the atmosphere around him isn't his basic component though, else akainu could make underground volcano's erupt, kizaru could use the sunlight to destroy the planet, they do have some limitations.
General Devil Fruit Discussion
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Exactly! It's ridiculous how limited his range is with the oxygen removal. Aokiji can make an entire ice mountain out of nothing but Caesar can't even fill/alter an entire room's gas? What… Caesar must not be a fighter, at all.
clearly showing the difference in strength between a 400mil Mad Scientist and a(n ex-)Admiral of the Marines
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Why snow? we see that wall-thing and it breaks like concrete, meaning, it's a hard material. Snow is soft. The technique is just called 'Kamakura' maybe because of the igloo form/shape, not necessarily that it is indeed an actual kamakura made of snow.
And why she can't be a zoan? Is it because she have supernatural powers and not just brute strengtn/animal characteristics? She is most probable to be a mythical or a plain zoan than any paramecia or logia variant you fantasize about. All of you should have seen Marco. How Monet change her limbs to wings and talons are not unlike of that.
I like everything except this bit about snow being soft. Compact snow in reality is extremely hard. nothing on you personally but it just peeves me when people just assume snow is a soft material especially in the world of OP where physical limits are stretched (:ninja:) for effect
if zoan type
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you think oda would introduce df powers that are familliar to us but not the context of the op world? examples being -carbon fiber -radiation/ uranium -plastic -oil to name a few
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A snow logia would be poor writing considering Aokiji's element form seemed more like snow than straight up ice, and seeing as how snow and ice are just slightly different versions of the same thing. Honestly, I think its either just named for the shape, or (less likely) she could be a mythical zoan whose power is associated with snow
The same argument could be made for Gas and Smoke though; even, to a lesser degree, Fire and Magma.
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you think oda would introduce df powers that are familliar to us but not the context of the op world? examples being -carbon fiber -radiation/ uranium -plastic -oil to name a few
I could see the radiation one, even the oil one, to some degree. I'm personally waiting for a Disease Logia, and a Data Paramecia.
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Why snow? we see that wall-thing and it breaks like concrete, meaning, it's a hard material. Snow is soft. The technique is just called 'Kamakura' maybe because of the igloo form/shape, not necessarily that it is indeed an actual kamakura made of snow.
And why she can't be a zoan? Is it because she have supernatural powers and not just brute strengtn/animal characteristics? She is most probable to be a mythical or a plain zoan than any paramecia or logia variant you fantasize about. All of you should have seen Marco. How Monet change her limbs to wings and talons are not unlike of that.
If Smoker is able to make his smoke solid, then what's stopping Monet from being able to make her snow harder?
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If Smoker is able to make his smoke solid, then what's stopping Monet from being able to make her snow harder?
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If Smoker is able to make his smoke solid, then what's stopping Monet from being able to make her snow harder?
Touche.
With most Logia's it's always been liquid forms hasn't it? (Kizaru, Akainu, etc) but with Aokjiji and Akainu it seems like it could differ between what the User wants to do. Monet could easily pack in her snow ability much like Smoker could with his smoke or Akainu/Aokiji with their abilities. I think that goes for Crocodile as well.
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Whatever her devil fruit is, she's pretty fast that she could come out with that snow hut to prevent Luffy's attack in his fastest form.
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Whatever her devil fruit is, she's pretty fast that she could come out with that snow hut to prevent Luffy's attack in his fastest form.
the problem isn't the speed of attack, she had massive amounts of time to prepare while he was screaming "GOMU GOMU NO … ... ... jet gattling!!"
i get this is fictional, but all the same, caesar himself is barely able to keep luffy in his vision, let alone follow his pace. He was using everything he had to not get the crap kicked out of him. Though the snow hut move is confusing her potential abilities but a predatory bird with sharp vision could make sense, one of the few reasons i can think of as to why she was able to block on time other than the fact that this is manga. She might be seriously strong too, wouldn't be against that.
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Can't forget that she could've used CoO haki
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Ceasar can use his DF much more way's then he is.
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Ceasar can use his DF much more way's then he is.
He's using it really well but he isn't much of a fighter, he's more of well… an evil genius. Luffy is just faster and stronger than him and an all around better more skilled and experienced fighter. I'm guessing Monet is Dofla's subordinate similar to Vergo so regardless if her loyalties lie completely with Dofla he does think strength is power, so odds are she is very strong.
