Nobodyman & Sarfellet = thanks for the info! :)
Arlong Park (re)watches sci-fi shows
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Uuuugh, yes. I got confused because they both have three letters in their names. Which of course makes their names pretty much identical! :getlost:
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Uuuugh, yes. I got confused because they both have three letters in their names. Which of course makes their names pretty much identical! :getlost:
You still did better than me! I knew the brother had short name but couldn't think of it at all …and forgot Quark had a nephew. But as soon as I read that I started to remember a vague image of Jake and his friend.
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You still did better than me! I knew the brother had short name but couldn't think of it at all …and forgot Quark had a nephew. But as soon as I read that I started to remember a vague image of Jake and his friend.
But I'm watching the show right now… Hahaha. :) I should be able to tell them apart when I heard their names used just a few minutes before I posted. >__>
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But I'm watching the show right now… Hahaha. :) I should be able to tell them apart when I heard their names used just a few minutes before I posted. >__>
pfft okay you do beat me…
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Watching the final episode of TNG now. What a marvelous ride it has been.
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Absolutely beautiful. I'll post a review of Season 7 tomorrow, and then my thoughts on the entire series.
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TNG Season 7
What a fine season this was to go out on. Yes, as Robby said, it did get kinda meh during the last few episodes (Not-Egyptian artifacts cluttering the Enterprise? The Enterprise crew devolving? Native Americans in space?), but I thought the first half was pretty strong. In fact, that kind of makes it anomaly amongst the series in that I think this was the only season where its first half was better than its second half.
But anyway, as I said previously in this thread, this season, naturally, wrapped up a bunch of loose ends and had some climactic character development. I also noticed this season appeared to have a recurring theme of children not following in their parents footsteps, between Wesley, Alexander, and Picard bringing up memories of his father (heck, even in DS9, Jake recently confessed that he didn't want to join Star Fleet).
And of course we get the spectacular series finale with "All Good Things…", and while I do feel it really could have served as any other episode in the shows run, it was still very well-written and was a great final episode. Oh, and of course we get to see the great John DeLancie as Q one last time. And that final scene with Picard joining the rest of the crew in their poker game is just pure poetry. What a fantastic end to a fantastic series.
Comments:
-Interesting that Geordi's family's never really come up before. Shame the episode itself was kind of dull.
-Huh. I just learned that young Kirsten Dunst was in "Dark Page." Learn something new every day.
-Man, "Lower Decks" had a real bummer ending. I mean, I know it's all part of the risks of joining Star Fleet, but still, damn.
-A romance between Worf and Troi? That was kind of weird thing to introduce and subsequently tease us with for the final season. But it was still cute.
-Back to those loose ends I was talking about, they finally paid off that Traveler/Wesley subplot from Season 1. Frankly, I think that's a plot point they could have gone without ever bringing up again.
-After pretty much a whole season of nothing, the tail end of Season 7 actually did some DS9 crossovers with Quark and The Maquis. Neat.
-Kinda lame that Jason Vigo didn't turn out to be Picard's son (though I guess he's his son in spirit?). It also made Bok's (hey, another Season 1 callback) plan pretty convoluted.Favorite Episodes:
Liaisons
Phantasms
Inheritance
Parallels
The Pegasus
Thine Own Self
Firstborn
All Good Things…And that is that. 'Twas a great ride, and I'll miss the Next Generation Enterprise crew (though I still have the movies to watch). I'll post my thoughts on the entire series later and my review of DS9 Season 2 once I finish it.
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Oh, and of course we get to see the great John DeLancie as Q one last time.
Yes. One… last time.
Absolutely. He never played the role again, quite true. He left on a high note. Yes.
And that final scene with Picard joining the rest of the crew in their poker game is just pure poetry. What a fantastic end to a fantastic series.
And I'm sure that now the "final" episode of Nostalgia Critic makes far more sense!
-A romance between Worf and Troi? That was kind of weird thing to introduce and subsequently tease us with for the final season. But it was still cute.
That was one of those "well, its the last season and we're out of ideas" things. It does help segue to DS9 however.
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@RobbyBevard:
Yes. One… last time.
Absolutely. He never played the role again, quite true. He left on a high note. Yes.
Well, I meant within the span of TNG alone.
But I do see he made a few appearances in Voyager. Well, I'm sure he gave the best performance he could, and the writers gave him some…...decent material to work with, and, uh.....well...uh.......................that bad huh?
But yeah, de Lancie was definitely channeling Q in his portayal of Discord.
And I'm sure that now the "final" episode of Nostalgia Critic makes far more sense!
I went ahead and watched the final scene of TNG shortly after that episode aired so I could get the reference. Doesn't make it any less beautiful the second time, and in context.
That was one of those "well, its the last season and we're out of ideas" things. It does help segue to DS9 however.
What does Worf and Troi have to do with DS9?
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But I do see he made a few appearances in Voyager. Well, I'm sure he gave the best performance he could, and the writers gave him some…...decent material to work with, and, uh.....well...uh.......................that bad huh?
