If a SH wants to learn Haki, they'll learn it eventually. Especially if they have someone whose has expertise in it training them.
General 'Haki' Discussion
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That is ridiculous. Haki lets you power-up your attacks but how can you say powered up projectiles are more powerful than plants of varying use? That is an extremely narrow view of one powers capabilities over another. For people like Yassop, Ben Beckman, and Van Auger who use guns and are/will be extremely adept at Haki use of CoA powers them up immensely. Ussop will never reach Ben Beckmans level of haki mastery or his father's deadly sniping skills so Oda gave him an alternative in pop greens. They boost his offense, defense, and even the ability to support the SH and cripple foes and fit his style as an unorthodox and versatile fighter. Not a deadly efficient sniper. While this was seen as his greatest strength it was never really the focus of his character or was was tested in his battles.
Conjuring Hurricanes, Tornadoes, Blizzards, and who knows else is less powerful than powering up physical attacks? That is wrong on so many levels. You're saying that a Black Mage is weaker than a warrior.
It makes it highly unlikely because tech is his skill. You're severely underestimating how difficult it is to actually manifest Haki. Kuja warriors are born into culture where its common practice and are trained in it since birth. The real reason the M.trio have and will manifest it because they have been training as warriors all their lives. The other SH are skilled combatants but other skills take precedence over becoming the greatest warrior possible. Cutty Flam was no slouch so I think its safe to say he'd be a super-human if he focused on improving his combat skills over his his engineering skills. Same goes for all shipwrights(to a lesser degree) since they split their time between ships and beating up on pirates. Haki becomes far harder to manifest when the majority of your life was spent going down another path. Its just like Rayleigh's comment on leaning towards one color over another. Same is true of other skills. More you focus on a particular craft the less skilled you will be in others. Franky is primarily an engineer who uses those skills augment his power making up for his lack of combat training.
Franky will do that by becoming the best in his craft as he possibly can. You keep imagining some limitation to other powers as if controlling weather or being a cyborg plateaus at some point and you have to master another skill to improve. Its not the same as Luffy's DF or being a Martial artist like Sanji where Haki is the obvious upgrade. Only limitations for Nami, Franky, and Ussop is Oda's imagination.
Now you're speaking stupidities. There are less than a dozen logias on the entire planet. Franky and most fighters do not care about making sure dealing with those handful of fighters is within their capabilities. If their powers can get them through 99.9999% of their ordeals then that is great. He doesn't need seastone anything as he will never be expected to take on an Admiral and Haki is unneeded if a logia has an easily exploitable weakness like Croc, Ace, or Caribou(extreme heat or cold).
So you want Haki instead of characters with other expertise using their skills in creative ways to get through intense situations?
Haki wouldn't allow Jinbe to do anything Vista and Marco couldn't do to Akainu.
Bingo! I completely agree with everything you said here. I have to agree with Uroge about the ability of the crew to learn haki if they wanted but you are completely right about why most of them won't.
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No, you're making just as much assumption as anyone else.
You adamantly believe that is the only explanation, but Rayleigh didn't say that.
It could just as well mean that those people who failed in their life simply never had a proper tutelage on how to awaken it.As both Amazon Lily amazons and the Marine HQ has proven, it CAN be trained under the right training.
Yes I agree, it's not talent that's needed to awaken Haki.
Idk why, but no one has brought up this quote and it seems like the key to unlock haki. "The act of not doubting. That is strength!!!"The Kuja learn haki easily because they learn than anyone can get it, so there is no doubt in their heads that they will get it too.
However, the people who train all their life, have a doubt in there head, that no matter how hard they try, they may never acquire it.
Luffy was able to learn fast because he has confidence.
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So far every crew member of luffy's is unique. zoro- only 3 sword style, nami- using weather as a weapon, manssop- pulp greens, brook-…...his a skeleton...
the point im trying to get across here is that if every one on the crew was to learn haki they would all lose some of what makes them unique.also why go through all that time training at gain basic control of haki, when in that same time they could make improvements in their own styles that would be just as good if not better?
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JonesDKing, you're wrongfully interpreting Rayleighs comment about "people not being able to awaken haki despite trying"; your interpreting it as "some people lack the genetics needed to awaken it" and in that case, yes, it would have been improbable for them all to have the genes required to awaken haki. Although this is not what Rayleigh says, nor do you have any idea who he's referring to when he says 'most'; by all definitions, the strawhats are NOT like 'most' people.
