that's weird because the japanese word really means 'medical treatment' or 'treatment'…
i know nothing about deustch, but Google translate it as behandlung, and when you click to hear the pronunciation it remembers, in a certain way, Hiruruku...
not even the sound of the word remembers Hiruruku?
anyway, if you guys are saying, i believe XD
Databook: "One Piece Green"
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Behandlung doesn't sound like Hiruluk at all.
[http://translate.google.de/?hl=en&tab=wT
C](http://translate.google.de/?hl=en&tab=wT)lick on the speaker on the German side.
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I have to agree that "Chirurg" is the best guess we can offer and when it was originally brought up no better idea was presented.
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LOL
for me it remembers, in a certain way, ヒルルク in japanese…
but my ears has no deustch abilities XD
maybe a mistake of the databook XD -
Does anyone have a list of these in English or know where I can find them in this thread? All the Mega Upload links are down.
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Only 3 parts were translated. They're all on Mangastream.
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I'm looking on Mangastream right now and I just see the latest two One Piece chapters. Am I missing something?
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@Skull:
I'm looking on Mangastream right now and I just see the latest two One Piece chapters. Am I missing something?
It can be two reasons:
They had another mod attack(The mods there are crazy as fuck,they like to hack into eachothers accounts and dealete forums and data),which happened a few days ago
or it can be cause of their policy as being a 'manga sampler' where they only have a handful of chapters on their site at a time and does not want to be considered a 'manga library'
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But where's gone mangastream's forum???
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It was there a few days ago…
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Is there any download link for the translated databooks? Tks!
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is it true that it was revealed in this book that sabo actually died?
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@Mark:
is it true that it was revealed in this book that sabo actually died?
Yep Sabo is dead
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@Mark:
is it true that it was revealed in this book that sabo actually died?
this databook was not done 100% by Oda so its not a fact the editors wrote them down taken from the manga not Oda
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I have a question can any one give me a proof data book published by Oda or noti know more info were wrong like sabo death but some one help !!!!!
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I have a question can any one give me a proof data book published by Oda or noti know more info were wrong like sabo death but some one help !!!!!
The databooks are "approved" by Oda, but are ultimately written by other people. Mistakes are bound to happen because of this.
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@Galaxy:
The databooks are "approved" by Oda, but are ultimately written by other people. Mistakes are bound to happen because of this.
hm ok thanks man :)
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I think Sandman or Greg already confirmed that it's not writen by Oda but only "approved" as Galaxy said
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Even for story purposes if Sabo hadn't been shown alive, If I was Oda(I wish), I would still consider him dead otherwise its just ruining the surprise even though almost everyone predicted that Sabo was alive.
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@Galaxy:
The databooks are "approved" by Oda, but are ultimately written by other people. Mistakes are bound to happen because of this.
I wouldn't even call it a mistake. More like anything but dead would be spoilers.
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I wouldn't even call it a mistake. More like anything but dead would be spoilers.
They could've refrained from mentioning it at all in that case then. Even so, the mistakes encompass more than that, including some birthdays and Jolly Rogers being wrong.
There's also Bastille being listed as a giant… which might be true, but I think it would've been mentioned in the actual manga at some point if it were true (like in his Dressrosa infobox).
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I have a question can any one give me a proof data book published by Oda or noti know more info were wrong like sabo death but some one help !!!!!
I have actually read the databooks because they are available in my region. The page where is stated that Sabo might be dead is about Luffy's developement and his experience with death and and focuses on the scene on amazon LIlily where he cries. HE assumed Sabo was dead so the page picked that up. You all should read the databook in the light of the overall context: It doesn't state in paragraph xyz the "fact" (in a sense of a fact sheets) Sabo is dead. The whole page is kind of about Luffy's inner developement
Bastille being a giant is stated in Deep Blue by the way
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It's also mentioned in Bastille's One-Piece.com anime profile, so Blue Deep isn't the only source.
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Bastille being a giant is stated in Deep Blue by the way
I'm well aware, but I was talking about databook mistakes in general here.
The Sabo case is interesting though, and with that context, I suppose it really isn't a mistake.