3 eps that ranged from tolerable to downright awful contradiction of everything. Delancie was still fine, but the eps were not.
What does Worf and Troi have to do with DS9?
Growth for Worf and how he interacts with other people.
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@RobbyBevard:
Growth for Worf and how he interacts with other people.
Gah! Keep forgetting he joins the cast in Season 4.
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DS9 Season 2
A pretty good season all around. Not a huge improvement over Season 1, but still an improvement. This season definitely made me more invested in the characters and gave them a good amount of development, particularly Kira and Odo. Heck, I think even Bashir might be starting to grow on me. Plot-wise, it still feels like they're setting up the story to come later, what with the introduction of the Dominion and the Maquis, and there wasn't a whole lot of progression on the Bajoran/Cardassian conflict. Again, most of the episodes were pretty episodic and even most the Cardassian/Bajoran episodes focused on some nefarious plan of the week that (I assume) doesn't go anywhere. All the same, a real solid season.
Comments:
-Garak continues to be an insanely amusing side character, and The Wire gave him some real depth that had been missing from character. Can't to see where they go with him.
-On the subject of Cardassians, Dukat is shaping up to be a spectacular villain. The Maquis two-parter was the best we've seen from him yet.
-Between "Armageddon Game", "Whispers", and "Tribunal", O'Brien had some pretty sweet episodes this season.
-I think "Blood Oath" was the best development Dax received to date. All the other Dax episodes to focus more on the eccentricities of the Trill, but this one focused more on her character.
-Return to the mirror universe from TOS? Now why couldn't TNG have done something interesting like that in the first season when they were recycling old ideas from TOS? That being said, I do feel "Crossover" squandered some of its potential, but it wasn't bad.
-The Jem'Hadar was really interesting in that it looked like it was going to be a light-hearted relief episode, but then it ended up being totally plot-heavy, gave us the reveal of the Dominion, and left us on a great cliffhanger.
-Quark is great. I dunno, I just feel I need to say that as often as possible.Favorite Episodes:
Necessary Evil
The Alternate
Armageddon Game
Paradise
Shadowplay
Blood Oath
The Maquis, parts I and II
The Wire
The Jem'HadarWell, next up is Season 3, the season where (I believe) Sisko grows his beard, so hopefully the show will start to get really good then. But it'll be a little while before I find out, since I've decided to take another break from Star Trek (5 seasons in a month and a half? What am I, a machine?). Maybe I'll watch some of the Star Trek films in the mean time, now that they're on Netflix.
Oh, and I'll post my thoughts on TNG overall in a day or two.
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This season definitely made me more invested in the characters and gave them a good amount of development, particularly Kira and Odo. Heck, I think even Bashir might be starting to grow on me.
I told you man, I told you. :ninja:
-Quark is great. I dunno, I just feel I need to say that as often as possible.
Because you're good folk, that's why.
Well, next up is Season 3, the season where (I believe) Sisko grows his beard, so hopefully the show will start to get really good then.
Yes, but only at a late episode, 22, and it's not a huge change like in TNG. DS9 gets a more analog development in awesomeness.
But it'll be a little while before I find out, since I've decided to take another break from Star Trek (5 seasons in a month and a half? What am I, a machine?).
No! No breaks! ARBETA! ARBE TA! AR BE TA! ("Arbeta" translates to "work"…)
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Well, I ended up putting this off a lot longer than I anticipated. But here it is; my thoughts on the entire TNG series:
[hide]Well, that was Star Trek: The Next Generation, one of the most acclaimed and recognized entries in the Star Trek franchise, perhaps second only to The Original Series. And I'd say it very much lives up to that reputation. No, it's not a perfect series, and it certainly has a few hiccups along the way, mainly in the first two seasons. But as far as I'm concerned, once you get to the third season, it's an awesome ride from there on out.
The show very much succeeded in what it set out to do; that is to provide a modern, up-to-date interpretation (and, in some instances, a continuation) of the original Star Trek series. So how does it compare to TOS? Well, in a way, it's difficult to compare two series that aired 30 years apart from each other, mainly due to changes in the quality of special effects and the pacing and writing of the series. That being said, I found that TOS actually holds up relatively well in the story department, even if it was a little slow and goofy times. And I'm very much forgiving of the less-than-glamorous special effects because, goshdarnit, those guys tried.
Now, from a narrative standpoint, TOS and TNG are pretty much same in that it follows the exploits of a crew of Star Fleet officers on a ship called Enterprise, with the writers providing some political and social commentary amidst the over-the-top goofy space opera setting. Both series are very episodic in that they follow an adventure-of-the-week format, but whereas TOS had almost no continuity between episodes, TNG had some continuing plotlines going on. Now, this isn't necessarily, but it does help create a sense of intimacy with the TNG universe and the characters in it. But aside from these little differences, the two shows are very similar and are easily open to comparison.
So, when it comes right down to it, which series did it better? Well, they're both highly acclaimed series and of course everyone's going to have their own opinion, but as far as I'm concerned, I think I can best sum it up this way: I think TNG had better writing, but TOS had better characters.