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I hope we will see later on a glue logia, which is able to produce sticky liquid that hardens after a while and so makes it harder for an opponent to move after he punched into it, or got that stuff on him while fighting.
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There are several zoan fruits I would like to see.
- Devil fruit. as in an actual devil-devil fruit or demon demon fruit. (I`m not too good at telling them apart so)
- An imp fruit.
- A Roc fruit, as in the huge bird roc.
- An angel fruit?
- A centipede fruit, or any other insect like fruit. Maybe a manthis. Have we gotten any insect like fruits at all? I can`t recall any.
- A caveman fruit. Don`t ask me what would it bring, I just thought it would be unexpected and pretty amusing
- A giant fruit. as lame as it might sound (though this could be a paramecia)
- A platypus fruit, for the heck of it.
- An electric eel (and make it mythical just so it can survive on earth and be of use)
- A mythic quetzacouatl "the flying bird-snake" god
- A bat fruit, both. One being the animal (zoan)and another one that enable the user to turn any part of him/her or what they touch to a bat, pole , stick, and alikes (paramecia)
- a porquipine fruit
- a skunk fruit
- A king bull fruit- Like those fish-horses we saw at water 7. And a sea king one at that too
- An ebby fruit, someone being able to twist and turn whatever (paramecia)
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About insect-fruits…the one Capt
n from the WB alliance has most likely a caterpillar-fruit or something like that [http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Epoida](http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Epoida) (see me wiki just quoting because i couldn
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@Don:
About insect-fruits…the one Capt
n from the WB alliance has most likely a caterpillar-fruit or something like that [http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Epoida](http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Epoida) (see me wiki just quoting because i couldn
t find the pic of him while he is transformed)honestly, what use does that fruit have? Even if it makes you physically stronger, you still turn into a caterpillaer^^
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Only god knows how this guy with that ability into the NW, that is for sure, haha.
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"Epoida used Harden"…. repeat ad infinitum.
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But what if his devil fruit can evolve and turn him a buterfly zoan all white:ninja:
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@Don:
About insect-fruits…the one Capt
n from the WB alliance has most likely a caterpillar-fruit or something like that [http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Epoida](http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Epoida) (see me wiki just quoting because i couldn
t find the pic of him while he is transformed)Thanks for that info Don Quichotte, its pretty useful. I missed that guy completely, and after giving some thoughts into the matter Onigumo pops out of nowhere with his hair-spider appearence so maybe we can count 2 so far. I really hope that with the massive ammount of insects around to be inspired upon we don`t have ODA put them on a corner to be forgotten. How sexy would a cockroach lady zoan be?:ninja:
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@KaW~KaW:
A Keratin fruit, whether a Logia or Paramecia IMO would make sense.
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Thanks for that info Don Quichotte, its pretty useful. I missed that guy completely, and after giving some thoughts into the matter Onigumo pops out of nowhere with his hair-spider appearence so maybe we can count 2 so far. I really hope that with the massive ammount of insects around to be inspired upon we don`t have ODA put them on a corner to be forgotten. How sexy would a cockroach lady zoan be?:ninja:
how about this one?:ninja:
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@Don:
Well, a spider isn
t exactly an insect, so i thought this wouldn
t be worth mentioning in that context.You are right. They are arthropods. Which also include the crustacean and insect families. My confusion stems from there, I think. Here I go labeling insect any invertebrate animal having an exoskeleton, my bad.
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Speaking of zoan-type devil fruits, what about allrgies?
I mean, say that you are alleric to cats, and then you greedily devour a cat fruit.
Would that mean that you get a runny nose, itchy eyes and hard to breathe whenever you transform into a cat?
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^^ Lol, that would actually be a neat idea for a funny character in the future :)
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@Foxy:
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/gallery/yes/tumblr_ln9g4rWf1k1qztit6.gif
not sure if good or bad….........
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how about this one?:ninja:
! http://imageshack.us/a/img694/2807/66ccb9c609841ab82c24b03.jpg
Wow, thats a sexy bug:ninja:
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Need a (would like to see):
–Disease Logia
--Sound Logia
--Time manipulation Paramecia
--Dragon Mythical Zoan
--Blood manipulation Paramecia
--Rock Logia
--Owl Zoan
--"Feeling connection" Paramecia (i.e. user can 'link' themselves with others, making someone feel pain when they do).Yup...
