.
You see, based on my pet theory, there is always one mafia who lurks-due to it's great effectiveness, and one mafia who is active-to distance themselves from their partner.
This is a good theory. It sounds great. But what in this game has given you the idea that this theory applies here? I'm genuinely curious, actually. Our past few games have had double-lurker mafia, and we've had games where all the mafia members were active.
@Harvady:
Yesterday, we had four people who were active on every front. Four people voted, argued, speculated, deduced, and the like. If my theory is correct, one of these four are mafia. Recent developments have brought this number down to two, with Mrs. Iceburg's incarceration and Foolio's death. I know it's not me. So in my mind, Nectar's lynch will assure the capture of at least one mafia.
Both you and Neccie have already brought up that this is interchangeably valid for both of you. I agree with this line of argument. It'll take some time switching you guys around but this seems like a decent plan to KIV for now.
@Red:
Given Harvady's explanation, I will hold off my vote.
Unvote
Exactly what about Harvady's explanation made you unvote? Did it make you less suspicious of him, did you interpret his request differently at first, etc.? Cause it looks like you're just swinging.
Now, IF I end up getting boxed and Mrs Iceburg confirms I'm Town, you WILL be going in on Day Four and I assume the same will be of me if I make it there without getting boxed.
Just quoting in case I forget in the future.
Now for my vote… dun dun duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun!
Vote lynch: Red Hawk
I don't plan to scatter the wagon.
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@Harvady:
This is exactly the train of thought I had. Naturally, the same is true from my perspective. What I do know, is that, if either of us go into the box, the other will be spared the mafia's kill as we perpetuate suspicion on each other. Not the worst trade. If the mafia does kill one of us, it also works in our favor, as the remaining people on the Iceburg wagon are eliminated.
As for Shuhan, I would certainly say that he deserves the box. But his fascination with it naturally makes me hesitate. The fact that he voted himself when I asked for votes means that he's not willing/ready to pursue anyone. I don't have to explain why that is such a red flag. His actions don't make sense for town or mafia. Even my first suspect, Galaxy, was worthy of being voted. His constant defensiveness his a big hindrance, and he has not contributed.
What actually bothers me is why Mrs. Iceburg got voted for getting on my wagon. Foolio was town, so his intentions were pure. It just supports the belief that mafia was present.
That would be the most logical step. The best course is to pursue the active partner, because as it stands, the lurker partner doesn't make for a good hunt.
If we are just going to cross-vote, Nectar, I'm going to hold off on voting for a while. The day's only just begun, after all. In the meantime, we should trade opinions on the rest of town, in order to determine the lurker among mafia.
From what I got from Foolio dying, the Mafia are after active players, easy win that way. That means the last standing active player is Mafia or both members are lurkers. I'm saying this because I want everyone to know how they're most likely trying to win so we can counteract that. Can the Mafia trip us up by killing lurkers? Yes, but that would give us the advantage. So, is keeping Townie Nectar or Townie Harvady alive
worth risk losing? Let me just say to the Mafia, YES, you will be shooting yourself in the foot keeping us alive. This is basically an open letter to the Mafia to continue on the kill active player course or you'll be busted by one of us.With Day 2 decided between Harvady and me and the one who doesn't get boxed dying, I'm focusing on Day 3. If the mafia kill the non-boxed Harv or Nec, RELEASE MRS. ICEBURG! That should be obvious but I want to be clear that should be done.
That being said, whoever goes in the box today will be the one getting outted first. So…
Wooden Giraffe: Whose alignment do you want to know most? Second person you want to know?
Trap: Whose alignment do you want to know most? Second person you want to know?
Shuhan: Whose alignment do you want to know most? Second person you want to know?
Red: Whose alignment do you want to know most? Second person you want to know?
Galaxy: Whose alignment do you want to know most? Second person you want to know?
Harvady: Whose alignment do you want to know most? Second person you want to know?My answer is Harvady with Wooden being second.
Is this under the assumption that Iceburg was mafia or town? (Or does it not matter?)
Both. Either way, the Mafia will look like they're helping.
NNID: jervinnectar
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I'd like to know why im crushing your soul this time Harvady, but I guess I wouldn't be doing my job unless I disappoint someone. I've made my intentions clear from the get go, the only person I trust to glean any info from the box is myself.
Its nice that Nectar is deciding to go after Harvady since im obviously next on his hit list, why he's not pressing me is an interesting question that I wouldn't mind having answered.
Harvady seems intent on getting people to vote right away, although he explained his actions at least well enough for me to see he just wants the town to get off our collective asses.
I got a few more notes but I just woke up, ill post them in a few
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Galaxy: Whose alignment do you want to know most? Second person you want to know?