The reason people may try to awaken it but fail could be many, but it seems far-fetched to blame it on some kind of genetic advantage or a talent you're born with (this would make it hard to explain the Kuja for instance); rather it seems like it is hard for entirely different reasons, and whatever those reasons may be, it can be trained, either by proper tutoring or by being 'exceptional' in some sense, having high willpower for instance. And you said earlier that willpower does not relate to haki. I don't have any solid proof that this is the case, but there are certainly more things speaking in favor of willpower being related to haki, than against. As someone quoted: "The act of not doubting", willpower certainly does relate to not doubting. Again, the SHs are exceptional people, and already had, or by now have acquired substantial willpower and the ambition required to develop haki.
Does this mean ALL strawhats will develop haki? We don't know yet. But they certainly all have the potential to awaken it.
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Genetics doesn't determine Haki. Haki determines genetics. :ninja:
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So far every crew member of luffy's is unique. zoro- only 3 sword style, nami- using weather as a weapon, manssop- pulp greens, brook-…...his a skeleton...
the point im trying to get across here is that if every one on the crew was to learn haki they would all lose some of what makes them unique.also why go through all that time training at gain basic control of haki, when in that same time they could make improvements in their own styles that would be just as good if not better?
I don't get how haki would take away what makes them unique. Haki seems more like a extra stat like speed and strength, more so than a fighting style or technique. …At least when looking forward.
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I don't know if this has been mentioned before but i have a theory on why luffy's skin turn black every time he uses
haki, rayleigh said that armament's haki is used for touching loga users and making them solid and hardening weaponsbut you can't harden an actual body but thinking about it luffy's body is made of rubber and he actually says hardening
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Maybe haki works in conjunction with certain devil fruits in a unique way! Luffy's vulcanization effect made me think that busoshoku haki is the method Whitebeard used to produce those bubble looking quake attacks he was wrapping around his hand or his bisento (a vibration enclosed inside a haki wrapping of sorts)!
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I don't know if this has been mentioned before but i have a theory on why luffy's skin turn black every time he uses
haki, rayleigh said that armament's haki is used for touching loga users and making them solid and hardening weaponsbut you can't harden an actual body but thinking about it luffy's body is made of rubber and he actually says hardening
in the ability he uses.I agree completely.I posted a similar theory to this earlier.Here it is-According to Rayligh you can do 2 main things with CoA haki.
1.create an invisible armor around your body.The Armor protects the body and can be used as weapon against others
2.Harden objects.A good example is the Kuja arrows.
Normally the Hardening ability can only be used on objects not on ones body flesh but Luffy is different-he doesnt have body flesh hes made of Rubber.So he can use hardening on his own body unlike other Haki users.The hardening effect causes the blackening.
My guess is that everytimeLuffy wishes to utilize haki attacks and defense he will activate hardening and the invisible armor around his body-This combination allows Luffy to unleash haki attack/defense that are as powerful as Haki master-(despite the fact Luffy isnt one) -
I just wanted to point out to whoever said that Fishman Karate won't work on Logias forgot about Jinbe Vs Ace.
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I don't know if this has been mentioned before but i have a theory… (that Luffy uses) hardening
in the ability he uses.I agree completely.I posted a similar theory to this earlier…
This is good thinking of course, but the theory has been around since the first time Luffy used it, against the Kraken. The name for this sort of hardening of rubber is "Vulcanization." When you see people mention that or a version of it, they are talking about the hardening effect Luffy uses now.
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I just wanted to point out to whoever said that Fishman Karate won't work on Logias forgot about Jinbe Vs Ace.
But… you'd have to take into consideration that one of Ace's weaknesses must be water, right? So not sure that you can say that fight proved anything about FM Karate against logias, really. Its at the least debatable.
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People have been speculating that Luffy was going to use Vulcanization since ages ago way before Haki was even explained or talked about.
Also, Jinbe somehow was able to stop Akainu's magma punches. Not sure how, but as far as we know Jinbe doesn't use haki.
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People have been speculating that Luffy was going to use Vulcanization since ages ago way before Haki was even explained or talked about.
