[Theory] The Inherited Will, "One Piece"

[Monkey King]

@Lady:

Well you've sullied the reasoning here. The now extinct great kingdom, which we are to believe was both powerful and peace loving, would have naturally wanted to expand out of both instinct and morality.

I'm not sure how much history you know, but kingdoms don't expand through peaceful means unless they're marrying people. I don't know what moral grounds are covered in being an Empire because I can't think of any that have been acceptable since roughly 1960.
The growing Empire trope would cover an evil place. The peaceful idealistic kingdom doesn't do things like that unless it's being corrupted.
So yeah, a kingdom out to commit horribly disruptive environmental disaster in order to take more things over….this is a villain you are describing!

We can assume the then WG (coalition of opposing kingdom's) was not the most humanitarian of government's and may have well been lacking in technology to the extent where citizen's standards of living paled in comparison to the extinct kingdom.

You're framing this like the poor undeveloped kingdoms resisted the imperial kingdom's advances.
This makes them sound like heroes lol. Good for them!

Efficient expansion in this theory would have required the elimination of the two great obstacles to continental travel, the grand line and red line. Another Kingdom's expansion is a very threatening scenario for any other existing kingdom's hence opposition, cue war etc.

So yes again, to reiterate, the all conquering empire with huge technological powers over the rest is out to violently alter the world's entire ecosystem.
The Ancient Kingdom is a monster!

Real world logic on ecosystems aren't applicable to a story such as One Piece where we have islands made of dessert…

Except Oda has included exactly those sort of systems in One Piece, they even rode a sea current to Fishman Island.
And that ignores the part where I pointed out internal One Piece logic, of the Grand Line (where like 90% of the strangness is) means that the end of it…would destroy and otherwise horribly mangle many many of the islands there.
Also when the heck was there an island made of dessert?

Convenient sailing = Efficient travel = Globalisation = ???

One Piece is already an extremely globalized world.

It's not just about the sailing.

Ok, so we have a poorly understood reference from you about globalization (which has downsides btw).
And….what else do we have.

[asm00200]

Also when the heck was there an island made of dessert?

That's probably Big Mom's island.

[AussieLuffy]

Just epic theory. Regret reading it now but OH WELL :D

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I’m pretty sure there’s going to be SOMETHING extra from the World Government (I seriously hope it’s more about World Nobles getting their asses kicked) which makes Luffy’s mind up, and forces him to destroy everything. That’d be the motive.
For me, the main thing wrong with this theory is not its theoretical ideas, but its lack of fillers (of course, since you're not Oda (I think) you can't know those). By this, I mean what is Dragon gonna do? What are the Yonko gonna do about all this revolutionary thinking about freedom? What will the Shicibukai and the other young pirates do? All of this just makes me so much more exited!!!

[Clessenur]

@Lady Lover
I hate quoting big text so Im just gonna say I think "voice of all things" is the essence of things which you can hear with CoO, hence this CoL does not exist, it's just another form of CoO.
Best examples of this is Otohime and Sanji hearing the cries of another person's heart.

[Lady Lover]

@Clessenur:

@Lady Lover
I hate quoting big text so Im just gonna say I think "voice of all things" is the essence of things which you can hear with CoO, hence this CoL does not exist, it's just another form of CoO.
Best examples of this is Otohime and Sanji hearing the cries of another person's heart.

It may well be an advanced CoO, but the difference between what Roger had and how he used it and what we've seen CoO being capable of are world's apart. He was able to use his ability to the extent of being able to understand the Poneglyph's and follow their instructions to Raftel, if it was simply a CoO technique I'm certain the WG would have found Raftel by now. That's why my thoughts are leaning towards a rare form of Haki rather than a heightened CoO or DF because there must be some reason why the WG hasn't managed to reach Raftel and just remove the threat of the 'prophecy' entirely.

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! @Monkey:
! > I'm not sure how much history you know, but kingdoms don't expand through peaceful means unless they're marrying people. I don't know what moral grounds are covered in being an Empire because I can't think of any that have been acceptable since roughly 1960.
The growing Empire trope would cover an evil place. The peaceful idealistic kingdom doesn't do things like that unless it's being corrupted.
So yeah, a kingdom out to commit horribly disruptive environmental disaster in order to take more things over….this is a villain you are describing!