Outside of the first two seasons (and heck, even within them at times) TNG had some really top notch writing, in regard to the plotlines, the dialogue, and the drama. And, yes, again they get extra points for having ongoing stories within the larger narrative. TOS also had some top notch writing at times, but it also had a fair number of goofy and (perhaps even worse) repetitive plotlines, a lot of which relied on really convenient and improbable plot devices. However, this isn't to diminish the quality of the writing of TOS, and god knows TNG had its fair share of goofy episodes, but on the whole, I think TNG did it better.
Now, as for the characters, it may seem strange that I would favor TOS over TNG in this regard, considering that 1) TNG had more time to develop its characters and 2) it went out of its way to give members of the cast character-specific story arcs. But the thing is, ultimately, I felt that some of the TNG cast fell kind of flat and weren't totally fleshed out or defined (I'm lookin' at you Troi and Crusher). But wait, couldn't the same also be said for some of the TOS crew? Sulu and Chekhov aren't exactly stunning examples of personality and development. Well, admittedly this is a little something of a je ne sais quoi, but I felt the cast of TOS just had more charm, and it's true that that definitely goes a long way. Maybe they weren't the most fleshed out characters ever, but ultimately felt more connected and intimate with them. And while the cast of TNG played their roles quite well, I don't think they quite captured that charm and edge that the cast of TOS had.
But, if you twist my arm and ask me to choose which one I prefer overall, I'd say TNG comes out just barely ahead. Mainly because it's an easier and more contemporary watch and I won't feel like a total dweeb watching it.
Hmm, I guess thus far this "review" really has been more of a comparison of TOS and TNG. But really, I've already given my opinions on each individual season, so I guess there's not a whole lot else for me to say about the show itself. So I guess I'll just say that TNG was a really fun series to watch, and I wish I had been able to see it during its initial run (sadly, I was but a wee toddler/infant/zygote back then). But watching it on Netflix at my own pace was also a fun experience, and I'm very glad I saw it. I'm sure I'll watch reruns of it again at some point in the future, but after this and DS9 I believe I'll have had my fill of Star Trek for quite some time.
Oh, and I wish there had been more Vulcans.
Characters:
Picard - Our brave captain, and a fine one he turned out to be. Stewart's performance truly evokes the sense of a wise and compassionate captain, with a strong, but not unbreakable will (as seen in Chain of Command. He commands his crew with a firm, but gentle hand. He has the deepest devotion, not only to his duty to Star Fleet, but also to all life in the universe. And, thankfully, he is by no means infallible, as we see him grow and learn from his mistakes. All around, he's a really cool guy. Ultimately, I think I do prefer him over Kirk.
Riker - Riker's a very interesting case for me. He had a lot of cool episodes later on in the series, and he did turn out to be a really likeable character, complete with some badass moments, but I'm not sure he was ever fully realized or defined as a character. Yeah, he had a few character-defining plot points going on, like his relationship with Troi, his dad issues, him taking control of the Enterprise in BoBW, and his history with Admiral O'Quinn, but it never really all came together to tell what his character is. That, and his personality was always kind of subdued. I guess he's sort of like Han Solo if he had been a military man, though not quite as snarky. Oh, and what the heck happened to the continuation of the two Riker's subplot you promised me Robby? Is that going to be explored in the movies?
Data - Data appears to be the series favorite (or at least that's my impression) and it's easy to see why. One could say that he's the Spock of this series, what with his emotionless nature, but he also some other interesting angles to him. Him being the only one of his kind, aside from his evil brother, his desire to change his emotionless "inhuman" state, and it being somewhat debatable whether he's even "alive" all make him a very sympathetic character. His emotionless robot mentality gags and him missing the point of things kind of stopped being funny after a while, but his dramatic moments stayed pretty solid throughout the whole run. I'd have to say he's one of my favorite Star Trek characters.
Troi - Boy howdy. Troi was a fairly interesting character with unique role, but in retrospect, almost every episode centered on her was gender-specific. It's pretty obvious the writers didn't really know how to write for her, so they more-or-less made her the token "girl" character. Whether it was being in a relationship, molestation, pregnancy, or being a catty bitch, almost every Troi-centric episode was focused on her identity as a woman. I really liked the episode where she was disguised as a Romulan, because that at least was a testament to her abilities as a Star Fleet officer. But despite all this, her character was actually pretty likeable and had some good groundwork. I just wish they'd taken her in a more interesting direction.
Worf - I'd say Worf just edges out Data as my favorite character in the series. The concept of a Klingon/foreign culture protagonist is played astonishingly well and he has the most definitive and long-lasting character arc of the entire cast. But aside from all that, the guy's just so darn likeable, whether he's being a badass warrior or getting aggravated at what he deems to be nonsense. That, and he's got something of an underdog angle going on, being a fish-out-of-water as the only Klingon on a mostly human vessel and even being shunned by his own kind. If I have one complaint, it's that sometimes he seems a little too hung up on Klingon honor and values, despite the fact that he's supposed to be a more liberal Klingon. But it's just a fairly minor nitpick of what is otherwise a great character.
