I posted this in the chapter thread, but it was ignored.
Prototype for the Samurai guy?
I posted this in the chapter thread, but it was ignored.
Prototype for the Samurai guy?
I posted this in the chapter thread, but it was ignored.
http://i41.tinypic.com/etzebo.jpg
Prototype for the Samurai guy?
Nice catch. it could be him. He's got the katana and the haircut.
A samurai wearing a knight armor is what I would expect from Oda.
I've never seen all of that photo before. On the left is Boa, next to her is… maybe proto-Wiper? I can't think of a lot of cannon users. Below that is probably a giant... Kaido would be interesting.
The upper right really does look like a samurai the more I look at it. I didn't realize that he's holding a katana at first. We don't see a lot of heavily armored fighters, either...
Giant is Broggy. Pretty sure that is not proto-wyper. Boa and Broggy are close and Samurai is also very detailed so the cannon dude will likely look relatively close to that image. Not like old badass/kinda generic pretty boy Hyozo who was just a quickly done sketch.
Big Mam is probably Lola's mom. I'm calling it.
@The:
The question is: will he absorb its soul?
Hahahaha, I didn't understand that until I finally played skyrim the other day.
I have big dreams for Elbalf if you know what I mean. "Fable Land" could mean a lot more than just giants. For instance talking animals such as Bepo and Pekoms(whose names are strikingly similar for two characters of different species) are commonplace in fables. Fairies appear in many fables, perhaps Elbalf is another landing zone for the winged people that landed on Jaya. This is unlikely, I know.
The dragon that appeared on Punk Hazard is undoubtedly directly inspired by fables, as stated by Zoro. Finally Big Mom has her Alice and wonderland theme and she herself is a giant. Big Mom is not based on Elbalf so perhaps she lends her name to the island or they are in no need of protection like Wa.
Big Mam is probably Lola's mom. I'm calling it.
That was called nearly 2 years ago, (mangreader posted that chapter in April 2010) ever since Kidd first said "Big Mam/mom" back when the war was at an end. http://www.mangareader.net/103-50569-5/one-piece/chapter-581.html
ITs been pointed out over and over there in nothing to say that
Dr. Vegapunk will have a DF. His DF will allow him to time travel, the reason why he's said to be "500 years ahead of his time" (because he brings technology back from the future, uses it for his creations).
The giant skeleton on Punk Hazard is Little Oars.
I predic that Kaidou isn't as evil as he is portrayed. Maybe that anger and build up was from the loss of his son Cutty Flam who will once again be re-united with him after a fight because Franky will be hard to recognize. Even before the time skip even iceburg couldn't recognize franky after mechanizing himself. It'll be even harder now.
@The:
Dr. Vegapunk will have a DF. His DF will allow him to time travel, the reason why he's said to be "500 years ahead of his time" (because he brings technology back from the future, uses it for his creations).
Could be a tricky theory. If only one kind of a devil fruit can exist at a time, what kind of madness would prevent one from traveling to a time when another person possessing the Time Travel fruit exists? Or what kind of insanity would arise if you did that anyways? And so on and so forth.
The Vegapunk arc will be filled with awesomness. It will probably have:
-enhanced Pacifistas
-Tons of booby traps
The Vegapunk arc will be filled with awesomness. It will probably have:
-enhanced Pacifistas
-Tons of booby traps
- An absurd number of crazy animals(even more insane than SW)
- Mecha Vegapunk vs Mecha Granky
- Luffy vs Sentomaru
-Zoro vs Kuma
I actually don't think Vegapunk is going to be a bad guy.
What if Vegapunk has a psychic DFyou know telekinesis, telepathy, and all of that other good stuff
I actually don't think Vegapunk is going to be a bad guy.
No, I don't think he is a bad guy. He granted Kuma's last wish. He must be an honorable man.
