What I believe is that he's still worrying about the welfare of Robin, who at the point of his speech innocent.
Chapter 395 "Ohara vs. the World Government" Discussion
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@Octogon:
**People have probaley thought this up already, but..
I think that the "D's" might be survivers of this lost kingdom. Perhaps royalty? People that only now are starting to revolt against the desendents of the group of people that brought upon their ansestors doom. Of course the D's them sleves probaley don't know this, as over time they have probaley seperated to all over the world. This would explain why even though they were D's Blackbeard and luffy didn't know each other at all. I'm also thinking that the name of this past Kingdom is the same as to that the letter D stands for. And Gold Roger found out about this, and even to this day had supporters ready to perodiclly overthrow the WG. Fate would bring them all to eventually in some way or another to overthrow the WG.
Just a theory. :wacko:**
so you are saying that Blackbeard pirates, Ace (whitebeard) and Luffy(strawhats) will join up and trash the world government ?
I am imagining of battle royale blackbeard, ace and luffy vs the 3 admirals and whitebeard vs sengoku lol
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I agree. Clover even said that everyone has a right to know the truth so he would actually act heroic with yelling the rest out even if he dies.
Yokai put it well. In my POL 4 class, we went into an in-depth discussion over perceptions; people know that they are going to die one day, but they fear "sudden" death, or an "incoming" death more. This is how people are able to operate without being in constant fear of dying when they're seventy five.
As of right now, Clover knows he's going to die, but the actual significance of such has not really set in yet. Why protect Robin if she is going to die anyway? Why are the archeologists and the other O'hara people not panicking? There are a bunch of guys with guns and a couple CP9 agents (who have powers that are, as of right now, still hidden), but there's still more O'hara folk than Marines. They have a natural right to protect themselves (dictated by Hobbes), so what justifies willingly allowing the government to execute them?
The ony explaination I can think of is that Clover doesn't really think the end has come for him. The gravity of the situation has not sunk in yet.
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I have a feeling that the whole story of one piece is beginning to sound abit like Disney's Atlantis story…I mean no resemberence but it has its links...I mean the "old Kingdom" could have created the most feared weapons i.e Pluton & Poseidon (god knows how many more there are) but this could also be the reason why they were eradicated (they became too proud of themselves, but instead of god punishing them, they were eradicated by their own kind) . Think of it this way, turn the tables around and hear my theory:
The WG are good - sure they are the bad ones now, but what if during the time they wipeout the old kingdom, they were like the separatist who wanted to prevent the birth of more malice & destruction. So, in order to do so...they decided to wipeout the republic and keep the knowledge underwraps and preventing them ever reaching outside hands.
Yes, thru Clover's eyes and take on history, the old kingdom were wiped out by the so called WG of today...but what if they were only trying to keep the world safe at that time...and as time changes, so did their morale i.e by wanting the weapons for themselves now. If they really wanted to control the world, why didn't they just unleashed the weapons then? If they had then, now there would never be any pirates or anyone standing in their way. If you are saying they can't read poneaglyphs, i don't think thats the case, if the separatist now have ppl that can read it i.e clover and gang...I bet the republic would have dozens more and of course the republic also have ppl like Spandain & Spandam who could only think of themselves to egg everybody on to think that they need all the power to control others and thats why we have all this struggle today.
So to sum things up, the WG COULD be good at that time...I could be wrong but we haven't hear their side of the story yet...
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Ironic how the girl that didnt want to be alone, is now trying to handle everything by herself.
I wasnt really annoyed at Robin's outburst in Enies Lobby like i know a few others were, but i would so appreciate it if Luffy says something like "You's not alone anymore so quit trying to do everything by yourself". -
**We all know that Spypeins have "wings". It would make sense if skypeai was also originally part of Jaya, which was part of the kingdom. And part of it gets shot up to the sky every X years. That would mean the birth of skypeia was caused by the knock-up stream.
If this holds true, then does that mean dials are part of the tecnology of the kingdom? And that dials can be found in the ruins of the kingdom? (if they still exist)**
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Was it's me or when Spandine shot Clover, the panel is stillhouse and Spandine is standing the same way Arlong standed when he shot Bellemare…..
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Am I the only one who thinks what Clover was going to say was
"The name of this fallen kingdom was … ONE PIECE."?
I mean One Piece was always such a strange name to call a treasure,
may it be a mountain of gold, some thing of great importance to the word
or just a bunch of ideals which are lost to the world.