I want to know Harvady's alignment. He's my only playing suspect at this time.
Miss Iceburg is my second choice. Something just seemed off about her on the previous day.
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Its nice that Nectar is deciding to go after Harvady since im obviously next on his hit list, why he's not pressing me is an interesting question that I wouldn't mind having answered.
Harvady targeting me distracted me and I'm trying to develop a plan since I'll most likely be boxed or killed soon. Also, Harvady seems to be leaning on you being Town so if I get his alignment I'll know whether or not he's just protecting you.
Now let me ask you this: Do you think Mrs. Iceburg should be released first? Are you, on Day 2, still willing to be boxed? Keep in mind, at this point the person getting boxed today will be outted.
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This is a good theory. It sounds great. But what in this game has given you the idea that this theory applies here? I'm genuinely curious, actually. Our past few games have had double-lurker mafia, and we've had games where all the mafia members were active.
This theory works best in a 'vanilla' game. Nine players, no more than two powers. The setup is contained enough to where mafia can split up but still be caught.
Both you and Neccie have already brought up that this is interchangeably valid for both of you. I agree with this line of argument. It'll take some time switching you guys around but this seems like a decent plan to KIV for now.
I'm currently working under the pretense that Mrs. Iceburg is town. If she's mafia, then it would more likely mean that me and Nectar are both town.
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Harvady: Whose alignment do you want to know most? Second person you want to know?
Mrs. Iceburg followed by trappedolphin.
Mrs. Iceburg would prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt, your alignment. No one else is connected enough to make a similar deduction. trappedolphin is tied for the least votes, so she is more of a mystery to me than the others.
I'd like to know why im crushing your soul this time Harvady, but I guess I wouldn't be doing my job unless I disappoint someone. I've made my intentions clear from the get go, the only person I trust to glean any info from the box is myself.
That's fair, but the box is our lynch. If you are town, you don't want to waste town's opportunity to lynch mafia. If you're mafia, going into the box is the only way that you'd lose. It seems counter-intuitive to your win condition.
Harvady targeting me distracted me and I'm trying to develop a plan since I'll most likely be boxed or killed soon.
When I initiated this confrontation between us I knew that I'd be essentially giving lurkers a free ride for the day. But town's best shot is getting a mafia in the box before D3, where we'd hit a theoretical LYLO. Without at least one right lynch, we'll never even see a report.
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Vote Count: With seven alive it takes four to lynch. Red Hawk [1]: trappedolphin Nectar [2]: Harvady Alumnus, Shuhan Shuhan [1]: Nectar Not Voting: Red Hawk, Galaxy 9000,Wooden Giraffe______
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Trapped, I removed my vote because Harvady explained himself. I'm quite confused about this, however. Since Miss Iceburg was lynched, she's dead, right? Or is she boxed in? These rules are quite confusing.
The alignment that I would like to know the most is Harvady Alumnus and the second is the trappeddolphin. Harvady seems to be replacing Foolioo in good discussions but something seems off. I can't say. As for trappeddolphin, you voted for me purely on my actions which is kinda sketchy.
As for now, I will put no vote until I am certain
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Harvady, then Woody. The former because I generally agree that there was most likely one mafia on the Iceburg wagon yesterday; it's nearly interchangeable with Nectar for now though. Woody because he seems to be posting just enough to not be lurker. His posts are meaningful but it's hard to glean a strong vibe from them.
@Red:
Trapped, I removed my vote because Harvady explained himself. I'm quite confused about this, however. Since Miss Iceburg was lynched, she's dead, right? Or is she boxed in? These rules are quite confusing.
The alignment that I would like to know the most is Harvady Alumnus and the second is the trappeddolphin. Harvady seems to be replacing Foolioo in good discussions but something seems off. I can't say. As for trappeddolphin, you voted for me purely on my actions which is kinda sketchy.
As for now, I will put no vote until I am certain
No one who gets lynched is completely dead, in the sense that they can be released if two people are in there and we want to lynch another.
Uhhh you think I'm sketchy because I voted for you based on your actions? Assuming that's true, people's actions ARE one of the things we use to scumhunt. What do you suggest we vote based on, if not the things that people do and say?
And certain of what? That was a pretty filler post.
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Shushu, would you be willing to vote for Harvady or Nectar to get boxed in today? What do you think about the disadvantages of boxing in an active player versus a less active one? (This is a question. I'm not suggesting an alternative plan now.)
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@Red:
Trapped, I removed my vote because Harvady explained himself.
Sorry, could you be more specific? Did you vote for Harvady because you thought him requesting votes was suspicious or because you wanted him to explain?