You're framing this like the poor undeveloped kingdoms resisted the imperial kingdom's advances.
This makes them sound like heroes lol. Good for them!

So yes again, to reiterate, the all conquering empire with huge technological powers over the rest is out to violently alter the world's entire ecosystem.
The Ancient Kingdom is a monster!

Except Oda has included exactly those sort of systems in One Piece, they even rode a sea current to Fishman Island.
And that ignores the part where I pointed out internal One Piece logic, of the Grand Line (where like 90% of the strangness is) means that the end of it...would destroy and otherwise horribly mangle many many of the islands there.
Also when the heck was there an island made of dessert?

One Piece is already an extremely globalized world.

Ok, so we have a poorly understood reference from you about globalization (which has downsides btw).
And....what else do we have.

I guess we just completely disagree, I personally don't see the ecological ramifications as being all that likely, what currently occurs in OP and what would theoretically occur after such a change is completely unpredictable, I just don't think we'll see an environmentalist theme played out. I'll wait for this hypothesis to be found true/false as the story develops.

[Monkey King]

@Lady:

I guess we just completely disagree, I personally don't see the ecological ramifications as being all that likely, what currently occurs in OP and what would theoretically occur after such a change is completely unpredictable, I just don't think we'll see an environmentalist theme played out. I'll wait for this hypothesis to be found true/false as the story develops.

The Grand Line stuff is inarguable. Little Garden was literally straight up told to us as being only possible due to the Grand Line.
In other words, sorry but Oda does pay attention to these things. One Piece operates on a mix of fantasy and real logic, and you can't ignore that.

Others have said it in so many other words, that the Grand Line has never been presented as an evil force, it's presented as a harrowing dangerous majestic force of nature, not unlike a mountain range or something. There's never been any hint of it being a malvolent force. Destroying it just sounds ridiculous.

And this isn't friggin' environmentalist, it's called the "Way the World Works".

[EvoWarrior5]

@AussieLuffy:

For me, the main thing wrong with this theory is not its theoretical ideas, but its lack of fillers (of course, since you're not Oda (I think) you can't know those). By this, I mean what is Dragon gonna do? What are the Yonko gonna do about all this revolutionary thinking about freedom? What will the Shicibukai and the other young pirates do? All of this just makes me so much more exited!!!

@ Dragon, personally I'm a fan of the theory that Dragon does not in fact have a Devil Fruit power, but instead he is the Uranus, the third Ancient Weapon, who can control the weather. This may come into place if the destruction of the Red- and Grand Line would have thrown anything out of whack. He can jump in and fix it all.

I'm being real obscure here but I like letting Oda fill in a lot. So anyways, Dragon 4 Uranus!

[Ashura_KingFisher]

@EvoWarrior5:

@ Dragon, personally I'm a fan of the theory that Dragon does not in fact have a Devil Fruit power, but instead he is the Uranus, the third Ancient Weapon, who can control the weather. This may come into place if the destruction of the Red- and Grand Line would have thrown anything out of whack. He can jump in and fix it all.

I'm being real obscure here but I like letting Oda fill in a lot. So anyways, Dragon 4 Uranus!

I liked that idea once… but come to think of it, the first weapon is a war ship and the second one, a living being. Knowing Oda, the last one might be something new and totally unexpected (just like us not expecting Shirahosi being the Poseidon)

[EvoWarrior5]

@Ashura_KingFisher:

I liked that idea once… but come to think of it, the first weapon is a war ship and the second one, a living being. Knowing Oda, the last one might be something new and totally unexpected (just like us not expecting Shirahosi being the Poseidon)

Yea, it could be something different from the other two.
Still, for now it seems most plausible to me that it could be Dragon. It would give him a big role to play in the final arc (and beyond), it would explain the powers he has shown to possess up 'till now, and if it's a Devil Fruit that would be one stupidly overpowered fruit, and would take the number 1 or maybe 2 in my list of OP fruits.

But I'll keep my mind open that the Uranus could be something completely different. Though the weather thing is most compatible with your theory.

[Piitan]

@EvoWarrior5:

Dragon 4 Uranus!

