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Toriko II: Ichiryuu's Slimy Insides!!
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Ya,,, exactly. Goku was around 40 years old in DBZ, and his voice was…..... damn.
and at least Komatsu is made to look childish + still has a much more bearable voice than 40y/o Goku's.
and btw, Tina shows less and less with each arc. she didn't appear at all in Shining Gourami or Meteor Garlic... I don't recall even a scene for her in those. she just appears in fillers now.
Great I hope the anime will also show some blood and gore
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Great I hope the anime will also show some blood and gore
Dont get your hopes up my friend
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The new opening song was neat, I hope to say the same when I see the opening sequence. Some Bishokukai aside the Sous Chefs and maybe Midora would be awesome, as well for other characters in action like Teppei, Aimaru…
Maybe we´ll start getting shorter lasting openings, about an arc or two, and this one will cover the Bubble Fruit arc?
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The new opening song was neat, I hope to say the same when I see the opening sequence. Some Bishokukai aside the Sous Chefs and maybe Midora would be awesome, as well for other characters in action like Teppei, Aimaru…
Maybe we´ll start getting shorter lasting openings, about an arc or two, and this one will cover the Bubble Fruit arc?
Lolz. I'd advise u not to get ur hopes up, since this is likely gonna stay for 2 years :)
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That´s why I proposed two scenarios P:
Also, usually the first opening is unusually long, but the following ones last less. I´m not saying it won´t last two years, but I doubt it´ll last as much as the first did.
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I am relatively new to the anime so excuse me for the stupid question.But has the anime always had the same opening? Like ever since it started?
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I am relatively new to the anime so excuse me for the stupid question.But has the anime always had the same opening? Like ever since it started?
lolz. can u imagine that? :) 100 episodes with the same opening. it just changed on last episode (99). And don't worry, it's not a stupid question at all.
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They added a small sequence with zebra after his anime debut, and some characters like teppei and yosaku on the bg when the opening ends, tho
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Did anyone notice Takimaru got an extra line under his eye now
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/155567/toriko_ch221_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/17
guess he's been powering up
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I mentioned some weeks ago, but I don´t remember if someone replied.
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Awesome manga. Currently, my favourite of the whole Shonen Jump by far, much better than one piece in my opinion.
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http://www.batoto.net/read/_/156654/toriko_ch222_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/2
Are the Nitro-like creatures actually Nitro? Because they appearing was the cliffhanger of that very same chapter, but here it seems like several were defeated without even being given attention, it is kinda weird. Maybe they aren't really Nitro, seeing how one of them has the lower part of another creature, maybe they're just scum beasts :/ -
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http://www.batoto.net/read/_/156654/toriko_ch222_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/2
Are the Nitro-like creatures actually Nitro? Because they appearing was the cliffhanger of that very same chapter, but here it seems like several were defeated without even being given attention, it is kinda weird. Maybe they aren't really Nitro, seeing how one of them has the lower part of another creature, maybe they're just scum beasts :/GT Robos seems like the obvious answer
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Toriko is an amazing manga. I would say it is my favorite shonen manga but for some reason I feel like I am obligated to say One Piece for that.
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http://www.batoto.net/read/_/156654/toriko_ch222_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/2
Are the Nitro-like creatures actually Nitro? Because they appearing was the cliffhanger of that very same chapter, but here it seems like several were defeated without even being given attention, it is kinda weird. Maybe they aren't really Nitro, seeing how one of them has the lower part of another creature, maybe they're just scum beasts :/Scum beasts with Nitro DNA?
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Scum beasts with Nitro DNA?
Thats probably our best bet. We don't really know the amount of genetic munipulation that took place.
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Toriko is an amazing manga. I would say it is my favorite shonen manga but for some reason I feel like I am obligated to say One Piece for that.
It is an amazing manga! :p
In my opinion its better than Fairy Tail or Bleach. One Piece is great all the time(HunterXHunter too) and Naruto sucks a little bit, cause of many fillers/flashbacks.
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It is an amazing manga! :p
In my opinion its better than Fairy Tail or Bleach. One Piece is great all the time(HunterXHunter too) and Naruto sucks a little bit, cause of many fillers/flashbacks.
Toriko is very intresting. Many amazing characters and a good plot.I only don't read Bleach and Naurto so I can my really judge those ones. Toriko amd One Piece are without a doubt in the top tier for me. Hunter x Hunter would be up there but I only on chapter 90 or something. Fairy Tail was good at the begining but it slowly got worse. Toriko is also creeping up on One Piece. It might even replace it as my favorite manga eventually.
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Don´t be afraid to say your favorite manga is other than One Piece, because it´s okay. People changes. When I came here OP was my fave, but I didn´t knew Toriko until 2011, and it quickly became one of my fave mangas.
Eventually I realized that Toriko IS what I really look for in mangas, even more so than OP. I also got tired of certain formulas and aspects of OP that keep repeating over and over.
Also, with Toriko it´s the first time that I not only CARE about the main cast, but I LOVE THEM. I like each and every character. With other mangas there´ll always be characters I dislike/hate.