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It's also mentioned in Bastille's One-Piece.com anime profile, so Blue Deep isn't the only source.
I'd say that's got the same level of reliability.
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There is error in the databooks the same way there is error in the manga but no one says that the manga ain't canon.
The nitpicking on the databooks' errors it's just a way to disregard them because they give informations that many people don't like.For me the databooks are canon because Oda approve them, the same way the anime is not canon because Oda did not approve it.
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The databooks are supposed to reassemble "data" from the manga into a book, like a One Piece encyclopedia, to allow the reader to have access to quick and reliable information.
Therefore, every "liberty" that they may take regardless of the manga (mentioning something that hasn't been said, shown in the original books) shouldn't be considered as canon (or at least that's how I see it). -
So :
-The fact that Urouge have a devil fruit and how it works is not canon?
-The fact that Whitebeard's crew was the strongest crew is not canon?
-The name " Scopper Gabban" is not canon?
-The basic information on how the different haki work is not canon?
-The name of certain devil fruit are not canon?Because those infirmations only appear in the databooks and not in the manga.
French One Piece Fanfiction: http://www.jeuxvideo.com/forums/42-3…post_893839745
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What? Every devil fruit was named either in the manga itself or the SBS.
Haki was explained in the last chapter before the timeskip, very thoroughly
Whitebeard being the strongest man, and the wb pirates almost matching WG's power indicate their strength.Also, if you don't want to give away info from someone, you don't list every character with that. If you want to keep someone's age secret, you don't put it in every character and then lie, just don't list it for everyone but the main characters.
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So :
-The fact that Urouge have a devil fruit and how it works is not canon?
-The fact that Whitebeard's crew was the strongest crew is not canon?
-The name " Scopper Gabban" is not canon?
-The basic information on how the different haki work is not canon?
-The name of certain devil fruit are not canon?Because those infirmations only appear in the databooks and not in the manga.
The databooks definitely aren't "non-canon". Stuff like names and such are fine, as long as they don't contradict something in the manga. What they are though is unreliable as a 100% factual source for all information, and shouldn't be proclaimed as 100% factual unless the manga/SBSes confirm what they've said.
Also, the examples you listed are all mainly in the manga. Urouge is shown to have a fruit in his battle against the Pacifista, Whitebeard's crew is described as the strongest crew multiple times in the series, Haki has been explained extensively in the manga post time skip, and got its basic explanation in Chapter 597.
There is error in the databooks the same way there is error in the manga but no one says that the manga ain't canon.
Which errors in the manga are you referring to here?
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So :
-The fact that Urouge have a devil fruit and how it works is not canon?That wasn't even mentioned in the actual data book (I'm guessing you're talking about Blue Deep ?). I don't know what the English / Japanese version says but here's the French one :
"He seems to have a power allowing him to increase his muscular mass when receiving damage"
("Il a semble-t-il le pouvoir d'accroître sa masse musculaire en fonction des dégâts qu'il reçoit") In other words, it's a simple "guess" that anyone could have. It's not an affirmation, thus, it isn't canon.So :
-The fact that Whitebeard's crew was the strongest crew is not canon?Could you tell me exactly where this is written (can't find it) ? (in either case, MF pretty much confirmed that)
So :
-The name " Scopper Gabban" is not canon?
-The name of certain devil fruit are not canon?
Ha ha.
Well, obviously names are cannon, I'll agree with you on this point.So :
-The basic information on how the different haki work is not canon?
This "basic information" comes directly from what the manga shows us ; the data-book isn't inventing anything nor introducing new elements that may have been unknown. Everything that is said about haki is in the manga.
(note : next time please indicate on which page I can find the said-facts 'cause having to read through the whole book really is a pain in the ass. :happy:)
EDIT : Damn you, Red Ninjas.
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! @maxterdexter:
! > What? Every devil fruit was named either in the manga itself or the SBS.
! The name of the devil fruit of Very Good, Shu and Sharinguru was firstly introduce in the databook Yellow.
In the SBS of the volume 47, Oda himself refers to the said Databook regarding to the name of the said devil fruit: http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_47.