Also, Jinbe somehow was able to stop Akainu's magma punches. Not sure how, but as far as we know Jinbe doesn't use haki.
Haki isn't always needed to actually stop Akainu. Jinbe just has a good deal of physical strength, although he got badly burned in the process. Another reason could have to do with Fishman Karate, since the martial art consists of water control, both internal and external.
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What do you mean? He grabbed it with his hand and his arm caught on fire. Nothing special he just withstood the pain.
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Yeah, that could be true, but Akainu still managed to burn THROUGH Ace, who was a Logia user, whereas Jinbei is simply a fishman.
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the magma should have melted jinbe's hand, i remember a palle in which akainu was attacking some pirates and you could see their swords melting, I don't think jinbe's hand is more heat resistant than metal.
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Argument like that don't work in OP. Fodder get hit by attacks that should make them splatter into little chunks and people get cut by swords that split buildings, stone, and metal like paper. Though a shark should be more resistant to heat anyway having such thick skin.
Yeah, that could be true, but Akainu still managed to burn THROUGH Ace, who was a Logia user, whereas Jinbei is simply a fishman.
Akainu burned a flesh and blood human both times he hit Ace. He has no resistance to heat once his flames are smothered.
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Akainu burned a flesh and blood human both times he hit Ace. He has no resistance to heat once his flames are smothered.
True, i forgot about that.
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What do you mean? He grabbed it with his hand and his arm caught on fire. Nothing special he just withstood the pain.
As people have said the magma should have gone through his hands just as it did with whitebeards face. Why are Jinbe's hands so special? As I said we don't know if he has haki but whatever technique he uses it's good enough to withstand akainus attacks.
If I had to take a gander it has to do with fishman karate and his control over water in the human body.
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The point I'm trying to make is that there is more than one way to deal with logias that doesn't involve their natural weakness. Jinbe is a good example of this since he has proven to be able to deal with two different powerful logia user who don't have any apparent weaknesses.
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There are several reasons it didn't go through his hand:
- Jimbei applied force the other way using his immense physical strength, Whitebeard was not with his face and nor did Ace,
- Akainu wasn't putting in 100% effort,
- Jimbei likely has extraordinarily tough skin as Ryuks talked about, and he's just an incredibly physically tough person in general.
Of course FK could also be involved somehow, but these reasons are enough.
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As people have said the magma should have gone through his hands just as it did with whitebeards face. Why are Jinbe's hands so special? As I said we don't know if he has haki but whatever technique he uses it's good enough to withstand akainus attacks.
If I had to take a gander it has to do with fishman karate and his control over water in the human body.
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The point I'm trying to make is that there is more than one way to deal with logias that doesn't involve their natural weakness. Jinbe is a good example of this since he has proven to be able to deal with two different powerful logia user who don't have any apparent weaknesses.
Akainu used the Hound move to rip off WB's face not a punch. Whitebeard and Garp could probably do the same thing Jinbei did.
Water has been fire's weakness since the beginning of time in fictional stories. Sometimes equal if the fighters are equal(Jinbei&Ace, Hotaru&Shinrei).
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Didn't jinbe say that FK could control the water in your body and in the air??? if so couldn't he stop himself from melting by forcing large amounts of water from the air and his body into his arms?
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Putting water into an arm wouldn't stop lava from doing that. I mean we saw Ivankov and Inazuma covered by Sakazuki's magma when he dealt with them and they were shown no worse for the wear. Same with that division commander magmaman had pinned underneath him. Jinbe just took the hit is all and Oda didn't want him to have lost an arm over it.
As for the whole Ace thing: we were told in an SBS that while being submerged in water is the general weakness of all Power Users, simply being splashed by it was a weakness that only Crocodile actually has. So I dunno if it could be seen as the same for Ace or like rubber with Ener.
However, the way Jinbe described Fishman Karate's basis lying in the manipulation of water no matter where it may be located still leaves room for it to have been effective against Ace even though he was a logia without Ambition being involved. Since even though he may have been permanently changed into a fireman, there's still a functional body overall; like Luffy still has functioning organs despite being a rubberman. So even though the Mera Fruit granted that permanent change, Ace obviously still has eyes, mouth, stomach, etc. so his "body" still has water that Fishman Karate should be able to manipulate the same as it was done with Luffy.