And for some reason, I sometimes get mad with other mangas when the pairings I like don´t get attention, or the characters involved are paired with other people, and I don´t like those pairings at all. But with Toriko I have literally no problem regardless the pairing and the characters that make them, because for some reason I can see them happening no matter how random they are :)
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Toriko is fun, but in all honesty I can't put it anywhere close to One Piece because its got very little real substance. The world building is fun, but it's not that diverse in all honesty since we don't see things like multiple cultures or anything, and the world never comes across as realistic. THe battles are fantastic, but even they tend to lack emotional weight. THe story is pretty much just a vehicle to get between point a and point b and as such is threadbare. I've never gotten emotional over Toriko. I like the characters, but they're fairly generic and I'm not super attached to any of them. One Piece is my favorite (though there are other series I think are objectively better), but there are quite a few series I'd put above Toriko. Besides One Piece, it's really not better than stuff like Berserk, Full Metal Alchemist, Gintama, The Lucifer and The Biscuit Hammer, Vinland Saga, Magi, and quite a few others I could name.
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It´s not really about comparing world building and culture. One Piece is stronger than Toriko in several points, yet weaker in some others.
One of the things that I prefer on Toriko, for example, is handling the antagonists.
Toriko has this group of evil guys, they battle on ocassions and both sides grow and get stronger. They are rivals but respect each other.
On the other hand, several (I am aware that not all of them are like this, in fact, many of them aren´t like this) of the OP villains are strong guys overconfident on their abilities, with evil plans and no redeeming qualities. Luffy and his group arrives to their island/country/base, beat the shit outta him/her and its minions, and peace and rainbows come back to the place. The villain either comes back a million chapters later or is never seen again…
In the end, how a manga becomes the favorite of a person, depends entirely of said person. There are things I will love on a manga that other people won´t really enjoy, and vice-versa.
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It´s not really about comparing world building and culture. One Piece is stronger than Toriko in several points, yet weaker in some others.
One of the things that I prefer on Toriko, for example, is handling the antagonists.
Toriko has this group of evil guys, they battle on ocassions and both sides grow and get stronger. They are rivals but respect each other.
On the other hand, several (I am aware that not all of them are like this, in fact, many of them aren´t like this) of the OP villains are strong guys overconfident on their abilities, with evil plans and no redeeming qualities. Luffy and his group arrives to their island/country/base, beat the shit outta him/her and its minions, and peace and rainbows come back to the place. The villain either comes back a million chapters later or is never seen again…
How many Toriko villains have redeeming qualities? Because I can't really think of any, except maybe Livebearer. One Piece has tons of antagonists who turn over a new leaf or weren't completely evil from the start. Mr 2 Bon Clay, That guy on Kreig's crew, Buggy, and hell, even Doflamingo as he's been protrayed recently are perfect examples of this. Luffy has rivals, but they're guys like Law and Kid who were at a similar starting point. And One Piece ivllains are usually far more complex, with guys like Arlong who are undoubtedly evil, but who have realistic reasons behind how they got the way they are. I wouldn't say having mutual respect makes a villain better. That's an incredibly generic, shoneny trait and doesn't really make me think of them as better characters
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Yeah, people latching on to Toriko so tightly puzzles me because it doesn't really have much substance at all, and Toriko himself is pretty lame tbh. If somebody like Sunny or Zebra had been the protag, then we'd be talking
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Toriko for me is just that weekly full of testosterone manga i need.
And Nitros.
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I specifically said that not all villains of OP were like that, that even several of them weren´t like that. And again, it´s a matter of opinions and POV.
Neither I implied all Toriko villains had redeeming qualities.
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so I watched the episode of the OP X DBZ X Toriko collaboration and it was really funny…is the OP the same thing because in one of my website it was.
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Both mangas are very good in their own ways. Thats what sets them apart from each other. Some people really like the strengths of Toriko and some really hate its weaknesses thus causing them to hate the series. Same goes for One Piece. Its really a matter of opinion and both mangas are very popular in Japan so there is no denying the fact that they are both well written mangas.
Anyways I always felt like One Piece was more of a "stepping stone" manga considering it was the first one I read. I mean it is good but the fact that almost everyone likes it kinda bothers me for some reason.
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What Toriko has and OP currently lacks:
Pace. Every Toriko chapter delivers a lot in that regard, while in One Piece I feel the story to progress much slower. Even an island without any enemy that could fight against Luffy like the fish-man's island had a 4-5 volume length. This is way too much!Lack of fanservice. This is hilarious. Which was the last decent/serious fight we saw from Nami and Robin?
Contextualization. In one piece everything is much more ambiguous/inconsistent. For one part we are told that Nami has no super-strenght, but then we see her fighting Califa and taking her punches like nothing.
Better fights. Well, One Piece's fights are also good, but with weaker drawing/choreography than Toriko ones. Furthermore, in Toriko the power never goes out of character, while in OP we see this happening in some occasions (but nothing comparable to Fairy tail, where every fight is so out-of character that at the end being out-of-character makes them being in-character, because coherence doesn't exist on that manga).
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What Toriko has and OP currently lacks:
Pace. Every Toriko chapter delivers a lot in that regard, while in One Piece I feel the story to progress much slower. Even an island without any enemy that could fight against Luffy like the fish-man's island had a 4-5 volume length. This is way too much!Lack of fanservice. This is hilarious. Which was the last decent/serious fight we saw from Nami and Robin?
Contextualization. In one piece everything is much more ambiguous/inconsistent. For one part we are told that Nami has no super-strenght, but then we see her fighting Califa and taking her punches like nothing.
Better fights. Well, One Piece's fights are also good, but with weaker drawing/choreography than Toriko ones. Furthermore, in Toriko the power never goes out of character, while in OP we see this happening in some occasions (but nothing comparable to Fairy tail, where every fight is so out-of character that at the end being out-of-character makes them being in-character, because coherence doesn't exist on that manga).
