I found the new episode surprisingly funny, good jokes and I liked the horribly scarred guy
The Simpsons
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@RobbyBevard:
But he isn't. He's just some guy PRETENDING to be Skinner.
I find it interesting how hated that episode is because it's one of my favorites and more than that, it stands out to me. I think it represented something new at a time when there was never anything new in the simpsons but captured the feeling of the entire show in the fact taht everything went back to "the status quo" afterwards. To me, the problem with the simpsons isn't that it's bad now, it's that it should REALLY have ended a long time ago. The show WORKED because everything stayed the same, the characters were reliable for funny jokes based on their personalities and interests and the town felt like a warm and REAL place. But after so much time the jokes just got old. The obvious solution is to shake things up but after so much time I don't think people will react well to any real change-up, like the aformentioned Enda/flanders marriage… Though i admit Maude's death was friggin sweet.
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I really enjoyed the season premiere, aside from the last joke which popped out of no where and was completely unfunny. The breaking forth wall jokes work, maybe because outside the Treehouse of horrors series of episode, that never happens and seemed pretty fresh for this show.
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What Season is this? I'll see if I can catch the premiere online before tomorrow night. I usually forget since it's on Animation Domination… which is mostly just Seth's crap.
Though i admit Maude's death was friggin sweet.
Yeah man.. Those bones hitting the concrete man. Sweet.
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[http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/simpsonstv-an-entire-channel-devoted-to-nothing-but-the-simpsons
H](http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/simpsonstv-an-entire-channel-devoted-to-nothing-but-the-simpsons)ow you guys feel about the Simpsons Channel, a channel devoted to airing nothing but The Simpsons. If you think about it, if they aired every Simpson's episode in a row for 24 hours each day, it would only be about 2 weeks worth of programming.
Even if it happens, it wouldn't be for another year due to contracts on syndication. I can see them dividing the 24 hours into two 12 hour shifts where they air the same exact line up twice a day.
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It would fall harder than Tech TV and Spike TV
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What Season is this?
Also, I missed the premere…..hopefully I won't miss the episode tonight.....
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What Season is this? I'll see if I can catch the premiere online before tomorrow night. I usually forget since it's on Animation Domination… which is mostly just Seth's crap.
Yeah man.. Those bones hitting the concrete man. Sweet.
I mean in terms of character development, storylines and etc.
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http://tv.ign.com/articles/119/1198119p1.html
Discuss.
! My personal opinion, as someone who saw every episode from the first one to sometime near the end of season 22, is that I actually would not mind it ending. As funny as some of the jokes they have still are, I feel like what exists now is an empty carcass of what the simpsons used to be. I'd be happy if they faced cancellation and went out with a bang.
This is my opinion of course, I know some people still enjoy it, just like some people still enjoy futurama and the office, but for me a show sometimes needs to end gracefully.
Also, those voice actors, as good as they are, are making sooo much money. I find it hard to believe someone can't settle to live with only $4 million a year. -
Doesn't the media go through with this every time the voice actors are re-negotiating their contracts? I remember a story exactly like that one from a couple of years ago. I doubt anything's going to come of it.
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Yeah, every couple of years how much the VAs get paid comes up. Though usually its them striking for a raise, not usually negotiating an agreement to take a cut.
But yeah… each of the main 6 gets like 350,000$ each an episode currently. Yes they're tied to their roles, and I won't deny their talent, but really, its a single afternoon of work. Really easy, fun work.
You guys can get by with only a quarter million per episode to ensure you get a few more years milking it. You can do your entire year in the course of a productive week.
Especially for the actress that does Lisa. She only has the one role and its her natural voice.
Also, those voice actors, as good as they are, are making sooo much money. I find it hard to believe someone can't settle to live with only $4 million a year.
4 million isn't good enough, it's got to be 5 million.
They'll probably hit a compromise somewhere in the middle. But really, when the budget of the show is currently 50 or 60 million… on the VA's alone? That's just ridiculous. You could fund an disney movie or three seasons of Avatar on that!
