Yo
Did one of you notice:
zoro= green hair
nami= orange hair
ussop= black
sanji= blond
chopper= ?????
robin= brown
and the next one = ??????blue?????
what will Oda present us next time purple lol
Yo
Did one of you notice:
zoro= green hair
nami= orange hair
ussop= black
sanji= blond
chopper= ?????
robin= brown
and the next one = ??????blue?????
what will Oda present us next time purple lol
Yep, that was brought up often in the older threads but I´m one of those guys who likes it. Not that it is the ultimate argument, but I just like it somehow.
BTW, Choppers hair is obviously brown. And Robins would be black just as Luffy´s and Usopp´s.
And as far as further colors are concerned, a white/grey hair dude/chick would be cool. Pink or purple would also be great. And please let´s have at least one guy with a shaved head. Not that there´s anything personal to it.
After seeing this chapter I highly doubt that Pauli will join. Franky makes the run!
Yo
Did one of you notice:
zoro= green hair
nami= orange hair
ussop= black
sanji= blond
chopper= ?????
robin= brown
and the next one = ??????blue?????what will Oda present us next time purple lol
yup i did in an old thread, i think i even started a theory in said thread about the different other hair colours we'd get.
Yo
Did one of you notice:
zoro= green hair
nami= orange hair
ussop= black
sanji= blond
chopper= ?????
robin= brown
and the next one = ??????blue?????
Luffy and Robin both have black hair. Chopper has brown fur.
franky will stay with his family…franky and icerburg have responsabilities with their people...
paulie, on the other hand has more freedom to join mugiwara...he´s only tied to iceburg, but in the same way sanji was tied to zeff
franky will stay with his family…franky and icerburg have responsabilities with their people...
paulie, on the other hand has more freedom to join mugiwara...he´s only tied to iceburg, but in the same way sanji was tied to zeff
It´s actually the other way around. Paulie has much more ties then Franky. Franky has just the FF and that´s it. Paulie is tied to Iceburg, he´s now the maybe most important shipwright at Dock 1 and he´s also a person the people in Water 7 look up too.
Iceburg has survived an asassination, Dock 1 and the Galley-La building are destroyed and large parts Water 7 suffered under Aqua Laguna. With all his ties he has to Water 7 Paulie would be an absolute dork if he would selfishly leave the island behind. Kaku and Lucci are already gone. That´s enough loss for everybody who doesn´t know the truth but with Paulie gone it would be even worse loss for Iceburg, the Galley-La carpenters and the people of Water 7.
If Franky goes the majority of Water 7 wouldn´t miss him. Just his FF and his friends (Iceburg, Cocoro, Yokozuna) would miss him.
I think there is no answer for the question who will join next at the moment …
With all these surprises in the last few chapters i think it would be foolish to say it´s already clear who will join. Okay there are many points for Franky, but but there are also some points speaking for Paulie.
So i´ll just lay back and wait for Luffy´s final choice :happy:
I think there is no answer for the question who will join next at the moment …
The answer was already given with the spread of chapter 377. It´s just that some people won´t believe Oda´s words for whatever reason when he clearly labels Franky as a Mugiwara Pirate.
Wasn´t Vivi also called a Mugiwara Pirate ?
Yeah, but except for the blue hair she doesn´t have anything in common with Franky. Didn´t Vivi sail from Whiskey Peak, over Little Garden and Drum to Arabasta with the Strawhats? That´s quite some time she spent with the crew. She´s no fullfledged pirate crew member but she certainly belongs to a fellowship of the Strawhat.
And now look at Franky. Did you do anything with the entire crew so far that comes even close to that what Vivi did with them no? Henceworth he wouldn´t deserve to be labeled a Mugiwara Pirate. If Franky would have also traveled together with them in between 4 islands then the situation would be the same. But it´s not.
So far Franky didn´t do anything like that. He gave the Strawhats nothing but a hard time and only formed bonds with two members who left the crew and only one who´s still part of it so technically within the story he never even came close to be called a Mugiwara Pirate and yet he is labeled as like that on the spread. What would be the point of that if not to make it come true within the story at some point?
It´s true that Oda often does unexpected things and twists things around, however Oda never contradicts his words. And if Franky wouldn´t join, he would be doing exactly that.
yeah, W7 people needs paulie and galleyla to rebuild the city….but i think paulie isn´t as irreplaceable as franky indeed is for their family...just look all they made to rescue him!
but yeah...all seems to indicate that franky will be the next mugiwara...but is that fact precisely that makes me doubt...we all know, oda is impredictable
yeah, W7 people needs paulie and galleyla to rebuild the city….but i think paulie isn´t as irreplaceable as franky indeed is for their family...just look all they made to rescue him!
