Official Fishman Island Discussion
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16 Characters of "Source ?".
None, but crocodile seemed pretty confident that he could find it by searching every inch of the dessert.
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None, but crocodile seemed pretty confident that he could find it by searching every inch of the dessert.
He was sure to find the last hint to get to the ancient weapon, which was true because the poneglyph in Alabasta rly provided the location of this weapon.
But Poseidon would fit more to be under the sea afterall. -
Pluto aka Hades was the god of the underworld so if Poseidon would be in the deep sea then Pluton would be in some wasteland with a bunch of flames. I speculate…
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Do you know what's strange… Why Marco and Co still don't protect FI but instead Big Mom is doing.
Maybe they really are disbanded... Marco + the rest should be strong enough to do it
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Do you know what's strange… Why Marco and Co still don't protect FI but instead Big Mom is doing.
Maybe they really are disbanded... Marco + the rest should be strong enough to do it
True that they are a Strong Crew without Whitebeard and got Strong Allies, but still they can't maintain Their Yonkou Statue furthermore. so its possible that they disbanded and a Reunion Arc is awaiting us in the Future, probably the one where Kaidou Will fall.
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True that they are a Strong Crew without Whitebeard and got Strong Allies, but still they can't maintain Their Yonkou Statue furthermore. so its possible that they disbanded and a Reunion Arc is awaiting us in the Future, probably the one where Kaidou Will fall.
The Gorosei have spoken about Marco and Co very highly as one of the few people which can take on BB
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Do you know what's strange… Why Marco and Co still don't protect FI but instead Big Mom is doing.
Maybe they really are disbanded... Marco + the rest should be strong enough to do it
Maybe BB or some new up n comer killed them or they joined somebody else.
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The Gorosei have spoken about Marco and Co very highly as one of the few people which can take on BB
True, Just With Marco Strengh, the Crew can still be Feared….But They are no more at Yonkou Level (I am Talking about the Crew Level), They lost their Captain, 2 of the top Commander (ace and sach), Jozu's Arm, Curiel's skin (from a magma Bath), ( and possibly, atomos got a trauma from killing his Nakama).
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Do you know what's strange… Why Marco and Co still don't protect FI but instead Big Mom is doing.
Maybe they really are disbanded... Marco + the rest should be strong enough to do it
Marco and Co. are certainly very strong, but it was the guidance, reputation, and sheer might of Whitebeard that made them such a force to be reckoned with. With Whitebeard (and Ace, to a lesser degree) now gone, they've lost the linchpin that tied the organization together.
Now I'm not saying that the former Whitebeard Pirates will disband, but they might have to reorganize a bit, and will certainly have to rebuild their reputation. Whitebeard's power and reputation was a major stabilizing factor in the world, and it vanished the moment his death was reported to the masses.
What's more, if Blackbeard wasn't a threat to devote their full resources towards before the Marineford incident, he certainly is now. It could be that they simply want to deal with Blackbeard before trying to reestablish Whitebeard's zone of influence.
Of course, this is all speculation, as we don't know what the Sons/Daughters of Whitebeard have been up to since the time-skip.
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It was more about the name you know .. Whitebeard was a legend who made a name for himself years ago… true there are some strong young guys out there but they dont have all the pprestige and just by saying whitebeard
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Funny how they dont talk about those legendary weapon anymore.. but we are probably going to hear more about this when we hear about the D or the lost century
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Robin took off to look at some information and Franky went to go look for Tom's relatives. Very likely if not guaranteed to here about them very soon.
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Do you know what's strange… Why Marco and Co still don't protect FI but instead Big Mom is doing.
Maybe they really are disbanded... Marco + the rest should be strong enough to do it
Its not strange. If Big Mom came like Brownbeard and said FI is now hers what is Marco gong to do about it? None of the remaining WB can sink an Island on a whim.
If an 80 million pirate thought he could take over some early NW island then surely a Yonkou can take over one in the Grand Line easily enough. Whitebeard Pirates forces are likely preoccupied protecting Islands deeper in the NW from Teach.
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Well, Brownbeard wasn't a good example as no WB's were around to kick his weak ass. Linlin, well she probably could. And since she did, I can't imagine them being a force, if even around anymore. Perhaps we will learn more when we see Jinbe at the Forest.