Crusher - Ultimately, her character was just kind of flat and didn't really go anywhere. Sure, she had Wesley and that sort-of relationship with Picard (which, again, wasn't really explored or developed that much, and was actually kinda weird), but there just wasn't a whole lot to her character. She had a few kind of good episodes and she was likeable enough, but nothing about her really stood out. Probably the weakest of the main cast.
Geordi - Geordi worked great as a light-hearted sort-of comic relief character, but he was kind of lacking development. That, and the episodes that focused on him generally weren't that great. Sure, some of them were, but even then he usually had to share the spotlight with someone. And again, this is character who wasn't totally defined. I wish they had focused a bit more on his backstory, perhaps his struggle with his blindness, to give his a character a little more depth. But his charm and approachability shined through, making him one heck of a likeable character.
Wesley - Well, despite the overwhelming hatred for this character and that, admittedly, he started off as a privileged obnoxious twerp and departed on a pretty sour note, I really didn't mind him that much. Sure, he's not a great character, but he had some good moments and, hey, First Duty is one of my favorite episodes, so…
Tasha - Again, it really would've been interesting to see what they would have done with her character had Crosby stayed on the show. I was glad when her character got something of a salvation and "second chance" in Yesterday's Enterprise, but then it was later revealed she just got knocked up by a Romulan and died miserably anyway. Even the subplot with her Romulan daughter didn't go anywhere. So yeah, ultimately that was a pretty disappointing conclusion for her character.Q - Oh John de Lancie. It's just not fair that you don't get more work (or at least not more notable work). His character was definitely a highlight of the show, and it was always fun anticipating the next Q episode, even if the ones that weren't exactly stellar.
Guinan - This was a really fun character and Whoopi Goldberg played here really well. But where the hell did she go after the 5th season? She couldn't even show up for the finale?
Barclay - A definitive underdog. I just have to love him.Absolute Favorite Episodes
Heart of Glory
Conspiracy
Q Who
The Survivors
Deja Q
Yesterday's Enterprise
Hollow Pursuits
Best of Both Worlds
First Contact
Darmok
Cause and Effect
The First Duty
Chain of Command, Part II
Frame of Mind
Descent
Parallels
Thine Own Self
All Good Things…P.S. I'm currently watching Reboot for the first time on Netflix. The only have the first two seasons up, so that's 23 episodes. Once I'm done with that, I'll probably finish up DS9. So, you can expect me to start again maybe in July.[/hide]
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Oh, and what the heck happened to the continuation of the two Riker's subplot you promised me Robby? Is that going to be explored in the movies?
DS9.
Guinan - This was a really fun character and Whoopi Goldberg played here really well. But where the hell did she go after the 5th season? She couldn't even show up for the finale?
She was busy on other projects. She manages to show up in the movies. Well, the 7th one at least, I don't recall if she was in the others.
P.S. I'm currently watching Reboot for the first time on Netflix. The only have the first two seasons up, so that's 23 episodes.
Be warned, season 2 ends on a cliffhanger. You might actually want to stop after episode 21, and not watch the last two episodes of the season if you aren't going to have any way of getting to season 3. (Though the episodes ARE on youtube.)
Also, its a shame Netflix won't put the rest up, because season 3 is AMAZING. Far above and beyond the best season, no contest. The visuals jumped hugely in quality, they got away from ABC's censorship, and did a season long arc with some crazy twists and a fantastic ending.
Years later season 4 then proceeded to botch it all up and end on a cliffhanger again.
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@RobbyBevard:
She was busy on other projects. She manages to show up in the movies. Well, the 7th one at least, I don't recall if she was in the others.
Speaking of, I actually watched Star Trek: Generations for the first time last weekend. I was a little distracted though as my family was around doing stuff. Still, I liked it pretty well aside from a few moments that made me go "eh?" And then I watched Plinkett's review and….eh, I still like and I think I would still like even on a second viewing.
Be warned, season 2 ends on a cliffhanger. You might actually want to stop after episode 21, and not watch the last two episodes of the season if you aren't going to have any way of getting to season 3. (Though the episodes ARE on youtube.)
Duly noted.
Also, I finished sitting down and watching all of Sonic SATAM for the first time, which really wasn't as good as my nostalgia and the Nostalgia Critic led me to believe.
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I rewatched the first episode of Reboot Season 3 on youtube last night. Wow, I had forgotten what they did once they stopped having BS&P on their backs.
Also, I finished sitting down and watching all of Sonic SATAM for the first time, which really wasn't as good as my nostalgia and the Nostalgia Critic led me to believe.
SATAM holds up pretty well overall, but the first season definitely suffers from being all stand-alone episodes and not really having the world figured out.
Second season suffers from only being 13 episodes instead of 87.
Of course, I had taped it and watched it pretty regularly over the years, so I never had years of nostalgia develop on it, I was always pretty aware of what the show was.