Then again this sort of takes away the whole importance of the Armament Aspect, but not fully since only merpeople and fishmen are capable of doing it. I guess it depends if the answer was given on the SBS was worded the way it was because the question explicitly referred to Crocodile or no.
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If only Oda had said: "he used haki goddamit! stupid readers!", all discussion would be over…
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I'm very amused from the vulcanisation discussion that takes place in the chapter discussion.
But I'm rather interested if there is a general consesus that
A. Luffy imbues himself with Haki rather than "wearing it as armor"
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I'm very amused from the vulcanisation discussion that takes place in the chapter discussion.
But I'm rather interested if there is a general consesus that
A. Luffy imbues himself with Haki rather than "wearing it as armor"
and B. He is only able to do so because his body is essentially rubber and thus in some way an object that can be imbued.Margaret pretty much told us straight up that anything can be imbued with haki. But there's really not visual representation of such a thing. What Luffy does isn't so simple.
Luffy turning himself black is a technique he made up that utilizes haki as a power source, and that comes from the fight with Surume (chapter 605). It's not just haki, itself. As far as I can tell, it's a technique that's specific to rubber, though that can't be absolutely proven. It could also be a technique that's usable on other things, but turning black is simply the result of applying it to rubber, while applying it to normal human flesh may do something else.
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Margaret pretty much told us straight up that anything can be imbued with haki. But there's really not visual representation of such a thing. What Luffy does isn't so simple.
Luffy turning himself black is a technique he made up that utilizes haki as a power source, and that comes from the fight with Surume (chapter 605). It's not just haki, itself. As far as I can tell, it's a technique that's specific to rubber, though that can't be absolutely proven. It could also be a technique that's usable on other things, but turning black is simply the result of applying it to rubber, while applying it to normal human flesh may do something else.
Ah I see it seemed I had a incorrect translation because i remember that it statet that only objects can be imbued. There was one instance where Sengoku was all black when he turned into a buddha, although that was probably only shading, still throwing it in here maybe its food for some thought
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I was looking back at the Sengoku turning into the buddha. Sengoku is shaded black, but he lacks that shine that Luffy has. Sengoku is the best example that dark shading doesn't necessarily mean Luffy is turning "black".
But this also assumes Sengoku is using Color of Armament when using turning into buddha.
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Ah I see it seemed I had a incorrect translation because i remember that it statet that only objects can be imbued. There was one instance where Sengoku was all black when he turned into a buddha, although that was probably only shading, still throwing it in here maybe its food for some thought
I'm not totally sure about that translation, tbh. However, we've seen people imbue themselves with armor haki plain as day, such as Rayleigh (against Kizaru) and Boa Mariegold.
Sengoku actually turned gold, but in a black and white manga it looked black. And that's just how his fruit works.
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I'm not totally sure about that translation, tbh. However, we've seen people imbue themselves with armor haki plain as day, such as Rayleigh (against Kizaru) and Boa Mariegold.
Sengoku actually turned gold, but in a black and white manga it looked black. And that's just how his fruit works.
well that's the question if they are imbueing themselves, i always had the impression that mariegold wore her haki as armor hence repelling luffy.
I'm not sure about rayleigh though if he kicked away kizaru foot or parried it.
Of course "does it make a difference?" is another question alltogether.I currently believe it does. If Shanks had imbued his sword if probably would have melted, so I'm going by the assumption that he wore his haki over his sword like an armor to fend of akainus magma.
But yeah we still lack a lot of informations about the workings of haki.
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well that's the question if they are imbueing themselves, i always had the impression that mariegold wore her haki as armor hence repelling luffy.
I'm not sure about rayleigh though if he kicked away kizaru foot or parried it.
Of course "does it make a difference?" is another question alltogether.I currently believe it does. If Shanks had imbued his sword if probably would have melted, so I'm going by the assumption that he wore his haki over his sword like an armor to fend of akainus magma.
But yeah we still lack a lot of informations about the workings of haki.
Whatever the kuja warriors did to their arrows, call it whatever you want. That's what everyone else has done.