Toriko doesn't have fanserivce because the mangaka can't draw women well. THat's really all there is to it. You says when's the last time Nami or Robin did anything? When's the last time Rin had a serious fight? Hell, Rin is incredibly sexist in general, and far more so that Nami and Robin who actually have personalities, hopes, and dreams that aren't related to getting into the pants of someone of the opposite gender. Also, Toriko's pacing is honestly way too fast and usually leads to me not caring. And FI was rushed if anything. It had a lot of stuff that was completely ignored or underutilized that really shouldn't have been.
See, Toriko is really only better if you're using really shallow criteria like fights, or whether the villains consider Toriko their rival (Because ALL of the villains in Toriko are incredibly two-dimensional. They may be entertaining in some cases, but they really aren't memorable in and of themselves. Even TOmmyrod is pretty cookiecutter in his actual character, the glorious fights aside). It does have Amazing fights, but that isn't substance. Toriko is a good manga, but it'll never be a great one.
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I specifically said that not all villains of OP were like that, that even several of them weren´t like that. And again, it´s a matter of opinions and POV.
Neither I implied all Toriko villains had redeeming qualities.
No you pretty much did imply that considering as part of your complaints you said and I quote "with evil plans and no redeeming qualities". At the very least that implies more TOriko villains have redeeming qualities than One Piece, which is a blatant lie since the only one shown with any sort of redeeming quality was Livebearer, which was honestly shoehorned in and not really handled well. As I said, Toriko's villains are amusing, but NONE are really great villains since they're all kind of generic and none of them except Midora, and Staajun even seem to have motivations at all. Like what did Tommyrod really get from being in the bishokukai? Grinpatch? Why are they fighting? Why are they evil? I mean, even guys as cartoonishly evil as Caesar Clown in One Piece are vastly better since we know a bit about why they do what they do and there personality is at least a bit less two dimensional than Toriko villains
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I wouldn't consider Rin a main character f the series though. She does turn up sometimes but for the most part she is absent. While Nami and Robin are main characters and apart of the crew. As main chracters they should probably have a lot more fights then they currently do. And I think everyone can admit that Nami's and Robin's chests are getting a tad bit ridiculous. Also the fights in One Piece have been lackluster lately while the fights in Toriko have been quite awesome as a late. But mangas have their fair share of shitty and amazing fits.
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I wouldn't consider Rin a main character f the series though. She does turn up sometimes but for the most part she is absent. While Nami and Robin are main characters and apart of the crew. As main chracters they should probably have a lot more fights then they currently do. And I think everyone can admit that Nami's and Robin's chests are getting a tad bit ridiculous. Also the fights in One Piece have been lackluster lately while the fights in Toriko have been quite awesome as a late. But mangas have their fair share of shitty and amazing fits.
See that's the thing though: There ARE NO MAIN FEMALE CHARACTERS IN TORIKO. SO I'll reiterate: The reason you don't get fanservice in Toriko is because of lack of ability and nothing else. Hell, Shimabukuro's old manga ended because he was a sex offender, so I doubt he has no interest in fanservice. I'll admit One Piece female proportions tend to be ridiculous, but that's really not all that fanservicey and One Piece is really toned back in that regard. Robin's lack of fight's is something I attribute more to her power being really hard to write for more so than her gender.
ANd again, fights are cool and all, but it's style and not substance. I like Toriko because it has amazing fights, but no matter how good the fights get that'll never put it beyond just good. And Toriko doesn't really offer much beyond fights -
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I know you and know also of your actions in other forums. You use any series, no matter if it's Toriko or another, to trash OP. Your posts make absolutely no sense, are full of idiocy and only serve for flamebait, so GTFO of here or I'll report you for trolling.
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Toriko doesn't have fanserivce because the mangaka can't draw women well. THat's really all there is to it. You says when's the last time Nami or Robin did anything? When's the last time Rin had a serious fight? Hell, Rin is incredibly sexist in general, and far more so that Nami and Robin who actually have personalities, hopes, and dreams that aren't related to getting into the pants of someone of the opposite gender. Also, Toriko's pacing is honestly way too fast and usually leads to me not caring. And FI was rushed if anything. It had a lot of stuff that was completely ignored or underutilized that really shouldn't have been.
I don't care about the reason, the fact is that OP is full of fanservice and Toriko isn't.
About Rin's serious fights… are you serious? Since when is Rin as important as a character as Nami or Robin are. Rin has even less importance than secondary characters like Teppei, but when she appears, she is treated like everybody else is, and not only havin protagonism when it's time to show some breasts.See, Toriko is really only better if you're using really shallow criteria like fights, or whether the villains consider Toriko their rival (Because ALL of the villains in Toriko are incredibly two-dimensional. They may be entertaining in some cases, but they really aren't memorable in and of themselves. Even TOmmyrod is pretty cookiecutter in his actual character, the glorious fights aside). It does have Amazing fights, but that isn't substance. Toriko is a good manga, but it'll never be a great one.
And which are those three dimensional enemies that exists in one piece may I ask?
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Both mangas are very good in their own ways. Thats what sets them apart from each other. Some people really like the strengths of Toriko and some really hate its weaknesses thus causing them to hate the series. Same goes for One Piece. Its really a matter of opinion and both mangas are very popular in Japan so there is no denying the fact that they are both well written mangas.
Anyways I always felt like One Piece was more of a "stepping stone" manga considering it was the first one I read. I mean it is good but the fact that almost everyone likes it kinda bothers me for some reason.
