Says the guy who thinks Kinemon can beat Zoro.
What does Kinemon have to do with this thread?
Says the guy who thinks Kinemon can beat Zoro.
What does Kinemon have to do with this thread?
If there are no new Admirals promoted, How could the Marines/ World Government Stabilize the balance between the 3 powers? How can they deter Pirates, Akainu and Kizaru wouldn't get the job done by themselves.
If there are no new Admirals promoted, How could the Marines/ World Government Stabilize the balance between the 3 powers? How can they deter Pirates, Akainu and Kizaru wouldn't get the job done by themselves.
The marines have new admirals it was confirmed last chapter but some people are calling it a mistake of Oda because they want Coby and Smoker to be the next admirals but Smoker got promoted 2 years ago (If am not mistaken) and he's not strong enough to be an Admiral just yet and Coby is too young, is just like Luffy he won't be the Pirate King at the age of 19/20 years old it so Coby won't achive his goal at this age and besides there's a lot of Marines we haven't seen yet
The marines have new admirals it was confirmed last chapter but some people are calling it a mistake of Oda because they want Coby and Smoker to be the next admirals but Smoker got promoted 2 years ago (If am not mistaken) and he's not strong enough to be an Admiral just yet and Coby is too young, is just like Luffy he won't be the Pirate King at the age of 19/20 years old it so Coby won't achive his goal at this age and besides there's a lot of Marines we haven't seen yet
That is true, Coby shouldn't be Admiral that soon, and what would akainu feel if the boy that stopped the war could be promoted that fast, it will take time for him even.
So Strelok Or LightningAce can you explain your basis for saying there aren't any new admirals?
When did I say this?
LOL man how long are yall gonna be fighting over this admiral debate?
Aren't yall bored with the topic?
LOL man how long are yall gonna be fighting over this admiral debate?
Aren't yall bored with the topic?
It's funny how you couldn't defend your statement that there will be 3 admirals.
It's funny how you couldn't defend your statement that there will be 3 admirals.
LMAO
Are you serious? All I said was there's most likely going to be 3 admirals. Honestly that's it. There's not much more to discuss.
What else do you want from me? Hahaha
Ease up and relax son son
some of yall take yourselves way too seriously, ppl state an opinion and yall run with it like its words from a prophet. if ppl are wrong they are wrong. time and time again some of you bring up stupid arguments to prove the persona of "oh im right and you're wrong". this is a place for discussions. if u disapprove of the person's opinions then so be it, state it and move the fuck on, shit man, get the dick out your ass.
some of yall take yourselves way too seriously, ppl state an opinion and yall run with it like its words from a prophet. if ppl are wrong they are wrong. time and time again some of you bring up stupid arguments to prove the persona of "oh im right and you're wrong". this is a place for discussions. if u disapprove of the person's opinions then so be it, state it and move the fuck on, shit man, get the dick out your ass.
Do you speak English, tough guy?
there's something that is bothering me… Who said that in order to be Admiral you need to have a color them or to be shishibukai an animal theme?
This is OP in the NW where anything is possible and things happen so fast that it blow your mind every time and OP has become so unpredictable, that we can see Zorro or Sanji taking on a boss and no luffy for the matter.
there's something that is bothering me… Who said that in order to be Admiral you need to have a color them or to be shishibukai an animal theme?
This is OP in the NW where anything is possible and things happen so fast that it blow your mind every time and OP has become so unpredictable, that we can see Zorro or Sanji taking on a boss and no luffy for the matter.
Who is this? Zoro's evil cousin?
no, that is Zoro's spiritual form…lol
@Formation:
What does Kinemon have to do with this thread?
Nothing , but I doubt Captain Morgan can even beat Captain Coby.
The point is you are underestimating the VA's greatly. Similar to your overestimation of the guys in Wano.
And even if its not one of the five from Enies Lobby ,there can always be new guys like Vergo. But I hope not I'd rather Oda just develop the current Vice Admirals.
When did I say this?
My mistake I thought thats what stance you were arguing ,but now I understand you meant that there didn't have to be three admirals in total.
Nothing , but I doubt Captain Morgan can even beat Captain Coby. The point is you are underestimating the VA's greatly. Similar to your overestimation of the guys in Wano. And even if its not one of the five from Enies Lobby ,there can always be new guys like Vergo. But I hope not I'd rather Oda just develop the current Vice Admirals.