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Sorry, could you be more specific? Did you vote for Harvady because you thought him requesting votes was suspicious or because you wanted him to explain?
I voted Harvady because his request for votes were out of the ordinary. However, his explanation was good enough to explain his request.
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There are other questions in my post, if you would please. :)
Handsome man save me from the monsters.
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I'd like to know why im crushing your soul this time Harvady, but I guess I wouldn't be doing my job unless I disappoint someone. I've made my intentions clear from the get go, the only person I trust to glean any info from the box is myself.
Its nice that Nectar is deciding to go after Harvady since im obviously next on his hit list, why he's not pressing me is an interesting question that I wouldn't mind having answered.
Harvady seems intent on getting people to vote right away, although he explained his actions at least well enough for me to see he just wants the town to get off our collective asses.
I got a few more notes but I just woke up, ill post them in a few
I answered your question but you never answered mine. "In a few", huh? Seems like your stalling. Here's another question: Do you read every post before posting yourself? If not, why?
Btw, If you only post again to jump on a wagon Wooden I will not be happy with you.
NNID: jervinnectar
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Harvady targeting me distracted me and I'm trying to develop a plan since I'll most likely be boxed or killed soon. Also, Harvady seems to be leaning on you being Town so if I get his alignment I'll know whether or not he's just protecting you.
Now let me ask you this: Do you think Mrs. Iceburg should be released first? Are you, on Day 2, still willing to be boxed? Keep in mind, at this point the person getting boxed today will be outted.
If it is the will of the town, Iceburg could be released first…but if I were boxed with her, I'd still feel the same way. And today? My vote speaks volumes for how I feel about being boxed.
@Harvady:
That's fair, but the box is our lynch. If you are town, you don't want to waste town's opportunity to lynch mafia. If you're mafia, going into the box is the only way that you'd lose. It seems counter-intuitive to your win condition.
It may be counter-intuitive, but the chance to use a cop-like ability would be very beneficial coupled with scum hunting.
Shushu, would you be willing to vote for Harvady or Nectar to get boxed in today? What do you think about the disadvantages of boxing in an active player versus a less active one? (This is a question. I'm not suggesting an alternative plan now.)
I'd be more inclined to vote Nectar if I wanted to vote someone other than me. If we box in an active player, be they mafia or town, it could cripple our town until they were freed. Mainly because talking gets slip ups and like Harvady said before, if we are stagnent, then it could only hurt the town.
I answered your question but you never answered mine. "In a few", huh? Seems like your stalling. Here's another question: Do you read every post before posting yourself? If not, why?
Btw, If you only post again to jump on a wagon Wooden I will not be happy with you.
I apologize for not answering in a timely matter, I had another game to think about at the moment and had to work on that one a little more. However, my answer is in this post for ya. as for your question now, I don't think I have to answer that. Oh and until I am satisfied, I won't change my vote…but I would love to tick Woody off~
And so here is my second bit of notes:
Red Hawk: Simply put, a follower, not a scum hunter. His vote today give into this notion. He has yet to show a mind of his own.
Trappy: just asked a few questions so she is making somewhat of an effort, but what she has planned is yet to be seen.
Gotta refresh myself on Woody and Galaxy's posts to really get them.
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About 35 hours left.
Handsome man save me from the monsters.
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If it is the will of the town, Iceburg could be released first…but if I were boxed with her, I'd still feel the same way. And today? My vote speaks volumes for how I feel about being boxed.
It may be counter-intuitive, but the chance to use a cop-like ability would be very beneficial coupled with scum hunting.
It comes to this:
If I think you're town, then why would I waste a lynch on you?
If I think you're mafia, then why would I ever let you out?What possible benefit is there for town to go along with this plan?
Vote Lynch: Nectar
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If it is the will of the town, Iceburg could be released first…but if I were boxed with her, I'd still feel the same way. And today? My vote speaks volumes for how I feel about being boxed.
You aren't making sense. You KNOW the person we box today will be outted and you're wasting it on yourself? You are causing confusion.
It may be counter-intuitive, but the chance to use a cop-like ability would be very beneficial coupled with scum hunting.
The chance to use a cop-like abilty efficiently would be very beneficial. If you are Town, you are knowing wasting a cop report on yourself. You're better than that, you understand what's going on, you have no excuse.
I'd be more inclined to vote Nectar if I wanted to vote someone other than me. If we box in an active player, be they mafia or town, it could cripple our town until they were freed. Mainly because talking gets slip ups and like Harvady said before, if we are stagnent, then it could only hurt the town.
The person getting boxed Today will be outted! This is a critical lynch!