Popularity and being well-written have NOTHING to do with each other. Naruto is more poular in Japan than TOriko, and it's writing is utter shit. Twilight is super popular, is that well-written now? Being well-written and being really effective on a shallow target demographic are two entirely different things
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Honestly, I'm super tired of the "We hate fanservice brigade" who balk at anything even slightly fanservicey. A character having big breasts isn't a big deal. A character being shown as attractive isn't a big deal. It can get to a sexist level, but there are bigger issues than fanservice when it comes to sexism.
Toriko is incredibly sexist. Like, Name a single female character with goals and dreams and personality traits that aren't hinged around being with a man. And before someone says "but Setsuno is super strong", that's irrelevant, because strength has nothing to do with this. Setsuno is still obsessed with Jirou and while she has a few personality traits not related to that, most seem to tie back into her relationship with him. -
I know you and know also of your actions in other forums. You use any series, no matter if it's Toriko or another, to trash OP. Your posts make absolutely no sense, are full of idiocy and only serve for flamebaiting, so GTFO of here or I'll report you for trolling.
Is this the spanish inquisition again??? O_O
Hey, you are free to post a link to those forums where I trash One Piece (even when it's my second favourite manga only behind Toriko). Are you from that spanish forum that consistently tracks behind me, only because of political reasons? It's a pretty pathetic thing to do…@[B:
Aaronrules380]Honestly, I'm super tired of the "We hate fanservice brigade" who balk at anything even slightly fanservicey.
The problem is that One Piece's fanservice is increasing constantly. You can't compare the amount of fanservice it has at this moment with what it had at the beginning of the series…
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Popularity and being well-written have NOTHING to do with each other. Naruto is more poular in Japan than TOriko, and it's writing is utter shit. Twilight is super popular, is that well-written now? Being well-written and being really effective on a shallow target demographic are two entirely different things
People will argue that something is well written and people will argue that something is not well written. Its all about a matter of opinion. There is no official committee that meets up and says "Yupp, this is well written" and stamps it for approval. Anything that is published or selling well is not complete trash. Everything must have some redeeming qualities.
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People will argue that something is well written and people will argue that something is not well written. Its all about a matter of opinion. There is no official committee that meets up and says "Yupp, this is well written" and stamps it for approval. Anything that is published or selling well is not complete trash. Everything must have some redeeming qualities.
I disagree. There are plenty of things published that are complete trash. Like Bleach, or Air Gear. Writing is subjective to an extent, but one can judge it objectively based on a series of objective issues.
Toriko has no real themes, no interesting characterization, and is generally very shallow. It's not poorly written, but that doesn't mean it's well written either. Toriko is just meant to be a fun action story with no real thought behind it, and with that in mind it succeeds. But the thing is, I don't get how someone can consider something so shallow to be amazing. It's good, but there are plenty of manga that do the exact same things Toriko does better, because Toriko really doesn't do much -
Toriko has no real themes, no interesting characterization, and is generally very shallow. It's not poorly written, but that doesn't mean it's well written either. Toriko is just meant to be a fun action story with no real thought behind it, and with that in mind it succeeds. But the thing is, I don't get how someone can consider something so shallow to be amazing. It's good, but there are plenty of manga that do the exact same things Toriko does better, because Toriko really doesn't do much
To me it's amazing because it does what I expect a good shonen has to do. It doesn't try to tell you how to see reality, it doesn't try to polyphosphate about anything.
About the characters, they're much more credible than most shounen protagonists. I mean, to me it's like fresh air to have a protagonist which is not an idiot 99% of the time, only to be a fucking genius the other 1%.
Naruto was idiot but when it came the time to fight he was even more intelligent than most of the cast, at the level of Kakashi or Shikamaru.
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Is this the spanish inquisition again??? O_O
Hey, you are free to post a link to those forums where I trash One Piece (even when it's my second favourite manga only behind Toriko). Are you from that spanish forum that consistently tracks behind me, only because of political reasons? It's a pretty pathetic thing to do…The problem is that One Piece's fanservice is increasing constantly. You can't compare the amount of fanservice it has at this moment with what it had at the beginning of the series...
It's a bit more, but it's still very minor. If you really think One Piece has a ton of fanservice now than you really are very ignorant of manga and anime as a whole. Especially since One Piece fanservice tends to only last for a panel, is more played for laughs than anything, and honestly doesn't get in the way of the story. Again, I'm tired of the "Fanservice is super evil" brigade, because while it is annoying in some series that take it too far too often, the people who complain at the slightest bit of fanservice generally come off a super uptight and honestly very shallow
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To me it's amazing because it does what I expect a good shonen has to do. It doesn't try to tell you how to see reality, it doesn't try to polyphosphate about anything.
About the characters, they're much more credible than most shounen protagonists. I mean, to me it's like fresh air to have a protagonist which is not an idiot 99% of the time, only to be a fucking genius the other 1%.
Naruto was idiot but when it came the time to fight he was even more intelligent than most of the cast, at the level of Kakashi or Shikamaru.
The same goes for Luffy. He is not really clever… but then he thinks of doping himself using his rubberman condition and the fact that the veins can of course support a greater amount of blood pressure.Real people are not 2dimensional, and we don't always act completely in character. Beyond that, you're assuming Luffy came up with gear 2nd knowing how it worked. Knowing Luffy, his thinking was probably more along the lines of "If I pump my legs I'll get super powerful". There's nothing to suggest Luffy understands how Gear 2nd works. ANd having good fighting instincts is not the same as being actually intelligent anyways.
And see, my thing is that Toriko is good at being a typical shonen battle manga, but that doesn't make it a great manga. Series like One Piece and FMA are better because they successfully pull off having more going for them than being a stereotypical shonen battle manga. That's why they have far more multiple demographic appeal. Toriko is a lot of fun and its fine if its your favorite, but people need to understand that favorite isn't equivalent to best -
I disagree. There are plenty of things published that are complete trash. Like Bleach, or Air Gear. Writing is subjective to an extent, but one can judge it objectively based on a series of objective issues.
