props to monkey king.. :p
btw just my personal opinion.. i don't see oda following any historical occurrence and putting it into his story..
props to monkey king.. :p
btw just my personal opinion.. i don't see oda following any historical occurrence and putting it into his story..
Who said I was talking about you. This makes me question if you bothered to even read the OP. If you did, you'd realize I was talking about a minor detail in his theory that probably needs to be adjusted.
I did read the theory but that's not the case, it need to be adjusted because in your book an admiral can't go down just yet
Again, if you'd bothered to actually read the theory in the OP, you know, the topic of this thread, you wouldn't be going off on tangential points such as this.
Going off, when you were the one who mentioned about luffy/law going against dd/Diamante before forcing a top tier to the blink of death and your already saying that Fujitora is a top tier (which he is) that Luffy or the SHs for that matter shouldn't face just yet because is too early in the story for them to be going against such power house
Just because he trained under Mihawk doesn't suddenly make him a Mihawk calibre fighter. Judging by Mihawk's feats at Marineford, it's pretty clear that he's a tier below the Admirals anyway. What feats did the Dragon and Monet show that would label them as "some of those New World fighters"? They were just in the New World, nothing they accomplished screamed "high calibre New World fighter". Bartolomeo took out a Vice Admiral, that's proof he's a high calibre fighter. Cavendish carries a legendary sword and held off a 500 million bounty pirate, that's indication he's a high calibre fighter. Monet and the Dragon? Err, I guess they scared Usopp? Zoro needs to take out someone like Bart/Cavendish. Even so, there is a substantial gap between a marine admiral and a "high calibre New World fighter", Curiel and Jimbe are without a shadow of a doubt elite fighters, yet both were instagibbed by Admiral Red Dog. Unless you feel that Zoro can fodderize Yonkou commanders and Shichibukai members, he's not going to be a match for Issho.
WHAT!!! A tier below admiral level, a guy that was merely playing at the war, you're the only one in this forum that have such beliefs about Mihawk being below admiral level,
did I say HIGH CALIBER FIGHTER? I said they can handle SOME new world pirates and is pretty clear that Monet can and the Dragon who showed great physical strength and was created in order to guard that Island from intruders.
Bartolomeo pretty strong but once you figured out how he's Devil Fruit work it might all be over, If he doesn't have something to back up the enemy, as shown with Bellamy once he found it out, Cavendish have a legendary sword says a lot about him, is he a high caliber fighter WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET because we haven't seen those guys yet, HIGH CALIBER FIGHTER are DD and his seats, not some pretty boy who will get stomp If he fights Zoro, you're clearly underestimating Zoro, where does the Yonkou thing comes from, the strongest Shishibukai is Mihawk then Zoro can pretty much handle anyone of them, He's not going to be a match ahh…
Let time decide
Oh my, where to start. Jesus Burgess is about as big a player as it gets, and he stands in the way of Luffy's goal as well. He's also a final opponent candidate for Sanji or Franky. Is Jesus Burgess going to go down in this arc? Your statement is completely off base and has no substantiation whatsoever. There are numerous scenarios that could play out, perhaps Sakazuki talks to the Gorosei and forces Issho to back out, perhaps a high ranking Kaidou pirate takes Issho out of the equation completely and the Strawhats get to avoid him, perhaps the dwarves find a way to trap the marines on the island preventing them from joining in on the fight in Dressrona. A writer of Oda's calibre could definitely come up with something none of us saw coming. The notion that there's no outcome but for Issho to be defeated shows incredible naivety, to put it nicely.
GOSH we are talking about an admiral who is in DressRosa to capture the SHs and you talk about Jesus because "he is in Luffy's way of getting the MERA 2X" what a shock.