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I'm curious to see what sort of person Big Mom is. I pretty much reckon Kaidou is gonna be the "Bad Yonku." so I wonder if Big Mom will be the "jolly yonkou." since Shanks is the "elusive doesn't really care Yonkou."
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Regarding Hodi's strength, I think that in the hierarchy of the Sunny pirates it went like this:
Fisher tiger > Jinbei ≥ Hodi (base) > Arlong
A lot of people don't regard Hodi as being strong because all he did with the pills was tear apart a ship, but there are things to consider:
1. He was hancuffed
2. How big was the ship
3. How long did it take him? Because he probably did it in less than 30 seconds.
4. How many people were on the ship?I think there's a misconception about his level of strength while using ES since he was only shown destroying one ship and people in the past have been known to easily do the same. He could have most likely taken on the ship without the pills and could very well be at least 3x stronger than Lucci with a handful of those pills. As for why he hasn't taken Neptunes head yet, he probably realized that Whitebeard (before his death) or Big Mam would respond and come after Hodi. It seems as though he just came across the ES pills so now he's confident he can take on anyone who comes to oppose him. There is stability in FI as long as neptune rules and Big Mam controls the territory. Hodi realizes this but he also is angered by the fact that FI is under the control of a human pirate. That is why he thinks that the neptune army lacks fishman/merman pride. Jinbei is a diplomat and doesn't want Hodi staging a coup but he also doesn't want Luffy to fight him because that would complicate matters.
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Funny how they dont talk about those legendary weapon anymore.. but we are probably going to hear more about this when we hear about the D or the lost century
Wouldn't be surprised to find Blackbeard riding one towards the end of the series.
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I'm curious to see what sort of person Big Mom is. I pretty much reckon Kaidou is gonna be the "Bad Yonku." so I wonder if Big Mom will be the "jolly yonkou." since Shanks is the "elusive doesn't really care Yonkou."
Nope Big mom can't be the jolly one because Shanks is both the don't care/party yonkou which pritty much is jolly don't forget instead of fighting mihawk he let mihawk join his party.
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So I was browsing the internet when I found something I would kill to see used for a fishman .
Then I found this
A goblin shark fishman ?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goblin_shark
Yeah this is real.
Feel free to post
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I still await the revelation of jelly fishmen…. One that sparks and stuff...
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That would be awesome , though it pales into insignificance before the one before whom even the mighty Sunfish coils away in fear
the true master of all the ocean
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If you want your images to appear you might want to try not hotlinking.
We already have a sunfish merman, and a sunfish fishman appeared in Arlong Park:
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/PisaroAlso this probably belongs in Things you want to see in the manga.
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Does the first one show ?
Cause the second image seems to be mostly dead.
Also…..Piglet Squid.
I hope that does apear. Now excuse me while I go appease my god.
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Well I was realy intending to make a topic about just the fish, seeing as there are pleny awesome ones out there stil to be covered and the fact this thread is probably gonna be about something else for the most part.
Well here is HE, hosted on my imageshack
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also this
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Deep sea hatchfish.
Okay this makes me never want to go near the sea now.
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Was it Debated before if FI is a man-made or Natural island ?
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Well, it seems like the bubbles are "maintained" by something… Look at the structures on the biggest one. (first time we saw FI)
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True, Just With Marco Strengh, the Crew can still be Feared….But They are no more at Yonkou Level (I am Talking about the Crew Level), They lost their Captain, 2 of the top Commander (ace and sach), Jozu's Arm, Curiel's skin (from a magma Bath), ( and possibly, atomos got a trauma from killing his Nakama).
They could very well still be a Yonkou level crew. The crew probably didn't protect the island because they were on hiatus for a while or figuring shit out.
FI needed a protector fast for obvious reasons and so Big Mom stepped in before the WB pirates reconsolidated.
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They could very well still be a Yonkou level crew. The crew probably didn't protect the island because they were on hiatus for a while or figuring shit out.
FI needed a protector fast for obvious reasons and so Big Mom stepped in before the WB pirates reconsolidated.
Maybe Marco and the others joined Shanks remember when Shanks offered Marco a spot when he went to Whitebeards ship and then later Shanks stopped the war saving them all and then Shanks was with them when Burying Ace/Whitebeard they would be stupid not to join Shanks and them joining would make Shanks and his crew at least second strongest yonkou crew+allys.
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They could very well still be a Yonkou level crew. The crew probably didn't protect the island because they were on hiatus for a while or figuring shit out.