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The AL warriors imbue Haki into their arrows to make them stronger by a "hardening" principle (Luffy: "Are those arrows made out of steel!?"). Luffy imbues Haki into his body to make it stronger by a hardening principle. Is there any particular reason these need to be two different things, rather than the same technique simply working that way on rubber? I've said it before, but to me it would feel redundant and a bit unnecessary if Luffy has two techniques that just do the same thing i.e. "physical attack up", but we can only ever tell when one is being used and not the other. Wouldn't it make more sense for it to simply be one technique, and Oda has the easy visual cue of his limbs turning black when he uses it? There has been so much confusion as to whether Luffy really used Haki or not and it'd be real nice to have a clear-cut cue to let us know. And I also think it would feel really excessive for Luffy to have not one (snapback), not two (G2), not three (Haki) but FOUR (hardening) power-ups to his attacks. Enough already, damn it.
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The AL warriors imbue Haki into their arrows to make them stronger by a "hardening" principle (Luffy: "Are those arrows made out of steel!?"). Luffy imbues Haki into his body to make it stronger by a hardening principle. Is there any particular reason these need to be two different things, rather than the same technique simply working that way on rubber? I've said it before, but to me it would feel redundant and a bit unnecessary if Luffy has two techniques that just do the same thing i.e. "physical attack up", but we can only ever tell when one is being used and not the other. Wouldn't it make more sense for it to simply be one technique, and Oda has the easy visual cue of his limbs turning black when he uses it? There has been so much confusion as to whether Luffy really used Haki or not and it'd be real nice to have a clear-cut cue to let us know. And I also think it would feel really excessive for Luffy to have not one (snapback), not two (G2), not three (Haki) but FOUR (hardening) power-ups to his attacks. Enough already, damn it.
dont get me wrong what luffy does and what the kuja do to their arrows is what i believe is the same thing.
I made the distinction between what luffy does and what rayleigh did when he flicked luffys forehead. Which I believe is the way mariegold and sentoumaru specifically have used their haki. -
The AL warriors imbue Haki into their arrows to make them stronger by a "hardening" principle (Luffy: "Are those arrows made out of steel!?"). Luffy imbues Haki into his body to make it stronger by a hardening principle. Is there any particular reason these need to be two different things, rather than the same technique simply working that way on rubber? I've said it before, but to me it would feel redundant and a bit unnecessary if Luffy has two techniques that just do the same thing i.e. "physical attack up", but we can only ever tell when one is being used and not the other. Wouldn't it make more sense for it to simply be one technique, and Oda has the easy visual cue of his limbs turning black when he uses it? There has been so much confusion as to whether Luffy really used Haki or not and it'd be real nice to have a clear-cut cue to let us know. And I also think it would feel really excessive for Luffy to have not one (snapback), not two (G2), not three (Haki) but FOUR (hardening) power-ups to his attacks. Enough already, damn it.
Well, I'm sorry if you don't like it, but you're letting that fact blind you. Other than Luffy's confused and totally clueless line on the matter, there's no reason to assume that imbuing something with haki simply makes it harder. Arrows have arrowheads anyways.
Besides, Luffy used armor haki during Sabaody part 2 and there was absolutely no sign of his arm turning black anywhere. And we got a closeup of it before he attacked. The black, and the attack name (which included the word for armor haki, along with a subset of it specific to his application) came later. If it's just what happened when he used armor haki, there'd be absolutely no reason to have such a long and specific name for the technique.
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Well, I'm sorry if you don't like it, but you're letting that fact blind you. Other than Luffy's confused and totally clueless line on the matter, there's no reason to assume that imbuing something with haki simply makes it harder. Arrows have arrowheads anyways.
Besides, Luffy used armor haki during Sabaody part 2 and there was absolutely no sign of his arm turning black anywhere. And we got a closeup of it before he attacked. The black, and the attack name (which included the word for armor haki, along with a subset of it specific to his application) came later. If it's just what happened when he used armor haki, there'd be absolutely no reason to have such a long and specific name for the technique.
Actually, did Luffys arm turn black when he one shot the pacifista? If not that would be one more indication that there is a distinction between imbueing and wearing armor haki. If there is, busoushoku could be a lot more diverse than initially believed.
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Wearing armor and hardening you're body(specifically Rubber) are two different things. Though I don't think the Pacifista scene is really proof of two different Haki variations. Scene was used to show us Luffy can use G2 on specific limbs. No idea how fast he can imbue himself. Could have been a black fist smacking the PX.