Did you get any hint of Akainu letting Luffy go around doing whatever he wants even at the war, did you? because I'm sure I didn't, You're involving a high ranking Kaido member because you don't want to see the SHS taking out an admiral just yet, is that it? preventing the marines from joining the fight, by any chance did you saw a way of the whole DressRosa and green bit no being destroyed by this fight because what I just saw today and what Fujitora told the marine to do before heading to Green Bit was the complete opposite, If Fujitora keeps doing those moves and those fighter/marines start going wild at least 60% of DressRosa will be destroy
Rayleigh left because he felt he'd already taught Luffy all the basics and he could now hone his skills on his own. Nothing suggests that Luffy can handle an opponent of that calibre (and no defeating Zeto doesn't count considering he was a shell of his former self much like Shiki and movies aren't necessarily canon).
Again would Rayleigh left Luffy alone If he wasn't sure that Luffy can handle any type of opponent in the New World?
Movies aren't cannon, only some characters… WHO THE HELL DOESN'T KNOW THAT
I did read the theory but that's not the case, it need to be adjusted because in your book an admiral can't go down just yet
Going off, when you were the one who mentioned about luffy/law going against dd/Diamante before forcing a top tier to the blink of death and your already saying that Fujitora is a top tier (which he is) that Luffy or the SHs for that matter shouldn't face just yet because is too early in the story for them to be going against such power house
So then why you were arguing my point about Issho suffering a mortal wound?
WHAT!!! A tier below admiral level, a guy that was merely playing at the war, you're the only one in this forum that have such beliefs about Mihawk being below admiral level,
did I say HIGH CALIBER FIGHTER? I said they can handle SOME new world pirates and is pretty clear that Monet can and the Dragon who showed great physical strength and was created in order to guard that Island from intruders.Bartolomeo pretty strong but once you figured out how he's Devil Fruit work it might all be over, If he doesn't have something to back up the enemy, as shown with Bellamy once he found it out, Cavendish have a legendary sword says a lot about him, is he a high caliber fighter WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET because we haven't seen those guys yet, HIGH CALIBER FIGHTER are DD and his seats, not some pretty boy who will get stomp If he fights Zoro, you're clearly underestimating Zoro, where does the Yonkou thing comes from, the strongest Shishibukai is Mihawk then Zoro can pretty much handle anyone of them, He's not going to be a match ahh…
Let time decide
Where did you get the idea Mihawk was playing around during Marineford. I seriously doubt he'd acknowledge Vista as a well known swordsman, then "play around". I also doubt he'd say "I want to see the gap between [Whitebeard] and myself", then proceed to "play around" to test it out. The fact of the matter is, Mihawk was barely more impressive than Vista, and arguably even less impressive than Jozu. The former couldn't do jack squat to Sakazuki and the latter lost an arm to Kuzan. I believe that Mihawk is stronger than Vista/Jozu, but the gap between him and those two is much much smaller than the gap between an admiral and those guys. And no I am not "the only person on the forums" who thinks that Mihawk is a tier below the Admirals in terms of power.
Also you brought up how beating Monet and the PH Dragon were there to hype Zoro. My argument is that he needs to beat a high calibre figher before you can say he has enough hype to threaten a marine admiral. Which your argument does nothing to address. You implied that beating "some fighters" was enough hype to justify Zoro making a difference against Issho, even though they're like 10 tiers below him or something. Again your argument is void. Zoro and Sanji are approximately equal in strength with Zoro probably a tad stronger, yet overall the fight between Sanji and Vergo can be considered a loss for Sanji (a broken tibia is far more damage than some nosebleed). I think it's safe to estimate that Zoro currently is around the power of a vice admiral, that's not even close to a full on admiral.
How do you know Zoro is going to roflstomp Cavendish? The dude had a 280 million bounty 3 years ago and has a legendary sword to back it up. At the very best, Zoro would have a grueling fight against Cavendish. How do you know guys like Bartolomeo and Cavendish aren't on the same level as Dofla's seats? We haven't seen any of them (Diamante/Trebol/Spade) in action yet. Everything we've seen from Bartolomeo/Cavendish says high calibre fighter, although they wouldn't be an "elite" fighter like a Mihawk/Dofla etc. Just because Bartolomeo might have a weakness with his devil fruit doesn't take away from his accomplishments thus far. He has an in story win against a vice admiral, something only Whitebeard, some Shichibukai, Oars Jr, and Trafalgar Law can boast, not even Luffy has defeated a VA in story (although that'll certainly change soon). If he has his weakness exposed and loses because of it, all it means is that they one who defeated him is a high calibre fighter as well. Even when Crocodile's weakness was exposed, do you think anyone in the Strawhats besides Luffy would be able to defeat him? You could give Usopp an entire lake to work with against Croc and he'd still get trashed.