That is true, but he Iceburg, Galley-La and Water 7 lost already so much that it is enough actually. If Paulie would leave in such a difficult time he would raise the term dork to a new level.
but yeah…all seems to indicate that franky will be the next mugiwara...but is that fact precisely that makes me doubt...we all know, oda is impredictable
Yes he is, but he never contradicts his own words. And if Franky wouldn´t join he would clearly be contradicting his own words by labeling Franky as a Mugiwara Pirate.
I'm betting Franky and Yokozuna will join. We know Franky is gonna join, so we need some kind of surprise like that…Also, the Strawhats' could do with another strong animal like that.
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yeah, W7 people needs paulie and galleyla to rebuild the city….but i think paulie isn´t as irreplaceable as franky indeed is for their family...
The thing with Family is - you have probably noticed this before - when there has been seperated groups in story arcs they usually end up beginning to work together to build up what's left. Skypieans and Shandian Warriors, Alabasta Rebellions and Alabasta Army folks etc. Here, Galley-la are missing employees and who would be better help than the Family which consists those who previously failed to get into Galley-la, and now they probably get a new chance to make their dream come true.
we all know, oda is impredictable
This always sounds somewhat fanboy-ish. Oda can make twists and turns but he isn't impredictable.
That is true, but he Iceburg, Galley-La and Water 7 lost already so much that it is enough actually. If Paulie would leave in such a difficult time he would raise the term dork to a new level.
Not so. Sure, he's one of the foremen, but still, he's not a political figure. At the same time, he's only one foreman of Galley-La, and, while important, hardly necessary for the operation of the city or the company. It'd be more difficult without him, but he's not vital. The city would still have Iceburg, Lulu, and Tilestone.
Yes he is, but he never contradicts his own words. And if Franky wouldn´t join he would clearly be contradicting his own words by labeling Franky as a Mugiwara Pirate.
And, while I agree Franky will be the next Straw Hat, saying so because of one color spread isn't really a good argument. Ivotas, you should realize it's just one color page. He hasn't appeared with them on any others. Seeing as how he's fighting the CP9, it's not an unreasonable assumption that he could be on there because it's a vs. page, and he IS fighting.
About the "label"… A label is just a label, and it's used for the group as a whole. What else would it say, seriously? "Mugiwara Pirates plus Franky?" I don't think that would work as well.
Just playing the devil's advocate for a bit. XD
saying so because of one color spread isn't really a good argument.
While I kinda agree (well, not really), out of curiosity… if the color spread would had had Pauly instead, would it had been just a color spread?
And, while I agree Franky will be the next Straw Hat, saying so because of one color spread isn't really a good argument. Ivotas, you should realize it's just one color page. He hasn't appeared with them on any others. Seeing as how he's fighting the CP9, it's not an unreasonable assumption that he could be on there because it's a vs. page, and he IS fighting.
Well if he hasn't appeared with them on any other color spread it's because he's not officially part of the crew yet. The CP9 vs Mugiwara Pirates is a hint from Oda, if he started to put Franky on every color spread now it'd be the confirmation he's part of the crew before it actually happend in the manga, it'd be way too akward.
Plus, honestly… He's on the pic with Mugiwara Pirates written below, and he has the exact same pose than the others... He perfectly fits.
I agree this is just one color spread nothing more. When you are saying that he will join because he is called a mugiwara-pirat than the whole FF have to join as well because they already stated it but I think that this will never happen.
I also think Franky will join. I also think that Pauli has a chance and I like him more but Oda could have some suprise for us.
My hopes are for Califa
While I kinda agree (well, not really), out of curiosity… if the color spread would had had Paulie instead, would it had been just a color spread?
It's not a non-point. It's just not the end-all be-all argument people make it out to be.
Well, he could have, for starters, not drawn Franky into the picture if he didn't want to associate him with the Mugiwara.
And well Paulie just doesn't bring anything new to the crew… he looks like a younger Smoker; he's blond, (using the hair color argument) like Sanji; he smokes, like Sanji; he has a weird reaction to beautiful women, the opposite of Sanji; he has issues with money, the opposite of Nami; he's serious at about the same level as Zoro; I couldn't see him interacting well with the more goofy members of the crew, like Chopper; neither would he have much to talk about with Robin, unless he tried to steal her role as big sister...
Having Paulie in the crew would probably get us forever stranded in the same comic reactions to women and money, which other characters already cover quite nicely. We'd also see him trying desperately to look as kickass as Zoro and Sanji and, while his fighting style is very cool, there's just nothing refreshing to his take on fights on an emotional level. We need someone who's a lot more special than Paulie, and we certainly don't have anyone in the crew yet who finds a tense situation the perfect moment to strike absurd poses (re: Franky).
Franky just offers a lot more possibilities than Paulie, both on the fighting level, him being a cyborg and all, and on the interaction level. He could get on with all of the crew members, he fits in with them and he has quirks which are truly his own, like the poses, the guitar or the dependance on cola.