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Ultimately, I think I do prefer him over Kirk.
I can respect this opinion. straps on his six shooter I'll see you at dawn.
Naaah, Picard is cool once you get past the first two seasons.
I never could get rid of the taste of the those two first seasons though… Especially some of the prime directive nonsense made me dislike him(and the series). -
I didn't even realize this was going on, but I've been re-watching TNG this month. I'm at the end of the 3rd season and so far it's even better than I remembered. I don't even remember seeing all these episodes from TV years ago. Every Data episode is gold, especially Measure of a Man (I just love Picard's speech in the end) and The Offspring. First season was quite awkward, but ever since the 2nd season the show has gotten really good.
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I didn't even realize this was going on, but I've been re-watching TNG this month. I'm at the end of the 3rd season and so far it's even better than I remembered. I don't even remember seeing all these episodes from TV years ago. Every Data episode is gold, especially Measure of a Man (I just love Picard's speech in the end) and The Offspring. First season was quite awkward, but ever since the 2nd season the show has gotten really good.
Always great to have another aboard the Star Trek train (or starship as the case may be). By all means, feel free to post your thoughts on your rewatching experience.
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So, I've just started on season six and it's been a great few episodes. I'm gonna put what I'm gonna talk about in spoiler tags, but I'll keep it as non-specific I'm able, so you can probably read it if you aren't the hardest of the hardcore when it comes to anti-spoilers. ;)
! So in the last episode of season five a story arc starts that spans several episodes. The writing have been real great, dialog almost Firefly level good!
Quote from the show, not very spoilery but still:
! "Patient: I'm alive!
Bashir: No self-diagnosing please"
There are also a lot of great space battles and stuff, proper space-opera like. There's even fighter planes! O,O Ships exploding and mayhem from all vectors.
It's also here the show turn up the dark or down the light. I can understand why some Star Trek fans dislike this. Me, I think it's one of the greatest thing to happen to Star Trek. For me it adds a certain realism which makes me more invested in the whole franchise and so nicely makes the optimism in the other shows shine even brighter! :)
! Real spoiler:
! I also love how Quark and Rom basically saves the entire Alpha Quadrant. :)Eh, I'm crazy tired from changing my sleepy-time, so I hope this isn't completely unreadable from rambling (and as always from a lack of English language skills). >__>
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Well, I finished watching the first three seasons of Reboot, and, well…
! When you're right, you're right Robby. Season 3 of Reboot completely blew the first two seasons away. Honestly, up until then, I really didn't think too terribly much of the show (though the Web Creature story arc in the second half of season 2 was pretty cool). It just seemed like a kitschy bare-bones show, with an, honestly, pretty confusing story, with only the novelty of it being a computer-generated show to hold water. And, when it comes right down to it, Bob was a pretty boring protagonist.
! But man, Season 3, this show just grew a pair. Not only did the characters and story become infinitely better, but the show took so many risks and it paid off gloriously. I think the 3rd quarter of the season was may favorite, with them on the pirate ship. God, if only those first two seasons weren't such a chore to sit through (for the most part). But yeah, so glad I finally checked this show out.
! And judging by your remarks, Robby, I'm guessing I should just as soon ignore Season 4. (though I still may check it out for completion's sake, just not any time soon).
Now that I'm done with that, I will proceed with the remainder of DS9.Just a reminder, I'll be starting on Season 3 now, the season where Sisqo goes bald and gets a beard, after which the series is supposed to get exponentially better.
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And judging by your remarks, Robby, I'm guessing I should just as soon ignore Season 4. (though I still may check it out for completion's sake, just not any time soon).
Season 3 is pretty much a perfect ending, right down to he musical number.
Season 4 was SUPPOSED to be three movies that broke into 12 episodes. Instead, it was two movies that broke into 8 episodes… and ended on a cliffhanger.
There's a couple good bits in it, some decent action scenes and 13 year old pop culture references... but there's a lot of problems with them too (the first movie was rushed and should have just been all 8 episodes by itself, the second movie is a really bad premise, (Well, the premise is okay but the execution was bad) and there's some major character assassination, regression, and retcons that makes several of the leads really unlikeable.)... and it really taints the whole thing to end on an unresolved cliffhanger... AGAIN.
And yeah, the first two seasons haven't aged terribly well, at least partly because they had no idea what they were doing, partly because the pop culture references are 20 years old, and partly because the later stuff is so much better. My favorite episode of the bunch is still Talent Night, but it wasn't till mid season 2 they started figuring out what they were doing.
Oh, and I'm curious since I had been spoiled in advance and didn't get the surprise myself (After season 2's cliffhanger I eventually inrnet scoured for the info in the years before Cartoon Network picked it up and aired season 3) , but what was your reaction when
! …you really didn't even need to hit the spoiler tag to know what the question was, did you? You KNOW.
