What will happen to the Mera Mera no Mi?

Khainiwest

Wrong! He didn't say that. Read 464 again, please… (You mean that chapter, right?)

PS: I think I'm beginning to understand your language:

What was actually said: "When I was a child I wasn't very interested in devil fruits because of the curse and that they didn't seem real"

What Strelok read:"I'll never eat a devil fruit"

What strelok has concluded: "I think Sanji won't eat it, and I don't want him to. Please, Sanji, Don't eat the mera mera!!!" -> "Sanji won't eat it. 100% fact"

Cleaned it up for ya ;)

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@adbgonzalez:

Wrong! He didn't say that. Read 464 again, please… (You mean that chapter, right?)

PS: I think I'm beginning to understand your language:
"When I was a child I wasn't very interested in devil fruits because of the curse and that they didn't seem real" -> "I'll never eat a devil fruit"
"I think Sanji won't eat it, and I don't want him to. Please, Sanji, Don't eat the mera mera!!!" -> "Sanji won't eat it. 100% fact"

He himself said that he doesn't care about DFs with the only exception being the invisible fruit. He himself cursed DF users multipile times. He is the best swimmer. There are 100 more reasons why he won't eat it, which were posted in this topic. It's not a matter of what I want or not, it's a matter of what is happening in the manga.

@Khainiwest:

Where was the impossible used in either response, I keep cntrl F'ing but I can't find it. Is it maybe english isn't your first language? I'll let you use that excuse cus that would explain so much.

Even if english isn't my first language, I still write much better than you (not that it's hard to be better than you in something).

ArmamentHero

Now your arguing over something "realistic" in a fictional story? I love One Piece, it's my favorite manga to read, I do not let realism get in the way of it.

ForumNoob

@Стрелок:

The thing is that Sanji himself said that he won't eat a DF, and his post was about how he will eat one. This makes it unrealistic.

PS: I like how you forgot to counter my evidence, not that you can.

debating 101, maybe if you tell him were did sanji said that. so you can use it as proof and help make your point; he could understand.

not saying you are right or wrong. just add substance and examples to back up your statements to try to convince other people

Khainiwest

@Стрелок:

Even if english isn't my first language, I still write much better than you (not that it's hard to be better than you in something).

There ya guys go, proof he has nothing else to offer. Cornered like a fragile rabbit, sat down in the corner like a child in time out. No rebuttle, means you lost, princess.

@ArmamentHero:

Now your arguing over something "realistic" in a fictional story? I love One Piece, it's my favorite manga to read, I do not let realism get in the way of it.

No, not realistic in terms of "reality", but rather a realistic scenario within the fictional universe which could plausibly happen.

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@ForumNoob:

debating 101, maybe if you tell him were did sanji said that. so you can use it as proof and help make your point; he could understand.

not saying you are right or wrong. just add substance and examples to back up your statements to try to convince other people

He himself mentioned chapter 464, so I assumed he actually read it.

valiantt

Was it me, or did Sanji confess he would actually have eaten Absalom's fruit if given the opportunity? Perhaps I am remembering the Thriller Bark arc wrong, but I could have sworn he said something like that.

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@Khainiwest:

There ya guys go, proof he has nothing else to offer. Cornered like a fragile rabbit, sat down in the corner like a child in time out. No rebuttle, means you lost, princess.

Haha, you are beyond pathetic. I presented proof multipile times, but you had nothing of value to say and started insulting me. Are you having your first period or something?

Jackermeister

@valiantt:

Was it me, or did Sanji confess he would actually have eaten Absalom's fruit if given the opportunity? Perhaps I am remembering the Thriller Bark arc wrong, but I could have sworn he said something like that.

Yes he did. That was one the reasons he was so made at Absalom (the other being Nami). Absalom "stole his dream".

Khainiwest

@Стрелок:

Haha, you are beyond pathetic. I presented proof multipile times, but you had nothing of value to say and started insulting me. Are you having your first period or something?

Re-read the post, or explain to me what you do not understand. You're just dodging the reality that you thought you were winning the argument trying to create one in your favor. You tried to correct me, and caught with foot in your mouth. Get over it.

@khainiwest:

@Стрелок:

You have nothing to say and now you insult me? How typical for a 10-year old kid.

This is the definition of realistic (taken from a dictionary, you should use one of these sometimes):

I'm going to say this as clear as possible so your brain can comprehend it.

You: PS:And learn the definition of realistic.

I am challenging this. And only this. I said it's realistic that scenario could happen. This is an opinion, and I won't argue because it's an opinion based on the fact he's willing to sacrifice his pride for his crew.