But it makes perfect sense if One Piece is just the name of the ancient Kingdom.
The greatest treasure of mankind, greater then the Tree of Knowledge.
Just as Shandora="Skull's right Eye" is the name of the golden city on Jaya.
"One Piece" could be another riddle derived from some hidden speciality\meaning
of the ancient Kingdom.
For example if you write "One Piece" in the ancient language the writings
could look just like all the islands and provinces which were under the rule
and protection of the Kingdom.
Assuming the ancient language and the name One Piece were created at the
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"One Piece" would be the best guess for the kingdome's name. Oda has always hinted at one of OP's greatest mysteries revolving around the naming of Roger's treasure, and since he was such an enlightened man, how better to piss of the government as a last act of defiance?
I think we're poisoned by 4Kids rendition of Roger's speech; good as it is, Oda did not intend things that way.
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The ony explaination I can think of is that Clover doesn't really think the end has come for him. The gravity of the situation has not sunk in yet.
Sorry, but if Clover really thinks he´s not going to die then he is the stupidest moron in all of One Piece. He just witnessed himself that the Gorousei said "Kill him" to Spandain and obviously Spandain will make sure that Clover doesn´t get away alive. So he must know that the end has come for him.
Furthermore, the Gorousei said "Don't let a single person escape alive!!!" shortly afterwards. There´s no doubt that they know of their fate. Olvia even told them that their live is in danger but they chosed to stay because they want to protect history. In this very chapter they are doing exactly that by trying to put out the fire even if it costs their own life. There´s no doubt that they all know the end has come. That´s why they want Robin to get away.
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Read this chapter and although it's awesome and all, I don't get what a Buster Call is.
Is it all the ships bombarding the island? So, just a bombardment of Marine bombs? I expected it to be, well, a huge weapon or something.
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I don t know where to put this (don t find the topic for specualtion on the one piece..)
So what if by "One piece" Oda means The One piece of blank history :o
And all the plot will go around the way to understand this blank time :oI find this more logic than a piece of gold or any treasure :o
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hmm… after reading this chapter, i think that one piece is not a name. maybe, one piece is what if all poneglyphs are found, read and interpreted. Therefore, "one piece" of history is solved and everyone knows what kind of scum is running the WG.
About raftel, i really think that it is the remains of the old kingdom talked by clover. The reason why raftel in unreachable by pirates, is perhaps because a lot of marines are stationed in the area, not wanting people to know about the lost history, and all pirates caught in the area would be caught/killed.
one thing though. a thought occured to me, how did don krieg get out of the grandline after only a week? i thought that once you get in the grandline, you have to sail all the way through to get out? raftel is the final destination of the grand line. so is there another way out besides sailing through the calm belt? hmm... just a thought... sorry in advance in case there is already an explanation out there, i can't remember any...
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Well, if Roger couldn't read the Language, it is possible then that he must have had someone frrom Ohara on His crew. After all, they were the worlds best Archelogists.
Yes, i do believe One Piece is more then treasure, i just meant, that treasure from this Kingdom was part of it.
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@Lighting-Ace:
Well, if Roger couldn't read the Language, it is possible then that he must have had someone frrom Ohara on His crew. After all, they were the worlds best Archelogists.
We still don't know where Robin's dad was in all of this
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one thing though. a thought occured to me, how did don krieg get out of the grandline after only a week? i thought that once you get in the grandline, you have to sail all the way through to get out? raftel is the final destination of the grand line. so is there another way out besides sailing through the calm belt? hmm… just a thought... sorry in advance in case there is already an explanation out there, i can't remember any...
Basically, you have to sail up Reverse mountain, going against the current. I'm assuming this is what the marines do when they're dispatched to any of the Blues. It would be rather annoying to have to sail for 3 months to get out of the Grand Line…
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WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE MYSTERIOUS KINGDOM.
Heh. I wasn't gripped by anything other than Spandine's badassedness, but still a cool chapter. There must be 11 pages of wacky theories. I'll just say that Blackbeard is my guess for Saul's son since he's big as hell. Yeah.
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@Fire Fist:
Basically, you have to sail up Reverse mountain, going against the current. I'm assuming this is what the marines do when they're dispatched to any of the Blues. It would be rather annoying to have to sail for 3 months to get out of the Grand Line…
how can you sail up a steep mountain, with the current going against you? the wind should also be blowing down the mountain too… hmm... nevertheless, it is a valid theory. if the marines could sail pass through the huge gate of justice, which has giant sea kings and windless area, they should be able to pass the calm belt without any trouble.
but how did krieg do it? or red leg zeff even?