I apologize for not answering in a timely matter, I had another game to think about at the moment and had to work on that one a little more. However, my answer is in this post for ya. as for your question now, I don't think I have to answer that. Oh and until I am satisfied, I won't change my vote…but I would love to tick Woody off~
You voted for Mrs. Iceburg when you didn't need to on Day One so you weren't counting votes. And you seem to be skimming post Today too.
Here's what I think: You are the Mafioso that's supposed to offer himself as the Cop to the Town to gain trust but that doesn't work on Day 2. The Town has made a point to explain how important this Day is and you're still playing the self-sacrifice card?
Unvote
Vote Lynch: ShuhanYou should've thought your role out more.
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Galaxy, Red Hawk, and Woody have not yet voted. Are you guys planning to vote today? Do you intend to help town get a lynch today? Right now four names have been brought up as possibilities or as votes: Harvady, Nectar, Shushu, and Red Hawk. Planning to join one of these wagons?
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And now I'm fully satisfied
unvote
Vote Lynch: NectarYou are easily distracted when people seem to be protecting people, that's not like you. When you claim to have someone on your list, you never let go, but you let me go for a little while to try and cast probable doubt, playing two fields.
out of the possible people that could be mafia, you seem to me to be a perfect "active" townie.
there is a reason I outed myself as a ninny…but I thank you for giving me more credit than I actually deserve.
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And now I'm fully satisfied
unvote
Vote Lynch: NectarYou are easily distracted when people seem to be protecting people, that's not like you. When you claim to have someone on your list, you never let go, but you let me go for a little while to try and cast probable doubt, playing two fields.
out of the possible people that could be mafia, you seem to me to be a perfect "active" townie.
there is a reason I outed myself as a ninny…but I thank you for giving me more credit than I actually deserve.
As for not acting the way I used to, you're right. I don't play the exact same way I did especially with a smaller game like this. You were never my only suspect, just my top at the time. Then it became Harvady VS Me and that's fine because the longer we live the bigger the chance one of us is scum and the one boxed gets cleared or busted. Then you came back on top for continuing to self-lynch, a scummy thing to do when you know it's important to box a Mafioso on Day 2.
But, this was all a trap right? The ole Act Scummy And Get Lynched Trick? Lynch this guy people.
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Galaxy, Red Hawk, and Woody have not yet voted. Are you guys planning to vote today? Do you intend to help town get a lynch today? Right now four names have been brought up as possibilities or as votes: Harvady, Nectar, Shushu, and Red Hawk. Planning to join one of these wagons?
We have less than 24 hours left. I honestly didn't expect more than two wagons today, but so be it.
trappedolphin, I thought you weren't trying to scatter the wagons. If this an extended gambit, then I don't know who it was meant for. With only one-third of our time left, I'm just going to ask for votes again.
But, this was all a trap right? The ole Act Scummy And Get Lynched Trick? Lynch this guy people.
Nectar, I don't know what kind of scheme Shuhan's running, but I won't be deviating from my initial plan. If he does somehow end up in the box, I'll make you a deal to keep him in there. I would still prefer you today, though.
One reason for this, is due to the worst-case scenario that comes to mind. You see, the ideal for the mafia is to have both players outside the box on D3 to force LYLO.
However, this mechanic allows mafia the chance to regain a partner, and it allows town the chance to undo a Mislynch. The best way for mafia to utilize this, is to have one of them be lynched on D1:
Day One: Mrs. Iceburg is boxed, Foolio dies. = 1:6 ratio
Day Two: Villager is boxed, Villager dies. = 1:4 ratio
Day Three: Villager is boxed, Mrs. Iceburg is unboxed, Villager dies = 2:2 ratioThis scenario means that on D1, Mrs. Iceburg was thrown under the bus with the intent of being brought back on N3. The people who voted her were as follows:
Nectar, Foolio, Harvady Alumnus, Mrs. Iceburg, Wooden_Giraffe.
I hated that Mrs. Iceburg had to vote herself, but when I thought about it, there was the possibility that it was planned this way. A very small possibility mind you.Foolio dies, I know it isn't me, that leaves Nectar and Wooden. Wooden hammered, but Nectar started the wagon. This plan requires initiative, meaning that the earlier vote is more likely the partner.
If I'm wrong about them, I can rule out this scenario, guaranteeing that they aren't mafia together.
If I'm right about them, we win.
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Ugh, Red Hawk still hasn't replied. Then forget my pressurevote, sorry guys. I've been wanting to lay down a vote on Harvady according to the plan. But now Nectar has switched to Shushu so I'd still be scattering the wagon =.=
I don't really feel like voting for Nectar, who has been actively trying to scumhunt in the midst of everything. So I'm willing to vote for either Shushu or Harvady. More inclined towards the first now…
**Unvote
Vote lynch: Shuhan**
I'm still going to be around to change my vote if necessary. We HAVE to achieve a lynch today, guys.