Therefore I used the word "realistic" correctly, it was not misused. You're wrong, this is a fact. @you:

**The thing is that Sanji himself said that he won't eat a DF, and his post was about how he will eat one. This makes it unrealistic.

PS: I like how you forgot to counter my evidence, not that you can.**

All of this is irrelevant to your initial critisism which I am confronting. Let me repeat; Irrelevant. To. What. I'm. Discussing.

Confront it or concede.

adbgonzalez

@Стрелок:

He himself said that he doesn't care about DFs with the only exception being the invisible fruit. He himself cursed DF users multipile times. He is the best swimmer. There are 100 more reasons why he won't eat it, which were posted in this topic. It's not a matter of what I want or not, it's a matter of what is happening in the manga.

He didn't say that. He said he didn't care about them when he was a kid. He hated pirates back then and now he's one of them. There's a completely different situation. Or do you have the same convictions/preferences you had as a kid?

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@Khainiwest:

Re-read the post, or explain to me what you do not understand. You're just dodging the reality that you thought you were winning the argument trying to create one in your favor. You tried to correct me, and caught with foot in your mouth. Get over it.

Confront it or concede.

Stop posting in this thread and look for a therapist. You need professional help.

I already explained why it's not realistic. It's not my fault that you can't read. And just one more times for you: realistic means something "showing awareness and acceptance of reality". This theory is neither showing awareness nor acceptance of reality.

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@adbgonzalez:

He didn't say that. He said he didn't care about them when he was a kid. He hated pirates back then and now he's one of them. There's a completely different situation. Or do you have the same convictions/preferences you had as a kid?

Except that he wasn't a kid when he said that, he was an adult. And I like how you ignored everything except the first sentance.

ArmamentHero

I'm not trying to be a asshole or anything, but your insulting of each other is pointless.

Khainiwest

@Стрелок:

Stop posting in this thread and look for a therapist. You need professional help.

I already explained why it's not realistic. It's not my fault that you can't read. And just one more times for you: realistic means something "showing awareness and acceptance of reality". This theory is neither showing awareness nor acceptance of reality.

Are you retarded? Honestly, like mentally handicapped? You're arguing whether the scenario is realistic or not. You tried to correct me by saying the usage is incorrect. The usage is grammatically correct. Period. You're wrong.

Also just to entertain and throw your argument under the bus. Bam sanji eats the fruit, loses all the benefits such as "top" swimmer. Now what? OH here comes dr vegapunk who gives him the option to get rid of it and explains how blackbeard was able to do what he did. Considering it's been foreshadowed with fake devil fruits and the fruit being specifically affiliated with blood, does not make this "impossible as well".

I already sucked away any credibility you had left.

Jackermeister

@ArmamentHero:

I'm not trying to be a asshole or anything, but your insulting of each other is pointless.

They're either the same person, both trolls, or one is a troll and the other is stupid.

ForumNoob

so what is it called when two people troll each other simultaneously?

cause i think thats whats happening

valiantt

@Jackermeister:

Yes he did. That was one the reasons he was so made at Absalom (the other being Nami). Absalom "stole his dream".

That's exactly what I thought. How is everyone ignoring this when he exploded because Absalom had his dream fruit? It does suggest that he is open to an idea of consuming one. (As much as I really am not fond of the idea, but still…it's out there).

ArmamentHero

@Jackermeister:

They're either the same person, both trolls, or one is a troll and the other is stupid.

Their arguing is going nowhere anyways. LOL

valiantt

@Jackermeister:

They're either the same person, both trolls, or one is a troll and the other is stupid.

or both are pretty stupid since they are making fun of each other's intelligence over interpreting a comic book. Is that how you want to spend your day? Arguing over a comic book mostly written for children?

Jackermeister

@valiantt:

That's exactly what I thought. How is everyone ignoring this when he exploded because Absalom had his dream fruit? It does suggest that he is open to an idea of consuming one. (As much as I really am not fond of the idea, but still…it's out there).

Because he said he's wasn't interested in other fruits. And apparently "not interested" means "I will never eat a fruit! NEVER!!!".

adbgonzalez

@Стрелок:

Stop posting in this thread and look for a therapist. You need professional help.

Except that he wasn't a kid when he said that, he was an adult. And I like how you ignored everything except the first sentance.

Read that chapter again. He was talking about how he felt when he has a kid!!!!!! He didn't say "I'm not interested. And I ignored everything else because, no ofense, it has nothing to do with this topic. And him being the best swimmer isn't confirmed.