However, I would not be surprised if he tests the strenght of the straw hats.
my first Theories in this thread
-big mom is DF user type logia
-three eyes girl is just kinda type of humans like long arms clan
pekoms and bepo from island is full with human shape animals
new nakama to SHP will be DF user type logia "fire" ace DF
like there is phoenix DF , will be anubis zoan DF with black flame body "the dark of death flame like real anubis" ,
his nick name will be " Sairento oji" , mixed character between Japanese and ancient Egyptian culture
Rev.Dragon is DF user type logia "wind fruit"
enel will back with alien army from pirates
Vegapunk is young man and he is work in WG to earn money to help his village
sabo still alive and he is DF user with very strong power
that's all for now .. i know some of this Theories is just Fan thought :P
I predic that Kaidou isn't as evil as he is portrayed. Maybe that anger and build up was from the loss of his son Cutty Flam who will once again be re-united with him after a fight because Franky will be hard to recognize. Even before the time skip even iceburg couldn't recognize franky after mechanizing himself. It'll be even harder now.
I doubt Franky is his son, but I too think he isn't that bad. The true Yonkou villains of the New World will be Big Mom and Blackbeard. Kaidou hasn't done anything that definitely cemented his status as an evil person. Exterminating Moriah's crew? No matter how friendly they are, pirates usually have areas where they are quite amoral, and they are villains after all. And Moriah isn't exactly a good guy either. Trying to stop Whitebeard before the war? He did that, but we don't know for what reason. Everybody seems to think he wanted to kill off Whitebeard. It could also be that he wanted to stop the Whitebeard Pirates to offer his help, or that he simply tried to stop them because he was afraid they would be killed off in Marineford and disrupt the balance of power.
I doubt he is Shanks level goodness, but he and/or his crew could be sort of an ally or at least neutral.
A thought occurs to me. Mere minutes before the next chapter comes out, and I'm sure the spoiler topic might know already so I'm just crazy. But:
I'm thinking legs-only guy is someone unfortunate enough to encounter Law.*
I know, I know, there's a LOT wrong with that vein of thinking, but, it's just a thought.
Bird lady's a dude.
And Law ran into Blackbeard or Vegapunk sometime recently. I know he's not a pure-hearted good guy, but I don't get why Law would do something like this on his own.
Vegapunk probably is a good guy that was forced to work for the Marines, or at least heavily persuaded him into working with them.
The fact that he was planning to create a system to heat his home island makes me believe that he was working on it and the Marines either took him by will, threatened his island, or lied and said they'd fund the project to heat the island if he worked with them.
Oda seems to like his history so maybe Vegpunk will be like Peter the Great. Peter wanted a warm water port for Russia and Vegapunk wanted to heat his cold island
Kaidou hasn't done anything that definitely cemented his status as an evil person.
That we know of, jsut because Oda hasn't revealed it doesn't mean its not happened. Yet you have a point that since we do not know what he's done, we can not say he's same level of trechery as Blackbeard.
Exterminating Moriah's crew? No matter how friendly they are, pirates usually have areas where they are quite amoral, and they are villains after all. And Moriah isn't exactly a good guy either.
Good point, after all in the War we learn that Roger exterminated Squad's crew, yet we love Roger. So we cannot say a pirate is evil because he had a entire crew (save for the cpatain) killed.
Bird lady's a dude.
lol now that is a possiblity, all we see is the face…and that was partially hidden. When Izo first appeared it took several panels to see that he was a male and not a lady. In a few of the very first panels Izo looked feminine.
Could Vegapunk be an ex-member of Kaido's crew? (Maybe he's still secretly a part of Kaido's crew).
Kaido's crew seems to have a technological theme–basing this on the moving metal city and lowly cyborg crew member Drake and friends encountered--and well...Vegapunk is VERY technological.
I bet Shanks went back to East Blue to find the Poneglyphs or something along those lines. I noticed in the first chapter he also mentions that he's heading north next. Maybe he means North Blue? Well, hopefully Oda answers why Shanks left the Grand Line. That's always kind of bothered me.
@The:
Could Vegapunk be an ex-member of Kaido's crew? (Maybe he's still secretly a part of Kaido's crew).