This SBS is important for two things:
-Oda knows exactly what infos are in the datebooks and he is confident that we ,readers, can find 100 % factual informations in it
-Some infos appear only in the databook
! @maxterdexter:
! > Haki was explained in the last chapter before the timeskip, very thoroughly
! Not with the same accuracy. For example it's in the databook deep blue that we learn that there is different level of mastery regarding CoC for example.
! @maxterdexter:
! > Whitebeard being the strongest man, and the wb pirates almost matching WG's power indicate their strength.
! It's only in the databook Yellow that it is state as a fact.
! @maxterdexter:
! > Also, if you don't want to give away info from someone, you don't list every character with that. If you want to keep someone's age secret, you don't put it in every character and then lie, just don't list it for everyone but the main characters.
! I don't see your point here.
! @Galaxy:
! > The databooks definitely aren't "non-canon". Stuff like names and such are fine, as long as they don't contradict something in the manga. What they are though is unreliable as a 100% factual source for all information, and shouldn't be proclaimed as 100% factual unless the manga/SBSes confirm what they've said.
! Why? No seriously, why?
On what basis should we decide that they are not 100% factual?
! @Galaxy:
! > Also, the examples you listed are all mainly in the manga. Urouge is shown to have a fruit in his battle against the Pacifista, Whitebeard's crew is described as the strongest crew multiple times in the series, Haki has been explained extensively in the manga post time skip, and got its basic explanation in Chapter 597.
! I answered this earlier my post.
! @Galaxy:
! > Which errors in the manga are you referring to here?
! Everytime a new volume came out we list all the rectification that Oda made, Oda often forget to draw Ace's freckles or Zoro ankles' scars, etc…
By the logic applied to the databook, the weekly chapter are not canon and neither is the manga.
! @Kaptayn:
! > That wasn't even mentioned in the actual data book (I'm guessing you're talking about Blue Deep ?). I don't know what the English / Japanese version says but here's the French one :
"He seems to have a power allowing him to increase his muscular mass when receiving damage"
(_"Il a semble-t-il le pouvoir d'accroître sa masse musculaire en fonction des dégâts qu'il reçoit")_In other words, it's a simple "guess" that anyone could have. It's not an affirmation, thus, it isn't canon.
! Even if you want to nitpicking on the "guess" they made on how it works, they listed it in the devil fruit page as a fact.
! @Kaptayn:
! > Could you tell me exactly where this is written (can't find it) ? (in either case, MF pretty much confirmed that)
! In the databook Yellow, page 160.
! @Kaptayn:
! > Ha ha.
Well, obviously names are cannon, I'll agree with you on this point.
! Why the names are obviously canon but the rest isn't?
How do you decide what is canon what is not?
! @Kaptayn:
! > This "basic information" comes directly from what the manga shows us ; the data-book isn't inventing anything nor introducing new elements that may have been unknown. Everything that is said about haki is in the manga.
! As said earlier,no.
In the manga, Rayleigh didn't tell us that CoC has different level of mastery.
! @Kaptayn:
! > (note : next time please indicate on which page I can find the said-facts 'cause having to read through the whole book really is a pain in the ass. :happy:)
! Pas de probleme.French One Piece Fanfiction: http://www.jeuxvideo.com/forums/42-3…post_893839745
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! @Rivaille:
! > The name of the devil fruit of Very Good, Shu and Sharinguru was firstly introduce in the databook Yellow.
In the SBS of the volume 47, Oda himself refers to the said Databook regarding to the name of the said devil fruit: http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_47.
This SBS is important for two things:
-Oda knows exactly what infos are in the datebooks and he is confident that we ,readers, can find 100 % factual informations in it
-Some infos appear only in the databook
! Yes, as said before, stuff like names is fine, as long as it isn't contradicted later. With inaccuracies being found in the databooks though, it means that they aren't 100% factual at all, and that mistakes are made.
! If Oda confirms a fact in the manga/SBS though, that individual fact is 100% factual.
! > Not with the same accuracy. For example it's in the databook deep blue that we learn that there is different level of mastery regarding CoC for example.