I do agree with you on one point though. Let time decide.
GOSH we are talking about an admiral who is in DressRosa to capture the SHs and you talk about Jesus because "he is in Luffy's way of getting the MERA 2X" what a shock.
Did you get any hint of Akainu letting Luffy go around doing whatever he wants even at the war, did you? because I'm sure I didn't, You're involving a high ranking Kaido member because you don't want to see the SHS taking out an admiral just yet, is that it? preventing the marines from joining the fight, by any chance did you saw a way of the whole DressRosa and green bit no being destroyed by this fight because what I just saw today and what Fujitora told the marine to do before heading to Green Bit was the complete opposite, If Fujitora keeps doing those moves and those fighter/marines start going wild at least 60% of DressRosa will be destroy
Again, lets default to let the story play out. If the Strawhats take out Issho, feel free to bump this thread and mock me about it. If Issho does not go down, then you eat crow instead.
Again would Rayleigh left Luffy alone If he wasn't sure that Luffy can handle any type of opponent in the New World?
Movies aren't cannon, only some characters… WHO THE HELL DOESN'T KNOW THAT
Glad to see we're on the same page about something, based on the logical fallacies in the majority of your arguments, I anticipated that you'd bring up Zeto to defend your position. So I'll apologize.
So then why you were arguing my point about Issho suffering a mortal wound?
Because you said that Fujitora can wipe the floor with Luffy/Law/DD and who ever is at DressRosa at the moment
Where did you get the idea Mihawk was playing around during Marineford. I seriously doubt he'd acknowledge Vista as a well known swordsman, then "play around". I also doubt he'd say "I want to see the gap between [Whitebeard] and myself", then proceed to "play around" to test it out. The fact of the matter is, Mihawk was barely more impressive than Vista, and arguably even less impressive than Jozu. The former couldn't do jack squat to Sakazuki and the latter lost an arm to Kuzan. I believe that Mihawk is stronger than Vista/Jozu, but the gap between him and those two is much much smaller than the gap between an admiral and those guys. And no I am not "the only person on the forums" who thinks that Mihawk is a tier below the Admirals in terms of power.
Where? wasn't it obvious that he wasn't serious at all.
Go here and ask and let's see how many people are on the same boat as you about Mihawk
http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=36065
Also you brought up how beating Monet and the PH Dragon were there to hype Zoro. My argument is that he needs to beat a high calibre figher before you can say he has enough hype to threaten a marine admiral. Which your argument does nothing to address. You implied that beating "some fighters" was enough hype to justify Zoro making a difference against Issho, even though they're like 10 tiers below him or something. Again your argument is void. Zoro and Sanji are approximately equal in strength with Zoro probably a tad stronger, yet overall the fight between Sanji and Vergo can be considered a loss for Sanji (a broken tibia is far more damage than some nosebleed). I think it's safe to estimate that Zoro currently is around the power of a vice admiral, that's not even close to a full on admiral.