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Or Mihawk for that matter.
Here is a Map of Reverse Mountain:
Maybe that might help in some way
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Sorry, but if Clover really thinks he´s not going to die then he is the stupidest moron in all of One Piece. He just witnessed himself that the Gorousei said "Kill him" to Spandain and obviously Spandain will make sure that Clover doesn´t get away alive. So he must know that the end has come for him.
Furthermore, the Gorousei said "Don't let a single person escape alive!!!" shortly afterwards. There´s no doubt that they know of their fate. Olvia even told them that their live is in danger but they chosed to stay because they want to protect history. In this very chapter they are doing exactly that by trying to put out the fire even if it costs their own life. There´s no doubt that they all know the end has come. That´s why they want Robin to get away.
Wow, that's just a little harsh. I imagine it would be a little difficult to get what you want to say out when you've just been shot. Clover, who was so wordy for most of the chapter, only speaks four very short lines once he has the bullet in him, and only then, with a great deal of effort (judging from his "haa, haa").
Yes, we all know it's a plot point, and that's why Clover can't get the rest of his words out. So why do people continue to criticize characters who are constrained from doing X or Y by the plot laid down by Oda long before their existance?
That said, Clover is almost obsessed with getting Robin to escape. Is it because he cares deeply for her? Is it because he wants her to continue their studies in their place? Or is it something entirely different? I wonder…
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Huh? Where was I criticising that he didn´t reveal the name? I was just saying that Clover would be a complete moron if he thinks that his life is not in danger. And I stay by that opinion. If he thinks that his life is not in danger while the Gorousei clearly ordered that he gets killed then he would be a moron!
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so this new person scanlating isnt stealing translations good. Though too bad ots in kinda crappy quailty =/ i miss null or the strawhat scans. tho its the holidays and thats why they are behind
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Spandain's frivolous language ("igo yoroshiku," anyone?) draws him to be a major asshole, but I do think he has some sympathy for the people he's got to dispose of. If you notice, he says and does things that can be heard through the Golden Den Den Mushi, so that the Gorousei believe he's following orders.
For example, when they order him to kill Clover, he shoots him. However, he does not kill him. Clover's silence immediately afterwards only aids in the belief that the man has been shot in killed.
Again, when CP9 is ordered not to let anyone escape, they shout out, "Don't move!" but make no effort to stop them when they run to Clover's side, until the tree catches fire. Then, the archaeologists are ordered yet again, not to move, but when they do, Spandain tells his men to put down their weapons.
Does Spandain have sympathy for the archaeologists? Is the asshole treatment just a facade for the Gorousei? Or am I just reading too deeply into this?
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You´re definitely reading too much into this. We´ve really seen it often enough that people get shot in One Piece only to still be alive afterwards. It´s not like this is the first time a character survived a shot.
Besides, I if Spandain would really not want to kill anybody then he would never have pushed the button of the Golden Den Den Mushi. Not to mention his extatic smile when he was shouting "BUSTER CALL TIME!!!" followed by a the bastardly "Thanks folks."
I think it´s obvious that Spandain is an evil asshole that doesn´t give a shit about the people there.
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I think it's just cause he's a spaz, like his son (IF Spandam is indeed his son). If you notice, he seems delighted to intiate the Buster Call, if only to see his power…
I think Spandain will show up later in One Piece, maybe on Marijoi or as one of the other Admirals. Remember, we Haven't seen Red Dog and Yellow Monkey (But that doesn't make sense, doesn't Sengoku also mean Thousand-Ape or something like that?)
I have a feeling that Yellow Monkey is Luffy's Grandfather, btw. When Kuzan mentioned that he "Dealt" with Luffy's Grandpa, it could be looked at the other way. Perhaps the admirals never all get together except for something really extreme. If you notice, Kuzan is the only Admiral present for the Buster Call, and it was authorized by Sengoku, then a regular admiral. Spandain never refers to him as a Grand Admiral.
Personally, I think that Spandain doesn't have a clue, much like anyone else in the marines and the Gorosei. Only the highest-up - the people that Clover spoke to - know the true history. That could explain why Spandain was surprised when Clover started relaying his theory. The reason he didn't shoot to kill could be that he wanted to find out more about the lost kingdom.