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That's so fucking scary about Lisa's VA.
That's her voice. Without even changing in tone. I've seen a movie or two that she appeared in, and when she talks, it's like, "Oh, hey it's Lisa…..wait....BWAH?" Her voice doesn't even match her appearance, though it's strange to say that since she does seem a bit like a human, adult Lisa.
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It's hard to imagine that the VAs would really go through with this if for no other reason that it's a lot of money for relatively little work and they will never, ever make this much money doing anything else. Julie Kavner especially.
If one of them died or retired, then that's one thing, but ending the show purely because the voice actors want more money? I'll believe it when I see it as they'd probably recast them first. Hell, remember that footage of that guy doing his Homer impression?
And, before anybody brings up the Futurama thing, that came across as more of a "studio wants to cut corners" situation rather than a "greedy actors want to take your favorite show away". I think the studio could easily cast this situation in the latter light while it wasn't really possible where Futurama is concerned.
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I wonder if the writers would ever start taking the approach of just leaving half the cast out of any given episode. Its what some shows like West Wing or LOST did in the later seasons, when the actor salaries hiked… suddenly there were a bunch of episodes with only half the main cast members.
Given how many of the Simpson's VAs do multiple roles, it'd be pretty easy to write an episode here or there without say, Bart, Lisa or Marge taking up a B plot. (All of whom have the least roles in the show. )
Dan Castellaneta, Hank Azaria and Harry Shearer have dozens (hundreds?) of characters between them, any one of the could easily fill out an episode by themselves.
I could see an episode with just Mr. Burns, Smithers, Ned Flanders, Rev. Lovejoy, Kent Brockman, Dr. Hibbert, Lenny, Principal Skinner, Otto, and Rainier Wolfcastle.
Or an episode with just Homer, Grampa, Barney, Krusty, Willie, Mayor Quimby, and Hans Moleman. I'm not sure what it would be about, but it could be done. And actually quite creative by limiting the cast choices.
Or Bart could always finally hit puberty.
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Next season is gonna be it's last.
And if the cut debacle isn't sorted out soon, it could end this year.
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http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/21192.html
Yawn Is this series even mortal?
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Oh wow .
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Sorta want this series to end, I love this show but It can't go forever, and I don't want be a bearded old man still watching the Simpsons with Groening long gone.
….......Unless they do a time-skip.
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If they are smart, just do a unresolved series finale, that will carry over for the second film which will be the real conclusion to the whole series like South Park will in its last years.
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I was thinking about this while working in my neighbor's yard today and the announcements comes to no surprise. If the show does not end in 2 seasons, it would probally end in about… 6-7 or so years. Either way, the show has made a legacy and was one of the earliest influences in my life. All good things has gotta end sometime. Now I can only hope that whatever shows that were inspired by The Simpsons can properly take its torch and create something that can last and remain fresh for years and years to come. Sure generations that grow with such shows would see a decline in originality and quality as seasons go by, but I believe having something that's easily recognizable and iconic worldwide is alot more important and heartfelt(unless it's a case like Calvin and Hobbies... but that's RARE).
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Now watch Family Guy last for another twenty years.
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Who's Family Guy?
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Who's Family Guy?
That drunk, dumb and really socially awkward guy at a party who pokes at you, and is desperate for attention so he pulls down his pants to make you laugh.
And you feel indifferent towards him all the time.
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My heart has sunk…..
The Simpsons is without a doubt my all time favourite TV show. I've been watchin it for over 17 years - since i was like 8 years old....
The recent 2 seasons just gone had vastly improved on the quality of episodes they were releasing - please God no. Don't let this be the end...
If it ends, it'll be an epic tragedy for me. The Simpsons has been a huge part of life since i was a kid, and i still watch it every single day.:cwy:
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My heart has sunk…..