Paulie just can't keep up with that, although this is just my opinion.
Anyway, I'm already looking forward to the next possible character. A bard, right? Any chance we'll get another female Strawhat?
@Monkey:
Well, he could have, for starters, not drawn Franky into the picture if he didn't want to associate him with the Mugiwara.
And well Paulie just doesn't bring anything new to the crew… he looks like a younger Smoker; he's blond, (using the hair color argument) like Sanji; he smokes, like Sanji; he has a weird reaction to beautiful women, the opposite of Sanji; he has issues with money, the opposite of Nami; he's serious at about the same level as Zoro; I couldn't see him interacting well with the more goofy members of the crew, like Chopper; neither would he have much to talk about with Robin, unless he tried to steal her role as big sister...
Having Paulie in the crew would probably get us forever stranded in the same comic reactions to women and money, which other characters already cover quite nicely. We'd also see him trying desperately to look as kickass as Zoro and Sanji and, while his fighting style is very cool, there's just nothing refreshing to his take on fights on an emotional level. We need someone who's a lot more special than Paulie, and we certainly don't have anyone in the crew yet who finds a tense situation the perfect moment to strike absurd poses (re: Franky).
Franky just offers a lot more possibilities than Paulie, both on the fighting level, him being a cyborg and all, and on the interaction level. He could get on with all of the crew members, he fits in with them and he has quirks which are truly his own, like the poses, the guitar or the dependance on cola.
Paulie just can't keep up with that, although this is just my opinion.
Anyway, I'm already looking forward to the next possible character. A bard, right? Any chance we'll get another female Strawhat?
Ok thats your view but I have to say that I like his comic reaction and his fighting style is bad-ass… Rope-Action 4eva
Not so. Sure, he's one of the foremen, but still, he's not a political figure. At the same time, he's only one foreman of Galley-La, and, while important, hardly necessary for the operation of the city or the company. It'd be more difficult without him, but he's not vital. The city would still have Iceburg, Lulu, and Tilestone.
I never said he is a politic figure. I said he is somebody who people look up to (though not as much as Iceburg). He is a local hero and he would clearly show some bad style if he leaves in a time like this. Franky is the underworld boss of Water 7, his repuation wouldn´t suffer if he´s gone, but Paulie would come over as an total ass who´s been misjudged.
And, while I agree Franky will be the next Straw Hat, saying so because of one color spread isn't really a good argument. Ivotas, you should realize it's just one color page. He hasn't appeared with them on any others. Seeing as how he's fighting the CP9, it's not an unreasonable assumption that he could be on there because it's a vs. page, and he IS fighting.
That is the same weak argument I´ve heard many times before ever since the spread appeared. This spread is not a spread where they are riding roosters, it´s not a spread where they are playing Basketball, it´s not a spread where they are cavemen it´s a spread that represents a situation from the story instead of a alternate reality. Unlike in other threads we see Sogeking instead of Usopp because the spread is tied to events in the story.
Furthermore when we saw Sogeking´s weapon for the first time on that spread nobody never EVER doubted that we will see it actually appear in the story. But if Franky is labeled as one of the Mugiwara Pirates on the very same spread, it suddendly isn´t worth the paper it´s printed on? Talk about a bias.
About the "label"… A label is just a label, and it's used for the group as a whole. What else would it say, seriously? "Mugiwara Pirates plus Franky?" I don't think that would work as well.
It doesn´t matter if you think "Mugiwara Pirates & Franky VS Cipher Pol no. 9" doesn´t work. It is very popular to include a "&" in team fights labels. Let me bring a practic example. Don´t know if you´re familiar with Wrestling but if in the old WCW days a tag team like for instance the Harlem Heat wanted to take on three NWO guys, with the help of…let´s say Sting, then it would have looked like this:
"Harlem Heat & Sting VS NWO" and not "Harlem Heat VS NWO"
This is one little example but posters that aim to promote a fight always give a full indication who is fighting with who against how. They don´t make generalizations.
Henceworth if Franky wasn´t supposed to be a Mugiwara Pirate in the future, Oda would have clearly have labeled it as "Mugiwara Pirates & Franky..."
I never said he is a politic figure. I said he is somebody who people look up to (though not as much as Iceburg). He is a local hero and he would clearly show some bad style if he leaves in a time like this. Franky is the underworld boss of Water 7, his repuation wouldn´t suffer if he´s gone, but Paulie would come over as an total ass who´s been misjudged.
You act like he'd be leaving immediately and without consent from anybody. Please. If Paulie leaves, it'd be after being urged to do so by Iceburg and probably the rest of Galley-La. Just like when Sanji left, it'd be an emotional experience for Paulie and only done after getting the support of everybody else.
You act like he'd just pack up his bags and leave, screw what the men of Galley-La think. And you're right, if he did THAT, he would be an ass. But I doubt that would be the case, and you should, too.