16 chars of :ninja:

[Monkey King]

@EvoWarrior5:

Yea, it could be something different from the other two.
Still, for now it seems most plausible to me that it could be Dragon. It would give him a big role to play in the final arc (and beyond), it would explain the powers he has shown to possess up 'till now, and if it's a Devil Fruit that would be one stupidly overpowered fruit, and would take the number 1 or maybe 2 in my list of OP fruits.

But I'll keep my mind open that the Uranus could be something completely different. Though the weather thing is most compatible with your theory.

The three godly beings in question are three different aspects. Poseidon ruled the sea, Pluto (Hades) ruled the underworld and was in charge of death, and Uranus was the sky himself.
So Uranus is probably sky or space based, rather than just randomly being Dragon, unless Dragon controls the skies or something (like Shirahoshi controls the Sea Kings).

[Oyabun of OP]

@Ashura_KingFisher:

Theory genius

Umm Ashura, I'm wondering what you think of the Gorousei in regards to the Void Century, etc. I personally think that the Gorousei have a direct tie to the Void Century (i.e. descendants of World Government leaders), but I'm even more inclined to believe that the Gorousei were personally involved in the events of the Void Century and played a pivotal role in the obliteration of the Ancient Kingdom - my best guess is that they were citizens of Ancient Kingdom and betrayed the AK which led to its downfall.

I say this because when Clover was conversing with the Gorousei on Ohara in regards to the AK in the VC, as Clover was about to reveal the name of the kingdom, and the Gorousei ordered to kill him, it almost seemed that the Gorousei were overwhelmed, as if they had a personal tie to the AK, VC, and the events pertaining to them. Here is what I'm referring to: http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-395-page-9.html

[Monkey King]

I have a vague feeling that the Gorusei have been alive for much much longer than usual. I even wonder if Bonney and her fruit have something to do with it.

[Ashura_KingFisher]

@Oyabun:

I say this because when Clover was conversing with the Gorousei on Ohara in regards to the AK in the VC, as Clover was about to reveal the name of the kingdom, and the Gorousei ordered to kill him, it almost seemed that the Gorousei were overwhelmed, as if they had a personal tie to the AK, VC, and the events pertaining to them. Here is what I'm referring to: http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-395-page-9.html

I have thrown my personal opinion about that in page 3.

or check this out

@Monkey:

I have a vague feeling that the Gorusei have been alive for much much longer than usual. I even wonder if Bonney and her fruit have something to do with it.

thinking of that as well.

I've been wondering why would Oda called them gorosei aka 'the 5 Old/Elder Stars'. Old stars are known for one of the oldest being in the universe… Even the oldest star recorded by NASA is older than the universe itself (approx 14,5 billion years old, while universe has been existed for 'only' 13,8 billion years). If the gorosei title was based on it, then it might say something about their true identity.

[admiraldenznewgate22]

maybe AK is really evil kingdom. destroying the 2 redlines for allowing the people to travel the whole world easy is not enough reason to destroy the redline mountains. when they heared about the news of 'ALLIANCE OF 20 KINGDOMS" they started to carved into poneglyphs. they carve a false history about void century because someday AK's One Piece Project will be fulfilled by a person. carving a false history will surely make the reader believe what's written in poneglyph. I don't know why oda want's us to watch the Phases of the moon? oda is a smart & unpredictable person. if he reads your theory i'm sure that he will change the ending of one piece. i think he has a back up ening story so if someone knows about his surprise ending theory he will change it. sorry for my bad english, i'm from philippines. BTW, your theory is Good!!!

[Kirk]

The Gorosei coming from the void century is actually one of the most popular theory among the fandom as well as the use of Bonney's fruit. And it will probably happen, with the use of some logic you can conclude it's the only way possible:

They keep the truth, they are what you can tell, the guardians of the truth. They destroyed an entire island to protect it, an island full of people and most of them didn't even know about the poneglyphs, that's pretty harsh.

So, what happens when one of them die? They look pretty damn old, what if 3 of them die of illness in the same year? They should be replaced. But they CANNOT be replaced since they are the guardians of truth, replacing them would mean to tell it to someone else and that goes against their duty. One could tell that an admiral would fit the job. But the youngest one (should be 40) wasn't an admiral 25 years ago and he wasn't fleet admiral either. Kong isn't part of the Gorosei so none of the admirals can replace one of the five elders.