The Simpsons is without a doubt my all time favourite TV show. I've been watchin it for over 17 years - since i was like 8 years old....
The recent 2 seasons just gone had vastly improved on the quality of episodes they were releasing - please God no. Don't let this be the end…
If it ends, it'll be an epic tragedy for me. The Simpsons has been a huge part of life since i was a kid, and i still watch it every single day.:cwy:
Personally, I feel that while they are indeed better than previous seasons, it still doesn't quite reach the level they once had. And I'm not speaking with nostalgia glasses here … I've actually seen old episodes and new ones back to back, and the difference is striking. Even the animation has taken a toll, characters are considerably less expressive.
But that's my opinion ...In any case, I think you should be happy that the show ends on a good note and not a terrible one. I do hope that whatever ending the simpsons has is a truly solid one, I'd hate to see a show I've liked so much throughout my life disappear like a fart in the wind.
I really like the idea of a season finale left to be concluded in a second film. It gives me Arrested Development vibes of awesome. -
I kind of do want it to end, but from what I've heard they picked a time when the writing actualy doesn't suck anymore , so…..about 8 seasons too late.
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If they are smart, just do a unresolved series finale,
HELL NO. That is the opposite of smart. Shows should never, ever, ever, end a season with a promise they can't keep. I can't think of how many classic shows ended on a cliffhanger tease… and then never got another season/movie whatever to resolve it. Doesn't matter how sure they are they're getting more... they just shouldn't do it.
NO. No ending on an unresolved note. That only goes badly.
(I'm looking at you, Reboot, War Planets, Sonic SatAM, Pirates of Dark Water, Samurai Jack, Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors, Family Matters, etc.)
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http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/21192.html
Yawn Is this series even mortal?
I already consider this series to be part of the living dead.
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@RobbyBevard:
HELL NO. That is the opposite of smart. Shows should never, ever, ever, end a season with a promise they can't keep. I can't think of how many classic shows ended on a cliffhanger tease… and then never got another season/movie whatever to resolve it. Doesn't matter how sure they are they're getting more... they just shouldn't do it.
NO. No ending on an unresolved note. That only goes badly.
(I'm looking at you, Reboot, War Planets, Sonic SatAM, Pirates of Dark Water, Samurai Jack, Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors, Family Matters, etc.)
Add Saban's Spiderman to that list. At least a whole season got devoted to looking for Mary Jane with constant on and offs about us finding her, and a final resolution was left over to "next time" in favour of the obligatory Stan Lee cameo…...only for Saban to make a new Spiderman series a year later, not bother to explain how Mary Jane got back or where she was , sidetracking the whole show to an inverted X-Men alternate reality plot (which I kind of liked) , bring up a ton of plot threads and then end by Venom and Carnage showing up in the ending and never resolving any of those issues again…...
My god I hate Saban.
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@RobbyBevard:
HELL NO. That is the opposite of smart. Shows should never, ever, ever, end a season with a promise they can't keep. I can't think of how many classic shows ended on a cliffhanger tease… and then never got another season/movie whatever to resolve it. Doesn't matter how sure they are they're getting more... they just shouldn't do it.
NO. No ending on an unresolved note. That only goes badly.
(I'm looking at you, Reboot, War Planets, Sonic SatAM, Pirates of Dark Water, Samurai Jack, Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors, Family Matters, etc.)
HELL YES.
A cliffhanger that leads to the grand second film could be interesting, If done right. it could be epic and a brilliant way to attract more folks to see it.
Plus with how popular the Simpsons are it could warrant a second film, after all the first film was successful. Hell all those series you mentioned never even got a movie in the first place, and plus if Samurai Jack ever gets that movie made than that cliffhanger finale would be worth it.It certainly appeals to me, I think it would be cool way to kick off the finale film. if it gets made.
I'm rather flabbergasted you didn't mention that MTV Spider-man show on your list.
But I think we can at least all agree on my main point a second film should conclude this series.