ArmamentHero

@valiantt:

or both are pretty stupid since they are making fun of each other's intelligence over interpreting a comic book. Is that how you want to spend your day? Arguing over a comic book mostly written for children?

I second this, it hits the nail on it's head.

valiantt

@Jackermeister:

Because he said he's wasn't interested in other fruits.

Hmm I certainly don't remember that, but since I'm too lazy to look for it. I'll take your word for it. Less of a chance for him to consume the fruit anyway which is a good thing imo.

Khainiwest

Goddamn people, learn the definition of troll. Seriously I'm just reporting this thread because I'm tired of trying to argue with people who are emotionall stunted. Clearly majority of you aren't getting the argument to begin with and think this is a sanji devil fruit debate. When it's me catching strelok or whatever the fuck this retards name is with his foot in his mouth.

Seriously are you all so daft that you can't see I'm defending a point while he tries to use a strawman argument to defend his? I'm not just going to ignore him because he's just asking for a verbal ass whooping, do whatever the fuck you want to do, but if you have no interest, keep your uneducated opinions to yourselves.

Case and point, everyone who's tried to post an opinion the last two pages about our debate.

**Just to get you kid's up to speed, I don't care about sanji, the fruit or whatever. Strelok said it's impossible to eat the devil fruit, that it is in fact, a fact. I argued it is not a fact, although improbable. He then tried to throw evidence at me for something I agreed with. People said ignored him I did.

Day 2 rolls around when he wallows in his fallacy of a victory, where once again, confronts me saying "realistic" was misused. That is wrong, I confront him on it, hes stuck on the argument from yesterday.

Seriously people the fuck?**

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@Khainiwest:

Are you retarded? Honestly, like mentally handicapped? You're arguing whether the scenario is realistic or not. You tried to correct me by saying the usage is incorrect. The usage is grammatically correct. Period. You're wrong.

Also just to entertain and throw your argument under the bus. Bam sanji eats the fruit, loses all the benefits such as "top" swimmer. Now what? OH here comes dr vegapunk who gives him the option to get rid of it and explains how blackbeard was able to do what he did. Considering it's been foreshadowed with fake devil fruits and the fruit being specifically affiliated with blood, does not make this "impossible as well".

I already sucked away any credibility you had left.

This is an accurate description of you: http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/231125_435324053183385_181343056_n.jpg

And just so that you don't say that I didn't respond to your post:
1. Realistic was incorrectly used, because the situation was unrealistic.
2. I am right.
3. You ignored everything except the "best swimmer". Very nice.
4. According to what was shown in the manga, the user has to die in order to restore the fruit. So this is unrealistic.
5. The only thing you are good at sucking begins with "d" and ends with "ick".

beck26

@FrantACs:

So as I see, many of you are speculating, that eventually Sanji will get to eat it. So I thought about this.

Somehow, the SH team will get scattered arround Dressrosa. Each one of them will get their own fights. (At least the most of them.) There, Sanji will get into a desperate (or pat situation) with an enemy. (He will carry the DF with him, or he will find it there somehow.) So, to be able to defeat the oponent he will be forced to eat it.

A monologue, that Sanji might say: "Luffy, this is the power that once your brother beared and harnessed to protect his crew, his friends, his family and you, Luffy. I might not be worthy, I might even die, even with this power. Forgive me. But I am borrowing your brothers power to support you into becoming the Pirate King. For your sake, I am prepared to get cursed!" Eats the DF

Just my two cents I am throwing…

this scenario will be acceptable i guess….

but, wouldnt sanji get hit before he eats it because of his long speech? LOL. just kiddin

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@adbgonzalez:

Read that chapter again. He was talking about how he felt when he has a kid!!!!!! He didn't say "I'm not interested. And I ignored everything else because, no ofense, it has nothing to do with this topic. And him being the best swimmer isn't confirmed.

It is confirmed in the manga and it is relevant. He didn't change his opinion on DFs.

Jackermeister

@beck26:

this scenario will be acceptable i guess….

but, wouldnt sanji get hit before he eats it because of his long speech? LOL. just kiddin

I guessing it would be like Chopper with his "forbidden rumble".

beck26

@v-die:

Honestly, would it really make a difference if Sanji would eat the DF midfight? He probably would be trashed before he grasped how he can even use it properly

LOL i agree. wouldnt it be better for sanji to just use his diable jambe instead of risking it a new fruit midfight???

Jackermeister

@beck26:

LOL i agree. wouldnt it be better for sanji to just use his diable jambe instead of risking it a new fruit midfight???