Toriko has no real themes, no interesting characterization, and is generally very shallow. It's not poorly written, but that doesn't mean it's well written either. Toriko is just meant to be a fun action story with no real thought behind it, and with that in mind it succeeds. But the thing is, I don't get how someone can consider something so shallow to be amazing. It's good, but there are plenty of manga that do the exact same things Toriko does better, because Toriko really doesn't do muchTo start off I would like to say that the theme of Toriko is without a doubt FOOD. There is no deneying that fact. It is a manga based around food and all that is possible with it. In order to build up this world that revolved around food probably took some considerable thinking. It may seem like Toriko is purely fighting with no real plot and that the writer didn't put to much thought into it but that isn't really true. Yes there is a shit ton of fighting but Toriko does contain some other elements. Like the character interactions, I personally love the dynamics between all four heavenly kings and the dynamics between the "old generation" and the "new generation". I also find the creativity of this manga to be quite astounding, the writer really expresses his imagination through the different kinds of flora,fauna, and environments that show up during the series.
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for me, that's the stuff that makes toriko awesome: (imo)
1 - Main character: no offense to any one who likes said characters, but i really came to hate the modern shounen main heroes. i'm sick of the "teenage, idiot, nakama this nakama that, power inconsistencies, etc.." main hero formula. again, no offense, but the current heroes (naruto, ichigo, luffy, gon, etc, etc…) all fulfill those boring criteria. What i'm looking for is the "mature, manly, smart, etc.." main character, the likes of good old Kenshiro, Jojo, Kongou Banchou, etc... and Toriko, of course (manly, mature, actually pretty smart, doesn't always spout nakama, friends, save my buds, save the future, blablabla).
Again, like i said, that's just what i like. Stereotypes are everywhere now, and i'm sick bored of them. we need more badasses. the thing is, with the new modern shounen trend, people are thinking of "oh, he's my age, i can relate to him,,, OR, man, that was emotional". Series nowadays are aiming at this, which is som'n i don't like. and that's why without the censorship they did with the toriko anime, i doubt it'd have lasted for even 50 episodes. it's cause they're aiming it at children who don't think about "relating to a certain character" that it's still ongoing. it's just like this: u were old, u used to watch hokuto no ken and go like "man, he's badass", but as u grow up, u'll see naruto talking about sasuke and then go "he wants to save his friend? how emotional", and then if u were to see Kenshiro when u grow older, u'd go "who's that ugly guy?lame, boring".2- Fun: Of course, when u consider the not-so-long running Toriko series, u can see it's not about any 'plot depth' and stuff like that. but even without it, it's really hell fun. and like some of u guys already said, the fights. one of the main things many watch shounen shows for is fights. and man, the fluid fights in the anime are just slick. u can't imagine how much i love them.
3- Pace: like freezamite said, the pace is important. onepiece is brilliant, and u do enjoy all arcs even if it's too long. for me though, toriko's pacing is better, and because of how 'not so long not so short' it is, u can enjoy variable arcs, and if u got bored of one arc, u won't have to wait ages to finish it.
4- Characters: i know some people hate komatsu, but i think he's cool. imo, most toriko characters are awesome, unlike other shows, just like skadi said. of course, this all depends on the person's tastes. in naruto, u have as main heroes for example: naruto, sasuke, sakura. < <even 4="" many="" hardcore="" naruto="" fans="" loathe="" those="" guys.="" in="" toriko,="" u="" have="" "toriko,="" komatsu,="" coco,="" sunny,="" zebra".="" <<only="" some="" hate="" but="" otherwise,="" a="" minority="" would="" the="" kings.="" op,="" ya,="" they're="" cool,="" again,="" for="" me,="" i="" don't="" see="" them="" all="" as="" 'awesome'.="" main="" arc="" evil="" guys="" op:="" are="" good,="" r="" not="" bad,="" shit="" (wapol).="" toriko:="" just="" badasses.="" <br="">5- I hate fanservice. That's one of the reasons i came to dislike Fairy Tail. In FT, it feels like whenever the author gets stuck, he'll show some fanservice to keep it going. and most of the fairy tail characters are themselves fanservice. in each and every arc, the author changes lucy's clothes into a new fanservice thing, and most female fights are just to show fanservice. heck, even erza's armors are mostly all about fanservice. so ya, i'm glad toriko is keeping it really fun without depending on fanservice.
in other words, i just love it cause it's fun. i don't care about depth of plot, character development, 'relating to the main character', fanservice, etc… Toriko has good plot (not deep), has badass characters(no need to 'relate' to them), doesn't stoop so low so as to depend on fanservice to grow, and is fun. I keep emphasizing on "relating" to a character because the word annoys me, and it's being used a lot these days. sorry for the long rant, and sorry if anything i said was offending :)</even>
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To start off I would like to say that the theme of Toriko is without a doubt FOOD. There is no deneying that fact. It is a manga based around food and all that is possible with it. In order to build up this world that revolved around food probably took some considerable thinking. It may seem like Toriko is purely fighting with no real plot and that the writer didn't put to much thought into it but that isn't really true. Yes there is a shit ton of fighting but Toriko does contain some other elements. Like the character interactions, I personally love the dynamics between all four heavenly kings and the dynamics between the "old generation" and the "new generation". I also find the creativity of this manga to be quite astounding, the writer really expresses his imagination through the different kinds of flora,fauna, and environments that show up during the series.