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Sorry... I didn't quite see that Nectar has the most votes on him now. With the time we have left, I guess this is the most efficient.
**Unvote
Vote lynch: Nectar**
L-1, so make sure you say everything you have to guys
Handsome man save me from the monsters.
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With time running out, it is best to go for the person for the one who has the most votes. This might sounds like following other people but I agree with trapped's logic.
Vote Lynch: Nectar
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@Red:
With time running out, it is best to go for the person for the one who has the most votes. This might sounds like following other people but I agree with trapped's logic.
Vote Lynch: Nectar
Since you're online and we still have a bit of time (hopefully), would you mind responding to my earlier post?
Handsome man save me from the monsters.
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Vote Count: _With seven alive it takes four to lynch.
_______Nectar [[COLOR=#ff0000]4]: Harvady Alumnus, Shu__han, trappedolphin, Red Hawk Shuhan [1]: Nectar Not Voting: Galaxy 9000, Wooden Giraffe Lynch has been achieved. Day Two has ended. _The shareholders had already begun the ride high into the troposphere before they'd even made up their minds. Some watched, others spoke. Finally, a sudden decision made the group's will clear. Amazon, Laki and Kamakiri had all begun to approach Pagaya. Before he could react, Conis herself had strapped him into the second harness. Any words of protest he may have had died in his throat.Nola's ascent stopped abruptly, nearly throwing them off its head. Shockingly, McKinley had come bouncing up into the air, dragged by his bungee. He managed to fall back onto Nola, looking surprisingly well for someone who'd been hanging for a full day. He pushed himself up with some difficulty, weakly supporting himself on the railing.
"So? Have we made any progress?"
The mentally exhausted father put an arm around the physically exhausted White Beret and sighed.
"I'm sorry."
Pagaya's gentle pull took both of them off their feet, and hurtling back toward the ground.
"Whoaa-ho-ho!"_ Pagaya has been hung. Now dangling by his feet high above Town, he will no longer be able to move or be heard unless someone has to collect him. He will, however, be able to hang out with McKinley and spend some time getting to know each other. Night Two has begun.
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_Everyone had spent the night sleeping atop the colossal serpent in a desperate attempt to keep them safe from any attacks in the night. Sadly, this did not seem to matter. The daughter of the now deposed Pagaya had died. Town just assumed she felt really bad about what she did and wanted to atone for it. They simply handed her to Nola to be placed in the Lost and Found, respecting her wishes to be dead.
_Red Hawk has died. He was Conis, the Townie. He had no special abilities.Vote Count: With five alive it takes three t______o lynch.
Wooden Giraffe [1]:__ trappedolphin Galaxy 9000 [1]: Harvady Alumnus
Not Voting: Galaxy 9000, Shuhan, Wooden Giraffe__ Release Count: Most votes at lynch secure release___.
Mrs. Iceburg [2]:___ Harvady Alumnus, trappedolphin Not Voting: Galaxy 9000, Shuhan,Wooden Giraffe______ Day Three has begun. You have 72 hours to achieve a lynch. -
Red's dead, not that surprising. A little, but not that much.
Vote Free: Mrs. Iceburg Seeing as the game is still going, Mrs. Iceburg and Nectar are not mafia together. That said, it's still possible that one of them is. Considering that the worst-case scenario was not approached by the mafia, it stands to reason that Mrs. Iceburg is town.
If I continue down the road of the D1 wagon, there is only one person left for me to look at.
On the other hand, I feel that today's flip says something about our lurker mafioso. It's the second time that a wagoner has been killed. I don't usually analyze the kill, but in light of the lack of D1 chatter, looking for connections is as good as any other plan.
This is D3. If we were wrong about both Nectar and Mrs. Iceburg, then this is LYLO. Even if we got one mafia in the box, we still have to be careful not take them out and replace them with a townie. NL is not an option however, because it would mean no report. Town needs that report.
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Well I'm confused about why mafia would kill Red Hawk, actually… I was all ready to vote him today :P Harvy pointed out that he was a wagoner, so maybe mafia thought his vote would be easy for town to get, and didn't want to vote for him.
Vote Free: Mrs Iceburg
Yesterday Nectar declared that if mafia killed him or Harvady last night, we would definitely free Mrs. Iceburg. Yet Harvady didn't die… so I'm thinking that mafia doesn't want Iceburg freed. Not foolproof logic but this does help to convince me that we should free Iceburg today anyway. Plus I would really like that report.
Shushu, how do you feel about Nectar being in the box today, and about to be outted? Do you think it makes sense for you to go in with him?