! All of this was stated by Rayleigh. "It can only be strengthened by the user's personal growth". The databook just rephrased what he said.
! >!
! > It's only in the databook Yellow that it is state as a fact.
! It is stated multiple times in the manga that Whitebeard is the strongest man in the world, and that his crew is monstrous. The databook just repeats what we've heard in the manga many times.
! >!
! > Why? No seriously, why?
On what basis should we decide that they are not 100% factual?
! Because of known errors. Then there's questionable stuff like Bastille being listed as a giant, which is probably wrong as it didn't get a mention in his infobox at all.
! > Everytime a new volume came out we list all the rectification that Oda made, Oda often forget to draw Ace's freckles or Zoro ankles' scars, etc…
By the logic applied to the databook, the weekly chapter are not canon and neither is the manga.
! Except art errors are not wrong character names, wrong birthdays, wrong classifications, or wrong jolly rogers. Art errors are mistakes that are usually corrected in the volume release, but it's as much of a problem as a continuity error in a film or television series.
! Either way, this logic is extremely flawed. The manga is the source material, and can never be non-canon.
! > Even if you want to nitpicking on the "guess" they made on how it works, they listed it in the devil fruit page as a fact.
! They didn't even need to, as he was shown fighting with it against the Pacifista on Sabaody. His power was all but 100% confirmed there. They're just confirming something that we already knew. -
Even if you want to nitpicking on the "guess" they made on how it works, they listed it in the devil fruit page as a fact.
Then that's exactly the type of non-canon information I'm talking about.
Strictly nothing in the manga mentions Urouge having a devil fruit (even though it's likely, it hasn't been confirmed). These are the "liberties" that shouldn't be considered canon that I was talking about earlier (and don't you dare tell me they asked Oda about it because otherwise they would have been able to tell the name/type of the devil fruit).In the databook Yellow, page 160.
Since this data-book came out before Marine Ford, this is yet another example of the authors taking their beliefs as undeniable facts.
Why the names are obviously canon but the rest isn't?
How do you decide what is canon what is not?Because names cannot be made up, they don't rely on speculation like other facts would. :happy:
As said earlier,no.
In the manga, Rayleigh didn't tell us that CoC has different level of mastery.The data-book doesn't teach you anything new here. Anyone can tell the difference between Luffy's level of "mastery" at Marine Ford and Shanks' (as seen on WB's ship).
Rayleigh doesn't need to tell us anything because it consists of common logic. I could just repeat the same sentence :
"This "basic information" comes directly from what the manga shows us ; the data-book isn't inventing anything nor introducing new elements that may have been unknown. Everything that is said [in the databook] about haki is in the manga. " (and by "[…]what the manga shows us", it doesn't need to be throughout explicit dialog).
We don't need everything to be written, do we ?
Pas de probleme.
Thank you. :happy:
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What i want to say is that Oda made errors or change his mind regarding the manga but we do not consider that the manga is non-canon so why the same logic is not applied to the databook that Oda approve?
Because that the problem in your reasoning, Oda does approve the databook, Oda does refer to them…so if when the datebook are published the info in it are false why Oda gives is seal of approval? Why Oda who always tell us when something is not canon (Movie Z's marine HQ, the anime...) will let the databooks came out with fake infos? Why he will let the databook mislead us?For example, is obvious that they asked Oda about certain name but if Oda change his mind when the character is introduced to the manga do we consider this as a error from the databook? For example if Oda change Scopper Gabban name for "Bronze Gabban" later on is that the databook's error? I don't think so.
My point is that at the time when the datebook is release the info in it are legit but Oda can changes his mind (exactly like he often did with the weekly chapters and the volume).
Therefore how can we decide that this info is canon this info is not? We can't.
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the databooks aren't signed by the author himself as his own work?
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I have a question can any one give me a proof data book published by Oda or noti know more info were wrong like sabo death but some one help !!!!!
Why would the data books reveal something that important; the manga hasn't even revealed?
That by no means makes the data books invalid.