FI needed a protector fast for obvious reasons and so Big Mom stepped in before the WB pirates reconsolidated.
They could barely hold Akainu back. I think they are still a strong crew compared to other NW crews, but compared to the other Yonkous they are a step behind. With Whitebeard alive they were surely the leading yonkou crew but now…I don't think so.
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I'm confused by people ranking the yonkou crews. As far as I could see, the story seemed to suggest that there was a sort of uneasy Mexican standoff between them, and implied, if I am not mistaken, that it existed in part becasue they were more or less similar in strength. I felt this was particualrly apparent when Shanks visited WB's ship to warn him about sending Ace after BB. I could be completely wrong though, so…
I'd be interested in hearing the rationale for the theory of rankings among the yonkou, or at the least why you pick the ones you do for strongest, second, etc., from anyone interested in telling me.
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@I:
I'm confused by people ranking the yonkou crews. As far as I could see, the story seemed to suggest that there was a sort of uneasy Mexican standoff between them, and implied, if I am not mistaken, that it existed in part becasue they were more or less similar in strength. I felt this was particualrly apparent when Shanks visited WB's ship to warn him about sending Ace after BB. I could be completely wrong though, so…
I'd be interested in hearing the rationale for the theory of rankings among the yonkou, or at the least why you pick the ones you do for strongest, second, etc., from anyone interested in telling me.
They shouldn't be Ranked, thats why they are Yonkou…Their Strengh should be closer to each other. Just so that you know, this Subject was opened first to See If the WB Pirates Gave up Protecting FI because of their Greatly decreased Strenght.
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I'm confused by people ranking the yonkou crews. As far as I could see, the story seemed to suggest that there was a sort of uneasy Mexican standoff between them, and implied, if I am not mistaken, that it existed in part becasue they were more or less similar in strength. I felt this was particualrly apparent when Shanks visited WB's ship to warn him about sending Ace after BB. I could be completely wrong though, so…
I'd be interested in hearing the rationale for the theory of rankings among the yonkou, or at the least why you pick the ones you do for strongest, second, etc., from anyone interested in telling me.
From what I know, people put the Whitebeards at the top because 1) Newgate was the strongest man in the world and 2) some databook apparently said that they were the strongest pirate crew in all the seas. I don't have a source on the latter, so take it with a grain of salt, but I'm fairly sure I've seen people use it to justify the WBs being the strongest.
Shanks is often considered the 2nd best because there seemed to be a degree of equality implied between him and Whitebeard, and because he's often viewed as one of the main character's greatest benchmark, perhaps second only to Gol D. Roger himself, so people think that it seems appropriate for Luffy to only surpass Shanks once he himself reaches the very peak - that is, the peak beyond being an Emperor, pirate king.
When it comes to Kaidou and Big Mam, nobody really thinks that they know anything for sure about them. I think it's fairly well agreed upon, though, what you said about them being reasonably similar in strength, that no Emperor has a vast advantage over another. In the end, only Whitebeard being the strongest has any truly substantial backing to it, and most people acknowledge as much. Even so, we were told that Kaidou was ready to attack Whitebeard, and then Shanks interrupted him and made him stop; it gives off the impression that they're all fairly close.
That's as much as I can say from my experiences of people discussing the strength of the Emperors.
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Hodi Jones!
Van Der Dekken IV!!
Caribou!!!
What's gonna happen to this island now?
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Hodi Jones!
Van Der Dekken IV!!
Caribou!!!
What's gonna happen to this island now?
The Same thing that happened to Alabasta.
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@No:
http://www.myinterestingfiles.com/images/2008/08/piglet_squid_1.jpg
…Why is this so darn cute?!
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The (former) Four Emperor were all probably close in strength to each other. That is not to say that they were all equal. Think the Monster Trio. However, even if a weaker Emperor went up against a stronger Emperor, both crews would be ravaged and the winning captain would be near death. And I think that they knew that, and didn't bother warring with each other because of it.
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Where's the crew of Sunny pirates that Jinbei supposedly had? Or was that a farse? Everybody thought jinbei set off but he was actually at the forest sea, has he been there the whole time?