Galaxy, say something please? Seeing as how you haven't posted for a long time, would you be willing to sheep a lynch vote? Why/why not?
Woody, you said on D1 that it's important for us to pursue our suspects. How crucial do you think today is? Who do you want to put in the box with Nectar?
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Well I'm confused about why mafia would kill Red Hawk, actually… I was all ready to vote him today :P Harvy pointed out that he was a wagoner, so maybe mafia thought his vote would be easy for town to get, and didn't want to vote for him.
His willingness to vote, I feel is mostly irrelevant. With five left, there are still at least three townies. Most of us are willing to vote for the sake of avoiding the NL. Mafia kills people who town isn't willing to vote. Red was in the middle. He didn't contribute much, but most players who interacted with him didn't have any hostility towards him.
I don't actually know how you were going to pursue Red Hawk. What possible justification would you have for him that beats out Galaxy 9000? Who did you think would vote with you? Your partner?
Vote Free: Mrs Iceburg
Yesterday Nectar declared that if mafia killed him or Harvady last night, we would definitely free Mrs. Iceburg. Yet Harvady didn't die… so I'm thinking that mafia doesn't want Iceburg freed. Not foolproof logic but this does help to convince me that we should free Iceburg today anyway. Plus I would really like that report.
This free vote is no different than a lynch vote in respects to motive. If you are voting Mrs. Iceburg, it means that you believe she is town. Keep that in mind.
Harvady, do you think that Woody should go into the box over you?
That's a given. I'm town. Why would I allow myself to be boxed? Especially when we dealing with a possible LYLO.
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@Harvady:
His willingness to vote, I feel is mostly irrelevant. With five left, there are still at least three townies. Most of us are willing to vote for the sake of avoiding the NL. Mafia kills people who town isn't willing to vote. Red was in the middle. He didn't contribute much, but most players who interacted with him didn't have any hostility towards him.
Oh, I misunderstood then. I still think there could have been better options but it doesn't seem very useful to pursue the question of last night's kill for an extended period. Especially if we've got lurker mafia.
I don't actually know how you were going to pursue Red Hawk. What possible justification would you have for him that beats out Galaxy 9000? Who did you think would vote with you?
Galaxy hasn't been around at all, whereas Red Hawk showed up to post but didn't seem to want to answer any difficult questions, and came in to vote when it was easy, and acknowledged himself that he was copy-pasting my logic. I was basically just going to pursue him for that, but I probably should have said considered instead of vote; was half-asleep still when I posted. I hadn't thought as far as pushing people to vote for him. I might have tried to yesterday but town already had an agenda and leaving the votes scattered till the end would not have helped. Anyway, this is moot now I guess, since Red turned up town.
We've got a couple of theories now, I think? One is that out of the four people who were active on D1, at least one must be mafia. That's Iceburg (boxed), Foolio (dead), Nectar (boxed), and Harvady (still around). If we put Harvady in today, I think we're certain to get at least one guilty report over the next couple of days. The other theory is what Harvady suggested as an unlikely but plausible scenario, that Iceburg was bussed on D1 with the intent of freeing her ASAP. That would suggest that there is a mafia out of Nectar (boxed), Foolio (dead), Harvady Alumnus (still here), and Wooden_Giraffe (still here).
These two theories have two people in common, Nectar and Harvady. Nectar's already in the box so that reinforces my thought that if we box Harvady, we will definitely get an answer. My only hesitation is that if we box Harvady up, we're going to lose an active player… And I don't want to be lonely here
So at the moment I'm considering either Harvady or Woody, since the latter is the only remaining one from the batch. Woody also was one of the two that didn't vote for Nectar yesterday (the other was Galaxy).This post probably has some flaws but I'm currently being distracted by the lure of food so I'm just laying it down now to show some of my thoughts.
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Galaxy hasn't been around at all, whereas Red Hawk showed up to post but didn't seem to want to answer any difficult questions, and came in to vote when it was easy, and acknowledged himself that he was copy-pasting my logic. I was basically just going to pursue him for that, but I probably should have said considered instead of vote; was half-asleep still when I posted. I hadn't thought as far as pushing people to vote for him. I might have tried to yesterday but town already had an agenda and leaving the votes scattered till the end would not have helped. Anyway, this is moot now I guess, since Red turned up town.
I have bolded three reasons mafia might have killed Red. The way you worded this implies that you think Red was a bigger problem than Galaxy.