Again underestimating Zoro but Its all opinions
How do you know Zoro is going to roflstomp Cavendish? The dude had a 280 million bounty 3 years ago and has a legendary sword to back it up. At the very best, Zoro would have a grueling fight against Cavendish. How do you know guys like Bartolomeo and Cavendish aren't on the same level as Dofla's seats? We haven't seen any of them (Diamante/Trebol/Spade) in action yet. Everything we've seen from Bartolomeo/Cavendish says high calibre fighter, although they wouldn't be an "elite" fighter like a Mihawk/Dofla etc. Just because Bartolomeo might have a weakness with his devil fruit doesn't take away from his accomplishments thus far. He has an in story win against a vice admiral, something only Whitebeard, some Shichibukai, Oars Jr, and Trafalgar Law can boast, not even Luffy has defeated a VA in story (although that'll certainly change soon). If he has his weakness exposed and loses because of it, all it means is that they one who defeated him is a high calibre fighter as well. Even when Crocodile's weakness was exposed, do you think anyone in the Strawhats besides Luffy would be able to defeat him? You could give Usopp an entire lake to work with against Croc and he'd still get trashed.
Bounty does not reflect power but you already know that, how long did it took Zoro to get to 120? and Zoro have three well known swords but its the same thing underestimating Zoro and about Crocodile you're right
I do agree with you on one point though. Let time decide.
Again, lets default to let the story play out. If the Strawhats take out Issho, feel free to bump this thread and mock me about it. If Issho does not go down, then you eat crow instead.
Glad to see we're on the same page about something, based on the logical fallacies in the majority of your arguments, I anticipated that you'd bring up Zeto to defend your position. So I'll apologize.
There's not need for that.
But our opinions are totally different and don't get me wrong is a good thing but not a lot of people have does about this type of characters.
Here is yours
• Fujitora cannot get heavily wounded because he is an Admiral and is able to stomp on everybody in DressRosa
• Is too soon on the story for the SHs to take down an Admiral
• Mihawk is below Admiral level
• Zoro is nowhere near Admiral (10 tiers below to be exact)
• Cavendish and Bartolomeo are high caliver fighters (2nd Island in the NW)
But hey is all opinions, you have yours and I got mines nothing more then that but at this point I wonder which one of us is the one with false notions
Cavendish and Barto are there because they are participating in a tournament. Cavendish is presented as high level fighter since he's matching a +500M fighter. And Barto is one for fodderizing a VA.
Mihawk said should he fight Vista it would last quite some time. So he isn't in an other league.
Because you said that Fujitora can wipe the floor with Luffy/Law/DD and who ever is at DressRosa at the moment
Like I said, the coming chapters can settle this easily.
Where? wasn't it obvious that he wasn't serious at all.
Go here and ask and let's see how many people are on the same boat as you about Mihawk
http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=36065
No it is not obvious, only massive Mihawk fanboys get the impression he wasn't serious. Mihawk fodderizing Zoro with a dagger is him not being serious. Mihawk saying he wants to measure the gap in strength between him and Whitebeard and unleashing quote on quote "the world's strongest slash" sounds like someone wanting to push his limits. This also implies Mihawk acknowledges his inferiority to the Yonkou. The fact that he didn't continue going after Whitebeard when Jozu intercepted it implies he knows he wasn't going to get a shot at him. Mihawk saying he'd have to be a fool to not have heard of Vista implies he acknowledges Vista as a worthy opponent. He clashed with Vista with Yoru rather than a dagger, that's not someone playing around. Nobody was playing around during the war, the only character who seemed that way was Doflamingo, but even that could potentially be attributed to his personality.
I searched all posts containing "Mihawk" in the thread, the general consensus is that Mihawk isn't on the same level as Shanks/Akainu. The 3 Mihawk fanboy votes certainly aint helping your case.
Again underestimating Zoro but Its all opinions
So I'm apparently underestimating Zoro, who has yet to defeat a high level opponent, but you aren't underestimating Bart/Cavendish, both who have tangible feats right now?
Bounty does not reflect power but you already know that, how long did it took Zoro to get to 120? and Zoro have three well known swords but its the same thing underestimating Zoro and about Crocodile you're right
Durandal is one of the most famous swords in all of literature alongside the likes of Excalibur and Qi Xing Jian (7 star sword). It's almost certainly one of the supreme grade swords. Zoro's swords aren't in the same league.
There's not need for that.
But our opinions are totally different and don't get me wrong is a good thing but not a lot of people have does about this type of characters.