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@RobbyBevard:
HELL NO. That is the opposite of smart. Shows should never, ever, ever, end a season with a promise they can't keep. I can't think of how many classic shows ended on a cliffhanger tease… and then never got another season/movie whatever to resolve it. Doesn't matter how sure they are they're getting more... they just shouldn't do it.
NO. No ending on an unresolved note. That only goes badly.
(I'm looking at you, Reboot, War Planets, Sonic SatAM, Pirates of Dark Water, Samurai Jack, Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors, Family Matters, etc.)
Actually, on a show like the simpsons, in which there's really nothing to resolve, I don't see why it would be a problem to leave things on an unresolved note. I'm thinking of the British Office, in which they established possibilities but still left the show with uncertainty. Plus, I think it'd take away from the characters if everything was peachy all of a sudden.
And I really disagree with you on unresolved notes only ending badly.
When futurama was cancelled and they used "The Devil's Hands are Idle Playthings" (I think that's what the episode is called, the one where Fry gets the robot devil's hands) as the closing episode the brilliance was in the fact they hinted at the possible advance of Fry and Leela's romance, but didn't put it out there as an obvious resolution. When AD ended the arc was kind of dealt with, but there was more stuff happening and hints of a continuing conflict … if everything had been immediately resolved it would have just been unbelievable and silly. Sure, these two shows ended with the possibility of a comeback, or a movie, etc., ... but there's no reason to believe the same doesn't apply to the Simpsons, which could easily go into movie format the same way futurama did (because, frankly, money is what moves these decisions and the movies would make money.)
Not to mention the fact that these are comedy shows that draw laughs from placing characters into situations that satirize real life. They're in no way ideal like novels or romantic comedies, which is why even if a character reaches their ideal form they still return to the status quo at the end. A realistic ending that assumes that there really is no ending, in my opinion, is the best. If it was a romance or a soap opera, sure, end it with a wedding and we can be happy about how everyone got what they wanted and happily ever after. But the Simpsons is definitely not that. -
And I really disagree with you on unresolved notes only ending badly.
When futurama was cancelled and they used "The Devil's Hands are Idle Playthings" (I think that's what the episode is called, the one where Fry gets the robot devil's hands) as the closing episode the brilliance was in the fact they hinted at the possible advance of Fry and Leela's romance, but didn't put it out there as an obvious resolution.
That's not a cliffhanger ending. In fact, it was a proper resolution. (That they had more episodes later and have gone that route THREE TIMES now is besides the point.)
Open ended isn't the same as "Oh no the villain has taken over the city and the heroes are all going to die and everything is screwed and … TO BE CONTINUED...NEVER!"
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@RobbyBevard:
(I'm looking at you, Reboot, War Planets, Sonic SatAM, Pirates of Dark Water, Samurai Jack, Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors, Family Matters, etc.)
Don't forget Stroker and Hoop!
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…....I'll be quiet.
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Don't forget Stroker and Hoop!
How did that end?
Family matters was espcially bad, as they finally dragged Urkel and Laura together as an official couple in like, the last 5 episodes, set up a wedding, and then… decided to do an astronaut thing instead of just marrying the two. Granted the show had been terrible for years at that point, (and the actress that played Harriet left like 10 episodes before the end) but still. They were all set to go for a proper finale, and held it off for that follow up they were SURE they were gonna have...
Nope. Its never a good idea. Don't drop horrific cliffhangers you can't follow up on.
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If a cliffhanger to the Simpsons is made, it can easily be followed up by a second film and seeing as the executives at fox are money hungry bastards they can easily see the second film promoted as the ''conclusion of the longest running sitcom show'' as a big earner for them. Unlike Samurai Jack the Simpsons have mainstream popularity that can warrant a box office smash hit. The first film was successful enough to warrant a sequel. which leaves open for the the second film to be made, and be the ''real series finale''.
Edit: Though I will give Robby some points, this current dispute could strain the relationship between fox and the actors which might provide the barrier to making a finale movie. .