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@The:
Need a (would like to see):
–Disease Logia
--Sound Logia
--Time manipulation Paramecia
--Dragon Mythical Zoan
--Blood manipulation Paramecia
--Rock Logia
--Owl Zoan
–"Feeling connection" Paramecia (i.e. user can 'link' themselves with other, making someone feel pain when they do).Yup...
I'm pretty sure that Lafitte will end up having an owl zoan, he had wings in Impel Down, has owl-like eyes, and can hypnotize people, if owls can do something like that.:wassat:
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@The:
Need a (would like to see):
–Disease Logia
--Sound Logia
--Time manipulation Paramecia
--Dragon Mythical Zoan
--Blood manipulation Paramecia
--Rock Logia
--Owl Zoan
--"Feeling connection" Paramecia (i.e. user can 'link' themselves with others, making someone feel pain when they do).Yup...
-A disease logia would be hard to do, a disease paramecia is definitely possible (and cool sounding)
-Again a sound logia would be hard/impossible, an air/gust logia would be a better possiblity
-Time manipulation paramecia sounds very cool but I'm sure there would have to be some limitation like Blackbeard's logia not making him intangible. I'd hope the gorousei have one and they use it in Mariejoa to keep themselves from aging allowing them to live since the void century or at least some of them
-dragon mythical zoan, I would be very surprised if we don't see one. I'd guess either Dragon has it or it belongs to a powerful member of one of the yonkou's crew
-blood manipulation paramecia, seems to be too similar to Doflamingo's power (or it could be) but I would rule it out
-Rock logia, hell yes (I'm hoping for a metal and/or mercury logia)
-Owl zoan, maybe but we only have 1 or 2 flying type DF's left according to what Pell said
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Isn't Foxy essentially a Time Manipulation fruit user? I don't think we'll ever actually see a time traveling type…that'll open like 100 paradoxes
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Also Bonney is in the time-manipulating business^^
But i guess he is more thinking of a JoJoBA type of time manipulation.
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Just to clarify some things:
1. What I mean by time manipulation is, for instance, let's say Kizaru uses one of his 'light beam' attacks. The user of the time manipulation fruit would be able to, in a sphere of influence (similar to Law's room), cancel out the attack (or attacks) by 'skipping' time forward or backward to a point the attack is no longer taking place. Also, they wouldn't be able to age/de-age people but, they can age/de-age other 'things' (i.e. turn a sapling into a giant tree instantly, and visa versa).
2. I'm hoping Doflamingo has a blood manipulation fruit instead of a wire fruit.
3. I don't think a Sound Logia would be that hard to do. I mean…the user's 'elemental' form could look a bit like static on a TV (and make noise similar, of course), and have a large range of interesting attacks (especially with Oda's mind). I suppose a better term would be a 'Wave' Logia, but yeah...
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@The:
Just to clarify some things:
1. What I mean by time manipulation is, for instance, let's say Kizaru uses one of his 'light beam' attacks. The user of the time manipulation fruit would be able to, in a sphere of influence (similar to Law's room), cancel out the attack (or attacks) by 'skipping' time forward or backward to a point the attack is no longer taking place.
Sounds a lot like King Crimson's ability.
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-A disease logia would be hard to do, a disease paramecia is definitely possible (and cool sounding)
-Again a sound logia would be hard/impossible, an air/gust logia would be a better possiblity
-Time manipulation paramecia sounds very cool but I'm sure there would have to be some limitation like Blackbeard's logia not making him intangible. I'd hope the gorousei have one and they use it in Mariejoa to keep themselves from aging allowing them to live since the void century or at least some of them
-dragon mythical zoan, I would be very surprised if we don't see one. I'd guess either Dragon has it or it belongs to a powerful member of one of the yonkou's crew
-blood manipulation paramecia, seems to be too similar to Doflamingo's power (or it could be) but I would rule it out
-Rock logia, hell yes (I'm hoping for a metal and/or mercury logia)
-Owl zoan, maybe but we only have 1 or 2 flying type DF's left according to what Pell said
-feeling connection paramecia, I dunno seems kind of cliche for shonen abilities but who knowsOr, you know… It belongs to Momonosuke, since we know he can turn into a freaking... dragon!