I'm talking about current Morgan over the 2 year skip. So you see Helmeppo being stronger than him? How am I overestimating guys from Wano?
@Formation:
I'm talking about current Morgan over the 2 year skip. So you see Helmeppo being stronger than him? How am I overestimating guys from Wano?
Ofc I don't see Helmeppo being stronger than him YET, but he'd be a far cry from the guy who used to sick dogs after little girls.
He'd put up a good fight ,if Coby has gotten stronger no reason to think Helmepoo hasn't either.
We can talk about if they have any Samurai of Admiral level when we get there ,but yea I dunno how you can expect the Wano guys to be so strong ,but the VA's who are constantly tangoing with Yonko crews and New World Pirates couldn't level up PTS as well.
Especially if they were granted power like Jinbe said. For all we know they might be devil fruit users now.
Seems like we all forget Vegapunk works for the WG.
Ofc I don't see Helmeppo being stronger than him YET, but he'd be a far cry from the guy who used to sick dogs after little girls. He'd put up a good fight ,if Coby has gotten stronger no reason to think Helmepoo hasn't either. We can talk about if they have any Samurai of Admiral level when we get there ,but yea I dunno how you can expect the Wano guys to be so strong ,but the VA's who are constantly tangoing with Yonko crews and New World Pirates couldn't level up PTS as well. Especially if they were granted power like Jinbe said. For all we know they might be devil fruit users now. Seems like we all forget Vegapunk works for the WG.
It's not like Morgan is going to be hiding forever.. he will show up eventually but he is only marine with a kid in the marines. Point is he has more potential than VAs to be Admiral lvl. I'm using information we have
! unless you think it's Yonkou territory. If Momonga was struggling against Hancock what would any of the Vas do differently?
Like I said already, Formation Y honestly thinks that Buggy wants to be the Pirate King, so it's useless to talk to him. Let him be happy in his own little world.
@Formation:
It's not like Morgan is going to be hiding forever.. he will show up eventually but he is only marine with a kid in the marines. Point is he has more potential than VAs to be Admiral lvl. I'm using information we have
! http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyq22lrRtt1qk49gz.png unless you think it's Yonkou territory. If Momonga was struggling against Hancock what would any of the Vas do differently?
Ok first you say you are talking about Morgan over the two year time skip ,now you hit me with Momonga's post timeskip feats. If you are speaking in Post timeskip terms then so am I.
And if you except Morgan to be Admiral level after the timeskip then one of the five vice admirals are already on that level imo.
Let me just say ,people are downplaying these guys just
because their names have VA on the front but news flash
the recent admirals were once that level too.
Tell me , could you see VA rank Kizaru , Akainu or Aokiji taking on Whitebeard?
there's something that is bothering me… Who said that in order to be to be shishibukai an animal theme?
This is OP in the NW where anything is possible and things happen so fast that it blow your mind every time and OP has become so unpredictable, that we can see Zorro or Sanji taking on a boss and no luffy for the matter.
Oda did.
Dracule Mihawk - Hawk
Jimbei - Whale Shark
Sir Crocodile - Crocodile
Don Quixote Doflamingo - Flamingo
Bartholomew Kuma - Bear
Gecko Moria - Gecko
Boa Hancock - Boa Constrictor
Blackbeard - Bearded Pig or Hippo
Trafalgar Law - Tra(Tora) - Tiger
Ok first you say you are talking about Morgan over the two year time skip ,now you hit me with Momonga's post timeskip feats. If you are speaking in Post timeskip terms then so am I. And if you except Morgan to be Admiral level after the timeskip then one of the five vice admirals are already on that level imo. Let me just say ,people are downplaying these guys just because their names have VA on the front but news flash the recent admirals were once that level too. Tell me , could you see VA rank Kizaru , Akainu or Aokiji taking on Whitebeard?
Yes I do think Axe Hand Morgan over the 2 year skip will be Admiral lvl. I'm not talking about feats but potential and none of the Vas have it in them. Only marines that have potential to be Admiral currently are Bogart and Sentomaru. Of course they were Vas but difference is they were special and I don't see anything in the current Vas except for Smoker. Of course they wouldn't win unless it's all of them against him they might have a chance.