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Other than Luffy's confused and totally clueless line on the matter, there's no reason to assume that imbuing something with haki simply makes it harder
What is the way Oda conceptualizes Haki again? As an "armor", an armor that makes your attacks stronger because naturally, the harder the armor the stronger the attack, e.g. Luffy's Champion Rifle or when he used Mr. 3's hardened wax on his hands to break his defenses and the giant spinning thing. Of course the concept is then exaggerated, but Luffy's statement seems to indicate how we are supposed to view it.
I see two different ways of using CoA. One is "internal" i.e. putting it "into" your body, or into objects or weapons e.g. the Kuja's arrows, and the other is "external" meaning using it like a shield as we've seen Sentoumaru, Marigold, Rayleigh and Admirals do. Rayleigh shows the first when he flicks Luffy with his finger and the 2nd when he blocks the attack of the elephant.
Besides, Luffy used armor haki during Sabaody part 2 and there was absolutely no sign of his arm turning black anywhere.
Which could easily be because Oda wasn't revealing it to us at the time and was putting focus on localized G2.
If you don't believe they are the same aren't there going to be problems telling when it's used and when it isn't? Is someone going to constantly exclaim "He used Haki!" each time he uses it the "other way"? Getting a visual cue is the best thing that could happen, but if you're right then it was more or less meaningless.
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Actually, did Luffys arm turn black when he one shot the pacifista?
There is absolutely no indication to suggest that it did.
If not that would be one more indication that there is a distinction between imbueing and wearing armor haki. If there is, busoushoku could be a lot more diverse than initially believed.
Or it could just be an indication that Luffy has a technique based on haki that turns a portion of his body hard and black.
What is the way Oda conceptualizes Haki again? As an "armor", an armor that makes your attacks stronger because naturally, the harder the armor the stronger the attack, e.g. Luffy's Champion Rifle or when he used Mr. 3's hardened wax on his hands to break his defenses and the giant spinning thing. Of course the concept is then exaggerated, but Luffy's statement seems to indicate how we are supposed to view it.
I see two different ways of using CoA. One is "internal" i.e. putting it "into" your body, or into objects or weapons e.g. the Kuja's arrows, and the other is "external" meaning using it like a shield as we've seen Sentoumaru, Marigold, Rayleigh and Admirals do. Rayleigh shows the first when he flicks Luffy with his finger and the 2nd when he blocks the attack of the elephant.
If you want to argue that. I'm not aware of any armor known to man that you put "into" your body.
And "armor" in a general sense isn't supposed to be "hard" but rather it's supposed to be "tough." That's why there's armor made out of material like leather and kevlar.
Which could easily be because Oda wasn't revealing it to us at the time and was putting focus on localized G2.
If you don't believe they are the same aren't there going to be problems telling when it's used and when it isn't? Is someone going to constantly exclaim "He used Haki!" each time he uses it the "other way"? Getting a visual cue is the best thing that could happen, but if you're right then it was more or less meaningless.
You're like completely ignoring the name portion of this argument. Against the kraken Luffy said "Busoshoku (color of armaments): Vulcanization." What's the point of the 2nd part/subset if it's just what naturally happens when he uses haki? I don't get the logic there. Manga dialog is usually more concise than anything.
Listen, I don't think Luffy will be using armor haki without using this technique much, if at all. The visual cue is important, and from what I can see Oda has absolutely no reason to abandon it unless he wishes to be intentionally ambiguous. But having it as a technique outside of normal haki provides him with utility, and if he didn't want it that way I don't believe he'd use such a long and tedious attack name as "gear 3, busoshoku, vulcanization, elephant gun." It stands to reason that every part of that has a purpose.
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Luffy says busoshoku haki as part of his named attacks. So Oda doesnt really need a visual cue since Luffy is telling us he's adding haki to that particular attack. It's turning black since Luffy is using CoA haki to make a effect similar to vulcanization.
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He hasn't stated "busoshoku" every time his attack/defense caused his skin to blacken. Just look at the last chapter.
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Oda just has too establish that he is doing that. So his first attack he stated busoshoku. Then every attack after that was unnamed. Then the scene ended with Luffy commented that he's a tank. He still got up after I used busuahoku. That whole scene could've took place without the black body parts.
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Oda just has too establish that he is doing that. So his first attack he stated busoshoku. Then every attack after that was unnamed. Then the scene ended with Luffy commented that he's a tank. He still got up after I used busuahoku. That whole scene could've took place without the black body parts.