Who else? A citizen? Impossible. A king? Then again that would mean risking to tell it to someone else. This guy could pretty much disagree and spread it. They destroyed an entire island full of people yet they would tell the truth to someone else? The last possibility would be a world noble. But we have seen these people, they probably don't know a thing about the void century and they are too stupid to keep the truth, on top of that they probably don't care at all. The 5 elders are way different from the world nobles.

I can't think of any possibilities. Not to mention that changing the Gorosei every 50 years would definitely change the original truth (pretty much like the chinese whispers game, ya know?). It has been kept since 800 years, so the guardians are the same since 800 years. They cannot die (Bonney's DF?) and it is their duty to keep the truth as long as they can. And the scars could be a hint about this (did they fight during the ancient war?). As for who they really are, they could be chosen citizens from the void century, soldiers, kings, D's and so on…There, that was my two cents about this.

[Oyabun of OP]

Exactly Kirk, the Gorousei are the guardians of truth, but I think they are protecting an inconvenient truth. I feel as though in that moment with Professor Clover, just the revelation of the AK's name was something that put the Gorousei in anguish, and if they had a role to play in the Ancient Kingdom's downfall and Void Century, I think that the Gorousei were a malicious enemy that destroyed the AK from the inside out, OR I think if the Gorousei lived in those times that they made an ERROR of some kind which led to the destruction of the Ancient Kingdom, the Void Century and possible creation of some anomalies in the OP world. That ERROR is something that they do not want to get out.

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@Ashura_KingFisher:

I have thrown my personal opinion about that in page 3.

or check this out

thinking of that as well.

I've been wondering why would Oda called them gorosei aka 'the 5 Old/Elder Stars'. Old stars are known for one of the oldest being in the universe… Even the oldest star recorded by NASA is older than the universe itself (approx 14,5 billion years old, while universe has been existed for 'only' 13,8 billion years). If the gorosei title was based on it, then it might say something about their true identity.

This was very interesting… I'll comment later on this. Thanks Ashura.

[Kirk]

@Oyabun:

Exactly Kirk, the Gorousei are the guardians of truth, but I think they are protecting an inconvenient truth.

Well yea, that goes without saying.

@Oyabun:

I think that the Gorousei were a malicious enemy that destroyed the AK from the inside out

Could be. But I think they actually are "neutral guys" who truly care about the safety of the world, and they will do everything to avoid the chaos. Telling the truth will spread the chaos from all over the world, and I think that's why they want to keep it, not because it will ruin their political position.

[starwan]

My theory is quite similar in some way.
"One Piece" and "One Peace" sound similar in Japanese.
Roger couldn't execute "One Piece" project because he realize he and his crew couldn't execute "One Peace" at that time.
What is "one peace"?
When WB said about the great war that engulf the entire world, its not when someone is about to execute "One Piece", its after.
Just think it, Unite the ocean is very great, but that also mean uniting people from weak peacefull place and strong infamous pirates from the NW that before is separated by the huge barrier. Unite the ocean(litellary also uniting the whole OP World) will result in big conquering competition in the whole world, and don't forget the large coup de etat organization, the Revolutionist. the smaller case is WB teritory after his death.
Roger is waiting for the one that can bring "One Peace" to the chaos after "One Piece".
The one that execute "One Piece" can be Luffy or even the yonkou "Kurohige", the chaos will be worsened by Monkey D Dragon, and then stopped by Luffy with peoples(that included some mountain bandit, pirate, marines, exWG agent :ninja:,Giant, FishMan,Merfolk, and some Kingdom/Queendom/Okamadom) help, archieving both ONE PIECE and ONE PEACE.

Still waiting for "Only Oda Know" years(more so because of some unnecesary thing He added on the recent years LoL).

[IceIceBaby]

Wow, really compelling theory. I'm not sure I have anything useful to add here, just a random thought. When you present this theory - looking for the lost island civilization (AK and Raftel) which was technologically advanced but wiped out in a distant age, travel to the moon (Enel) , fighters who have a premonition (haki) of their opponents moves, a winged people in floating land (Skypiea), and a woman who is key to a secret weapon (Poseidon), one thing that comes to mind is Escaflowne. I know some of these themes appear in tons of different stories and fairy tails, so I'm not suggesting any excessive cribbing here, just a loose association. Perhaps that loose association, if it influenced Oda, will also influence us to think along similar lines.