! Enzo loses his eye, loses the game, and then in the next episode he's grown up and all badass? -
@RobbyBevard:
Oh, and I'm curious since I had been spoiled in advance and didn't get the surprise myself (After season 2's cliffhanger I eventually inrnet scoured for the info in the years before Cartoon Network picked it up and aired season 3) , but what was your reaction when
! …you really didn't even need to hit the spoiler tag to know what the question was, did you? You KNOW.
! Enzo loses his eye, loses the game, and then in the next episode he's grown up and all badass?Well, the thing is, I actually had seen bits and pieces of Reboot as a kid, but never sat down and watched it. So, like you, the Enzo twist was pretty much spoiled for me. I mean, I knew it was going to happen, but I wasn't sure how. But the scene was still pretty intense, now that I knew the stakes involved.
P.S. AndrAIa was irritating as a kid, but damn she grew up to be hot.
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Well, I finished watching the first three seasons of Reboot, and, well…
Uhm, what is Reboot? :V Hahaha.
Just a reminder, I'll be starting on Season 3 now, the season where Sisqo goes bald and gets a beard, after which the series is supposed to get exponentially better.
Nono, linearly, maybe squared…ly... :P But not exponentially, no way. It's no where near the beard-growing of TNG.
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Uhm, what is Reboot? :V Hahaha.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReBoot
Not that this has anything to do with Star Trek (though there was that one episode that was a tribute to it).
Anyway, Season 3 is under way. Good to be with the old crew again.
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After a cigar, one of my favorite DS9 episodes "The magnificent Ferengi" and a SFDebris review of said episode I've got a question for all of you've that seen DS9.
One thing I like about SFDebris is that he likes the Ferengi episodes. But he mentions in his review of the episodes that most people don't like them.
So I was wondering what you think of them?
Hate, love or something that lies therein between?
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Most of the Ferengi were incredibly annoying. The grand Nagus, and Quark's mom, are both amusing once or twice, but they really wear thin eventually.
If say, Rom and Nog, were the only representatives we got throughout DS9… the Ferengi would be oh so universally hated.
Quark pretty much singlehandedly redeems the entire race, and that's a tough act.
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So I'm a perverse masochistic sucker for liking 'em all is what you're saying?? ;D Naah. I guess part of why I like 'em is because the Federation people raises their nose every time they are around. Hahaha. :) So it's fun seeing them succeed at times.
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Any room for Farsacpe on this watch and review train?
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Any room for Farsacpe on this watch and review train?
Well, if I can go on a tangent about Reboot…....sure.
Plus, this thread could use the traffic.
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Farscape is tricky in that Netflix has the entire show… EXCEPT for the final movie that wrapped up the end-series cliffhanger.
But great show. It's not Babylon 5, but its definitely quality sci-fi.
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So I guess everyone is in favor in renaming the thread?
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So I guess everyone is in favor in renaming the thread?
Arlong Park Watches Sci-Fi Shows
You have my blessing Robby.
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But I'm at comicon! Clearly I'm too busy to do that!
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Finished season 3 of DS9
! Maybe it's because I just got back from a Star Trek hiatus, but I'd say this was the best season thus far (it's not a vast improvement, but still the best). The season started really strong with some really good character-building episodes (Dax, Kira, Odo, and Quark all benefited) but then things took a bit of a downwards turn with the really dumb Meridian and Fascination. But then we got Past Tense and the show bounced right back. The rest of the season, I think, provided a pretty good balance of great, good, and decent episodes. All around, a pretty solid season.
! I also really started to like the characters a lot more this season. I used to think of Bashir as kind of a naive, juvenile dork, but now I feel his character has some real dignity to him. And while I still think Dax is kinda boring, I think her character really did improve this season, particularly with her speaking with her past selves.
! And then, of course, Sisko got his beard. And, well, I wouldn't really say things immediately improved after he got it. The quality still stayed pretty much the same for the remaining few episodes, but we'll see how things go in season 4.
! Notes:
-I really like the direction they went with Odo's race. I was afraid towards the end of The Search that it would turn out that it was all an illusion and they weren't really Odo's people. But them turning out to be the founders of Dominion was a much more compelling and interesting choice.
-Second Skin would've been among my favorites this scene, if only for the character drama, but…darnit! Even with the reveal at the end, the episode seemed pretty convoluted.
-Nice to see Riker again (or, at least, a Riker) even though I was kinda zoning out during that episode.
-Quark is still great, but he was actually kind of a jerk this season particularly in regard to his mother and especially Nog. At least he and his mother came to a sort of understanding, but he was a massive prick about Nog joining Star Fleet. Yes, I get that he's a Ferengi, but still.
-Rom, on the other hand, had some great development. He still has that dopey borderline-retarded demeanor, but he showed that he's truly dedicated to his son and his family. And, hey, he's a damn good engineer. Who knew?
-Okay, Garak is great and all, but his eccentric know-it-all routine is starting to wear thin (and it doesn't help that I generally hate liars). Also, I think Odo took him back a little too easily after he had kinda blatantly betrayed him.
-Maybe I'm just slow, but I'm finding it kind of hard to keep track of all the organizations and factions in this series. Between the Bajorans, the Cardassians, the Maquis, the Dominion, that faction that Kira was in that's now apparently opposing Kai Winn, it's hard to remember who's doing what, who's opposed to who, and whatever else.