Kaido's crew seems to have a technological theme–basing this on the moving metal city and lowly cyborg crew member Drake and friends encountered--and well...Vegapunk is VERY technological.
That's like saying Franky was once a member of Kaido's crew because he's also very technological. Just because they have something in common, doesn't mean that they are related.
That's like saying Franky was once a member of Kaido's crew because he's also very technological. Just because they have something in common, doesn't mean that they are related.
Ha! And I thought I was crazy. I cant even believe you mentioned a "Franky was once a member of Kaido's crew because…", even if you don't mean it whatsoever.
Obviously...Franky is Kaido's son, that Kaido threw overboard..
@The:
Ha! And I thought I was crazy. I cant even believe you mentioned a "Franky was once a member of Kaido's crew because…", even if you don't mean it whatsoever.
Obviously...Franky is Kaido's son, that Kaido threw overboard..
Interest for technology is genetic? Didn't know that. :P
The bird person that Usopp saw could possibly be a person from the island in the sky that Shiki put (from Strong World)? Remember how they were growing feathers under their arms to develop wings and fly?
I actually don't think Vegapunk is going to be a bad guy.
No, I don't think he is a bad guy. He granted Kuma's last wish. He must be an honorable man.
However, I would not be surprised if he tests the strenght of the straw hats.
Honorable men do not play with dead bodies.
While he did good deeds , attempting to help his home islad and respect Kuma's last wish, Vegapunk is not without sin, When creating the Pacifistas, it starts with desrecrating dead bodies. It was revealed in the war that dead bodies were taken to Vegapunk's labs and were being altered to look like Kuma and be cyborgs, then animated.
Here is a quote from OP wiki http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Pacifista#Pacifista_Units =
"The Pacifista are built from human corpses, except for the original Kuma, who was gradually converted into a Pacifista. The Pacifista have the voice of Kuma, furthering their genuine replication to him. They all have no memories of their past lives and are under complete control of the World Government."
Here is that actual page from the manga = http://www.mangareader.net/103-37651-2/one-piece/chapter-562.html
We know of 2 times that Vegapunk either did or tried to do good deeds. But we know of at least 24 times he descrated corpses. PX-1: Appeared at Sabaody. Sent to an unknown location by Bartholomew Kuma.
PX-4: (Destroyed) Appeared at Sabaody. It was destroyed by the Straw Hat Pirates.
PX-5: (Destroyed) First seen appearing behind Sentomaru at the new G1 base after the timeskip. It was destroyed by Luffy at Sabaody. PX-7: (Destroyed) First seen appearing behind Sentomaru at the new G1 base after the timeskip. It was destroyed by Zoro and Sanji at Sabaody.
Twenty unidentified units at Marine HQ, not including Kuma himself. Several destroyed collectively by the Whitebeard Pirates, their New World allies, and Boa Hancock.
There were two other PXs on SA that was never revealed if they were destroyed or not, if they were not destroyed then they could ahve been part of the 20 during the war. Since its unknown, I didn't count them.
So that is at least 24 times that Vegapunk desacrated the dead.
I don't care if he did one good deed by granting Kuma's wish. I don't care if he promised to help out his home island….it was said it was a long time ago and he hasn't come back. Maybe I would be mroe sympathetic towards him but I can not forgive someone who plays as Doctor Frankenstein.
Think about it, that is 24 times the dead were either dung up or were never buried. 24 times that someone's dead body was taken and altered so much that they no longer look like they shoud but are made into a clone of Kuma.
Some fans may joke and say its okay for Vegapunk to use their body to be made into these mindless weapons. But look at you friend, your lover, husband, father, brother, son, cousin, ect. Would it be okay to overlook Vegapunk's using their dead body? You wouldn't be able to go to a grave to mourn. They all look like Kuma so their true identity is destroyed forever.
Just 1 time (much less the known 24) of using a corpse is unforgivable.
Honorable men do not play with dead bodies.
