But that's not the insanity I meant, plus that wasn't my critique is so much as how it was portrayed. The insanity I'm talking about is easily being smitten by psychopathic clowns.
"'The Joker choose me!''
What the flack?
But that's not the insanity I meant, plus that wasn't my critique is so much as how it was portrayed. The insanity I'm talking about is easily being smitten by psychopathic clowns.
"'The Joker choose me!''
What the flack?
But that's not the insanity I meant, plus that wasn't my critique is so much as how it was portrayed. The insanity I'm talking about is easily being smitten by psychopathic clowns.
"'The Joker choose me!''
What the flack?
What?… He was just saying that the Joker chose to tear him down moreso than the rest... it's something the Joker admitted he was doing just one scene prior...
With Ra's he lost all of the iconography and uniqueness which made him so memorable, with a forgettable take and Liam Neeson holding it together. You lost him referring Batman as detective, or his respective rivalry with Batman and his daughter. He wasn't an early years 'Bat-villain' with Dent he was rushed severely and his motivations weren't all that believable I mean look at his one dialogue.
That option was never there; Nolan's Batman is not a detective. And I found Neeson's take quite great - the issues you're bringing up with him in Batman Begins seem like really small pedantic things.
What?… He was just saying that the Joker chose to tear him down moreso than the rest... it's something the Joker admitted he was doing just one scene prior...
Still didn't feel very believable. I didn't take Dent seriously after that line.
I got what people's critique of what made Dark Knight so pretentious. I'm not really on the mood to debate this but if you respond whatever…
That option was never there; Nolan's Batman is not a detective. And I found Neeson's take quite great - the issues you're bringing up with him in Batman Begins seem like really small pedantic things.
I respectfully disagree.
I've mentioned he could used for later point, and I've mentioned he could have saved him for a later film. His detective abilities were starting develop in Dark Knight, and eh. I did enjoy Neesons portrayal but I didn't like Nolans take.
Edit: I did think Nolan's take did the character justice in terms of taking him as a tragic figure, but he put him this love triangle with no chemistry, that and some of his dialogue when he bat-shit was contrived (to me).
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a300975/robin-williams-for-dark-knight-rises.html
I think it's possible Hugo Strange could be the unrevealed villain. But jesus no, not Robin Williams.
I remember seeing him die on
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I'm kinda hopeful that Williams will actually do a good job. Despite his bad comedy, he is a fairly good actor.
Williams is a good actor(terrible comedian though) and could definably play an obsessive madman. Problem is he would be too expected, and Nolan usually cast people you wouldn't expect to be cast in so with that in mind, the chances of Williams playing him are pretty slim. I don't think Williams will ever be in a Batman film I'm afraid. He also has a strong chance at the same time.
This rumor is really no different than the rumors of him playing the Joker in both the Burton and Nolan series of films. I will add he looks a great deal like the character.
The bottom is a fan-edited pic.
I might add that he is a very good contender to play the role
but again that would be too expected and Nolan usually surprises with his casting choices. With Heath Ledger no one expected the guy who played gay sensitive guy in Brokeback Mountain to star as one of the most frightening comic characters in existence in Nolan's second bat-outing( and pull it off!). If this character is in this final film by Nolan he will almost assuredly be played by someone no one will expect
Here's what the fame godfather of Bat-film, Micheal Ulsan; recently said
“One part of the genius that is Christopher Nolan is the particular way he casts most people would not initially think of, and then delivers masterful, unforgettable results.”
Hahaha! Be careful what you wish for, Bill, you just might get it!
Seriously though, when Williams is given something good to work with, he IS a really good actor. It's just he often chooses a lot of shitty scripts.
Well Satsuki, Williams has done serious films like One Hour Photo and Insomnia( which was directed non-other by Chris Nolan) both which were received very positively. Williams has stated he's a huge Batman fan and lobbied to play Riddler and Joker and he mentioned he'll play just about any Bat-role offered to him.
So I say he has a pretty good chance. Though my hunch tells me he won't be cast as the character due to the directors penchant for picking the most unexpected actor to play characters.
Plus this sounds a lot like those rumors of Joseph Levitt Gordon playing Riddler(though he would have made a great Riddler) I could be wrong though, Williams has a lot of potential. Williams could be just what Nolan's batting for(no pun intended).
Well, if anything could get him some respect back, it's playing a villain in Nolan-verse Batman.
Ooh, this is interesting. I hope Williams does get the part (or at least any part), in this last Batman film, he seemed so very, very eager and excited to jump on any batman role offered to him.