[Monkey King]

All of those are really common cliches in epic fantasy/sci fi. All of them. Except maybe the moon thing.

[Shadowgreed]

@Monkey:

All of those are really common cliches in epic fantasy/sci fi. All of them. Except maybe the moon thing.

The moon theory is great and everything but the thousand sunny needs something more than an air blast to get there thats why I believe that the one to come down will be Enel and his army with the knowledge of the moons and no the other way around

[ultrabeckman]

don't you think that ussop will also fulfill his goal on this plan?, because he's always saying that he will be the bravest man of the sea not because he can't think of anything for his goal but if you think of it, it look like oda is up to something. when it comes to that there will be needed a sacrifice for this plan and the big 3 from SH crew is exhausted. i think you ussop will remember all what will he want to be and what he came for. and sacrifice himself and be remembered as a BRAVEST MAN OF THE SEA! :D

[Ookami]

Thx for this great theory. I like how everyone contributes to the subject. I also have a supporting idea. But I think different with you at one point.
In order to create one piece and unite seas not two points have to be destroyed. It is hinted in series that Mariejoa will be destroyed by Luffy but nothing about Reverse Mountains. Think about it, even if you destroy Mariejoa, all seas will be united and GL may still be destroyed. But where is the ancient weapon to destroy the island? There was something that bugged me since I saw it and now I found the answer thanks to you. Here it is:

!
!

This is from chapter 490, page 3 and 4. Yes this is at the end of Thriller Bark Arc. Remember how close Florian Triangle and Redline is? I first thought that thing in mist was Poseidon (since the shape resembles a trident). But we are now revealed Poseidon. But it is for sure the Ancient weapon to destroy the FI and Marieoja (Pluto? Uranus? you name it). It was hid there by AK.I also think Florian Triangle was created by AK to hide the weapon. This also suggests the probability of creating artificial phenomenons and weather conditions.

Edit: This is seen better in anime.

[Monkey King]

@Ookami:

Edit: This is seen better in anime.

Nope. Any big theory making has to rely on the manga. Oda is the story guy and he didn't draw the anime. The most accurate image of anything is in the manga, and I don't think those three monsters or whatever they are look like a trident. It's probably just three of them standings together.

[Ookami]

I didnt mean it looks like trident more in anime. But it still looks like trident to me as it is in manga.
Anyway, how they look doesnt matter since we know it is not Poseidon. But there is a strong possibility it is an Ancient weapon, right?

[Toucan]

@Ookami:

I didnt mean it looks like trident more in anime. But it still looks like trident to me as it is in manga.
Anyway, how they look doesnt matter since we know it is not Poseidon. But there is a strong possibility it is an Ancient weapon, right?

Not really, we already know Pluton is a battleship and Poseidon is Shirahoshi. The only mystery is Uranus, which I doubt would be wandering around in the Florian Triangle.

[Ookami]

@Toucan:

Not really, we already know Pluton is a battleship and Poseidon is Shirahoshi. The only mystery is Uranus, which I doubt would be wandering around in the Florian Triangle.

And? Cant it be Pluton? How much is known about Pluton? And you just decline the theory but not suggest anything about that huge monster (atleast 10x the size of Thriller Bark and the entire reason of existence of Florian Triangle).
The thread suggests Pluton will be used to destroy the Redline. I dont think this monster (Dont know how should I refer to) being so close to Redline is coincidence.

[valiantt]

@Ookami:

And? Cant it be Pluton? How much is known about Pluton? And you just decline the theory but not suggest anything about that huge monster (atleast 10x the size of Thriller Bark and the entire reason of existence of Florian Triangle).
The thread suggests Pluton will be used to destroy the Redline. I dont think this monster (Dont know how should I refer to) being so close to Redline is coincidence.

The problem there is very little evidence that sustains that this thing can be Pluton. Also note that Pluton WILL PROBABLY something like a boat (at least it seems like it would be a boat since it is something that is "built" by "shipwrights"). How does that thing resemble a boat in any form?

Also, wasn't the Pluton supposed to be located in the vicinity of Alabasta?