That is the same weak argument I´ve heard many times before ever since the spread appeared. This spread is not a spread where they are riding roosters, it´s not a spread where they are playing Basketball, it´s not a spread where they are cavemen it´s a spread that represents a situation from the story instead of a alternate reality. Unlike in other threads we see Sogeking instead of Usopp because the spread is tied to events in the story.
You're completely ignoring the fact that it is a vs. page. Because of that, it's going to show all the fighters. It would just be dumb if it didn't.
Furthermore when we saw Sogeking´s weapon for the first time on that spread nobody never EVER doubted that we will see it actually appear in the story. But if Franky is labeled as one of the Mugiwara Pirates on the very same spread, it suddendly isn´t worth the paper it´s printed on? Talk about a bias.
There is a fundamental difference. Franky's inclusion lets us know he's fighting. The label, however, is just a general label. It doesn't say "LOOK HERE FRANKY'S A STRAW HAT!!" It's showing him in the group of fighters.
It doesn´t matter if you think "Mugiwara Pirates & Franky VS Cipher Pol no. 9" doesn´t work. It is very popular to include a "&" in team fights labels. Let me bring a practic example. Don´t know if you´re familiar with Wrestling but if in the old WCW days a tag team like for instance the Harlem Heat wanted to take on three NWO guys, with the help of…let´s say Sting, then it would have looked like this:
"Harlem Heat & Sting VS NWO" and not "Harlem Heat VS NWO"
This is one little example but posters that aim to promote a fight always give a full indication who is fighting with who against how. They don´t make generalizations.
Henceworth if Franky wasn´t supposed to be a Mugiwara Pirate in the future, Oda would have clearly have labeled it as "Mugiwara Pirates & Franky..."
Very popular… for WCW wrestlers?
Please. Look at the color spread. Tell me how "Straw Hats and Franky" would look. It just looks better that way.
Now let me again confirm; I do agree with it. I just don't agree that it's suddenly an awesome argument. I can argue that Franky will (and he will) join the Straw Hats. But that argument is, frankly, one of the worst, and I would never consider using it myself.
You act like he'd be leaving immediately and without consent from anybody. Please. If Paulie leaves, it'd be after being urged to do so by Iceburg and probably the rest of Galley-La. Just like when Sanji left, it'd be an emotional experience for Paulie and only done after getting the support of everybody else.
You act like he'd just pack up his bags and leave, screw what the men of Galley-La think. And you're right, if he did THAT, he would be an ass. But I doubt that would be the case, and you should, too.
I´ve never said that Paulie would just leave immediately. But even if he leaves after some weaks it would still be a big loss. Galley-La and Water 7 experienced some big damages, thanks to CP9 and Aqua Laguna. That can´t be made undone in two days. It will need month´s of reconstruction and people needs symbols and local heroes to believe in. Lucci and Kaku are already gone. That´s enough. They don´t need to lose another local hero. Just imagine what message that would bring over to the people. It would be like "They are all abandoning us. We´re doomed". While if Franky goes everybody except for the FF would be like "Thank heaven, he´s finally gone."
You're completely ignoring the fact that it is a vs. page. Because of that, it's going to show all the fighters. It would just be dumb if it didn't.
It´s also showing Robin who clearly won´t be fighting here so what´s the point?
There is a fundamental difference. Franky's inclusion lets us know he's fighting. The label, however, is just a general label. It doesn't say "LOOK HERE FRANKY'S A STRAW HAT!!" It's showing him in the group of fighters.
Lol, this is where I disagree. We´re talking about Oda here after all. Do you really think that he would have made such a glitch on the first spread that shows Franky and the Strawhats together. I mean do you really think that?
Very popular… for WCW wrestlers?
You know, somehow I knew this would come as a response. It was an example. Please don´t make me go list of all possible non-WCW situations where such an example makes sense to.
Please. Look at the color spread. Tell me how "Straw Hats and Franky" would look. It just looks better that way.
I´ve looked at it and I seriously don´t see any problems with "Mugiwara Pirates & Franky". If doesn´t work for you then this is your personal taste but don´t act like it is an objective argument.
Now let me again confirm; I do agree with it. I just don't agree that it's suddenly an awesome argument. I can argue that Franky will (and he will) join the Straw Hats. But that argument is, frankly, one of the worst, and I would never consider using it myself.
It´s the best argument you can get. It has text support which comes out of Oda´s feather. As I said, the thread showed Kabuto and nobody denied that it would appear at some point. How come nobody ever questioned the validity of the spread here?