Once again: Diable Jamble =/= Mera Mera no Mi. Though I'm not sure about the "midfight" thing either.

ForumNoob

@Khainiwest:

Goddamn people, learn the definition of troll. Seriously I'm just reporting this thread because I'm tired of trying to argue with people who are emotionall stunted. Clearly majority of you aren't getting the argument to begin with and think this is a sanji devil fruit debate. When it's me catching strelok or whatever the fuck this retards name is with his foot in his mouth.

Seriously are you all so daft that you can't see I'm defending a point while he tries to use a strawman argument to defend his? I'm not just going to ignore him because he's just asking for a verbal ass whooping, do whatever the fuck you want to do, but if you have no interest, keep your uneducated opinions to yourselves.

Case and point, everyone who's tried to post an opinion the last two pages about our debate.

**Just to get you kid's up to speed, I don't care about sanji, the fruit or whatever. Strelok said it's impossible to eat the devil fruit, that it is in fact, a fact. I argued it is not a fact, although improbable. He then tried to throw evidence at me for something I agreed with. People said ignored him I did.

Day 2 rolls around when he wallows in his fallacy of a victory, where once again, confronts me saying "realistic" was misused. That is wrong, I confront him on it, hes stuck on the argument from yesterday.

Seriously people the fuck?**

the thing is, most everyone here thinks the same as you. we know strelok is a troll. we understood your point. you are the one that keeps feeding the troll. making him be more of a troll since he is getting the reaction out of you that he wants. just ignore him. people are learning he is full of shit

ArmamentHero

@beck26:

LOL i agree. wouldnt it be better for sanji to just use his diable jambe instead of risking it a new fruit midfight???

Learning how to grasp a new DF is hard anyways, especially Logias, he would have trouble with the intangibility of it.

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@ForumNoob:

the thing is, most everyone here thinks the same as you. we know strelok is a troll. we understood your point. you are the one that keeps feeding the troll. making him be more of a troll since he is getting the reaction out of you that he wants. just ignore him. people are learning he is full of shit

Just explain what does a troll mean, and why do you think I am one? And "full of shit"? This really hurts my feelings, man.

I am just stating the facts, I don't deserve such attitude. Peace.

ForumNoob

@ArmamentHero:

Learning how to grasp a new DF is hard anyways, especially Logias, he would have trouble with the intangibility of it.

at least if he flames up he wont be hit and maybe burns the one that is attacking. but yeah, mid fight is not an ideal time to DF up

Jackermeister

@ArmamentHero:

Learning how to grasp a new DF is hard anyways, especially Logias, he would have trouble with the intangibility of it.

True. We saw how that goes with Tashigi.

beck26

@valiantt:

That's exactly what I thought. How is everyone ignoring this when he exploded because Absalom had his dream fruit? It does suggest that he is open to an idea of consuming one. (As much as I really am not fond of the idea, but still…it's out there).

just absalom's fruit dude. because of his perverted mind….and its gag.

besides that fruit. he said he wont eat any other devil's fruit. he stated that HIMSELF

http://www.mangareader.net/103-2571-7/one-piece/chapter-464.html
(please dont try to reason out something like, "well it was he said before, maybe his mind changed coz that kind of reason would really be annoying)

also he is annoyed at the male hammers of the crew, commenting on it most of the time, calling them pains in the ass and he wants to save robin most of the time from drowning. so nope.

Khainiwest

@ForumNoob:

the thing is, most everyone here thinks the same as you. we know strelok is a troll. we understood your point. you are the one that keeps feeding the troll. making him be more of a troll since he is getting the reaction out of you that he wants. just ignore him. people are learning he is full of shit

I think this thread will accurately show the intention of him as a poster. So hopefully you all won't have to see him again. It is afterall his second chance.

beck26

@adbgonzalez:

Read that chapter again. He was talking about how he felt when he has a kid!!!!!! He didn't say "I'm not interested. And I ignored everything else because, no ofense, it has nothing to do with this topic. And him being the best swimmer isn't confirmed.

dude, all of the strawhats got their resolve and minds made up when they were ALL KIDS.

Wrath of Enel

@Стрелок:

Just explain what does a troll mean, and why do you think I am one? And "full of shit"? This really hurts my feelings, man.

I am just stating the facts, I don't deserve such attitude. Peace.