Food is not a theme, and certainly not an interesting or relevant one. Themes are more abstract concepts, whereas food is an actul physical thing. ANd more specifically, I'm talking about a thematic statement or actually saying something about the thematic concept. Even if we can accept food as a thematic concept, Toriko really doesn't say anything ABOUT food, and certainly nothing to be taken seriously, which is the hwole point of a theme
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It's a bit more, but it's still very minor. If you really think One Piece has a ton of fanservice now than you really are very ignorant of manga and anime as a whole. Especially since One Piece fanservice tends to only last for a panel, is more played for laughs than anything, and honestly doesn't get in the way of the story. Again, I'm tired of the "Fanservice is super evil" brigade, because while it is annoying in some series that take it too far too often, the people who complain at the slightest bit of fanservice generally come off a super uptight and honestly very shallow
Well, if you compare One Piece with Ikkitousen (to say a thing) of course One Piece doesn't have that much fanservice. But One Piece is one of my all-time favourites, I don't want it to reach even Fairy Tail levels of fanservice (in my opinion, enough fanservice to make me stop reading the series).
I loved One Piece since the beginning, my favourite saga is the Davy Back Fight not only because of its sense of humour, but also because everyone has an important role on that saga and things go as fast as they should.
I honestly feel that we will never see anything like that again, and it's a shame.Real people are not 2dimensional, and we don't always act completely in character. Beyond that, you're assuming Luffy came up with gear 2nd knowing how it worked. Knowing Luffy, his thinking was probably more along the lines of "If I pump my legs I'll get super powerful".
Neither One Piece nor Toriko have realist characters, and if you ask me, Toriko has much more of a real personality than Luffy, who is extremely plain in that regard (strong principles that never change no matter what).
About acting in-character, of course the context can make a character to act "out-of-character" but Nami receiving multiple Califa's punches had nothing to do with context nor anything, but being simply out of character.
About Luffy, yes, it's true that I can't prove how he got there, but he also copied the fast-travelling method of the CP9 so he is obviously smarter when he fights. I'm not saying this is bad, but it's a more canonical character than Toriko no matter how you look at it.About the character's dimensions… it all depends on the scope of the manga. If you wan't to tell a small story about three dimensional characters, then you will show their complexity since the beginning.
On One Piece we never saw this "three-dimensionality" of some of the characters until very recently, the first one being Bon Clay Mr.2 and because he was presented like an idiot who gets attached to the first that considers him a Nakama.Then on Impel Down or when we knew about the black-beard actions we saw more of that, but this wasn't shown until much-much later.
Give Toriko time to develop their HUGE universe. One Piece was entering it's Grand Line stage at chapter 100, at that point we had an accurate idea of how the world was designed, and the most important contextualizations were also made.
In Toriko we are at chapter 220+ and we can at best speak about human world.The same goes for the characters. OP's cast was pretty two-dimensional before the Grand Line, we are at that point on Toriko. This is the first saga where important secondary characters are being developed.
Toriko is a lot of fun and its fine if its your favorite, but people need to understand that favorite isn't equivalent to best
Since every manga has strong points that the other lacks, there is no "best". When I say that Toriko is better than One Piece, obviously I'm referring to it being "better for my taste" than One Piece, not better in an objective and indisputable way.
What I'm looking for when I read a shounen, my tastes… of course all of this has a direct impact in what I consider better or worse. Then of course, I'm not saying we can't argue about certain objective facts and try to discuss about what is more important than what...
Regards!
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umm what?!?
are people really complaining that One Piece villains are evil for the sake of being evil
here we have the main bad guy, who plots kidnappings, assassinations, has an evil empire and would go to war and completely annihilate the organization that helps provide care and shelter to the world and protect citizens, and kill just about the entire population of the humans on earth, because he doesn't like to share
and anyone who says toriko is a better character than Luffy isn't even worth debating, that's like saying Kim Kardashin is a beter actor than Daniel Day Lewis, it's not an opinion when it gets that absurd, it's just plain wrong
and finally the pace… REALLY!?! IN TORIKO!?! does anyone remember the beginning of this arc? the author is better pacing for people who simply like fights and action but to be honest it seems like the author has ADHD he needs to get to the fights no matter what, hence why we had a cooking festival WITH NO COOKING!!!
the characters personalities are non exsistant, we just know there appearance, their abilities and quirks, how could you compare them to One Piece characters who have dreams, a solid backstory to explain why they are the way they are today, they have speeches that show more of there personality at various points through the series
I mean I'm sorry Skadi, your really cool to talk to and all but one of your favorite characters of this series is Cedere.... what do we know about him other than his appearnce and that he's evil and has an eye fetish that only Kishi himself could surpass.... and please I'm just trying to figure it out, I think your really cool and I love talking with you about Toriko, so please I don't mean any personal offense
and all this is coming from a guy who loves to read toriko!! it's one of my favorite series, but not for substance but for pure fun, action and adventure
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Well, if you compare One Piece with Ikkitousen (to say a thing) of course One Piece doesn't have that much fanservice. But One Piece is one of my all-time favourites, I don't want it to reach even Fairy Tail levels of fanservice (in my opinion, enough fanservice to make me stop reading the series).
I loved One Piece since the beginning, my favourite saga is the Davy Back Fight not only because of its sense of humour, but also because everyone has an important role on that saga and things go as fast as they should.
I honestly feel that we will never see anything like that again, and it's a shame.Neither One Piece nor Toriko have realist characters, and if you ask me, Toriko has much more of a real personality than Luffy, who is extremely plain in that regard (strong principles that never change no matter what).