I´ve never said that Paulie would just leave immediately. But even if he leaves after some weaks it would still be a big loss. Galley-La and Water 7 experienced some big damages, thanks to CP9 and Aqua Laguna. That can´t be made undone in two days. It will need month´s of reconstruction and people needs symbols and local heroes to believe in. Lucci and Kaku are already gone. That´s enough. They don´t need to lose another local hero. Just imagine what message that would bring over to the people. It would be like "They are all abandoning us. We´re doomed". While if Franky goes everybody except for the FF would be like "Thank heaven, he´s finally gone."
I'm sure the people of Galley-La and Water Seven would be sending him their best wishes, too. "We can handle things on our own, Paulie. Go and sail with them!" It's not hard to imagine at all.
It´s also showing Robin who clearly won´t be fighting here so what´s the point?
Because she's part of the group?
Look, it's not hard to realize it'd be dumb to not include one of the fighters. It'd also be dumb not to include one of the Straw Hats. It doesn't mean all of the shown characters are both.
Lol, this is where I disagree. We´re talking about Oda here after all. Do you really think that he would have made such a glitch on the first spread that shows Franky and the Strawhats together. I mean do you really think that?
How is it a glitch? It's just a name. A label. I never saw it as a glitch. Because I never took it the way you did.
You know, somehow I knew this would come as a response. It was an example. Please don´t make me go list of all possible non-WCW situations where such an example makes sense to.
Here's the problem with your example, and any example. It's not Oda. Give me an example of Oda doing it.
Maybe he thinks like me. Thinks it wouldn't look as good. So he chooses the one that's better to look at. It's not a big deal.
I´ve looked at it and I seriously don´t see any problems with "Mugiwara Pirates & Franky". If doesn´t work for you then this is your personal taste but don´t act like it is an objective argument.
You're right. You know what? There are two points of view. But which is Oda's? WE DON'T KNOW. So you can't dismiss the possiblity he would choose mine! But you ARE dismissing it. You're dismissing that possibility. You're saying mine is wrong and yours is right, while either could be correct.
And if the possibility exists, it's not the excellent argument you're making it out to be.
It´s the best argument you can get. It has text support which comes out of Oda´s feather. As I said, the thread showed Kabuto and nobody denied that it would appear at some point. How come nobody ever questioned the validity of the spread here?
Like I've said… just because you TAKE IT as text support doesn't make it so. And nobody's questioning the validity of the spread. Why do you keep bringing that up? It's just the label, the name, might be misleading to some, chosen to keep the spread simple. That's hardly a question of "validity." Two seperate issues, which you're not addressing with that statement.
And I can give better support for Franky. For instance, the stance about how Paulie is taking a more minor role while Franky's role is increasing... that makes a good, fair argument. Or how Franky is fighting a member of the CP9, while Paulie only got Baskerville, that's an argument worth consideration. But talking about the spread is pointless. "It says Mugiwara! Look! Right there!" It's just not the best point, and one that really shouldn't be brought up.
I'm sure the people of Galley-La and Water Seven would be sending him their best wishes, too. "We can handle things on our own, Paulie. Go and sail with them!" It's not hard to imagine at all.
You know I could also leave everyone who I love behind when they need me most because I feel the desire to make a change in life. And they would still wish me luck. But that doesn´t mean that deep inside they wouldn´t feel betrayed.
Because she's part of the group?
Look, it's not hard to realize it'd be dumb to not include one of the fighters. It'd also be dumb not to include one of the Straw Hats. It doesn't mean all of the shown characters are both.
Robin won´t be fighting because she´s the one to be saved. Just as Nami didn´t fight against Arlongs men or Vivi didn´t fight against one of the officer agents. And she´s still part of the group, just as Franky.
How is it a glitch? It's just a name. A label. I never saw it as a glitch. Because I never took it the way you did.
What I meant to say is that Oda had something in his mind by drawing Franky in a group and putting it all under one label.
Here's the problem with your example, and any example. It's not Oda. Give me an example of Oda doing it.
Sorry but that as really really weak argument. By saying it´s not Oda we couldn´t ever use any analogies at any point which is a downright ridiculous thing to say. True it´s a own fictional world but it doesn´t mean it can´t be related to other things. Oda himself confirmed that he gets inspired by other things when he creates a character, a name or a place. And right now with the fighting label out of a sudden it can´t be related to real word examples? Sounds a bit strange.
You're right. You know what? There are two points of view. But which is Oda's? WE DON'T KNOW. So you can't dismiss the possiblity he would choose mine! But you ARE dismissing it. You're dismissing that possibility. You're saying mine is wrong and yours is right, while either could be correct.
I didn´t say you´re view is wrong I just said that it´s unconventional and not something that I´ve seen so far anywhere. Of course Oda could indeed use his own way, but seeing it as that he get´s his inspirations from everywhere it wouldn´t surprise me if this would be yet another situation where he let himself inspire from elsewhere.
And if the possibility exists, it's not the excellent argument you're making it out to be.