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@Don:
But i agree that Hodi most likely would already have that weapon(even when it
s a bit weird that we haven
t got a clue so far of that ((like a line where he says:"just wait till "it" gets awaken" or something like that)))
That the trident could be such a key i think is a rly good guess, because i was also saying that this trident must have something special and i was disappointed that Neptune didn`t make something with it against the SHs.Regarding the trident. It's an interesting symbol. Ever noticed the trident on Hodi's cap? If you google for images of "Poseidon" you'll find this trident to be the most noticable feature of that god.
Comparison Hodi's cap and images of Poseidon:
![]([url][img]http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/4125/poseidona.jpg[/img][/url] Uploaded with [url]ImageShack.us[/url])The trident Neptune uses in OP could be a simple symbol of power something people relate to as something the king of the sea should have since both the king Triton in Little mermaid and a character with a huge beard a.k.a Neptune in Roman mythology has one.
Of course the trident on Hodi's cap could as well only be a simple symbol of aspiration, of dreams of rising to power but I wish and suspect HODI is the right one to unleash the powers of the Poseidon and that they are connected. Though mostly it's just wishes:Connections
- Massively HUGE ark/boat in "Noah" that could be a secret super weapon similar to "Pluto".
- Noah -A reference to the ark of Noah in the bible who saved humanity from the floods. In this context though the concept could be twisted used to destroy humanity instead.
- Poseidon - a greek god of the sea also known as the earth shaker- an ancient weapon possibly with the power of water or earthquakes capable of creating huge floods or tsunamis and drown the world.
- A murderous white shark fishman with a reference to the symbol of Poseidon on his cap who wish to wipe out humanity and "drag them to the bottom of the sea".
Debate if you want to.
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I've seen it! The future! Fishman Island will definately be destroyed by the pirate, Straw hat Luffy! Never doubt Madam Shirley!
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Hodi Jones supports global warming.
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I thought this bit of information was worth discussing, timeline wise, but it appears to have been skipped over in the crewmate thread. Hopefully it does better here.
- 15 Years Ago - Fisher Tiger breakout
- 15-10 Years Ago - Jinbei becomes captain
- 15-10 Years Ago - Fisher Tiger dies
- 15-10 Years Ago - Jinbei becomes warlord
- 10 Years Ago - Rumor of Fishman Pirates split
- 10 Years Ago - Queen Otohime's assassination
I think the logical order of events would be how I listed it, but obviously there are still a few unknowns. So in no particular order, Fisher Tiger forms the crew, steps down as captain or dies, Jinbei takes his place, Jinbei becomes a warlord, some event takes place where the queen "caused an uproar", Fisher Tiger is involved in a "bloody battle" and dies from blood loss afterward, the crew splits or is disbanded by Jinbei, and Arlong forms his own crew and heads to East Blue. My initial thoughts are that Fisher Tiger died on that day 10 years ago, as Jinbei's "uproar" and Hammond's "bloody battle" seem synonymous. The problem with this is that we know the Fishman Pirates "split up" 10 years ago, which would make Jinbei becoming captain of the crew a little awkward, timing-wise. Seems more likely Jinbei split the crew and became a warlord in response to the incident. This would mean that Fisher Tiger stepped down and made Jinbei the captain, seeing as he was an "adventurer" originally and supposedly only made a pirate crew to inspire hope and pride. Hammond's "bloody battle" and Jinbei's "uproar" would split the flashback timeline up a little too much for the narrative, I think, but it could work out. Or it could be something else completely; just making guesses here and putting things into a timeline.
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@ Brennen: If Fisher Tiger did die during the incident, I would be very surprised that there wouldn't be a single Fishman/Merman at Fishman Island that didn't have his blood type and he would've had to rely on human blood. It's still entirely possible that he ended up in a scenario where he had to rely on humans to help at Fishman Island but I still find it unlikely.
I saw people spectulating that VDD was the one that killed the queen, but I would think he'd be more of a prominent Criminal if he assassinated a queen and that seems like something somebody would've mentioned it earlier.
The incident was probably caused by humans, which would help intensify the hatred for humans.
I also have a theory about Jinbe joining the Shichibukai.
In chapter 69, Yosaku states that a condition for Jinbe to join the Shichibukai was that he let a terror roam free in East Blue. Now, most people in the past thought that this meant Jinbe had to disband the Sunny Pirates, but as we now know, Shichibukai can keep their crews.
Now WHAT IF, instead of the 5 elder stars conditioning Jinbe joining the Shichibukai if they disband the crew, Jinbe conditions that he'll join the Shichibukai if he allows Arlong and his crew to roam free in East Blue? This could be why he feels responsible for Arlong's actions.