While he did good deeds , attempting to help his home islad and respect Kuma's last wish, Vegapunk is not without sin, When creating the Pacifistas, it starts with desrecrating dead bodies. It was revealed in the war that dead bodies were taken to Vegapunk's labs and were being altered to look like Kuma and be cyborgs, then animated.
Here is a quote from OP wiki http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Pacifista#Pacifista_Units =
"The Pacifista are built from human corpses, except for the original Kuma, who was gradually converted into a Pacifista. The Pacifista have the voice of Kuma, furthering their genuine replication to him. They all have no memories of their past lives and are under complete control of the World Government."
Here is that actual page from the manga = http://www.mangareader.net/103-37651-2/one-piece/chapter-562.htmlWe know of 2 times that Vegapunk either did or tried to do good deeds. But we know of at least 24 times he descrated corpses. PX-1: Appeared at Sabaody. Sent to an unknown location by Bartholomew Kuma.
PX-4: (Destroyed) Appeared at Sabaody. It was destroyed by the Straw Hat Pirates.
PX-5: (Destroyed) First seen appearing behind Sentomaru at the new G1 base after the timeskip. It was destroyed by Luffy at Sabaody. PX-7: (Destroyed) First seen appearing behind Sentomaru at the new G1 base after the timeskip. It was destroyed by Zoro and Sanji at Sabaody.
Twenty unidentified units at Marine HQ, not including Kuma himself. Several destroyed collectively by the Whitebeard Pirates, their New World allies, and Boa Hancock.
There were two other PXs on SA that was never revealed if they were destroyed or not, if they were not destroyed then they could ahve been part of the 20 during the war. Since its unknown, I didn't count them.So that is at least 24 times that Vegapunk desacrated the dead.
I don't care if he did one good deed by granting Kuma's wish. I don't care if he promised to help out his home island….it was said it was a long time ago and he hasn't come back. Maybe I would be mroe sympathetic towards him but I can not forgive someone who plays as Doctor Frankenstein.
Think about it, that is 24 times the dead were either dung up or were never buried. 24 times that someone's dead body was taken and altered so much that they no longer look like they shoud but are made into a clone of Kuma.Some fans may joke and say its okay for Vegapunk to use their body to be made into these mindless weapons. But look at you friend, your lover, husband, father, brother, son, cousin, ect. Would it be okay to overlook Vegapunk's using their dead body? You wouldn't be able to go to a grave to mourn. They all look like Kuma so their true identity is destroyed forever.
Just 1 time (much less the known 24) of using a corpse is unforgivable.
From a moral viewpoint, you're probably right, from a scientific viewpoint, that's just dumb. Guess which one Vegapunk is more likely to follow?
Good people often do questionable things for the sake of Science. Plus, we still don't know if he's doing all those experiments willingly or just following orders.
From a moral viewpoint, you're probably right, from a scientific viewpoint, that's just dumb. Guess which one Vegapunk is more likely to follow?
Good people often do questionable things for the sake of Science. Plus, we still don't know if he's doing all those experiments willingly or just following orders.
Sciene would allow using the corpse for study - medicine, human anatomy,ect., those are fine and allow to help humanity.
But animation? To make a mindless soldier?
That is still a very big taboo in the 21st century. Even someone of little to no religion,- agnositcs and athiests- will not promote using corpses to make a mindsless solider.
Sciene would allow using the corpse for study - medicine, human anatomy,ect., those are fine and allow to help humanity.
But animation? To make a mindless soldier?
That is still a very big taboo in the 21st century. Even someone of little to no religion,- agnositcs and athiests- will not promote using corpses to make a mindsless solider.
They're called "Pacifistas" for a reason. They were created for a "good cause". Vegapunk could believe this.
The WG most likely doesn't care about the morality behind those practices (they don't follow Moral Justice after all). If it were to help them deal with pirates, they would allow it.
And I reinforce again: We still don't know if Vegapunk is doing all those experiments willingly or not.
Sciene would allow using the corpse for study - medicine, human anatomy,ect., those are fine and allow to help humanity.
But animation? To make a mindless soldier?