We've got a couple of theories now, I think? One is that out of the four people who were active on D1, at least one must be mafia. That's Iceburg (boxed), Foolio (dead), Nectar (boxed), and Harvady (still around). If we put Harvady in today, I think we're certain to get at least one guilty report over the next couple of days. The other theory is what Harvady suggested as an unlikely but plausible scenario, that Iceburg was bussed on D1 with the intent of freeing her ASAP. That would suggest that there is a mafia out of Nectar (boxed), Foolio (dead), Harvady Alumnus (still here), and Wooden_Giraffe (still here).
These two theories have two people in common, Nectar and Harvady. Nectar's already in the box so that reinforces my thought that if we box Harvady, we will definitely get an answer. My only hesitation is that if we box Harvady up, we're going to lose an active player… And I don't want to be lonely here
So at the moment I'm considering either Harvady or Woody, since the latter is the only remaining one from the batch. Woody also was one of the two that didn't vote for Nectar yesterday (the other was Galaxy).…both of the above theories were mine actually. Nectar was the first to theorize that Mafia was on the Iceburg wagon, though. Just not for the same reason I did.
This post probably has some flaws but I'm currently being distracted by the lure of food so I'm just laying it down now to show some of my thoughts.
What kind of food? Is it…italian?
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I was wording it that way because you asked why I would have pursued Red over Galaxy, haha.
It was Chinese~ But maybe I'll get some Italian food later today :D
It feels like we're the only two people playing now. =.= Would you be okay with voting Wooden, Harvady? I don't exactly feel like trying to convince you to vote for yourself haha, and Woody is the other best option in my head now.
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I was wording it that way because you asked why I would have pursued Red over Galaxy, haha.
Just saying that you didn't spend many words on Galaxy.
It was Chinese~ But maybe I'll get some Italian food later today :D
I hope so.
It feels like we're the only two people playing now. =.= Would you be okay with voting Wooden, Harvady? I don't exactly feel like trying to convince you to vote for yourself haha, and Woody is the other best option in my head now.
Heh. The thing is, we've come this far working on theory, not scumhunting. D1 had so little talk about players, that running on principle and policy was the only way to come to a decision. Now that we're here, we can't ignore the failings of town.
Galaxy 9000 has posted five times, and never without provocation. He's never voted, and when asked about suspects, he named the two people who voted him D1.
trappedolphin, I need you to answer all of these questions: We're nearly halfway through the day, so this is kinda important.Do you think that Mrs. Iceburg is innocent?
Do you think that Nectar is innocent?
How would you go after me?
If I am Mafia, who is my partner?
Are there two mafia in this group of five?
What does mafia need to do today?
Why didn't you vote on D1?
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@Harvady:
trappedolphin, I need you to answer all of these questions:
1. Do you think that Mrs. Iceburg is innocent?
2. Do you think that Nectar is innocent?
3. How would you go after me?
4. If I am Mafia, who is my partner?
5. Are there two mafia in this group of five?
6. What does mafia need to do today?
7. Why didn't you vote on D1?
8. Who are the two mafia?1. Looking back now, I think some of the ideas she suggested were strange, but she gave in to what town wanted to do in the end; if she hadn't voted, we might not have been able to reach a lynch and that would have dragged things out to town's disadvantage. I don't see her now as being significantly suspicious, which is why I'm willing to release her to find out more.
2. If he's guilty, then he was really bold to put himself into jail where Iceburg would find out his alignment. At first yesterday when he said either you or he would have to be boxed I had him more on my town radar. But then he suddenly switched to Shushu with no word on whether he planned to stick with the aforementioned plan or why he suddenly wanted to vote based on the suspicion he said he had, instead of the theory he agreed with. So that seemed a little opportunistic to me.
3. With burning stakes and rampaging cattle
Hmm. You haven't done much that is truly deserving of suspicion, and you're certainly the most active player left. I imagine that mafia at this point would be trying to be as inactive as possible, to give themselves time for more free kills. If I had to, I would probably go after you because you fit into those theories that you brought up, and you could be thinking that if you bring up something that town is bound to realise, you'll look better and more helpful.4. You've been rather dismissive of Shushu as a suspect - like "he's strange but I don't think he's mafia" - so if I had to pick someone out as your scumbuddy, I would probably go with him.
5. The group of five means you, me, Woody, Shushu, and Galaxy, right? Hmm… I guess it could be you and Shushu, like I just said. If it were you and Woody, then when I asked you if you would put Woody in the box over you then you would likely have tried to reroute me immediately. If Galaxy is mafia, then the other mafia is probably someone active. That's you, me, Nectar, and Ice. Odds are 50/50 but I doubt it's you since you've been trying to point me towards Galaxy. I guess it could be me since I "tried" to made it seem like RH was worse than Galaxy but if that was my game plan for today, why would I have killed RH, one of the people close to lurker status with my hypothetical "scumbuddy"? If it were you and me, we'd be pretty silly for bothering to converse so much here with nobody watching. I don't know, trying to think of possible combinations is getting tiring... It could be Woody/Shushu, Woody/Galaxy, you/Shushu, me/Shushu... Bah. But if we believe there to be two mafia left then I'm on board with lynching an inactive player today.