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The problem with this is that we know the Fishman Pirates "split up" 10 years ago, which would make Jinbei becoming captain of the crew a little awkward, timing-wise. Seems more likely Jinbei split the crew and became a warlord in response to the incident.
from stephens script:
Yosaku: The Seven Armed Seas are a group of pirates who prey on uncivilized lands and pillage other pirates,
then give a percentage of their loot to the government, in exchange for exoneration.
Other pirates will call them "government dogs," but do not be fooled,
they are POWERFUL!!!
In fact, Mihawk the Hawk-Eyed, the man who defeated Brother Zoro,
happens to be one of those very Seven Armed Seas!Yosaku: In exchange for Jinbeh's participation in the Seven Armed Seas,
he has set someone terrible loose in East Blue.The WG sure did know about the ideology some fishman had(like ARlong) and so made the condition that Jinbe had to disband his crew to get rid of those anti-WG fishman.
So Jinbe became a shichibukai, but i dont get why? It doesn
t bring him safety for the rest, because WB already was protecting that island(or did he do that later?)..so it wasn`t necessary for Jinbe to be good with the WG and by that dropping a few members of his crew. -
@ultimateclima:
If Fisher Tiger did die during the incident, I would be very surprised that there wouldn't be a single Fishman/Merman at Fishman Island that didn't have his blood type and he would've had to rely on human blood. It's still entirely possible that he ended up in a scenario where he had to rely on humans to help at Fishman Island but I still find it unlikely.
Who knows. Like I said, it works better for the narrative to have one major emotional event– Fisher Tiger's death, the queen's assassination, and then the business with the Fishman Pirates splitting-- rather than to span multiple events over the course of a five year timeline. Aside from that, Hammond referred to the event as a "bloody battle", so it makes sense that there wouldn't be a whole lot of people capable of donating blood, and even that assumes he has a normal blood type. But I still agree, the scenario of his death by blood loss being blamed largely on humans refusing to help suggests a different location than Fishman Island; or perhaps we just have trouble imagining a Fishman Island packed with humans? 10 years ago it should have been a peaceful island under Whitebeard's protection, so it would have been a huge tourist attraction at the time. We know the New Fishman Pirates are keeping humans out right now, so what we see on Fishman Island now isn't what we would have seen back then.
@ultimateclima:
The incident was probably caused by humans, which would help intensify the hatred for humans. […] Now, most people in the past thought that this meant Jinbe had to disband the Sunny Pirates, but as we now know, Shichibukai can keep their crews.
I highly doubt Jinbei would make such a condition. I mean, let's put the pieces together: we know Jinbei is a pirate-hating pirate; we know Jinbei respected the Queen's ideals; we know the King (Neptune) is a friend of humans; we know fishmen hate humans for the ordeal with Fisher Tiger; we know one of the reasons Jinbei was made a warlord was to heal/strengthen bonds between the two groups. Isn't it more likely that the hatred for humans is misplaced because of a few bad humans, and due to the impact of the event (FT's death, Otohime's death) and the general hatred from fishmen to humans, Jinbei disbanded the crew and tried to make peace? Either intentionally or unintentionally disbanding the crew would work, as his decision to work with humans at that time would more than likely spark a huge argument where the crew splits in the end. In such a case, Jinbei's decision to work with the Government would be the reason Arlong left– which Jinbei could have prevented-- and would therefore give him reason to feel responsible.
@Don:
So Jinbe became a shichibukai, but i don't get why?
Well, I'm sure there were other / more motivations behind his decision, but the simplest answer right now would probably be what I said above: after that event 10 years ago he wanted to help absolve the hatred between the two groups rather than continue captaining a crew of 'superior race' pirates which if anything generate hate.
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Well, I'm sure there were other / more motivations behind his decision, but the simplest answer right now would probably be what I said above: after that event 10 years ago he wanted to help absolve the hatred between the two groups rather than continue captaining a crew of 'superior race' pirates which if anything generate hate.
But to get his status as a shichibukai he had to disband a part of his crew.