Not for somebody who´s not familiar with it but what do we know what went through Oda´s mind. Last time I checked wrestling wasn´t exactly small in Japan. Not to mention that his Pandaman seems to be a wrestler, so I wouldn´t rule the possibility out that Oda is completely clueless here.
Like I've said… just because you TAKE IT as text support doesn't make it so. And nobody's questioning the validity of the spread. Why do you keep bringing that up? It's just the label, the name, might be misleading to some, chosen to keep the spread simple. That's hardly a question of "validity." Two seperate issues, which you're not addressing with that statement.
Seriously, that´s a dumb argument. Every argument made on all of these Franky vs Paulie threads is somehow based on personal interpretation of things. And now out of a sudden the argument I´m making doesn´t hold any water because it is my personal take on it?
And I can give better support for Franky. For instance, the stance about how Paulie is taking a more minor role while Franky's role is increasing… that makes a good, fair argument. Or how Franky is fighting a member of the CP9, while Paulie only got Baskerville, that's an argument worth consideration. But talking about the spread is pointless. "It says Mugiwara! Look! Right there!" It's just not the best point, and one that really shouldn't be brought up.
You know if I would like to do so I coul use your point of argumentation then I woud say stuff like "That´s your take of things but just because YOU take it that way it doesn´t have to be so".
And what now? It is after all your view of things and you can´t prove for sure that this is what Oda wanted to say until you didn´t talk with him.
The point is, that everything said is based on personal takes. But you try to make it out that what I say isn´t valid because it is my personal take while what you say is a valid argument because its your personal take. That´s a very intolerant way of having an argument.
You're offering this one point as INFALLIBLE. You say over and over that it has to be this way. There is no room for argument. Oda says he's a Mugiwara, so he HAS to be. There's no room for argument.
That's what flawed. I'm trying to show that it's still just an opinion, but you're not presenting it as one.
How can it not be an opinion when it comes from my mouth? I´m not saying that I spoke to Oda and that he told me it is so, I´m saying that I take the as Spread as Oda´s guarantee to be so.
I didn´t know that I have to express that words "I think", "I take it as" or "IMO" everytime I´m making a poin, to prove that I don´t see myself as Oda´s official ArlongPark spokesman.
It's not a non-point, as I've said. But considering it to be the best of all arguments… any reasons supported in the story itself are better.
And I've seen it used far too often as the "cincher." You can't argue against it! Pshah.
It's not a non-point, as I've said. But considering it to be the best of all arguments… any reasons supported in the story itself are better.
And I've seen it used far too often as the "cincher." You can't argue against it! Pshah.
Well the point why I consider it as the best argument is because long before that spread appeared everything and I mean EVERYTHING already spoke for Franky. Then came the spread what just a confirmation.
I mean if the spread would have come much before the revelation of Cutty Flam, the flashack, the revelation of the dream, the constant and constant comming growth of Franky as a character etc. then the spread would be a "WTF?" spread. But seeing it that it appeared when actually in the story all spoke for Franky to me it has the "Yes, you assumed right guys." message from Oda.
I recently found this over at j-list.com (2007 May-June Toei animation calendar) hmmmmmmmm…
it's from Toei….not directly from Oda.....
I will only believe it if Oda put up something....... or something....
So many thick headed people so little time.
Regardless of where it's from or what it means, that's a really frickin cool picture and I want it. Anyone have a wallpaper sized version? :)
ill settle this…
luffy's drawing is SO franky…ahah i know im not the one who thought this up but this convinced me as well as volume 43 cover
also i know this settles nothing but i thought it was interesting
also, paulie is so lame to me...his rope fighting kinda sucks and seems too limited and i prefer franky who can grow stronger as well with just add ons his possibilities are limitless...and he's much funnier and more creative...paulies aversion to short skirts and such didnt entertain me
thats just my .02 on what i think and hope will happen...either that or someone completely different like lucci somehow
So many thick headed people so little time.
so? a calendar picture can't really prove anything….
think headed? whatever.....
the decision lies with Oda.......... Oda says "Franky is the new mugiwara" is the confirmation or a chapter of the manga titled "The seventh person" or something like that?, not a calendar picture.....
it's franky for sure man…. he's fighting with them as a team already...it's soso franky
<<<<<< look …
franky is cooler
99.9% he's joining
0.01% Oda surprises us and pulls a "vivi"
nyways the straWHat doesn't NEED 2 SHIPWRIGHTS
You misused the term "pulling a vivi"
to pull a Vivi, v.
to stick to a certain group of people, principle, ideal, etc. for an extended period of time just to jump off due to an ulterior motif at the very last, frickin moment.
1. I left my wife for you! Now don't pull a Vivi on me!
2. _No more beer for me. I'll have to pull a Vivi.
ooops sorry…that's for franky
so? a calendar picture can't really prove anything….
think headed? whatever.....
the decision lies with Oda.......... Oda says "Franky is the new mugiwara" is the confirmation or a chapter of the manga titled "The seventh person" or something like that?, not a calendar picture.....