I don't think it's called One Piece, though. One Piece, imho, is the story of that kingdom. To become Kaizoku-ou, I think Roger found all the Poneglyphs in the world and had Olivia or someone else combine them into "One Piece": The Rio Poneglyph. Remember, one man's trash is another man's treasure. Oda put a big emphasis on treasure being more than gold and all that glitters.
Luffy's hat, Boodle's Town, etc.
The Kingdom is probably the kingdom of Dolphin.
Dolphin? How did I get Dolphin? Oda is big on animals. But nowhere - except in the anime opening for the 3rd season, and that doesn't count - do you see dolphins in One Piece.
So, the D means Dolphin, and anyone with the name is tied to the kingdom.
Well, that's my two cents.
Plus, what god has a dolphin as its symbol? Anyone? It's Poseidon.
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You´re definitely reading too much into this. We´ve really seen it often enough that people get shot in One Piece only to still be alive afterwards. It´s not like this is the first time a character survived a shot.
Besides, I if Spandain would really not want to kill anybody then he would never have pushed the button of the Golden Den Den Mushi. Not to mention his extatic smile when he was shouting "BUSTER CALL TIME!!!" followed by a the bastardly "Thanks folks."
I think it´s obvious that Spandain is an evil asshole that doesn´t give a shit about the people there.
You can still have sympathy for people, even if you have to kill them. Spandain could have easily had all the archaeologists shot when they moved, but he didn't. He is allowing to live and die with the hope that they might be able to save their beloved tree and its precious contents.
He shot Clover specifically to "shut him up". Instead of shooting him again and killing him as he was ordered to do, he gave Clover a little longer to live, so he might be able to die alongside his nakama.
@Fire Fist:
Personally, I think that Spandain doesn't have a clue, much like anyone else in the marines and the Gorosei. Only the highest-up - the people that Clover spoke to - know the true history. That could explain why Spandain was surprised when Clover started relaying his theory. The reason he didn't shoot to kill could be that he wanted to find out more about the lost kingdom.
Spandain definitely doesn't have a clue, but if he truly wanted to know about the lost kingdom, surely he would have abducted Clover along with Olvia.
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You can still have sympathy for people, even if you have to kill them. Spandain could have easily had all the archaeologists shot when they moved, but he didn't. He is allowing to live and die with the hope that they might be able to save their beloved tree and its precious contents.
He shot Clover specifically to "shut him up". Instead of shooting him again and killing him as he was ordered to do, he gave Clover a little longer to live, so he might be able to die alongside his nakama.
Oh come on, that´s naive. He´s going to let the guys to be burned alive. How much sympathy is that. If he would have sympathy for them, then he would kill them quickly and finish the job, but no he just cuts off all the possibilities for them to escape and then summons the power that will burn everything on this island. If that is not evil and sardistic then I don´t know what is.
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Oh come on, that´s naive. He´s going to let the guys to be burned alive. How much sympathy is that. If he would have sympathy for them, then he would kill them quickly and finish the job, but no he just cuts off all the possibilities for them to escape and then summons the power that will burn everything on this island. If that is not evil and sardistic then I don´t know what is.
How do you know they're going to be burned alive? It looks to me as though there's going to be a great deal of explosions that will result in an almost instantaneous death.
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How do you know they're going to be burned alive? It looks to me as though there's going to be a great deal of explosions that will result in an almost instantaneous death.
Well it was always said that Ohara was burned down. And actually it doesn´t matter if they are burned or bombed, Spandain was pushing the button that launched the power to kill them. And he was even enjoying it.
There´s no doubt that Spandain is a sardistic bastard if he lets them live to be finished off by that brutal force. Killing them immediately with a clean shot would actually be more merciful then what he did when he pushed the button.
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Well it was always said that Ohara was burned down. And actually it doesn´t matter if they are burned or bombed, Spandain was pushing the button that launched the power to kill them. And he was even enjoying it.
There´s no doubt that Spandain is a sardistic bastard if he lets them live to be finished off by that brutal force. Killing them immediately with a clean shot would actually be more merciful then what he did when he pushed the button.
Where was it said that Ohara was burned down? Quote, please.
There's also a chance that a bullet wouldn't result in an instantaneous death. Look at Clover.
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Where was it said that Ohara was burned down? Quote, please.
Nothing easier then that. It was in chapter 374 when Blueno said that "a Marine Buster Call made in the past completely burned an entire island to the ground, utterly destroying it." There´s even this nice panel with the burning island
There's also a chance that a bullet wouldn't result in an instantaneous death. Look at Clover.