Robin Williams maybe a bad comedian who steals jokes, but when he really, really gets into a role and is directed right, he might bring in an interesting take on this mostly unknown villain to to mainstream. I guess he deserves it since he was the guy who's being trying land a part Batman films since 89'. I mean it he could finally have his wished granted at last….
But the character hasn't even been confirmed to be in the film, just Bane and Selina Kyle(sans her costumed persona).
On the subject of Bane.....
I don't think Bane can hold the film together(alone) even if he's portrayed as intelligent as he is in the comics(which I don't think Nolan will even try) he won't have the what it takes. I respect fans of Bane and I've mentioned that reading Secret Six I'm also starting grow affection for him but I don't think he'll be portrayed much differently then any other media portrayal (aside from Batman and Robin). Maybe slightly smarter.
The Dini/Timm/Burnett cartoons portray him as lackey (calculating but just street-smart an assassin )
The Batman( Utilizling him as an assassin again not very intelligent either
Batman Arkham Asylum( used by the Joker, not very intelligent)
Like I said before aside from 'Knightfall' Bane really isn't portrayed to be all that intelligent ever again. Sure Ra's praised him but that's pretty much it .
I don't think Nolan's version will be that much different.
http://batman-news.com/2011/01/27/who-is-bane-his-creator-discusses-the-character/
Interview with co-creator.
Bane came to being as a result of a multi-creator storyline called “Knightfall” in which, to facilitate a new, darker hero taking on the cowl, Batman would have his back broken by a major new enemy created just for the occasion. Among the editorial team Dixon in particular was concerned that the newbie baddie be well-received by readers.
“The parameters for him had to be that he must be the intellectual and physical equal of Batman, that it would be believable that he could beat Batman and injure him badly enough to put him out of action for a year,” he says. “He is in every way a self-made man, just as Bruce Wayne made himself into Batman. Bane made himself into Bane, but with much darker purposes.”
I'm sure Bane fans might argue he could used as a symbolic contrast to Batman and maybe he will, but not enough for him to be the sole villain in this film. I do Like the Bane character but just won't be strong enough to carry the film himself.
I also like to add Bane is the only villain confirmed. Selina Kyle isn't a villain at all and can't hold the mantle of second villain very well. She was announced with Bane(who's a villain). Talia I just don't know she can fit into this film she's too awkward to be added at this point(especially with her dad dead).
Williams has wanted to play the Riddler since at least as far back as Batman Forever. He turned down the role then because he hated the script and it went to Jim Carrey instead.
But yeah, Williams is definitely a fan, and a great actor when he's in the right role. (Good Will Hunting FTW.) I'd be up for him being in there.
Bill, if anybody is going to make Bane intelligent again, it's Nolan.
And you think Robin Williams is a bad comedian? I don't. He's not Geroge Carlin-level or anything, but he's good. Especially at improv.
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While I personally like Williams comedy I can easily see why a lot of people dont. He tends to jump around a lot and it can be hard for some to follow. Its not exactly your typical stand up show.
I loved Mrs. Doubtfire but in that Jonathan Ross vid I posted he just wouldn't shut up. He was dying. Even Jonathan who was interviewing him had to pretend to laugh at a lot of it. Incessant forcing and seeking for laughs at every line of mediocrity. "Oh look I said something normal in a weird voice!"
Well what do you want. The man can't go back to being on cocaine for EVERY funny role he plays.
Apparently the guy who started the Robin Williams playing the villain rumor has now expressed it was just his opinion….
A guy from London asked about Jett's tweet which jump started the rumor and meaning behind it.
This was his response.
Absolutely nothing. All I was doing was thinking out loud after a chat I had with an industry friend of mine. I’ve made no secret that 1) I’d LOVE it if Robin Williams finally got his wish and was cast in a Batman film, and, 2) I’d also love to see the character of Hugo Strange included in THE DARK KNIGHT RISES. Put those 2 together things together and, “RW as Strange? Hmm…..”
That’s it.
I’m flattered that all these outlets think that one of my Tweets is a story, but really, they’re all making a mountain out of very small anthill. If I knew that Hugo Strange was in the film for a fact – as well as Robin Williams portraying the character -- I wouldn’t say anything about it anywhere.
'Jett' is a longtime Batman fan and this 'industry friend' may have been a person involved in Batman films. I've said before that Batman on film has direct links to the production of Batman films as they know some folks involved in them. Batman on film was the first to disprove of Tom Hardy playing the villian and Jett claimed to have knowned Bane was going to be one of the villains, before it was announced and kept it quiet because of his respect for the studio(Warner Bros). Even if this villain is not going be included in this film I' think its almost assured that there will be another villain announced in the future. This is exhibited when he mentioned after the 'chat' with his 'industry' friend he thought of Robin Williams as the villain Why think of Robin Williams playing a villan role and tease it? This 'industry' friend may have teased Jett about a 'surprise main villain' and he got excited and decided to throw his personal choice of the main villain his 'industry' friend teased about would be announced in the future. It makes perfect sense.