[Ookami]

@valiantt:

The problem there is very little evidence that sustains that this thing can be Pluton. Also note that Pluton WILL PROBABLY something like a boat (at least it seems like it would be a boat since it is something that is "built" by "shipwrights"). How does that thing resemble a boat in any form?

Also, wasn't the Pluton supposed to be located in the vicinity of Alabasta?

Well here are some ships probably "built" by "shipwrights". -> http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Island_Ship http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Ryugu
And this is a supreme weapon -> http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Poseidon Welcome to the OP universe.
I think poneglyph leading to Pluton was in Alabasta. But not sure if the weapon itself is supposed to be there.

[Monkey King]

@Ookami:

And? Cant it be Pluton? How much is known about Pluton?

Pluton is a battleship, and those appear to be three giant monsters. I'm thinking we can rule out them being Pluton.

And you just decline the theory but not suggest anything about that huge monster (atleast 10x the size of Thriller Bark and the entire reason of existence of Florian Triangle).

You don't need to come up with a different idea of what they are to say that your idea doesn't make sense though.

The thread suggests Pluton will be used to destroy the Redline. I dont think this monster (Dont know how should I refer to) being so close to Redline is coincidence.

Pluton is battleship.

Well here are some ships probably "built" by "shipwrights".

The first one isn't canon, and the second one isn't a ship. It's a passenger seating area added on top of a fish. It's a glorified saddle.

And this is a supreme weapon

Yes, that's the one that's not called a battleship prior to when we found out about it. A person can be a weapon, that's a pretty normal figure of speech.

Welcome to the OP universe.

In the OP universe ships are still ships though. So giant monster people can't be battleships.

And no Valiant is right, Pluton is hidden in Alabasta somewhere. It was important to Crocodile's plan, otherwise why would he have tried the entire scheme he did. All he would have to do with Robin was sneak into the tomb if that Poneglyph was just saying it was somewhere else.

That alone refutes that the Florian giants are Pluton.

[Ookami]

I try to tell you, it may be a ship but it is not supposed to be made of wood and metal. Poseidon is a weapon but is made of flesh. Pluton may be too. Also your suggestion about Pluton being in Alabasta is an assumption, which you partly accepted by using words "otherwise why would he". So it is not certain.
Well I just suggested a theory and you have no intention to eat it. Wont try to tell you anymore.
But I still dont approve your way of thinking. Just because it is not canon doesnt mean it doesnt belong to OP universe. We may continue to argue about that if you want.

[valiantt]

@Ookami:

I try to tell you, it may be a ship but it is not supposed to be made of wood and metal. Poseidon is a weapon but is made of flesh. Pluton may be too.

I'm pretty sure it is not. I mean, how would you build a ship made out of flesh…honestly? (aside from attaching a sea king or something to it but still...this isn't something you "BUILD"). It is something actually build-able since blue prints actually exist for the thing JUST in case Pluton 1 shows up (refer back to Water 7 arc for this)

Also your suggestion about Pluton being in Alabasta is an assumption, which you partly accepted by using words "otherwise why would he". So it is not certain.

How is this an assumption? Go back and reread the Alabasta arc. There is a reason why Croc wanted to take control of that kingdom. He wasn't doing it for shits and giggles.

Well I just suggested a theory and you have no intention to eat it. Wont try to tell you anymore.
But I still dont approve your way of thinking. Just because it is not canon doesnt mean it doesnt belong to OP universe. We may continue to argue about that if you want.

Non-canon also means it doesn't necessarily HAVE to exist in the OP universe either. So this is a moot point. Also, another word of advice for the future, don't use anime/movie references to support your point.

[Ookami]

What annoys me is not you declining my theory but how you do it. While I choose words as "may", "might" ; you talk like everything you say is certain.
Anyways none of us will be sure until Oda decides to reveal it himself. And that is atleast 5 years. But I still have a feeling that monster's identity will be revealed in Big Mom Arc if it is not Pluton.

[valiantt]

When you're wrong, you're wrong. There's no if and or buts about it. That thing isn't Pluton. That in itself is a certainty.
There's something called reading the text and making reasonable deductions.

[Ansatsuken]

@Ookami:

What annoys me is not you declining my theory but how you do it. While I choose words as "may", "might" ; you talk like everything you say is certain.
Anyways none of us will be sure until Oda decides to reveal it himself. And that is atleast 5 years. But I still have a feeling that monster's identity will be revealed in Big Mom Arc if it is not Pluton.