YES THICK headed, it means dumb or can't get something through your head that WILL happen, FRANKY WILL JOIN have no doubt about it, its JUST going to happen.
I myself also have this feeling that paulie might be the next crewmember…
yeah I know there are many who likes franky no doubt about that...
but I just have the feeling that franky might just stay in water seven with iceburg...and maybe paulie will join...
well coz he's a shipwright...he also has an interesting skill that utilizes ropes...
and it might bring a funnier atmosphere in the strawhats ship that someone gets irritated seeing skimpy women and sanji woud object coz he likes women...........
i really dont know and I dont want to jump to conclusions...lets just see what oda's got in store for us!
YES THICK headed, it means dumb or can't get something through your head that WILL happen, FRANKY WILL JOIN have no doubt about it, its JUST going to happen.
I have no doubt Oda is going to do that, but there is still a chance Oda won't…........ anything could happen between now and the chapter that Oda decides to add the new shipwright.........
I am always that thick headed...... like I said...WHAT ever......
nyways the straWHat doesn't NEED 2 SHIPWRIGHTS
it could have a musician and a shipwright
not that I think paulie is going to join. I want him to join but I can now see it is not happening sad but true
I can franky say, Franky has the highest percentage of joining….follow by Paulie, then Kaku....... but until and unless Oda says so, one can still hope...... but as this arc nears to a close, Franky is leading by miles!
The only hope that Franky won't join is Oda's unpredictablity. I mean, if Paulie went with the Strawhats to face CP9 then I guess that'd boost his chances, but you know, as of today, it can be assumed that Paulie is dead, and Franky is alive and his bond with the majority of the crew (especially Robin) is really strong. Plus he's placing all his bets on them, whereas Paulie is too dead to gamble anymore.
well, you better pray that Oda is breaking tradition for this arc…....
Okay dudes, I picked up some points in this thread and my points, because I'm really really bored [is that a good reason? :p]. By saying that I also say: Things may have been mentioned before and gathered here.
1. As said: "
I'll take a cyborg in speedos over a smoker who's good at boyscout knots to join the crew." by someone, I don't remember the nick, good job. thumbup
2. My opinion-
I just can't stand it, when I see Franky's picture I just can't help but think he is a SH, while Paulie is hella boring, I see all his attacks as the same one. When people here said "new attacks for paulie" it took me some time to actually understand what they meant! So, Franky's yelling "SH" to me.
2. The priority for nakama-
Franky cried, was filled with anger, rampaged in the city, fought like mad, kidnapped someone, and cried over and over again, for his nakama.
On the other side, Paulie wanted to avenge HIMSELF all along. You can say Iceburg too, but it's his mentor after all.
3. The personality-
When you look at the whole series from above, you can see Luffy doing the same thing as Paulie: Sending an attack of the same pattern [REALLY same, Sanji is a little different with the places the kick focuses], untill he got Gear 2nd of course, but leave that at the side. What's the difference between the two? Yeah, it's the title for this subject, the personality. Taking the teeth and using them himself [Arlong is when his pattern starts to be boring], admiring another battle [Chopper], taking water as a weapon in a unique way, and thinking of alot of weird and creative ways to get over the so-called Mantra. All made the fight ALOT better, almost made all the fight [oh course I just pointed out some points, there were plenty of stuff]. Honestly, it's not the power that will make him the pirate king, but the personality. Paulie's personality is… Normal! just normal at his field in all ways! he's a normal shipwright, normal personality, just a little OMG with the pants won't make him special too much. You can see very well what's the idea about comparing to Franky. After a complete idiot, an ideal coward, a money-lover betrayer, a lazy monster awakened in battle, a womanizer, a cute little pet, and a serious old one, all that's left is an Ace Ventura and an annoying brat fan! After that, you can only repeat the character, but not before you get at least another unique one.
Crap, the personality subject was too long.
4. Status-
Here you can only say Franky is superior to Paulie, it can be obvious if you see that Paulie's mentor is equal to Franky without fighting counted.
Boss of Water7, underground boss of Water7.
Boss of Galley-la, boss of Franky Family.
Calm pupil of Tom, Crazy pupil of Tom.
Look at that, and you see Paulie and Zambai completely equal.
More? While Paulie has equals just next to him, Franky is all alone on that subject. Again, just like Iceburg.
5. Dreams-
Of course, you can't reason that one for Paulie. WTF will Paulie do on the ship?! Fulfilling his dream being a shipwright while he was one for years? Fulfilling his dream of burning skirts? What is it?!
Franky has to stay on his ship and fix it when needed, surely because if not it'll end the same way as the Merry. He needs to run away from Water7 since isn't reported dead [if we assume the SH will indeed escape from the BC].