Here is yours
• Fujitora cannot get heavily wounded because he is an Admiral and is able to stomp on everybody in DressRosa
• Is too soon on the story for the SHs to take down an Admiral
• Mihawk is below Admiral level
• Zoro is nowhere near Admiral (10 tiers below to be exact)
• Cavendish and Bartolomeo are high caliver fighters (2nd Island in the NW)But hey is all opinions, you have yours and I got mines nothing more then that but at this point I wonder which one of us is the one with false notions
We could go on arguing forever about the other ones, but Cavendish and Bartolomeo are without a doubt high calibre fighters. Nobody that's read properly believe otherwise. In fact, I can point out a logical fallacy in your arguments right now. Fact: Oda himself has said that Zoro and Sanji are approximately equal. Fact: Sanji lost to a vice admiral. Fact: Bartolomeo won against a vice admiral. If Bartolomeo isn't a high calibre fighter, then Sanji and Zoro aren't either, meaning Zoro isn't even close to Admiral level. No matter what, at least one of your last two opinions is false. I would argue both of them are wrong.
@Monkey:
Although historically wrong, u can't deny there's a certain appeal in this theory (using the Battle of Trafalgar as a source of inspiration for current event). After all, the current event is kinda The Battle of Trafalgar (Law being the one instigating this 'battle').
So just for the fun of it, with ur knowledge of history, how would u predict the Greenbit event to unfold assuming Oda is using real events on The Battle of Trafalgar?
Or perhaps Oda is using The Battle of Trafalgar, but not here in Greenbit? Perhaps he's saving it for a bigger event: the final part of Dressrosa arc.
Oh, and as a reminder, we do have another faction here: Ussoland and the dwarves.
@Monkey:
I really hope this wasn't aimed at the OP.
Umm. Nope. Was meant for u actually. (screwed up on the quote part, I was actually quoting ur post)
Umm. Nope. Was meant for u actually. (screwed up on the quote part, I was actually quoting ur post)
Well that's just the problem then, because I don't see any parallels. Nor do I think Oda means much when he names characters after real life figures.
@Monkey:
Well that's just the problem then, because I don't see any parallels. Nor do I think Oda means much when he names characters after real life figures.
Aaawww, c'mon. Just for the fun of it? Just for the sake of both Trafalgars?
Oda might not mean much when he names his chars, but who can say that he didn't 'accidentally' stumble upon an article about the Battle of Trafalgar when typing Traflagar on Google and thought "Hey, I might be able to incorporate some of this."
I think if we just disregard the 'parallelism' and freely switching the factions represented, it can get interesting. The winner of the Battle of Trafalgar is Britain (I just googled it), and since the SH will come out as the winner, I'll say that SH + Law can represent Britain. DoFlamingo and the Marines are allies due to his Shichibukai status (so we have Spain + France). So if we use this as our base of assumption (or fanfic, more like), I'd say that Law won't escape Dressrosa unscathed, heavily wounded even.
I love it when people delve into history and find little links here and there. Makes me so happy <3
Except for the fact that if Oda is going off of history, Hawkins and Drake are cousins and will die against San Juan Wolf, one at the scene, one from being poisoned.
Also looking at some of the deaths… it's kinda depressing. Those two like that, the man Law is apparently based off of dies of mysterious circumstances apparently... though Bonney and Apoo have the most depressing deaths by far @ , @ in prison cells, one I forgot how but I think pregnancy was involved, and the other via hanging himself @ ~ @;
I love it when people delve into history and find little links here and there. Makes me so happy <3
Except for the fact that if Oda is going off of history, Hawkins and Drake are cousins and will die against San Juan Wolf, one at the scene, one from being poisoned.
Also looking at some of the deaths… it's kinda depressing. Those two like that, the man Law is apparently based off of dies of mysterious circumstances apparently... though Bonney and Apoo have the most depressing deaths by far @ , @ in prison cells, one I forgot how but I think pregnancy was involved, and the other via hanging himself @ ~ @;
Zoro will be eaten by cannibals.