Gonna need some thicker skin if you wanna last on AP.

And Pluton? Confirmed in to be a island-levelling ship at least as far back as Enies Lobby, if not during Arabasta.

[EvoWarrior5]

I know that Pluton is confirmed to be a warship, though, it was never confirmed to actually be in Alabasta, was it now?
The Poneglyph was in Alabasta, yes. But the weapon? I don't think anybody ever really downright said it was there as well.

Robin just said "This Poneglyph only speaks of Pluton, what it is and where it is located.", the exact words she said about Poseidon back at Skypiea. Was Poseidon on Skypiea? No it was most definitely not. It appeared to be 20.000 meters lower, halfway over Paradise.

I'm not saying Pluton can definitely not be in Alabasta. It's just that I don't remember somebody explicitly saying it was there.
In fact, we know from chapter 0 that Roger had "found a weapon". This was in the New World so he had already passed FI at that point, so it may have been more metaphorical as in, he found the Poseidon. But it could also be that he took this weapon somewhere somehow, so it might be the Uranus (if the Uranus is an object and is not Dragon or something) or even Pluton.

[Kirk]

@EvoWarrior5:

I'm not saying Pluton can definitely not be in Alabasta. It's just that I don't remember somebody explicitly saying it was there.

Cobra's reaction to Crocodile's words about Pluton pretty much confirms it.
This page confirms it as well: http://eatmanga.com/Manga-Scan/One-Piece/One-Piece-218/page-3
"If you told that to Crocodile, on that moment, this country would have come under his control".

[Ookami]

@valiantt:

When you're wrong, you're wrong. There's no if and or buts about it. That thing isn't Pluton. That in itself is a certainty.
There's something called reading the text and making reasonable deductions.

Yeah that is what exactly annoys me. Saying that I am wrong doesnt make me wrong. Your attitude is not of a reasonable man so I wont rely on your reasoning. Thanks for your thoughts anyways.

[valiantt]

@Ookami:

Yeah that is what exactly annoys me. Saying that I am wrong doesnt make me wrong. Your attitude is not of a reasonable man so I wont rely on your reasoning. Thanks for your thoughts anyways.

Well at least it ended the way i wanted it to: me with a number of reasons why it cant be pluto and you with nothing to back it up aside from "your attitude makes me sad. " yeaahhh….thats enough of that ;)

[Ookami]

Yeah some like to come up with ideas to be theory, and some like to assume they have proven wrong these theories with false assumptions just because they dont want to accept. Just waiting for some other brilliant guy to come up with new ideas.

[Kirk]

@Ookami:

and some like to assume they have proven wrong these theories with false assumptions just because they dont want to accept.

You are the one making false assumptions here. You come up with a theory saying that Pluton isn't located in Alabasta while it is implied to be located there. And then you say it isn't a warship but something made of flesh while it is stated that Pluton is a warship: http://eatmanga.com/Manga-Scan/One-Piece/One-Piece-344/page-14

[Ookami]

There is something wrong with your understanding skills. I didnt say Pluton isnt a warship. It is stated Pluton is a warship. But it can also be something bizzare (Thriller Bark is called a ship too, remember?). It is supposed to be something bizzare. So I understand you guys cant understand. Oda is no ordinary people.
Pluton being in Alabasta is just an assumption. A probable one. Just like it not being in Alabasta. It is never stated that Pluton is in Alabasta. So if you say Pluton is in Alabasta with a probability of 99% , I will go with 1%. Like I said, Oda is no ordinary people.
And guys you forget something. I didnt want to tell this since it is so obvious truth and I thought you would understand. But; we didnt even see the monster in the mist. We just saw its silhouette. So supporters of "Pluton is not flesh-made.", you may not be wrong. Since we dont know what the monster in the mist is made of.
Really dont know how more obviously I can explain.

[Kirk]

@Ookami:

There is something wrong with your understanding skills.

And there is something wrong with your reading comprehension.

@Ookami:

I didnt say Pluton isnt a warship. It is stated Pluton is a warship. But it can also be something bizzare (Thriller Bark is called a ship too, remember?).

What about it? It is said to be the world biggest ship, that is all, it's not alive.