I know I gave you shit yesterday, but you are right, you don't deserve such attitude. It all started with just a disagreement, what you think is facts others might not think is facts. All this discussion is opinionated so can't everyone stop calling each other trolls and what not, and just discuss without arguing and name calling?

valiantt

@beck26:

just absalom's fruit dude. because of his perverted mind….and its gag.

besides that fruit. he said he wont eat any other devil's fruit. he stated that HIMSELF

http://www.mangareader.net/103-2571-7/one-piece/chapter-464.html
(please dont try to reason out something like, "well it was he said before, maybe his mind changed coz that kind of reason would really be annoying)

also he is annoyed at the male hammers of the crew, commenting on it most of the time, calling them pains in the ass and he wants to save robin most of the time from drowning. so nope.

well it was he said before, maybe his mind changed

hahaha…I kid. I really don't care for the idea of him eating it or not. Just an amusing thread of grumpy cats today...getting mad over a comic book and calling names. C'mon :wub: it's fun to read these threads. More grumpiness please…

ArmamentHero

@Jackermeister:

True. We saw how that goes with Tashigi.

That's the perfect example or Kaku(even though he is a zoan) learning to grasp the uses of the Giraffe fruit.

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@valiantt:

well it was he said before, maybe his mind changed

hahaha…I kid. I really don't care for the idea of him eating it or not. Just an amusing thread of grumpy cats today...

This occurred for almost three days actually.

Schuechterling

I'm not really sure what you guys are fighting about.

Sanji said he won't do it. Zorro said he would never lose again in chapter 52.

Sanji can still change his mind or be forced / tricked to do so. The fruit came back for someone to eat it.

If it's someone of the crew who else. (Zorro: mero doesn't fit with swords at all, Luffy, Chopper, Nico, Brook: already got a df, Franky: He is already indistructable, Lysop: No improvement for his fighting style, Nami: There is a better way of influencing the weather)

In my eyes, it should be Sanji or somebody from the outside.

Jackermeister

@ArmamentHero:

That's the perfect example or Kaku(even though he is a zoan) learning to grasp the uses of the Giraffe fruit.

Or Luffy. It took him years to master his fruit (Though his could've been particularly hard).

beck26

@ArmamentHero:

That's the perfect example or Kaku(even though he is a zoan) learning to grasp the uses of the Giraffe fruit.

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This occurred for almost three days actually.

LOL kaku i suddenly remember kaku fvcking up the use of giraffe fruit when he became a cube, i laughed hard on that one.

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@Schuechterling:

I'm not really sure what you guys are fighting about.

Sanji said he won't do it. Zorro said he would never lose again in chapter 52.

Sanji can still change his mind or be forced / tricked to do so. The fruit came back for someone to eat it.

If it's someone of the crew who else. (Zorro: mero doesn't fit with swords at all, Luffy, Chopper, Nico, Brook: already got a df, Franky: He is already indistructable, Lysop: No improvement for his fighting style, Nami: There is a better way of influencing the weather)

In my eyes, it should be Sanji or somebody from the outside.

Who is Zorro? Zoro said that he won't lose again and he meant against swordsman.

And Lysop? Are you serious?

ArmamentHero

@Jackermeister:

Or Luffy. It took him years to master his fruit (Though his could've been particularly hard).

Oh definitely for a fruit requiring an extreme amount of control.

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@beck26:

LOL kaku i suddenly remember kaku fvcking up the use of giraffe fruit when he became a cube, i laughed hard on that one.

I laughed really hard when he started waving his little arms xD

Gaiyae

Personally it wouldn't suprise me if the fruit got destroyed, thrown into the ocean or something like that.
Doflamingo will use it against Luffy, maybe threaten to destroy it, if Luffy doesn't do what he says.
Luffy will realise his brother is still with him in his heart, and he doesn't need the fruit to be close to him.
I know it's a damn cliche - But it wouldn't suprise me.

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One more thing: Was it ever confirmed that this fruit is actually the mera mera no mi, aside from Doflamingo saying it. He is known as an expert manipulator, so it's possible that it is actually another fruit and he lied. But everyone here accepts this as a fact.

Jackermeister

@Gaiyae:

Personally it wouldn't suprise me if the fruit got destroyed, thrown into the ocean or something like that.
Doflamingo will use it against Luffy, maybe threaten to destroy it, if Luffy doesn't do what he says.
Luffy will realise his brother is still with him in his heart, and he doesn't need the fruit to be close to him.
I know it's a damn cliche - But it wouldn't suprise me.

Oda won't waste the fruit.

adbgonzalez

@beck26:

dude, all of the strawhats got their resolve and minds made up when they were ALL KIDS.

Yeah, about their big dreams, but they changed their minds about a bunch of other things. Here's an example: Several of them didn't want to become pirates or even hated them, to begin with. And Sanji wasn't as categorical as you are quoting him. And you know it.