That is still a very big taboo in the 21st century. Even someone of little to no religion,- agnositcs and athiests- will not promote using corpses to make a mindsless solider.
I'm not convinced they Vegapunk is actually using corpses. Think about it, Kuma himself is not a corpse, and modifying other people's corpses to look like Kuma would seem to be unnecessary (in fact, a variety of forms would be more useful). I think it is more likely that Vegapunk has some way to actually clone (make copies) of the original Kuma, and uses these copies to improve the design.
Is it so hard to just leave the pacifistas as advanced robots. Kuma is the first one experimented on and he gave "birth" to the idea of making the new paacifistas. Didn't think it was so hard to understand.
This may be a little exaggerated, but about Roger's Devil Fruit (if he had one); I think it was some kind of Gold Devil Fruit, you know turning himself and objects around him to gold. I've had this thought for a long time now. It could be a reason why the Government calls him Gold Roger, and it would support the fact that One Piece is not a typical treasure like Gold and Diamonds.
Again, it may be exaggerated, and sorry if this has been said before.
The Midas Midas no mi?
I like the idea but I do believe that the reason he was called Gold Roger was because his name was Gol D. Roger but the marines sort of combined it together.
I'm not convinced they Vegapunk is actually using corpses. Think about it, Kuma himself is not a corpse, and modifying other people's corpses to look like Kuma would seem to be unnecessary (in fact, a variety of forms would be more useful). I think it is more likely that Vegapunk has some way to actually clone (make copies) of the original Kuma, and uses these copies to improve the design.
Thats the problem, we rather its robots in Kuma's image or clones grown fast, but Oda says its corpses in the manga. Until he gives more info, we can't know. Perferably, I hope the coprses was a one time experiment that was ditched but I doubt it cinse it had to happen often for the information to spread around that random pirates in the New World knows about it.
The Marines probably made up the whole "Gold Roger" thing to cover up his connection with the Will of D.
I think the whole Kuma theories is over complicating things a bit. Vegapunk won't just go gung-ho on Kuma, putting a wire here and there etc.The bodies would have been used for experimenting and testing cyborg designs before he made the real thing. Than, when Kuma was complete, he was replicated and refined over time.
Thats the problem, we rather its robots in Kuma's image or clones grown fast, but Oda says its corpses in the manga. Until he gives more info, we can't know. Perferably, I hope the coprses was a one time experiment that was ditched but I doubt it cinse it had to happen often for the information to spread around that random pirates in the New World knows about it.
How long will it take to you to realize that the WG doesn't care if corpses are used to create weapons? They aren't above taking down a ship full of innocent people just to kill a little girl.
This is already the third time I'm adressing this: We don't know if Vegapunks is doing all those experiments willingly or not. And even if he's doing it willingly, he could be doing it with good intentions. The Pacifistas were made to hunt criminals, after all.
How long will it take to you to realize that the WG doesn't care if corpses are used to create weapons? They aren't above taking down a ship full of innocent people just to kill a little girl.
Please go re-read my posts. I never argued that the WG care about that. My posts are how we fans see Vegapunk as good or evil. Many fans refuse to see that there is a middle area, it is not all black or white.
This is already the third time I'm adressing this: We don't know if Vegapunks is doing all those experiments willingly or not. And even if he's doing it willingly, he could be doing it with good intentions. The Pacifistas were made to hunt criminals, after all.
Good intentions still do not excuse some acts. If slavery is wrong, so is descracrating the dead.
I am not saying that Vegapunk is totally evil. I am saying that he is a complex character that is in the middle. It may be by choice or by force, Moral justice or Absolute justice, doesn't matter whcih one it is. My point is that Vegapunk is not a sterling good boy, as a few people are saying. Why is it so hard to accept?
We accept Franky and he was the leader of thugs who mobbed Usopp. Franky has fists made of steel but that didn't stop him from hitting Usopp when Usopp dragged himself to thier hideout, beggign to return the moey they stole. I do not deny that Franky was a lowlife back then but Franky is my 3rd fave Strawhat, with Usopp being my first.