@Formation:
Yes I do think Axe Hand Morgan over the 2 year skip will be Admiral lvl. I'm not talking about feats but potential and none of the Vas have it in them. Only marines that have potential to be Admiral currently are Bogart and Sentomaru. Of course they were Vas but difference is they were special and I don't see anything in the current Vas except for Smoker. Of course they wouldn't win unless it's all of them against him they might have a chance.
We already saw Sentomaru after the time-skip, and even though he joined the Marines, we would have known if he was an Admiral.
And Bogart is too minor to be an Admiral.
@Formation:
Yes I do think Axe Hand Morgan over the 2 year skip will be Admiral lvl. I'm not talking about feats but potential and none of the Vas have it in them. Only marines that have potential to be Admiral currently are Bogart and Sentomaru. Of course they were Vas but difference is they were special and I don't see anything in the current Vas except for Smoker. Of course they wouldn't win unless it's all of them against him they might have a chance.
I can't speak on Bogart ,we haven't seen much of him if at all so one could assume he might be admiral level.
But I can't give you Morgan man , if that guy supposedly leveled up ,then I have no reason to think that Doberman , Strawberry and Yamakaji didn't do the same.
Something else you gotta remember is that those three guys essentially walked away from Marineford untouched.
Besides, "granted unprecedented power" screams devil fruits to me.
@Formation:
Yes I do think Axe Hand Morgan over the 2 year skip will be Admiral lvl. I'm not talking about feats but potential and none of the Vas have it in them. Only marines that have potential to be Admiral currently are Bogart and Sentomaru. Of course they were Vas but difference is they were special and I don't see anything in the current Vas except for Smoker. Of course they wouldn't win unless it's all of them against him they might have a chance.
Morgan wasn't that strong to be honest and even if he got stronger, I doubt he's Admiral level. If anything, he'll probably be defeated by Helmeppo (or at least that would be neat in my opinion).
I think some VAs have the potential. It's all speculation and point of view though. Just give time and maybe Oda will make one or two of them "special".
About Bogart, eh, he's more of a "secret agent" thingy than anything else. He's most likely really good with swords (exceptionally) but his place is beside Garp teaching Coby and Helmeppo.
Imo Oda left everything in Film Z about the VAs pretimeskip canon so we wouldn't guess who was an admiral when he mentioned it in the manga.
Screw the Giant squad VAs and the mediocre ones.
The only VAs that have a chance to be promoted are Doberman,Yamakaji,Strawberry,Onigumo and Momonga.
Two or three out of these five will be the new admirals mark my words.
Imo Oda left everything in Film Z about the VAs pretimeskip canon so we wouldn't guess who was an admiral when he mentioned it in the manga.
Screw the Giant squad VAs and the mediocre ones.
The only VAs that have a chance to be promoted are Doberman,Yamakaji,Strawberry,Onigumo and Momonga.
Two or three out of these five will be the new admirals mark my words.
Heyhey, don't forget Bastille! He's like a wild card!
Also, Momonga's most likely stayed a VA.
Admiral Ronse would be funny though.
But it's not going to happen, obviously.
This is what's going to happen:
! Instant-Admirals!
!
! Unfortunately, since the new set of Admirals also has Devil-fruits, they just drown.
@Formation:
Yes I do think Axe Hand Morgan over the 2 year skip will be Admiral lvl. I'm not talking about feats but potential and none of the Vas have it in them. Only marines that have potential to be Admiral currently are Bogart and Sentomaru. Of course they were Vas but difference is they were special and I don't see anything in the current Vas except for Smoker. Of course they wouldn't win unless it's all of them against him they might have a chance.
I stopped reading right there.
Heyhey, don't forget Bastille! He's like a wild card!
Also, Momonga's most likely stayed a VA.Admiral Ronse would be funny though.
But it's not going to happen, obviously.
This is what's going to happen:! Instant-Admirals!
! http://imageshack.us/a/img255/5297/instantadmirals.png
! Unfortunately, since the new set of Admirals also has Devil-fruits, they just drown.
LOL Hilarious !!!!
Totally forgot about Bastille ,but yea he certainly is a wild card.