So even if he's not in this film; I'm at least right about the main villain being unannounced. Like I said before Goyer has mentioned he wants to use a villain never before portrayed in live-action film Both Catwoman and Bane appeared in live-action films/television series before, so they can't be the villain he's yammering about. Plus Selina Kyle isn't a villain and her costumed persona 'Catwoman' has not been confirmed. Which logically leaves us with Bane as the only announced villain.
Bill, if anybody is going to make Bane intelligent again, it's Nolan.
Bane, even if he's portrayed as intelligent as he is in the comics can't carry a film by himself and he won't be worthy successor to Heath's Joker and it seems Nolan is going to take severe liberties with character; while remaining somewhat true to heart of the character. This is evidenced with his press release statement about doing a 'fresh' interpretation of Bane and I don't think this "Its Nolan he will make him intelligent" holds much water. Again I'm not saying he will be portrayed as dumb(especially Batman and Robin dumb) but with Hardy's casting he's clearly going for a young Bane and I'm somewhat positive he's going to watered down to be similar to just the brute but clever street smart nemesis the Dini/Timm/Burnett cartoons portray him, maybe less so. Plus Bane's intelligence was only prominent in 'Knightfall' in the comics, aside from that; he wasn't portrayed as being all that smart ever again(though Ra's praise him, but that hardly counts). My main point is that Bane really is a villan that's best used somewhat as hired 'muscle'. But that's not to say he works better dumb, he can still be clever, and dark shadow of Batman.
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@RobbyBevard:
Williams has wanted to play the Riddler since at least as far back as Batman Forever. He turned down the role then because he hated the script and it went to Jim Carrey instead.
But yeah, Williams is definitely a fan, and a great actor when he's in the right role. (Good Will Hunting FTW.) I'd be up for him being in there.
Serious Robin is quite awesome. Honestly, I do think his funny roles are great, but I think he's a great actor when his comedic aura is down.
Cool that he's a Batman fan. I also heard he was an Evangelion fan.
I also heard he was an Evangelion fan.
Imagining Williams as Gendo has raised my opinion of Evangelion slightly.
Robin Williams reminds me of Gene Kelly in this pic :
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I still hate him.
Really Williams is a great actor, he just isn't very funny.
Robin is funny in different strides. It depends on the movie you pick.
Him in the Birdcage is something of legends. Why isn't he in more movies with Nathan Lane?
@Cyan:
Imagining Williams as Gendo has raised my opinion of Evangelion slightly.
Ditto.
Whether or not Williams is funny really depends on the person. To me, I think he's usually funny, but he's got some duds.
THIS however, had me rolling out of my chair:
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Whether or not Williams is funny really depends on the person. To me, I think he's usually funny, but he's got some duds.
THIS however, had me rolling out of my chair:
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Oh man, I remember this from several years ago! I think I lost a spleen the day I watched this!
http://www.reelzchannel.com/movie-news/9062/christopher-nolan-briefly-updates-the-dark-knight-rises/
Basically the same info as before. But interestingly enough, when Nolan was asked if Hathaway was playing both Selina Kyle and her costumed persona he gave an ambiguous answer.
Just read the link. He's confirmed they'll start shooting in May.
Sorry for double post
A little update about Catwoman..
Was there any doubt? Catwoman is the most iconic of the rogues gallery after Joker.
In other news I was particularly struck when this guy( Wally Pfister) was asked how Nolan surpass the Dark Knight then he replied
"I asked the same question. I read the script two weeks ago, and he's done it. Plain and simple — he's done it. It's a phenomenal script. He's still in the process of cutting it back because it's a very long script right now, but it's really phenomenal. And he actually had me go back and wanted me to watch, in IMAX, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight again. When I watched those I had read the script for The Dark Knight Rises and was like, 'dude, it is a perfect trilogy.' I think that was his intent, to work of those two pictures — and they are very different pictures. And it's funny, we all had different opinions about which picture we like better."
Holy shit! http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/article/cinematographer-wally-pfister-talks-about-the-dark-knight-rises
Why does everyone want Hugo Strange in this film? I've never found the character particularly memorable.
Read Prey, and not everyone wants him in this film. He fits the story at where its at with that story, and I'm not really hyping him up. I think his story fits were this film takes place
Plus he could be a good successor to the Joker in may ways, if done right.