6. That depends on whether there's a mafia in the box or not, and if so, whether it's Ice or Nectar. If there's no mafia in the box, or if it is Nectar (on the assumption that we're going to free Iceburg), they probably want to slow things down to ensure that there's no lynch, so that Ice won't be freed and can't give us her report. If the mafia is Ice then they most likely would be fighting to free Ice today, and also probably would be trying to rush a vote. Yet no one has lynch-voted yet today, maybe that's significant... I don't know. I think that regardless, mafia would be urgently trying to lie low to avoid going in the box today. If there's two mafia left and one goes in, their numbers will be cut in half and it will be that much harder to win, when they're so close. If there's one left and they go into the box in place of the townie, they lose. So if I were mafia, I would probably be trying to play it safe today.
7. To be honest, I just didn't have a lot of free time on D1 :P
8. Twiddledee and Twiddledum. I tried to put more effort into giving a good answer here, but it's hard. If I knew, this day would be going a lot easier…
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Guh... I'm sorry, you probably have more to say and I'm totally willing to keep talking, but it's been 36 hours with next to nothing. So for now I'm going to place a vote before I forget or something, since I might be really busy tomorrow. We simply won't get anything if we don't lynch today. So in line with what I said earlier,
Vote lynch: Wooden Giraffe
Unlike the impression I've been giving, I do think Galaxy is also voteworthy. You had a very good point of him posting only when provoked, it was just a pattern I've always seen in him even in games where he was town so I didn't find it to be enough to pursue at the time. I assume your stance towards Shushu is the same as it was yesterday. Also, why do we bother with hidden text when we're the only ones here? XD
Hopefully the other three will show up soon to do more. TBH I can't think of anymore questions for you Harvady XD Other than asking you to answer all those questions you asked me, but that would be unoriginal… Though you could certainly do that, would be interesting. I also look forward to Iceburg's report tomorrow. -
Guh… I'm sorry, you probably have more to say and I'm totally willing to keep talking, but it's been 36 hours with next to nothing. So for now I'm going to place a vote before I forget or something, since I might be really busy tomorrow. We simply won't get anything if we don't lynch today. So in line with what I said earlier,
Hopefully the other three will show up soon to do more. TBH I can't think of anymore questions for you Harvady XD Other than asking you to answer all those questions you asked me, but that would be unoriginal... Though you could certainly do that, would be interesting. I also look forward to Iceburg's report tomorrow.
Optimistic aren't ya?
There isn't much more for me to say. I've been thinking about every combination of mafia and the consequences of this lynch and voting, and it's just not a good idea for me to think anymore.
I will answer those questions, though.
1. Do you think that Mrs. Iceburg is innocent? (Yes. The probability is high enough for me to believe outright.)
2. Do you think that Nectar is innocent? (No. I wouldn't have pushed for him otherwise.)
3. How would you go after me? (I'd convince town that you were hiding your suspects by only ever wagon-ing. It's what Foolio and Red had in common when they died. They didn't have any suspects. You're the same, but you aren't dead on top of being more active.)
4. If I am Mafia, who is my partner? (You're partner is Galaxy 9000. He's extremely scummy but you still advocate Wooden over him.)
5. Are there two mafia in this group of five? (It would explain why no one's here.)
6. What does mafia need to do today? (Not show up. A NL will prevent a report, and in the event of a true LYLO, win the game for 'em.)
7. Why didn't you vote on D1? (I did. It's important to lynch everyday to ensure the first report on D4. Even if I didn't want it to be Mrs. Iceburg.)
8. Who are the two mafia? (The only combination that validates my theories and actions is Nectar and Galaxy 9000.) Question Eight is one of those questions that you have to answer even though you know that you can be completely wrong. Haha. -
Vote Lynch: Galaxy 9000
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It's probably too late now but I still want to do my best to move this forward.
**Unvote
Vote lynch: Galaxy 9000**
Since we both more or less believe that Iceburg is most likely town, freeing her to get her report seems like something that will give us results. And if someone else comes on please, please help.
Handsome man save me from the monsters.
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I am incredibly sorry I havent been on for the past two days…
for now, ill put this down
vote free: Mrs Iceburg
And to answer your question Trappy, I feel pretty good that Nectar is in the box, he was one of my suspects so I do want to know his alignment. At this point though, as much as I wanted to go it, its too late now. If we are truly at LYLO then I can't put myself up anymore