And if we're gonna go by the animal theme theory then out of these six VAs only Bastille ,Doberman,Yamakaji and Onigumo have animal themes.
Bronco Bull
Dog
Leopard
Spider
Maybe someone can make the Ostrich case for Strawberry.
@Foxy:
We already saw Sentomaru after the time-skip, and even though he joined the Marines, we would have known if he was an Admiral. And Bogart is too minor to be an Admiral.
His rank wasn't mentioned but he has the "Best Defense in the world" they wouldn't send somebody weaker than Kizaru to deal with the strawhats. Sentomaru is Kizarus pupil. @Blowfish:
I can't speak on Bogart ,we haven't seen much of him if at all so one could assume he might be admiral level. But I can't give you Morgan man , if that guy supposedly leveled up ,then I have no reason to think that Doberman , Strawberry and Yamakaji didn't do the same. Something else you gotta remember is that those three guys essentially walked away from Marineford untouched. Besides, "granted unprecedented power" screams devil fruits to me.
Morgan wasn't that strong to be honest and even if he got stronger, I doubt he's Admiral level. If anything, he'll probably be defeated by Helmeppo (or at least that would be neat in my opinion). I think some VAs have the potential. It's all speculation and point of view though. Just give time and maybe Oda will make one or two of them "special". About Bogart, eh, he's more of a "secret agent" thingy than anything else. He's most likely really good with swords (exceptionally) but his place is beside Garp teaching Coby and Helmeppo.
One Piece Chapter 4 : Marine Lieutenant Axe Hand Morgan everybody can use Haki but it will impact others differently. Don't see any of the VAs having Haki mastery like that. Reason why I pointed that out is because there aren't too many Marines that have chapters named after them.
@Formation:
Chapter 4 : Marine Lieutenant Axe Hand Morgan everybody can use Haki but it will impact others differently. Don't see any of the VAs having Haki mastery like that. Reason why I pointed that out is because there aren't too many Marines that have chapters named after them.
Chapter 371: Kind Captain T-Bone
It doesn't mean anything, just that they're sort of the central figure in those chapters.
Chapter 371: Kind Captain T-Bone It doesn't mean anything, just that they're sort of the central figure in those chapters.
He doesn't have an Arc after himself. Also there are other marines that have their names in chapters. I don't see how you are comparing this their characters and roles are drastically different.
@Formation:
He doesn't have an Arc after himself. Also there are other marines that have their names in chapters. I don't see how you are comparing this their characters and roles are drastically different.
You said it's special
@Formation:
there aren't too many Marines that have chapters named after them.
Just because he had a short arc, it doesn't mean he's Admiral level. It means he's a somewhat important character. In Morgan's case, Helmeppo's father and his motivation to be stronger.
@Foxy:
Oda did.
Dracule Mihawk - Hawk
Jimbei - Whale Shark
Sir Crocodile - Crocodile
Don Quixote Doflamingo - Flamingo
Bartholomew Kuma - Bear
Gecko Moria - Gecko
Boa Hancock - Boa Constrictor
Blackbeard - Bearded Pig or Hippo
Trafalgar Law - Tra(Tora) - Tiger
Just because Luffy call him tora-guy doesn't mean he's theme is tiger, I've always seen Zoro as a tiger due to color spreads but We don't have anyone proof of Law's theme being a tiger, do we? (If yes, link please)
You said it's special Just because he had a short arc, it doesn't mean he's Admiral level. It means he's a somewhat important character. In Morgan's case, Helmeppo's father and his motivation to be stronger.
It is special because his rank was mentioned but there aren't any marines that have a story arc. He has a bigger role than we think can't just magically think he will disappear like the other EB villains. More than anything Coby would be Helmeppos motivation because currently he outranks him and he was mad/jealous that he awakened Haki before him.
@Formation:
It is special because his rank was mentioned but there aren't any marines that have a story arc. He has a bigger role than we think can't just magically think he will dissapear like the other EB villains. More than anything Coby would be Helmeppos motivation because currently he outranks him and he was mad/jealous that he awakened Haki before him.
Morgan will surely reappear. But not as strong as an Admiral. He became stronger, yes, but he won't surpass VAs or RAs that have been living their whole lives on the Grand-line and fought against New-World pirates.