In other news I was particularly struck when this guy( Wally Pfister) was asked how Nolan surpass the Dark Knight then he replied
Holy shit! http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/article/cinematographer-wally-pfister-talks-about-the-dark-knight-rises
…Whoa. I hope the guy wasn't exaggerating on how good the script looks. If he isn't, than I'll be super happy for this movie. Plus I just might actually go to the IMAX to see it. I really wanted to see The Dark Knight in IMAX but never really did =(
I sure hope this turns out to be a great trilogy. He got a sweet redemption from his bad reputation in video games with Arkham Asylum, so why not have a great redemption with movies? (considering the awful ones such as Batman & Robin, Batman Forever).
…Whoa. I hope the guy wasn't exaggerating on how good the script looks. If he isn't, than I'll be super happy for this movie. Plus I just might actually go to the IMAX to see it. I really wanted to see The Dark Knight in IMAX but never really did =(
I've said before in this thread that Nolan(in reply to Mr.333) wouldn't have returned to do a third one if he didn't have something special to give us. In fact he even posed himself the question.
GB: Could you see actually yourself not making the third Batman film?
NOLAN: Well … let me think how to put this. There are two things to be said. One is the emphasis on story. What’s the story? Is there a story that’s going to keep me emotionally invested for the couple of years that it will take to make another one? That’s the overriding question. On a more superficial level, I have to ask the question: How many good third movies in a franchise can people name? [Laughs.] At the same time, in taking on the second one, we had the challenge of trying to make a great second movie, and there haven’t been too many of those either. It’s all about the story really. If the story is there, everything is possible. I hope that was a suitably slippery answer.
So with that in mind; I think we can expect the Nolan Batman series to be a rare great trilogy, like the Toy Story series. 'The Dark Knight Rises' will will be to Batman as Toy Story 3 was to Toy Story.
But I can't shake the fact that Nolan will add a sober, downbeat ending to the franchise….
I sure hope this turns out to be a great trilogy. He got a sweet redemption from his bad reputation in video games with Arkham Asylum, so why not have a great redemption with movies? (considering the awful ones such as Batman & Robin, Batman Forever).
Batman Forever wasn't that bad, it just needed to flesh out its theme a little more. It still had amazingly creative set-pieces, a fun over the top interpretation of the Riddler by Jim Carey(similar to what Gorshin did the with character) and unlike the Burton films had a decent exploration of psychological element of Batman's motivation( though it was inadequate). Granted Robin's presence did hinder the film somewhat admittedly, and the plot was all over the place but not very bad, certainly not awful. With Batman and Robin Schumacher overdid the campiness too much and made Batman way too 'down to earth' that it crippled the film, along with the bad dialogue and script.
Chris Nolan already had Batman already redeemed on film with Begins alone. Also if that guy in the interview got the complaint about the action scenes being too hard to read, so expect so better action scenes than then last one. Nolan is going to improve a lot from the last. I bet Christian Bale may even try a new take with his Batman voice, which has been criticized as being campy(though I find no problem with personally). Rises will accomplish a great feat, breaking the curse of the third films in a film series.
I can't wait.
Holy shit Joseph Levitt Gordorn in talks about 'The Dark knight Rises'!
http://www.firstshowing.net/2011/confirmed-joseph-gordon-levitt-in-talks-for-dark-knight-rises/
Riddler? Maybe not but he might be a villain.
Briefly: At Comic-Con last year, we reported an exclusive news story about actor Joseph Gordon-Levitt being in consideration for one of the lead villain roles in highly anticipated The Dark Knight Rises. While there's since been word that Riddler is most likely not one of the villains, Deadline has confirmed his casting, reporting that Gordon-Levitt is officially in talks to join the film in an unrevealed role ("I'm told that he will be in the when Nolan starts production this spring"). It would certainly be interesting if he was playing The Riddler, but we'll be waiting patiently for official confirmation. Th__oughts?
This 'unrevealed role' will be most likely be the unrevealed main villain I was talking about.
At what point exactly did the kid from Third Rock From the Sun become a hot movie quantity for the fans?
I realize Third Rock was years and years ago, but it seemed to me he fell off the face of the planet, but now he's anticipated in everything, Jonny Depp style, even though he's not actually in all that much. What did I miss that got him so much cred?
All care is that what's significant about this announcement is the mention of an 'unrevealed role' which further supports my theory of the main villain still being unannounced.
@RobbyBevard:
At what point exactly did the kid from Third Rock From the Sun become a hot movie quantity for the fans?
I realize Third Rock was years and years ago, but it seemed to me he fell off the face of the planet, but now he's anticipated in everything, Jonny Depp style, even though he's not actually in all that much. What did I miss that got him so much cred?