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i wouldn't know what to call it, but rather than time fruit i'd like to see someone who could manipulate space time around them within a certain sphere of influence (much smaller than law's room). Kizaru's lasers for example, while they couldn't be erased, they could be warped around the user, possible phasing abilities, but could only affect the user. I like a warping ability sort of like Noob's abilities from mortal kombat, awesome chain attacks.
as for the manipulation part, it would sort of be http://www.mangapanda.com/103-40169-8/one-piece/chapter-564.html , only space time instead of dirt and water (and on a smaller scale)
Or, you know… It belongs to Momonosuke, since we know he can turn into a freaking... dragon!
and "was turned into a dragon" as far as i could tell. Not "can transform into a dragon"
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and "was turned into a dragon" as far as i could tell. Not "can transform into a dragon"
All the version's that I have seen (Mangarule, Mangastream and Mangapanda) have it like "… turned into a little dragon", not was turned / was changed. So I assume he turned into a dragon on his own, and if that's the case, he does have a dragon devil fruit.
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and "was turned into a dragon" as far as i could tell. Not "can transform into a dragon"
All the version's that I have seen (Mangarule, Mangastream and Mangapanda) have it like "… turned into a little dragon", not was turned / was changed. So I assume he turned into a dragon on his own, and if that's the case, he does have a dragon devil fruit.
CCC's translation might give you good insight on this matter. The word is actually "transformed" as in active verb, not "was transformed" (passive). Although it doesn't really imply that he transformed by his own will/power.
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While the grammar part of the "transformed" is not conclusive, i think out of the context we can at least assume that Mono turning dragon has something to do with the secret room that girl mentioned, so i do not think it is a DF
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Also a little kid said that line, which most likely wouldn`t recognize the differnce between a DF-transformation and a transformation via some special SAD-stuff.
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Quite a few of the pirates/marines in the marineford war had unnamed devil fruits. Do you think that these people will show up again later or will their fruits be revealed in a databook?
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Databook for me or do you necessarily want to see the overpowered caterpillar zoan in action?
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Databook for me or do you necessarily want to see the overpowered caterpillar zoan in action?
overpowered caterpillar for the win. Who needs lightnting, gravity, magma, light and ice when you have SIIIILK :ninja:
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It's not like they have to be awesome in order for them to appear in the story and do something again. Think of them more as potential Daltons, Pells, Chakas, Berrygoods, etc.
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Random topic
Do u think ceasar can go underwater and just bring/create a bubble of air around him?…well any gas
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About Doflamingo's DF power:
I have this weird theory that his DF power might be telekinesis.
With that he can cut as well as control people bodies with his mind. Of course you need to be very strong for that, but he is very strong.
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About Doflamingo's DF power:
I have this weird theory that his DF power might be telekinesis.
With that he can cut as well as control people bodies with his mind. Of course you need to be very strong for that, but he is very strong.
(I was rewatching Heroes the other day and thought about cutting with TK)When Doflamingo controls people, they're able to attempt to resist. If he was mind controlling them, it'd be subconscious and they wouldn't be aware of it. From his puppet gesture he uses, it's pretty obvious he's uses strings. Coupled with his ability to sever limbs, it's a safe bet he uses a String Paramecia.
Someone with a TK fruit that can cut through people and control them reminds me of a combo of Knives and Legato from Trigun Maximum. In the Manga, Knives didn't have the angel arm like Vash. Instead, he could emit telekinetic blades that sliced through anything and everything. Also in the Manga only, Legato had the ability to reanimate the dead and force them to act on his will. Those powers combined would be insanely broken.
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I think he has the power specifically to control bodies, and seperation fits into controlling. Maybe he could heal wounds?
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@Fire Fist:
When Doflamingo controls people, they're able to attempt to resist. If he was mind controlling them, it'd be subconscious and they wouldn't be aware of it. From his puppet gesture he uses, it's pretty obvious he's uses strings. Coupled with his ability to sever limbs, it's a safe bet he uses a String Paramecia.
Someone with a TK fruit that can cut through people and control them reminds me of a combo of Knives and Legato from Trigun Maximum. In the Manga, Knives didn't have the angel arm like Vash. Instead, he could emit telekinetic blades that sliced through anything and everything. Also in the Manga only, Legato had the ability to reanimate the dead and force them to act on his will. Those powers combined would be insanely broken.
It could also be a blood manipulation paramecia, because it can do EVERYTHING a string paramecia can do (and more, much more interesting stuff). I mean…he use to "trade in blood" when he was a slaver.