About acting in-character, of course the context can make a character to act "out-of-character" but Nami receiving multiple Califa's punches had nothing to do with context nor anything, but being simply out of character.
About Luffy, yes, it's true that I can't prove how he got there, but he also copied the fast-travelling method of the CP9 so he is obviously smarter when he fights. I'm not saying this is bad, but it's a more canonical character than Toriko no matter how you look at it.About the character's dimensions… it all depends on the scope of the manga. If you wan't to tell a small story about three dimensional characters, then you will show their complexity since the beginning.
On One Piece we never saw this "three-dimensionality" of some of the characters until very recently, the first one being Bon Clay Mr.2 and because he was presented like an idiot who gets attached to the first that considers him a Nakama.Then on Impel Down or when we knew about the black-beard actions we saw more of that, but this wasn't shown until much-much later.
Give Toriko time to develop their HUGE universe. One Piece was entering it's Grand Line stage at chapter 100, at that point we had an accurate idea of how the world was designed, and the most important contextualizations were also made.
In Toriko we are at chapter 220+ and we can at best speak about human world.The same goes for the characters. OP's cast was pretty two-dimensional before the Grand Line, we are at that point on Toriko. This is the first saga where important secondary characters are being developed.
Since every manga has strong points that the other lacks, there is no "best". When I say that Toriko is best than One Piece, obviously I'm referring to it being "best for my taste" than One Piece, not best in an objective and indisputable way.
Regards!
220 chapters is an incredibly long series. You say before the Grand Line (and I'd disagree with that, since at the very least the Strawhats were all way better developed and way more interesting by that point than anyone in Toriko.), but they reached the grandline at chapter 100. And the only secondary characters who really is being given any spotlight is Brunch. Having a bunch of secondary characters appear is not equivalent to developing them
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220 chapters is an incredibly long series. You say before the Grand Line (and I'd disagree with that, since at the very least the Strawhats were all way better developed and way more interesting by that point than anyone in Toriko.), but they reached the grandline at chapter 100. And the only secondary characters who really is being given any spotlight is Brunch. Having a bunch of secondary characters appear is not equivalent to developing them
that's the problem, none of the characters are developed, not even the main character
having a cool appearance, cool abilities, a few fight sequences and one or two quirks about you does not make you a developed character
and I love the series but there characters may as well be paper mache
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and anyone who says toriko is a better character than Luffy isn't even worth debating, that's like saying Kim Kardashin is a beter actor than Daniel Day Lewis, it's not an opinion when it gets that absurd, it's just plain wrong.
Sorry? Why is Luffy a "much better character" than Toriko that it's not even debatable in your opinion? Give me a reason, because as I see it, with a few exceptions that come from antagonists or secondary characters, in OP the cast is really simple and single-minded. I mean, has Luffy ever made a morally ambiguous decision?
In One Piece the antagonists are fine, but the main cast are all a bunch of idealists in every sense of the word.In Toriko, it seems that things are going in a different direction. The "good" ones aren't that good, and the bad ones aren't still developed. When you talk of "sharing" as if it only was a matter of sharing an object when as things are being portrayed is pretty clear that God is something more than a "good meal"… you need to give Toriko time to develop itself.
and finally the pace… REALLY!?! IN TORIKO!?! does anyone remember the beginning of this arc? the author is better pacing for people who simply like fights and action but to be honest it seems like the author has ADHD he needs to get to the fights no matter what, hence why we had a cooking festival WITH NO COOKING!!!
What? O_O
This arc started not even 20 chapters ago, and in those 20 chapters we've been introduced to a lot of new characters, to a new faction, we have seen dying one of the main characters (that's why I see so many people with the Tommy avatar I suppose), we've been given more contextualization about the importance that the chefs have on that era so we can understand why some decisions are taken, there have been some plot twists in form of traitors to the IGO and chefs, the also Nitro entered into the stage and we know that the Bishokukay have a much closer relation with them than we were told…
It's curious that you use the fact that in that cooking festival has been no cooking to support your point when what this does in fact is to support my point. If there has been no cooking on this cooking festival is because that would have slowed the pace and the author felt that to be unnecessary.Compare the last 20 chapters of toriko to the last 20 chapters of One Piece, and even that wouldn't be fair because One Piece usually condenses all the information at the end of each saga or between sagas.
the characters personalities are non exsistant, we just know there appearance, their abilities and quirks, how could you compare them to One Piece characters who have dreams, a solid backstory to explain why they are the way they are today, they have speeches that show more of there personality at various points through the series
¿Sorry? The character's personalities are very well defined. It's pretty obvious to me which personality has Zebra, or the one of Toriko or Sunny or Coco. Come on, are you really saying that Komatsu has no personality? I thought that he was hated because of it!
220 chapters is an incredibly long series. You say before the Grand Line (and I'd disagree with that, since at the very least the Strawhats were all way better developed and way more interesting by that point than anyone in Toriko.), but they reached the grandline at chapter 100. And the only secondary characters who really is being given any spotlight is Brunch. Having a bunch of secondary characters appear is not equivalent to developing them.
The difference here is in the scope. In One Piece I remember that when they entered the Grand Line I thought "this is probably half of the series" and the same happened after Arabasta.
In Toriko we have had an enormous presentation, NOW is when things are starting to move.It's true that Toriko's characters are not as developed as OP's in terms of backgrounds (not in terms of personality, where I think they are as developed as they can be), but this is something that I will judge when the series comes to a point where I can grasp the big picture of it, not now.