-And on that note, the apparent peace between the Bajorans and Cardassians seemed pretty abrupt to me. I remember hearing a character bring it up a few episodes after they peace declaration took place and I thought "Oh…...that happened?"
! Favorite Episodes:
-The Search, I and II
-House of Quark
-The Abandoned
-Past Tense, I and II
-Visionary
-Family Business
-The Adversary
! And that is that. Next up is Season 4, which should hopefully be good. I magine there are quite a few things to look forward to as far as the story, upcoming character developments, and WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReBoot
Not that this has anything to do with Star Trek (though there was that one episode that was a tribute to it).
Anyway, Season 3 is under way. Good to be with the old crew again.
:blink: Its been soooo long since I've seen ReBoot, I forgotten it! I had read half of that intro and the character list before recognizing it. LOL I barely remembered Hexidecimal's (shifting face) looks (sp?) XD
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I used to think of Bashir as kind of a naive, juvenile dork, but now I feel his character has some real dignity to him. And while I still think Dax is kinda boring, I think her character really did improve this season, particularly with her speaking with her past selves.
Bashir's biggest and most interesting stuff is still ahead. I forget what season though (it might be as late as season 6, but I think its sooner)… but you'll know the turning point episode for him when you see it. And Dax works a lot better once Worf shows up.
And then, of course, Sisko got his beard.
Ah, but did he shave his head? Thats when it really kicks in.
And Garek… well. Keep an eye on him.
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@RobbyBevard:
Ah, but did he shave his head? Thats when it really kicks in.
I just finished the two-part premier of Season 4 (wicked good, btw), which marks the debut of Sisko's shaved head, as well as Worf.
Oh yeah, and as for that blood test for determining if someone's a Changeling or not; you know, if it's about removing a part of your body, they could just as easily clip a fingernail or pluck a strand of hair. But I guess that wouldn't be as dramatic.
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U stukk @Nobodyman:
! -Maybe I'm just slow, but I'm finding it kind of hard to keep track of all the organizations and factions in this series. Between the Bajorans, the Cardassians, the Maquis, the Dominion, that faction that Kira was in that's now apparently opposing Kai Winn, it's hard to remember who's doing what, who's opposed to who, and whatever else.
If you think DS9 is bad in that regard… Then maybe B5 isn't for you. Hahaha. It's tens of thousands of times worse, minimum. I still would recommend it though, you'll just have to level up your intelligence!
And on a related note. I've begun watching Quark. Nonono, not the character. The TV show of course! With it watched, I will finally be able to answer that age old question... What is best, Quark the elemental particle, the dairy product, the character or the TV show?
I'm very happy and proud because of this. -
Of all my DS9 complaints I don't think difficulty sorting out who's who is among them. It's just hit-and-miss overall IMO. But the best moments are spectacular.
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Finished Season 4 of DS9.
! Wow! What a huge improvement! Pretty much every single episode of this season knocked it out of the park!
! ….Well, at least until about episode 13 or so. Don't get wrong, they weren't bad, but I think it was around there there were a few episodes that were good, but not great (or maybe I was just getting worn out, I dunno). And then of course there was that dreadful Muse episode, which was just about the only blemish on an otherwise really solid season. Really, pretty much everything else ranged from good to great. Even the goofy episodes like Little Green Men and Our Man Bashir were just so much fun that I couldn't help but like them. If I can expect this kind of quality for the rest of the show, I'm really going to enjoy these next three seasons.
! Notes:
-Worf is back and it's so sweet, baby! The old lug hasn't changed a bit!
-Oh my god, The Visitor was so emotional. Easily the most emotional DS9 episode to date.
-Okay, as a healthy heterosexual male, I feel I must say this in response to Rejoined: inhale W00T! Dax Lezbo kiss! YEAH! Wooooo! ......well, now that that's done....
-First and Indiana Jones-ish episode with Sword of Kahless, and then a direct James Bond spoof with Our Man Bashir. Guess the writers were in a movie mood.
-Brock Peters was great as Sisko's dad. And apparently the guy's a Star Trek veteran. I'll have to check out Star Trek IV and VI.
-At the start of Shattered Mirror, I felt the Mirror Universe subplot was getting a bit tired, but at the end I was really interested to see where it's going (or at least, it looks like they're going somewhere with it). Also, it's funny how, in each Mirror Universe episode, one of the Mirror Universe Ferengi is killed off (Quark, Rom, then Nog, respectively).
-Poor Odo lost his identity as a Changeling :( Part of me is worried that this may take away his uniqueness, but since it's so character-driven, part of me thinks this is a really interesting turn of events.
! Favorite Episodes:
-Way of the Warrior
-The Visitor
-Indiscretion
-Little Green Men
-Our Man Bashir
-Homefront/Paradise Lost
-Rules of Engagement
-Broken Link
! Well, we've made it past the halfway point. Onwards to Season 5! -
Odo is actually more interesting with the loss, and how he copes with it.