So he couldnt change a bit the thoughts of those who were already thinking like Arlong and Hodi and with his shichibukai-status he wasn
t rly get more protection for the rest on the island.(like Hancock using her status for)
It was still WB who protected them and so Jinbe being good with the WG wasnt much of an advantage other than him being seen as closer to the humans and by that for Jinbe the chance to solve conflicts via talking(and thats just maybe, because i don
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About Fisher Tiger's death, although Fishman Island has a weak, but still existing peace treaty with the World Government, I do not think they are a part of it, as I think being a territory of Yonkous proves that. If Tiger stayed on the Island after his stunt in Mareijoa, he could have brought the wrath of the WG onto Fishman Island. So, for the safety of it, I imagine he went to the New World and stayed there until his death.
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I highly doubt Jinbei would make such a condition. I mean, let's put the pieces together: we know Jinbei is a pirate-hating pirate; we know Jinbei respected the Queen's ideals; we know the King (Neptune) is a friend of humans; we know fishmen hate humans for the ordeal with Fisher Tiger; we know one of the reasons Jinbei was made a warlord was to heal/strengthen bonds between the two groups. Isn't it more likely that the hatred for humans is misplaced because of a few bad humans, and due to the impact of the event (FT's death, Otohime's death) and the general hatred from fishmen to humans, Jinbei disbanded the crew and tried to make peace? Either intentionally or unintentionally disbanding the crew would work, as his decision to work with humans at that time would more than likely spark a huge argument where the crew splits in the end. In such a case, Jinbei's decision to work with the Government would be the reason Arlong left– which Jinbei could have prevented-- and would therefore give him reason to feel responsible.
By that same reasoning, it could be argued that letting free Arlong and his new crew off to terrorize humans in East Blue would be contradictory to the peace he was trying to create.Would Jinbe would be okay with that as long as he cannot see them terrorizing humans?
So that would mean @Doflamingo could be right about the conditions: sending off Arlong and co. to East Blue.
In any case, the way Yosaku phrased it, the agreements involving becoming Shichibukai directly led to Arlong and co. to go to East Blue. If Jinbe disbanded the crew on his own, Yosaku wouldn't have phrased it like that, right? Then again, this is going off a translation so it could be phrased differently.
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@Don:
But to get his status as a shichibukai he had to disband a part of his crew. […] Jinbe being good with the WG wasn't much of an advantage other than him being seen as closer to the humans.
@ultimateclima:
By that same reasoning, it could be argued that letting free Arlong and his new crew off to terrorize humans in East Blue would be contradictory to the peace he was trying to create.Would Jinbe would be okay with that as long as he cannot see them terrorizing humans?
Obviously we have questions that cannot be answered yet, but if we assume Jinbei's goal was to ease relations with humans, him working alongside humans as a Warlord would be a good step in the right direction. To other fishmen, however, it might be seen as a betrayal. I'm sure– again, assuming this is what happened-- he anticipated there would be quite a few upset fishmen over that move, but I doubt he thought Arlong would run around gathering up his own crew for his own agenda, and even if he did I doubt there was much he could do to stop it, much like there is apparently nothing he can do to stop Hodi Jones and his new Fishman Pirates.
I mean, plain and simple the first step in his mind should be disbanding the crew, as they are a large part of the problem. I'm sure the World Government saw them in a similar light, so a condition like that would make sense, seeing as they would need a symbol (Jinbei) and not the crew as a whole who may or may not have the same ideals. Consequences that follow can't all be laid at his feet, but of course we already know he feels responsible for what Arlong did.
@ultimateclima:
In any case, the way Yosaku phrased it, the agreements involving becoming Shichibukai directly led to Arlong and co. to go to East Blue. If Jinbe disbanded the crew on his own, Yosaku wouldn't have phrased it like that, right? Then again, this is going off a translation so it could be phrased differently.
Yeah, I don't think we can lean too hard on that statement. I mean, I've always figured it meant what it said, that Jinbei had to disband the crew as a condition– and other dialog backs it up-- but at the same time I'd expect Jinbei agreed to that term without complaint, as it makes sense.
But you know, I'd rather not argue these details too much because there are far too many unknown factors. Just watch, the flashback is going to flip our understanding of what happened on our heads.
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I wouldn't say that we need to take Yosaku's words literally in this case. If Jimbei became a Shichibukai and Arlong did leave the crew and went to East Blue as essentially a direct result of that, that's really good enough. The details could easily get distorted over time and distance. Seems to me as if brennen's analysis is spot-on, from what we currently know. Arlong most certainly went to EB on his own accord, as opposed to Jimbei "releasing him into East Blue" as part of his deal with the government.