To me, it doesn't matter if it's been 220 chapters since the beginning, because the series is much more ambitious than One Piece ever was at the beginning (not at this point, where it has a great amount of factions and side-storys to develop).
To put you an extreme example, Hajime no Ippo is more than 1000 chapters now, but it could have ended with 100 chapters if there had been the necessity without giving the impression of an abrupt end to the story.
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Luffy He's a pirate, not a hero. He'll only help if he likes you. He'll even want you to join his crew if you're cool.
Extremely impressionable, without much of a filter.
Moving backstory that explains his undying connection to his brothers.
The pact with Shanks.
He's willing to die to rescue his crew, but also trusts his crew and knows when they can handle themselves. He has a read on each of them.
Flaws: Earnest to the point he's completely incapable of lying or even passive deception. Much like Ace, his straightforwardness and inability to back down caused a huge calamity for his crew. Explicitly relies on his entire crew to be effective as a pirate; can't navigate the world on his own.Toriko
Gluttony and adventurousness.
Has a brotherly bond with Komatsu
Was raised by Ichiryuu and uhh he was raised by Ichiryuu,
Only identifiable character trait is what sets him apart from the traditional shounen protag mold, in that he's rather competent.
Flaws: …A vague sense that he needs to get stronger? And sometimes when he eats it's played for laughs.That is why Luffy is an incontestably better character than Toriko. I should also mention that for those who are sick of shounen protag earnestness, isn't that basically what Komatsu is?
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Sorry? Why is Luffy a "much better character" than Toriko that it's not even debatable in your opinion? Give me a reason, because as I see it, with a few exceptions that come from antagonists or secondary characters, in OP the cast is really simple and single-minded. I mean, has Luffy ever made a morally ambiguous decision?
In One Piece the antagonists are fine, but the main cast are all a bunch of idealists in every sense of the word.In Toriko, it seems that things are going in a different direction. The "good" ones aren't that good, and the bad ones aren't still developed. When you talk of "sharing" as if it only was a matter of sharing an object when as things are being portrayed is pretty clear that God is something more than a "good meal"… you need to give Toriko time to develop itself.
What? O_O
This arc started not even 20 chapters ago, and in those 20 chapters we've been introduced to a lot of new characters, to a new faction, we have seen dying one of the main characters (that's why I see so many people with the Tommy avatar I suppose), we've been given more contextualization about the importance that the chefs have on that era so we can understand why some decisions are taken, there have been some plot twists in form of traitors to the IGO and chefs, the also Nitro entered into the stage and we know that the Bishokukay have a much closer relation with them than we were told...
It's curious that you use the fact that in that cooking festival has been no cooking to support your point when what this does in fact is to support my point. If there has been no cooking on this cooking festival is because that would have slowed the pace and the author felt that to be unnecessary.Compare the last 20 chapters of toriko to the last 20 chapters of One Piece, and even that wouldn't be fair because One Piece usually condenses all the information at the end of each saga or between sagas.
¿Sorry? The character's personalities are very well defined. It's pretty obvious to me which personality has Zebra, or the one of Toriko or Sunny or Coco. Come on, are you really saying that Komatsu has no personality? I thought that he was hated because of it!
The difference here is in the scope. In One Piece I remember that when they entered the Grand Line I thought "this is probably half of the series" and the same happened after Arabasta.
In Toriko we have had an enormous presentation, NOW is when things are starting to move.It's true that Toriko's characters are not as developed as OP's in terms of backgrounds (not in terms of personality, where I think they are as developed as they can be), but this is something that I will judge when the series comes to a point where I can grasp the big picture of it, not now.
To me, it doesn't matter if it's been 220 chapters since the beginning, because the series is much more ambitious than One Piece ever was at the beginning (not at this point, where it has a great amount of factions and side-storys to develop).
To put you an extreme example, Hajime no Ippo is more than 1000 chapters now, but it could have ended with 100 chapters if there had been the necessity without giving the impression of an abrupt end to the story.
One Piece presented a much bigger picture than that since the beginning, it was pretty clear that there was a world to develop, but not at the same scale than Toriko.Toriko introduced a lot of characters this arc in the same way One Piece introduced a lot of character in its most recent chapters. You'll get a bunch of names as world building, but pretty much none of them are important. Tommyrod is not a main character. He is an antagonist, and he was amusing, but honestly if his fights hadn't been as good as they were NOBODY would give a shit about him. ANd introducing characters isn't the same as developing them. Toriko has way less characters than One Piece, and yet even the main characters are about as developed as One Piece's secondary characters. Saying it has alarge scope is pointless. If Toriko couldn't make SUnny, Toriko, Coco, or Zebra into really interesting, nuanced characters in 220 chapters, then it's been doing something wrong. And no, they aren't as developed personality wise. Zebra is the generic Badass jerk with a heart of gold, with nothing beyond that. Sunny is the generic vain bishonen with nothing beyond that. They all fit neatly into archetypes with nothing really special or unique about them, especially Toriko and Coco. And things like motivations are important to understanding who a character is. I mean, we know Toriko wants to eat god, but if he doesn't have a reason for that other than that God is really delicious, then that makes him incredibly shallow as a character. I mean, from chapter 1 in One Piece we got reasons why Luffy is trying to be the pirate king and what that means to him, and we've only kept getting more since
Also, how was Toriko more ambitious? Stuff like the gourmet world didn't pop up until way down the line, and the fact is Toriko's pacing suggests it'll be done in much less time than One Piece. One Piece is at over 700 chapters and probably around 60% done. Toriko probably is about halfway done the way I see it