I am not bashing Vegapunk, I am accepting that he is more complex than just "good or evil". It is complexity that makes the best characters. I am wanting to point that out so people will appreciate the full impact of the character of Vegapunk.
To deny that Vegapunk has negative points is selling his character short.
Nobody here is calling Vegapunk a saint. He could be genuinely good-natured, despite his questionable experiments.
Thats the problem, we rather its robots in Kuma's image or clones grown fast, but Oda says its corpses in the manga. Until he gives more info, we can't know. Perferably, I hope the coprses was a one time experiment that was ditched but I doubt it cinse it had to happen often for the information to spread around that random pirates in the New World knows about it.
Are you sure? look at waht i've qouted here
@akagami7:
In what chapter Sentoumaru said that Pacifistas were built from human corpses?
here
! http://i24.mangareader.net/one-piece/562/one-piece-925075.jpg although i think there was a translation issue as well with this one.
Oh, So it was in the war, because of that I haven't found it reading Sabaody arc.
Thanks.
Yeah, I think this was one of two translations that seemed to question whether or not the whole case with the corpses was accurate or not..
I honestly don't know which is true, though, to be honest, as I'm not exactly fluent in Japanese. However, if I remember correctly, I think the actual subbed episode didn't use the "corpses" portion of the dialogue, though I might be wrong.
aohige's translation for the same
"pirate: I've heard rumors.. that Dr Vegapunk is developing a "Human weapon", and have been sending prototypes into missions!!
But why do they all look like Kuma!?"
from chapter 562.afaik anime too used the same thing , no mention of corpses there.
Are you sure? look at waht i've qouted here
ahh, sorry I'd like to answer you but I don't understand what you're mean here.
Since you emphasised the part where I say "Oda said its corpses in the manga" I would have thought you were asking me if I was sure on that statement. But you quote another personthen copied the question aksing where it was said, and another person gave the link (same page I've given a link to in a previous post) to where the manga says it.
So, on what are you asking asking me am I sure on?
I have one here! http://peacetheory.wordpress.com/poneglyphs/cape-of-the-strongest-swordsman/
// Zoro’s scar is the mark of a challenger to Yoru who has lost.
Assumption: We are indeed correct in calling Rayleigh’s old cape the cape of the strongest swordsman.
<-> Zoro fought Mihawk but received no scar earlier in the series
–> Mihawk used a dagger.
<-> Rayleigh has a scar.
–> Presumably because Mihawk had to use Yoru to defeat Rayleigh for his cape.
<-> Zoro trained with Mihawk and now has a scar.
–> Presumably because Zoro is so strong that Mihawk had to train him with Yoru.
<-> Mihawk has no scar.
–> Presumably because he beat whoever he had to for Yoru in order to become its owner.
What do you guys think? I think it explains neatly why Mihawk has Rayleigh's cape, and why Zoro and Rayleigh have scars but Mihawk doesn't.
EDIT: So there's a huge problem with this - Rayleigh had his scar way before Mihawk should've been old enough to do any real damage to him. The only explanation at this point is that Rayleigh got his scar from the previous owner of Yoru, but now I'm just making the theory fit the theory and that's bad science. Leaving it up for the sake of transparency/inspiring conversation/thought :P
ahh, sorry I'd like to answer you but I don't understand what you're mean here.
Since you emphasised the part where I say "Oda said its corpses in the manga" I would have thought you were asking me if I was sure on that statement. But you quote another personthen copied the question aksing where it was said, and another person gave the link (same page I've given a link to in a previous post) to where the manga says it.
So, on what are you asking asking me am I sure on?
read till the end, the last guy who participated in the discussion posted this
@shashank41:
aohige's translation for the same
"pirate: I've heard rumors.. that Dr Vegapunk is developing a "Human weapon", and have been sending prototypes into missions!!
But why do they all look like Kuma!?"
from chapter 562.afaik anime too used the same thing , no mention of corpses there.
as you see aohige's translation is completely different.