And I looked it up, season 5 has the Bashir stuff I've been thinking happened earlier. Interesting stuff ahead for him.
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You can expect the same quality for the rest of the series, yes. :) Or there about at least, I haven't mapped it out that exactly. :P You'll hopefully also get even more into it due to it's ongoing story line.
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Oh, and I'm glad you like "Little Green Men"! You should join my militant group "We want Little Green Men as a movie instead of that awful Into Darkness"! :O
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Oh, and I'm glad you like "Little Green Men"! You should join my militant group "We want Little Green Men as a movie instead of that awful Into Darkness"! :O
Sorry. I liked Into Darkness.
Anyway, Season 5 of DS9 is finito.
! While this was still a solid season, I felt it was kind of a step down from Season 4. The season started out strong with "Apocalypse Rising", but then it when into a slew of episodes, of which some were good, most were decent, and then we got the awful "Let He Who is Without Sin", which is the probably the worst characterization Worf has ever received. But, then again, we also got Trials and Tribble-ations, which was awesome.
! And then of course there was the matter of Kira's pregnancy, which put her out of commission for a good portion of the first half of the season. And, yes, I know they had to account for Nana Visitor's pregnancy, but it still wasn't exactly my favorite subplot of the show.
! As for the second half of the season, I think it was a step up, but not by a whole lot. Yes, some pretty cool character episodes for Bashir, Quark, and Kira, but a good portion of the episodes, while well told, didn't really stand out that much to me. But then we got to "Call to Arms" and that episode totally blew me away. I was contemplating taking one last break before finishing DS9, but no. Now, I have to find out what happens next. I think this is the most audacious move any Star Trek series has done to date, what with the Cardassians reclaiming DS9, and now all the characters going their separate. Man, I'm just so excited to see what happens next.
! Notes:
-Yeah, things are definitely getting darker. So many episodes with unforgivingly bleak endings. That said, sometimes I think they do them well. Sometimes, maybe not so well.
-I was starting to wonder if there was something going on between Worf and Dax, and, well, yeah, this season certainly clinched it. I hope Troi will be brought up at some point.
-God, it was so refreshing seeing the TOS Enterprise ship again. I just love how bright and colorful the sets were.
-So….Odo just gets his Changeling powers back after only half a season, huh? Kinda wish they had spent a little more time on human Odo, but I suppose, at least, his transformation back, in a way, was earned. I never would've thought I'd feel so much emotion from Rene Auberjonois talking to a jar of ooze.
-Is it just me, or was what Sisko did at the end of "For the Uniform" just straight up wrong? I mean, he poisoned a whole planet. Yes, they were just full of Maquis, but still. And then no one even seems to mind that he did it. Is there something I missed here?
-Yep. Bashir turning out to be genetically enhanced was definitely a big reveal and turning point for his character. Wonder if it'll play into the story later.
-I love "Ferengi Love Songs" just for that running gag of everyone being in Quark's closet.
-Speaking of Quark, he's still my favorite Ferengi, but damn Nog is really proving his mettle (as is Rom).
! Favorite Episodes:
-Apocalypse Rising
-Trials and Tribble-ations
-The Begotten
-Doctor Bashir, I Presume?
-Business as Usual
-Ferengi Love Songs
-Children of Time
-In the Cards
-Call to Arms
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! -Yep. Bashir turning out to be genetically enhanced was definitely a big reveal and turning point for his character. Wonder if it'll play into the story later.
Yeah, it comes into play later. The actor pretty much insisted on it because it was something he didn't feel he could play as a constant secret for the rest of the series, once it was revealed, it needed to be out in the open.
In hindsight it pulls a lot of random elements of his backstory together as well that were… contradictory.
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Sorry. I liked Into Darkness.
I-I thought you were cool. :cwy:
-Speaking of Quark, he's still my favorite Ferengi, but damn Nog is really proving mettle (as is Rom).
And now you're cool again! You are a man of much incongruity.
! -Is it just me, or was what Sisko did at the end of "For the Uniform" just straight up wrong? I mean, he poisoned a whole planet. Yes, they were just full of Maquis, but still. And then no one even seems to mind that he did it. Is there something I missed here?
! No I think it was meant to be seen as wrong, though understandable? He was going pretty mental over Eddington… Who did need stopping.
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Oh how did I miss this thread? I see lots of star trek talk and re watching which is great but then I see people talking about….
Babylon 5. And I see others here singing its praise, this makes me a very happy man.
I just so happen to be re-watching the series and great maker its my all time favorite sci-fi series. Currently a little more than halfway through season 2 on my rewatch.
My advice to nobodyman, take a break from Star Trek after DS9 and watch B5. That will be the best way to compare and contrast the two.
EDIT: On season 6 of DS9, that has one of my favorite episodes: Far Beyond the Stars.
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My advice to nobodyman, take a break from Star Trek after DS9 and watch B5. That will be the best way to compare and contrast the two.
B5 isn't on Netflix, sadly.