@choperman:
and anyone who says toriko is a better character than Luffy isn't even worth debating, that's like saying Kim Kardashin is a beter actor than Daniel Day Lewis, it's not an opinion when it gets that absurd, it's just plain wrong.
Sorry? Why is Luffy a "much better character" than Toriko that it's not even debatable in your opinion? Give me a reason, because as I see it, with a few exceptions that come from antagonists or secondary characters, in OP the cast is really simple and single-minded. I mean, has Luffy ever made a morally ambiguous decision?
In One Piece the antagonists are fine, but the main cast are all a bunch of idealists in every sense of the word.
In Toriko, it seems that things are going in a different direction. The "good" ones aren't that good, and the bad ones aren't still developed. When you talk of "sharing" as if it only was a matter of sharing an object when as things are being portrayed is pretty clear that God is something more than a "good meal"… you need to give Toriko time to develop itself.
@choperman:
and finally the pace… REALLY!?! IN TORIKO!?! does anyone remember the beginning of this arc? the author is better pacing for people who simply like fights and action but to be honest it seems like the author has ADHD he needs to get to the fights no matter what, hence why we had a cooking festival WITH NO COOKING!!!
What? O_O
This arc started not even 20 chapters ago, and in those 20 chapters we've been introduced to a lot of new characters, to a new faction, we have seen dying one of the main characters (that's why I see so many people with the Tommy avatar I suppose), we've been given more contextualization about the importance that the chefs have on that era so we can understand why some decisions are taken, there have been some plot twists in form of traitors to the IGO and chefs, the also Nitro entered into the stage and we know that the Bishokukay have a much closer relation with them than we were told…
It's curious that you use the fact that in that cooking festival has been no cooking to support your point when what this does in fact is to support my point. If there has been no cooking on this cooking festival is because that would have slowed the pace and the author felt that to be unnecessary.
Compare the last 20 chapters of toriko to the last 20 chapters of One Piece, and even that wouldn't be fair because One Piece usually condenses all the information at the end of each saga or between sagas.
@choperman:
the characters personalities are non exsistant, we just know there appearance, their abilities and quirks, how could you compare them to One Piece characters who have dreams, a solid backstory to explain why they are the way they are today, they have speeches that show more of there personality at various points through the series
¿Sorry? The character's personalities are very well defined. It's pretty obvious to me which personality has Zebra, or the one of Toriko or Sunny or Coco. Come on, are you really saying that Komatsu has no personality? I thought that he was hated because of it!
@Aaronrules380:
220 chapters is an incredibly long series. You say before the Grand Line (and I'd disagree with that, since at the very least the Strawhats were all way better developed and way more interesting by that point than anyone in Toriko.), but they reached the grandline at chapter 100. And the only secondary characters who really is being given any spotlight is Brunch. Having a bunch of secondary characters appear is not equivalent to developing them.
The difference here is in the scope. In One Piece I remember that when they entered the Grand Line I thought "this is probably half of the series" and the same happened after Arabasta.
In Toriko we have had an enormous presentation, NOW is when things are starting to move.
It's true that Toriko's characters are not as developed as OP's in terms of backgrounds (not in terms of personality, where I think they are as developed as they can be), but this is something that I will judge when the series comes to a point where I can grasp the big picture of it, not now.
To me, it doesn't matter if it's been 220 chapters since the beginning, because the series is much more ambitious than One Piece ever was at the beginning (not at this point, where it has a great amount of factions and side-storys to develop).
To put you an extreme example, Hajime no Ippo is more than 1000 chapters now, but it could have ended with 100 chapters if there had been the necessity without giving the impression of an abrupt end to the story.
One Piece presented a much bigger picture than that since the beginning, it was pretty clear that there was a world to develop, but not at the same scale than Toriko.