Robby has a point there. But the real series finale should still be the movie.
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It took them 21 years to get a first movie, when the height of their popularity was 15 years ago. Why would a second be any easier?
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@RobbyBevard:
It took them 21 years to get a first movie, when the height of their popularity was 15 years ago. Why would a second be any easier?
One of the core reasons why it took them so long was the stress of doing a tv show that took like 9 or 12 months to make, with production of the series coming to a halt thus allows time for a film to be made.
The real issue is whether this dispute will strain the relationship with the actors , which most likely it will.
That and if fox just wants to make profit off the series on only reruns, dvd's and merchandising alone.I prefer this series conclude on the big screen, than on the small screen.
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bill, i think we totally understand where your coming from. and your right. that would be cool. we're just not sure it's gonna happen, and it sucks more to stall the story leaving all those answers out there and not resolving them. they can still do a good movie if it comes about.
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I just want a decent farewell. That's all. It could 3 minutes of everyone in Springfeild waving and thanking the audience for their long years of view ship and that alone would be enough. It doesn't need anything grand like a movie or an overly drawn out and sad musical(not that I would mind seeing that).
Edit: Also.. About the Samuria Jack movie. Is it really happening or is it another case of Duke Nukem Forever?
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I' m not saying that its needed, I'm just saying it'd be more awesome for the second movie to be the finale of the series
But seeing as this series might continue even after Groening kicks bucket, then so be it.
But this series has ran its course, with nearly 500 eps and coming, I mean sure its not as long as Detective Conan which as 600 eps or more, but man… there's not much you do with it IMO.
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Haha. Well, I wasn't speaking out against the idea Bill. Just saying what I'd rather be satisfied with.
It's still saddening to see it go. While series had been declining, Springfield still undoubtedly has endless possibilities for plots. With some good writers aboard, there's a ton of source material to make something interesting that can last a long time. Numerous characters. Numerous perps. Numerous places that can miraculously change its location over the course of multiple episodes. When I look at other shows like The Simpsons(aside from Futurama), they don't have as much diversity that sticks together and works. It's too bad.
I wonder if Seth is smoking his cigars in glee now.
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Did you see the link I posted? The series is continuing….. much to my dismay.
Oh well, maybe next time.
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Wow. Sorry. I missed that. Good or bad news I guess.
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Edit: Also.. About the Samuria Jack movie. Is it really happening or is it another case of Duke Nukem Forever?
It'll come one day!
Well the only known progress of that movie is that its in pre-production…... as of 09.
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@RobbyBevard:
That's not a cliffhanger ending. In fact, it was a proper resolution. (That they had more episodes later and have gone that route THREE TIMES now is besides the point.)
Open ended isn't the same as "Oh no the villain has taken over the city and the heroes are all going to die and everything is screwed and … TO BE CONTINUED...NEVER!"
Ah, sorry, my misunderstanding. I assumed that by proper resolution you meant "and they lived happily ever after" and such tropes. But I don't think you should worry, with the simpsons being so episodic I don't think they'd ever have a "who shot mr. burns, part 1"-like episode as the series finale.
Sad to see Fox will still be milking this goat. I want my heartfelt conclusion, dammit! It's like they're dragging the corpse of a brilliant show because it still gets some laughs. Maybe next year …
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I do think The Simpsons is due to end soon. But it should be allowed to end on its own terms (25 complete seasons and a second movie, if you ask me), not due to abrupt bureaucratic cancellation. It at least deserves that much.
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know what might make a neat spin off; a show called "springfield" where it shows antics from everyone BUT the simpsons. yes i know they've done episodes like that here and there, but to have a whole series dedicated to it might be interesting.
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The Lenny Show.
I'll dig it.
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Far as that unresolved ending business goes, hell, even when a series does get a movie, that doesn't necessarily mean that the loose ends will be tied up. Look at Teen Titans.
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