6. Mentor sacrificing something-
Every mentor in OP has sacrificed something in his body, life included, to help [possibly not directly] the one counting him as a mentor. Tom sacrificed his life. Iceburg was one of the two the sacrificing was meant for. Iceburg didn't sacrifice anything for Paulie.
7. Robin's reason for unexpected entry-
I saw those who suggested Paulie for an unexpected entry. But as I saw everything, the only reason Robin entered the crew was for Enies Lobby. Skypiea's Poneglyph was for us to meet with Robin's reason to stay in the crew not only for being with them, but for fulfilling her dream. Enies Lobby couldn't exist as it exists so good and lively. Thus I don't see any other reason for an unexpected entry.
8. The skill-
It's too obvious but can't be missed: Franky actually built a cyborg!
This kind of technology I'm sure can't be made by Iceburg.
Franky, by blowing fire and saying "I'm a cyborg", later saying "I created myself" is his ticket for being the best mechanical in a world that doesn't even have television. Like I said earlier, aside from fighting skills, Paulie's skills as a shipwright are extremely normal [as for creating, not building. Even I can stick a piece of wood to a wall if I was a little more muscles and was taught a little more. YEA I'M WEAK SO WHAT].
9. Natural Talent-
You can place it will the subject above, although a little different.
Luffy for being a creative fighter with no fear, Zoro for being the fighter with so much ambition, Nami as the ultimate genius navigator, and so on. All were extremely talentful in their fields. Franky was discovered by Tom shooting a canon made from shit, saying "my parents abandoned me" with no drop in his eyes, I don't think I need to say more, especially when compared to the little Paulie who followed the Sea Train with an admiring look, and said he learned every little thing from Iceburg.
10. Becoming the best-
Again it is connected with the subjects above, you can say every SH has the ambition of becoming the best at his field except Sanji and Chopper who are a little different. And again, Franky is and Paulie not. Too tired to detail, you can understand it yourself.
11. Family-
Evry SH has no real parents, but mentioned as not being there for the character showed WHEN talking about their homes in flashbacks. as Paulie has no flashback I might guess you will say something like that will happen when his flashback will come. I will not add another subject to say: NO FLASHBACK FOR PAULIE! DEAL WITH IT!
12. Strong-
They might cry and they might not, all the SH are REALLY REALLY strong spiritually. Paulie, without thinking twice, delivered his message to Zoro and jumped to COVER for the SH, from the thinking he will not be able to win against CP9. And here I say: Who cares?! he could just stick with someone and help him in battle! there were plenty of people to jump!
13. Fighting details.
Franky explained two weaknesses, how he got his fighting style and explained roughly about his attacks. Paulie throw ropes who knot themself like living beings, damn.
14. Getting old-
Alot of people said Franky's personality will get old quick. It irritates me so much ><
Luffy's stupid behavior.
Usopp's cowardly behavior.
Zoro's lazy behavior and fights with Sanji.
Sanji's womanizing behavior and fights with Zoro.
If it's another weird behavior that may get old and may not, I'm very happy with the time it is not. While I said earlier, Paulie is damn normal.
15. Underlings-
People said here Franky had his FF that he can't abandom. If Usopp's Island was this late, you will most surely say the same thing about Usopp if there was another candidate. Why? It's obvious, because of the Usopp Pirates who stayed strong after the long cry when they were told Usopp is leaving. Although not kids anymore, I'm guessing the same thing for the FF, assuming they're alive.
16. FRANKY'S HOLY TRIPLE CHIN-
Have you thought about it? The actual reason why Franky made his chin triple when it was straight before the Impact. If it's me I'd say its another amzing attack, waiting to be discovered in a pinch. So here's another new thing possible after all those attacks discovered. There might be even a series of unique attacks, its triple after all.
17. Offence for EL-
Remember that Paulie said he's gonna fight them for not going for Enies Lobby, another proof he is focusing on avenging himself or nothing. I'm gonna collapse any second from finger wounds so no more.
18. FRANKY WON'T GROW, HE'S A CYBORG, SO AS OLD HE MAY BE WE DON'T NEED TO CARE.
19. The reason I see for being a Paulie fan-As I can see it, with no offence of course, Paulie fans just saw too much OP while remembering Robin's entrance, that got them away and away as far as they can, unconciously, from Franky who was an obvious character joining, and got to the closet one for being a crew member: Paulie. Again, It's only as I can see it, that you will alway and always, unconciously, go for Paulie and look for Franky's bad points. No, making his good points look bad. So, you can say everything you want about this message, it'll be either side who will get owned really badly after all our sweating in this argue.
PHEWWWWWWWWWWW~
Paulie was built up to be the next crew member… before Franky's flashback. There was no Robin syndrome.
And there's so much else wrong with your points I don't even know where to begin....
Not that Franky's NOT the one joining, but damn you picked some bad points to try to prove it.