So what you´re saying now? Spandain let Clover live because it was more painful?
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Where was it said that Ohara was burned down? Quote, please.
There's no quote, but if you look at Chapter 391, Page 10, Bottom right panel, it's pretty obvious.
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@Fire Fist:
There's no quote, but if you look at Chapter 391, Page 10, Bottom right panel, it's pretty obvious.
Ahem, check the previous post. There is a quote and an image.
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Explosions usually result in fire, so there's really no point in arguring that. When the All-Knowing Tree was blown up, it naturally burned afterwards.
So what you´re saying now? Spandain let Clover live because it was more painful?
Actually, if you read my post, I believe he let Clover live so that he might die with his nakama.
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Explosions usually result in fire, so there's really no point in arguring that. When the All-Knowing Tree was blown up, it naturally burned afterwards.
Aha. And why did you have to request a quote then if this is such basic logic?
Actually, if you read my post, I believe he let Clover live so that he might die with his nakama.
Where is the difference? You say he is letting him live so that he can die in pain. I don´t see anything merciful here.
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Aha. And why did you have to request a quote then if this is such basic logic?
Please read the PM I sent to you a few minutes ago.
Where is the difference? You say he is letting him live so that he can die in pain. I don´t see anything merciful here.
Who's to say death by explosion isn't instantaneous and painless?
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Please read the PM I sent to you a few minutes ago.
Just replied to it.
Who's to say death by explosion isn't instantaneous and painless?
That´s only the case if it hits you fully. If you get hower hit by parts of it then this is amongs the most painful injury you can get in war.
Besides, explosions can be survived if they don´t hit you. But if the entire island is burning and you don´t have were to run then you´re done for.
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There is no painless death in One piece it's as simple as that. now stop it :laugh:
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Well, here are my useless thoughts after not being able to get this chapter out of my head since I read it.
One, I'm betting the name of the kingdom is going to be something starting with "D". I doubt I'm the first one to think of this, but it would make sense why Oda wasn't yet willing to reveal it to us. He seems to be having to much fun with the "D" mystery to just go and give us the answer so soon.
Also, I was wondering how Roger managed to write on the Poneglyph in Skypiea. It seems like there is no power possible of even putting a scratch on these things, yet Roger was able to carve a message into one. He really must have known a lot more than anyone else about the Poneglyphs.
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Also, I was wondering how Roger managed to write on the Poneglyph in Skypiea. It seems like there is no power possible of even putting a scratch on these things, yet Roger was able to carve a message into one. He really must have known a lot more than anyone else about the Poneglyphs.
Actually Roger´s words weren´t written on the Poneglyph itself but directly next to it as you can see here. Look on the far right below the bubble in the first panel. And the reflection effects on the next page actually show that they are carved in gold and not in stone.
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If you get all the pieces from chapter 301 ir shows Roger seemingly learned all about the blank 100 years.
Stephens Scripts:
Robin: "I was here, and will follow these words to their end."
"Gol D. Roger, Pirate"
The Pirate King…?!!
He was here, in Sky Island?!
How can he write in that language...?!!Robin: Yes… When you take all of the Poneglyphs around the world that contain information,
they must form one message that can account for the "Lost Years of History."
The Rio Poneglyph IS that completed message, the book that still does not yet exist.
The Pirate King, Gol D. Roger… must have arrived at the destination of this message.
Which means…**These two quotes make it pretty clear that Roger and his crew found everything they needed to know about the "Blank Years". This most likley means that he became a pirate entirley for another motive. This could mean that in his childhood he had witnessed/learned of somethin that coused him to acomplish this goal.
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Gan Forr: "D"…
I see, that initial.
No wonder he seems so similar...!! Hahaha...
And it also seems Gan Forr knows more than he is letting on about "D". Or this could just be nothing, but I doubt that highly.===================
Robin: His name is Monkey D. Luffy.
I've also got quite a bit of interest in him.
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@Octogon:
These two quotes make it pretty clear that Roger and his crew found everything they needed to know about the "Blank Years". This most likley means that he became a pirate entirley for another motive. This could mean that in his childhood he had witnessed/learned of somethin that coused him to acomplish this goal.
What I actually find more interesting is that Roger was in Skypiea much further then Robin.
It also appears Robin knows a little more about the inital than we think.
I actually think that it is just because the D. people she met were special in some sort. What actually is more intreguing with the question she asks Luffy is that he doesn´t have an answer, just as Saul doesn´t know what the D. stands for. Inherited Will anyone?