While true, it would leave us without knowing how to distinguish, in the future, whether or not haki was being used. I still think this "black thing" on Luffy is meant as a visual representation to us readers and Nami, for example, wouldn't know if Luffy is using haki or not unless someone tells her.
My reasoning is in this post: http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=33852&p=2384892&viewfull=1#post2384892 .
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I dont really agree with the whole its just a haki visual represtative thing since only Luffy so far has been shown to change his color when he uses CoA. If Oda wanted to make a visual cue for haki usage he would've done it when Rayleigh did the CoA finger flick to Luffy when explaining CoA or had a earlier haki user use CoA on whatever and that imbued object or part with CoA will change color. So far the black is only used for Luffy so it looks like it's a Luffy exclusive CoA haki ability due to vulcanization.
As for Nami, that kinda stuff can be explained off panel and she know'll what it is. It's like when Luffy used Gears in Ennis Lobby, the crew already knew how taxing it was on Luffy's body when he starting stacking Gears during the Moria fight.
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I dont really agree with the whole its just a haki visual represtative thing since only Luffy so far has been shown to change his color when he uses CoA. If Oda wanted to make a visual cue for haki usage he would've done it when Rayleigh did the CoA finger flick to Luffy when explaining CoA or had a earlier haki user use CoA on whatever and that imbued object or part with CoA will change color. So far the black is only used for Luffy so it looks like it's a Luffy exclusive CoA haki ability due to vulcanization.
As for Nami, that kinda stuff can be explained off panel and she know'll what it is. It's like when Luffy used Gears in Ennis Lobby, the crew already knew how taxing it was on Luffy's body when he starting stacking Gears during the Moria fight.
You're missing the point: in the New World, many pirates will be using Haki. Without some sort of visual representation, how are we supposed to know if haki is being used or not?
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Haki naming attacks, characters in the know saying haki is being used, or reader experience. By this point, readers should know what a CoC haki burst looks like, what a open palm facing out is supposed to do or mantra usage. Oda can go the visual color change route for CoA if he wants to but so far pre-timeskip he didnt find the need to.
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Haki naming attacks
Not all characters name their attacks.
characters in the know saying haki is being used
I would find this incredibly boring and repetitive if every fight we're greeted with "OMG they're reinforcing their attacks with HAKI!!1!"
or reader experience. By this point, readers should know what a CoC haki burst looks like or mantra.
Agree'd, but the issue here isn't with CoC or precog Haki. Unless the turning black becomes a thing for all characters CoA lacks a discernible trait(other than Nullifying DF powers of course, but that doesn't help in fights with non DF users.)
Oda can go the visual route if he wants to but so far pretimeskip he didnt find the need to.
Pretimeskip CoA was only used to fight logia's or to nullify other DF powers, both times it's obvious Haki is being used.
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Pretimeskip CoA was only used to fight logia's or to nullify other DF powers, both times it's obvious Haki is being used.
You forgot the palm thing and the haki arrows as pretimeskip CoA. None of those examples used a visual color change cue. Hell, even during the war where there should be really experienced haki users there and we know haki was being used I dont remember any body parts or weapons turning black. Only Luffy so far. Why is that? Easy answer is it's a Luffy exclusive ability due to him using vulcanization.. Unless we start seeing more characters have color change cues I'm going to stick with my arguement. Would be kinda dumb to have a visual color change cue for CoA but Oda only applies it to Luffy.
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From what I understand, CoA can be used in two different ways:
1 - Invisible armor that can be used for defense and/or to hit DF users (i. e. Sentomaru's Ashigara Dokkoi).
2 - Power up attacks (i. e. Luffy's hardening, Kuja's arrows, etc).That would mean Luffy hasn't used the "invisible armor" yet.
Is this correct?
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To those who are saying the blackening is just a visual clue.I tell you there are many better ways to do a visual clue-This isnt one of them.
Here is an example of Oda giving us a visual clue.[spioler][/spioler]You can actually see the CoA haki around Rayleighs hand.Another example of a visual clue is in Naruto-when Naruto is gathering Sage chakra- here[spioler]
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You can clearly see in those cases those are visual clues.On the other hand-the hand blackening looks like actual hand blackening.