Morgan couldn't even be an Admiral, he was arrested and was being sent to jail, albeit he got away.
Just because Luffy call him tora-guy doesn't mean he's theme is tiger, I've always seen Zoro as a tiger due to color spreads but We don't have anyone proof of Law's theme being a tiger, do we? (If yes, link please)
But Zoro's caricature was already confirmed as a Shark
Am i missing something or do you guys really talk about the Morgan guy at the very beginning from OP? Seriously?
Am i missing something or do you guys really talk about the Morgan guy at the very beginning from OP? Seriously?
Yea, but this is One Piece. Characters are always reintroduced. They're not created and then left to be neglected like in other series
Morgan will surely reappear. But not as strong as an Admiral. He became stronger, yes, but he won't surpass VAs or RAs that have been living their whole lives on the Grand-line and fought against New-World pirates.
Morgan couldn't even be an Admiral, he was arrested and was being sent to jail, albeit he got away.
Morgan has never used Haki before you know that right? He could be Admiral level because he never lived up to his potential. All he was doing was abusing his power in EB. Still doesn't make any sense how he escaped from Bogart because i'm sure he knows how to use rokushiki from Garp.
@Formation:
Morgan has never used Haki before you know that right? He could be Admiral level because he never lived up to his potential. All he was doing was abusing his power in EB. Still doesn't make any sense how he escaped from Bogart because i'm sure he knows how to use rokushiki from Garp.
He has spent most of his life doing nothing in particular. Even if he had some potential, two years is not enough to develop it even if he had some ultra-mega-super dude helping him out. And let's see the VAs. Most of them have been probably training very hard since their teens (16-18) or early twenties and have been on the Grand-Line and maybe in the New World for years. Morgan was chilling most of his life, if anything, he had a waste potential.
Him using Rokushiki? How and when did he learn it?
I think it's hilarious how you are underestimating the VAs but severely overestimating Morgan of all people.
But it's not out of character for you at all so can't say I'm surprised.
Dude if you believe Morgan is Admiral level PTS then how can you doubt any of the Six VAs I mentioned are the new Admirals?
He has spent most of his life doing nothing in particular. Even if he had some potential, two years is not enough to develop it even if he had some ultra-mega-super dude helping him out. And let's see the VAs. Most of them have been probably training very hard since their teens (16-18) or early twenties and have been on the Grand-Line and maybe in the New World for years. Morgan was chilling most of his life, if anything, he had a waste potential.
Him using Rokushiki? How and when did he learn it?
Bogart has been Garps right hand man for over 20 years that is more than enough time to know anything about rokushiki actually that's too much time.
I think it's hilarious how you are underestimating the VAs but severely overestimating Morgan of all people.
But it's not out of character for you at all so can't say I'm surprised.
Dude if you believe Morgan is Admiral level PTS then how can you doubt any of the Six VAs I mentioned are the new Admirals?
Because Morgan has potential
@Formation:
Bogart has been Garps right hand man for over 20 years that is more than enough time to know anything about rokushiki actually that's too much time.
I thought you were talking about Morgan. My bad.
Present-state Coby could give Meppo's dad a wedgie without half trying
@wolfwoof:
Present-state Coby could give Meppo's dad a wedgie without half trying
Amen to this , 16 char.
@Formation:
Bogart has been Garps right hand man for over 20 years that is more than enough time to know anything about rokushiki actually that's too much time.
Because Morgan has potential [http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF smilies/2d6mz611.png](http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF smilies/2d6mz611.png)
I can see Bogart being an admiral, just being Garp right hand it has to mean that he is not an ordinary guy, hi's also a swordsmen but I don't think he will accept an admiral position
Yeah Garp is after all one of the contenders for the strongest marine of all time.
Any guy he chooses to watch his back has to be a beast
@wolfwoof:
Yeah Garp is after all one of the contenders for the strongest marine of all time.
Any guy he chooses to watch his back has to be a beast
And Garp tends to refuse Promotion for atleast a few times already. Being the Assistant of Garp, Bogart should be atleast a only a few levels behind Garp. As for the Morgan guy, idk, why the hell should he come back to the story, if he ever does, he will not be as strong as an admiral level, still just a fodder as he was from the beginning.