Eh, I dunno. I'd never even heard of him until Inception, but I fuckin loved him in that. He just has a sleek smexy look (and I don't care how gay that sounds) and was humorous in his acting. Plus he had, like, the best scene in the movie.
Oh, and would you believe he's only 29?
@RobbyBevard:
At what point exactly did the kid from Third Rock From the Sun become a hot movie quantity for the fans?
I realize Third Rock was years and years ago, but it seemed to me he fell off the face of the planet, but now he's anticipated in everything, Jonny Depp style, even though he's not actually in all that much. What did I miss that got him so much cred?
Probably when he did The Lookout, the movie wasn't bad actually but he killed his role.
@RobbyBevard:
At what point exactly did the kid from Third Rock From the Sun become a hot movie quantity for the fans?
I realize Third Rock was years and years ago, but it seemed to me he fell off the face of the planet, but now he's anticipated in everything, Jonny Depp style, even though he's not actually in all that much. What did I miss that got him so much cred?
I don't think he, himself has a lot of cred, but Nolan does like reusing actors he likes in his movies (Christian Bale & Michael Cane in Prestige and Batman, Tom Hardy in Inception & TDKR, etc) so, the fact that he's used Joseph Gordon Levitt in another movie makes the inclusion of him in TDKR a very credible rumor.
I don't think he, himself has a lot of cred, but Nolan does like reusing actors he likes in his movies (Christian Bale & Michael Cane in Prestige and Batman, Tom Hardy in Inception & TDKR, etc) so, the fact that he's used Joseph Gordon Levitt in another movie makes the inclusion of him in TDKR a very credible rumor.
I'm not questioning him being in Dark Knight. But a whole string of things in recent memory where he's rumored to be up for apart, or not rumored at all but people suggest him anyway, ala Johnny Depp. It just… something I keep seeing, and I couldn't think of any time where he's done a geek worthy or difficult role or anything.
Unless you count GI Joe...
Kind of a funny and twisted thing if the Joseph Gordon-Levitt rumors prove to be true, is that he looked a lot like Heath Ledger.
This rumor of Joseph Levitt Gordon in Dark Knight Rises….is now fake! Just kidding its real!
He has been confirmed for Dark Knight Rises!
http://www.hollywoodnews.com/2011/02/02/joseph-gordon-levitt-confirms-role-in-upcoming-batman-movie/
It's not like it was a remotely new rumour anyway.
I want Harvey Bullock to be in this film, he could fit perfectly but something tells me he won't play him.
Nolan made the right choice picking Hardy to play Bane.
Peterson thrives in prison, comparing it to a hotel room, and every night he displays violent behavior towards the guards, which causes the other inmates to treat him like a star. The authorities send him to a series of different prisons in hope that one of them will be able to handle him, but nothing seems to help. Eventually he is sent to a psychiatric hospital, where he is injected with high doses of sedative drugs every time he tries to start a fight. In an attempt to be sent back to prison he finally tries to strangle a man who had admitted to being a pedophile. Because of this he is sent to the high-security psychiatric hospital, Broadmoor, where he starts a large-scale riot. News footage from the actual event shows Peterson holing up on the roof, thus being branded "Her Majesty's most expensive prisoner."
This Bronson character that Hardy played is very similar to Bane. Nolan must saw this was very impressed with Hardy's work on that film.
If the ' bald chestnut head' is in this film he could administer the drug.
Actually seeing Bronson I think Bane can hold by the film by himself if he's changed a lot.
Joseph Gordon Levitt, eh?
I've been wondering what villain he could fit into.
Possibly Firefly?
The Mad Hatter?
Who else could he portray? He'd most likely be too young to be someone like the Ventriloquist, or Hugo Strange.
EDIT: Mad hatter probably wouldn't work. I'd say Clayface if he could somehow be grounded in the gritty realism that Nolan usually does with Batman.
Come to think of it, I'd really like to see Firefly in a movie. He hasn't really had that much exposure.
Eames and Arthur in the same movie? Again? Totally Awesome.
@Badass:
EDIT: Mad hatter probably wouldn't work. I'd say Clayface if he could somehow be grounded in the gritty realism that Nolan usually does with Batman.
teehee.
i'm not sure if we'll see clayface in "…Rises" he seems too supernatural for the universe Nolan created.
Why are people presuming Levitt will be portraying a villain? Could very well be a protagonist.
I'm thinking someone on the force searching for Batman.
I know Nolan said 'Robin would never be in his Batman' and I don't believe this, but here's the latest rumour surrounding TDKR :
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a302349/robin-to-be-in-the-dark-knight-rises.html