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What i want to say is that Oda made errors or change his mind regarding the manga but we do not consider that the manga is non-canon so why the same logic is not applied to the databook that Oda approve?
Because that the problem in your reasoning, Oda does approve the databook, Oda does refer to them…so if when the datebook are published the info in it are false why Oda gives is seal of approval? Why Oda who always tell us when something is not canon (Movie Z's marine HQ, the anime...) will let the databooks came out with fake infos? Why he will let the databook mislead us?For example, is obvious that they asked Oda about certain name but if Oda change his mind when the character is introduced to the manga do we consider this as a error from the databook? For example if Oda change Scopper Gabban name for "Bronze Gabban" later on is that the databook's error? I don't think so.
My point is that at the time when the datebook is release the info in it are legit but Oda can changes his mind (exactly like he often did with the weekly chapters and the volume).
Therefore how can we decide that this info is canon this info is not? We can't.
This is why i consider all the info canon until proven otherwise.there is a lot of fake info like BB is unbeatable by the 3 admirals when he have only yami yami in the green databook : 3. In the original setting of Blackbeard's Yami Yami no Mi, he was even unbeatable to the three admirals.
…we seen that he escaped in front of akainu when he has 2 devil fruits and not only the yami yami...
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we seen that he escaped in front of akainu when he has 2 devil fruits and not only the yami yami…
Winning a fight in real life isn't always so pretty. You can win and be without a leg, or have multiple stab wounds and die later from infections. Blackbeard is too smart to scuffle when it's not absolutely necessary.
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there is a lot of fake info like BB is unbeatable by the 3 admirals when he have only yami yami in the green databook : 3. In the original setting of Blackbeard's Yami Yami no Mi, he was even unbeatable to the three admirals.
…we seen that he escaped in front of akainu when he has 2 devil fruits and not only the yami yami...
How this is fake?
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Databook is good as a resource, but it's not 100%. THings like "Sabo is dead" for instance. Or mixing up character names and birthdays and flags, even ones that show up twice in the book like the Warlords and having different info for them both times.
It's a good source, but not 100% accurate. Even Oda is prone to mistakes, so even if he did write the databooks himself (he didn't) there'd still be a chance of errors or contradictions from what's been in the manga if he didn't quite check properly on blood types or something, or how names are romanized and things like that.
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What i want to say is that Oda made errors or change his mind regarding the manga but we do not consider that the manga is non-canon so why the same logic is not applied to the databook that Oda approve?
Because that the problem in your reasoning, Oda does approve the databook, Oda does refer to them…so if when the datebook are published the info in it are false why Oda gives is seal of approval? Why Oda who always tell us when something is not canon (Movie Z's marine HQ, the anime...) will let the databooks came out with fake infos? Why he will let the databook mislead us?Because there is a LOT of text in there and Oda trusts his editors to compile that stuff. He'll give it a once over and provide information to fill in the blanks like birthdays or something, but even he can totally miss things… or leave in intentional errors so as to not spoil the story.
He looks it over, it doesn't mean he compared every strip of data in it to his notes line by line spending three hours on every page. That's what the editors are for. He approves it, doesn't mean it got through without mistakes.
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Databook is good as a resource, but it's not 100%. THings like "Sabo is dead" for instance. Or mixing up character names and birthdays and flags, even ones that show up twice in the book like the Warlords and having different info for them both times.
It's a good source, but not 100% accurate. Even Oda is prone to mistakes, so even if he did write the databooks himself (he didn't) there'd still be a chance of errors or contradictions from what's been in the manga if he didn't quite check properly on blood types or something, or how names are romanized and things like that.
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Because there is a LOT of text in there and Oda trusts his editors to compile that stuff. He'll give it a once over and provide information to fill in the blanks like birthdays or something, but even he can totally miss things... or leave in intentional errors so as to not spoil the story.
He looks it over, it doesn't mean he compared every strip of data in it to his notes line by line spending three hours on every page. That's what the editors are for. He approves it, doesn't mean it got through without mistakes.
This post should be stapled to the back of every OP fans' left hand.
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Please don't bump threads that have been inactive for years. Or ask for new copies of old scans from years ago.