@Ookami:

But, we didnt even see the monster in the mist.

And you won't ever see it. It's just Oda toying with his readers making an horror movie cliche ending.

[Ookami]

@Kirk:

And you won't ever see it. It's just Oda toying with his readers making an horror movie cliche ending.

Something that is 20x (I said 10x first but now I look, it is BIGGER) size of Thriller Bark is just toying you say? That thing is the biggest thing we have seen through series aside from islands and sea. If you are not satisfied with just this fact, I will really work and come with size comparison illustrations.

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@Kirk:

What about it? It is said to be the world biggest ship, that is all, it's not alive.

I dont even know what to say. It must be easy to live ignorant.

[Kirk]

@Ookami:

Something that is 20x (I said 10x first but now I look, it is BIGGER) size of Thriller Bark is just toying you say? That thing is the biggest thing we have seen through series aside from islands and sea. If you are not satisfied with just this fact, I will really work and come with size comparison illustrations.

So what if it's big? Do you have size issues? This is Grand Line. There are huges creatures, huge people and so on. We won't see every mysteries of GL, we have only seen a short part of it. Thriller Bark's monster is just an example of it, it does not need to be resolved, it just feed the whole Grand Line's mysteries.

@Ookami:

I dont even know what to say. It must be easy to live ignorant.

Oh wow, we have a badass right there.

[Ookami]

What are you even doing in a theory thread if you are not going to take any theory? To you, anything that is not seen is not possible to happen. I give possibilities, you dont accept. I give facts, you dont accept. So tell me why are you here please? To troll?
Will you ever understand, just because you say "we wont ever see that big creature", doesnt make it true. Are you Oda? Do you even believe any possibility? Tell us what you predict to happen please. I so much wonder what you have to say.

[Kirk]

@Ookami:

Do you even believe any possibility? Tell us what you predict to happen please. I so much wonder what you have to say.

Sure, I have wrote something about Pluton, right there:

! > We all know that coverstories are pretty much important to the story. Every characters who got his own coverstory came back to the story with differents purpose. Buggy, Ace, Mr2, Crocodile, Mr3, Jango, Hachi, Coby, Helmeppo. Some of them have yet to make their come back, but it's a matter of time.

Now about Gedatsu. What could he do? Why such a random character got his own coverstory? Its been a while now, yet nothing happened? Seems weird to me.

You all know about Pluton. Crocodile knew that Pluton was located in Alabasta (how the hell he knows is still a mystery), and according to Cobra and Robin, it is safe to assume that Pluton is indeed located in Alabasta.

! [http://arc.batoto.net/comics/2011/05/03/o/read4dc0831e39fe8/One Piece - 218 - 03.jpg](http://arc.batoto.net/comics/2011/05/03/o/read4dc0831e39fe8/One Piece - 218 - 03.jpg)

So… where the hell is Pluton? An huge warship...that is not found since about 900 years??

According to Robin, ancient weapon's names share the names of Gods.

Poseidon= god of the sea
Uranis= god of the sky
Pluton (or Hades) = god of the underground

Well, yea. Underground. That's the key word.

Where should we look for? underground in One Piece?

! http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130121101348/onepiece/images/d/dc/Chapter_331.png

Hell yea. Gedatsu's coverstory. And now, what's going on in this story? Well you know it:

! http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130121101350/onepiece/images/2/2d/Chapter_338.png

! http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130121101438/onepiece/images/b/bc/Chapter_342.png

! http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130121101438/onepiece/images/5/55/Chapter_343.png

Alabasta.
In short, Pluton as a name is related to the underground. Underground in One Piece can be found in Gedatsu's coverstory and this coverstory is related to Alabasta where Pluton should be located.

So my theory is this: I think that Gedatsu will accidentaly discover Pluton while digging in the underground of Alabasta. Which mean, I think that Pluton is hidden in the underground.
I'm not saying that Gedatsu will own Pluton, obviously. Lof of stuff can happen from the moment Pluton is discovered and known around the world.

[Ookami]

@Kirk:

Sure, I have wrote something about Pluton, right there:

So you can contribute instead of trolling. I like your theory. It is possible.

[Kirk]

@Ookami:

So you can contribute instead of trolling.

You must be new to the Internet if you thought I was trolling.