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Clearly the destroyed Kingdom was a utopia, and thus must have had a goverment where everyone had a say. The world Govt is clearly totalitarian. So I'm sure D is for Democracy! Actually I doubt it. But I figured I might as well jump on the bandwagon with a crazy theory.
For a less crazy one, I wonder if Robin found out the meaning of D. sometime after Ohara. It seems a like Oda might want to keep the mystery going for a while longer.
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What I actually find more interesting is that Roger was in Skypiea much further then Robin.
Yep. Roger and crew went to the Ponyglyph unnoticed. And incredible feat, even if eneru wasn't in power at the time.
I actually think that it is just because the D. people she met were special in some sort. What actually is more intreguing with the question she asks Luffy is that he doesn´t have an answer, just as Saul doesn´t know what the D. stands for. Inherited Will anyone?
I was going to mention this is as well, but couldn't find the right words. I mean that through all the things she has heard from Clover and what is going to happen later n the flashback, she put 2 and 2 toeghter. And possibly learned more about "D" than we know.
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@Octogon:
Yep. Roger and crew went to the Ponyglyph unnoticed. And incredible feat, even if eneru wasn't in power at the time.
What I meant actually is that Roger appears to knew back then that he has to follow the words to their end. I mean because he knew it he left that message. Robin however would never have discovered that if she wouldn´t have read Roger´s words. That´s what I meant with he was further then her. He knew something just be looking at the Poneglyph. She didn´t.
I was going to mention this is as well, but couldn't find the right words. I mean that through all the things she has heard from Clover and what is going to happen later n the flashback, she put 2 and 2 toeghter. And possibly learned more about "D" than we know.
I don´t think that it has anything to do with the history. Saul probably is going to show some strong spirit before he dies and since she´s a person that seeks knowledge she´s interested why the next person she meets who carries a D. (Luffy) also seems to be like that. I doubt that she thinks about the True History here.
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I still firmly believe that D stands for Dolphin, and the lost kingdom the Gorosei destroyed was the Dolphin kingdom.
But that's just a theory…
For all we know, my theory about the Dolphin Kingdom becoming the devil fruits could be true. After all, we've only seen the FRUITS... we've never seen a Devil fruit TREE, or VINE, or however they grow...
Btw, does anyone think that the other two admirals: Yellow Monkey and Red Dog... their powers are like Eneru's (Yellow Monkey) and Ace (Red Dog) Respectively? That would make sense, since Kuzan is ice. Ice, Fire and Lightning. And I guess Sengoku would have Earth power... the Ability to create earthquakes or something equally strange.
Say, has anyone thought of this?
Suppose Poseidon was the Dolphin Kingdom's weapon, and Pluton was the Gorosei's weapon. Suppose they're like massive nuclear bombs, but with opposite charges. And say they impact each other and detonate at the exact same time... Following me? It would create a shockwave through the center of the world, permanently altering ocean currents and even stopping wind and air currents around the impact area...
Sound like a certain location? Eh? Nudge nudge, wink wink...
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What I meant actually is that Roger appears to knew back then that he has to follow the words to their end. I mean because he knew it he left that message. Robin however would never have discovered that if she wouldn´t have read Roger´s words. That´s what I meant with he was further then her. He knew something just be looking at the Poneglyph. She didn´t.
Yes, that is also completley true. Which is why I think he had this ambition from since before he entered the grand line.
I don´t think that it has anything to do with the history. Saul probably is going to show some strong spirit before he dies and since she´s a person that seeks knowledge she´s interested why the next person she meets who carries a D. (Luffy) also seems to be like that. I doubt that she thinks about the True History here.
Yes, saul would have a big role in this. But Smoker didn't draw any connection with Ace and Luffy. I doubt she would have had so much of the "D" if she didn't learn something connected to it. Not a lot, but something. Oherwise it would really just seem like a random letter to her.
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@Fire Fist:
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Dolphin? How did I get Dolphin? Oda is big on animals. But nowhere - except in the anime opening for the 3rd season, and that doesn't count - do you see dolphins in One Piece.So, the D means Dolphin, and anyone with the name is tied to the kingdom.
Well, that's my two cents.
Plus, what god has a dolphin as its symbol? Anyone? It's Poseidon.
What about that huge dolphin in chapter 115?
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Monkey Dolphin Luffy? Someone with art skills, hurry!