It could be on top of taller building, which is cut off in that scan.
Chapter 388 "Gear 2 (Second)" Discussion
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details, people, details. tsk
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There's a centre flag pole on top of that Courthouse that should be visible (if not the actual flag, at least the pole should be). You can see it in numerous shots in prior chapters.
Like this:
Ch.384
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Ah. I wonder if it'll be fixed in Tanko.
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Isn't that where Luffy and Blueno were fighting? So couldn't that either be the damage from Luffy smashing Blueno into whatever it was or Blueno's Rankyaku (is that how you spell it?), I believe we had a shot of Zoro and the others noticing it. It certainly looks damaged on page 20 there.
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no… there is no back door... am i right? or am i right? XD thx battlefranky to pointing that out! i didn't notice it while reading...
<edit>but taking a CLOSER look, the backside does seem to have a drawbridge... so the door might be hidden behind that thing...</edit>
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Looking through it again, it does look like the flag still exists undamaged.. though the last time I can spot it is while Luffy and Blueno are fighting in 385. So whether it's just a missing detail there or if it was a casuality of the fight.. who knows. At least they got the detail of the damage Blueno did with his Rankyaku in 385.
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nevermind, people posted this i read this lol
wow i have no idea to describe my disappointment in you for noticing that.
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And btw, something else I forgot to add to my post above. Luffy may have learned that through compressing his body he could greatly increase his body strength during the the time he was squeezed between the two buildings (that is the entire time after the CP9 fight and before the big wave hit).
Hmmm… a bit of foreshadowing by Oda? (scene takes place not long after Luffy frees himself from the back alley buildings)
Would be cool if it was.
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Hmm. The compression molding argument was intriguing, so I decided to check out more of it. To my surprise, I found some other information that might be a viable explanation of gear 2.
By design intent, a spring is a static mechanism (Luffy at rest). However, a spring will no longer behave as a static mechanism if the frequency of operation approaches the spring's first resonant frequency (which i assume 'shifting' gears is achived by compression). This I would assume would be a sort of having a sort of resonance inside of luffy that amplifies the force of his punches, in essence decreasing luffy's elasticity in favor of sheer power via shorter stretching (tensile strength?).
However, I don't know too much about physics/engineering myself but maybe one of you folks do, and could give a better explanation.
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By design intent, a spring is a static mechanism (Luffy at rest). However, a spring will no longer behave as a static mechanism if the frequency of operation approaches the spring's first resonant frequency (which i assume 'shifting' gears is achived by compression). This I would assume would be a sort of having a sort of resonance inside of luffy that amplifies the force of his punches, in essence decreasing luffy's elasticity in favor of sheer power via shorter stretching (tensile strength?).
Like two chapters ago a door opened on Luffy's face and spun around.
XDI think Oda applies physics only when it helps ^O^
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Personally, I was thinking myself about the theory mentioned earlier about the crew members each mastering a Shiki. While it may be a bit unlikely, I like the idea. I can see at least Zoro, Sanji, and maybe Chopper doing it.
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Hmm, I dunno if they could master a shiki. Luffy mastered Soru, which honestly looks like one of the easier Rokushiki. Sanji might master Rankyaku since kicks are his specialty, but Geppou? Tekkai? I dunno about that. And Zoro's like strictly a swordfighter, I can't imagine him wanting to learn a martial art not involving swords.
Hmm. The compression molding argument was intriguing, so I decided to check out more of it. To my surprise, I found some other information that might be a viable explanation of gear 2.
By design intent, a spring is a static mechanism (Luffy at rest). However, a spring will no longer behave as a static mechanism if the frequency of operation approaches the spring's first resonant frequency (which i assume 'shifting' gears is achived by compression). This I would assume would be a sort of having a sort of resonance inside of luffy that amplifies the force of his punches, in essence decreasing luffy's elasticity in favor of sheer power via shorter stretching (tensile strength?).
However, I don't know too much about physics/engineering myself but maybe one of you folks do, and could give a better explanation.
. . . . . what is a resonant frequency?
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The frequency at which something will vibrate in tune with something else as I recall. It's like that bridge that twisted apart. It hit its resonance frequency with wind and literally turned into a wave.
Of course that's all out of my ass and I'm into Bio and just barely got exempt from a physics final so… ^O^
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Something just occured to me. Franky will use his coup de vent again before this arc is over. Maybe it will be against Spanda, or to blow open the gates of justice. But I'm am almost positive it will be seen again before this arc is over.
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I know it's a big move, but I don't think it's THAT big. IF those gates are destined to be brought down, something unfathomable is likely to do the job.
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The idea of the Strawhat pirates having mastered one or more of the shiki's is a cool one. But why stop at shiki's? What if some of the crew managed to master mantra? Mantra might be a great counter against some of the shiki techniques. Also it would be more believable to have some of the crew master mantra than it would having them master shiki - the crew would have had much more time to train and master mantra than shiki techniques. It's been only what, 24-48 hours or so ago (in the manga time line) since they first learned of the existence of these techniques? But then again, having one or more of the crew master a shiki in such a short time span (where it took many of the CP9 years to master) would simply illustrate once again just how badass some of the Strawhats are.
If some of the crew did indeed master mantra, then I guess that begs the question, why wasn't it used during their initial encounter with the CP9? Perhaps the shiki techniques were simply too strong at the time for mantra to counter (even if they knew the moves were coming, they couldn't do anything about it). If that's true, then what was the advantage to having learned mantra in the first place? Well to master mantra I think you would have to develop an innate ability to quickly observe and understand your opponent's movements so that you can easily make predictions about your opponent's movements and avoid any attacks. Even if some techniques are at first too difficult to counter for a mantra user, at least mantra would impart onto the user the ability to master a new technique fairly quickly after only having observed it a few times since mantra users have that much better an understanding of a person's movements. Thus by learning mantra, it would place it into the realm of believability some of the crew mastering shiki techniques in only 24-48 hours or so.
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@Battle:
btw… notice something? :molly:
Pg.15 - Pg. 20And here I thought you were talking about noticing seeing that what will be the bridge at the back of the building.
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Maybe the JoJo chinese scanlations aren't entirely correct, but when it comes to Luffy bitting his thumb, he is saying 'lemme show you something even more interesting….third gear..." but then Blueno falls. Is this just another translatory mistake or clearly forshadowing more moves?
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@omae:
I know it's a big move, but I don't think it's THAT big.
You've got that right; judging by the first time we see the Justice Gate, it's at least eight times as tall as the wall in front of the town. Sizes can be inconsistent though, so it's probably somewhere in the range of two hundred and fifty to three hundred feet tall, but it may well be somewhere between five hundred and six hundred feet tall. If it's made of stone like the Courthouse gate, it'd have to be pretty damn thick to even support it's own weight.
IF those gates are destined to be brought down, something unfathomable is likely to do the job.
I don't know about them being brought down, but I still expect to see a Lucci shaped hole in them by the time this arc is said and done.
Of course, this arc might not even end here; especially if Spandam throws CP9 and whatever other forces he can spare into the meat grinder so he can run away with his prizes. I wonder which is closer, Impel Down or the Naval Headquarters…
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Thanks for the link as always guys ^__^
The more time passes, the more Luffy is becoming amazing _ -
hmm, i don't think that luffy is gonna save robin and franky before they get through the gate and into impel down… i'm pretty sure the cp9 would stop luffy n crew while spandam get's away with them... i'm sure oda want's us to see what's behind that gate!
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forget oda wanting us to see it, if its a big mystery and you're forbidden to see behind those gates even if he already had Robin luffy would still take a peak.
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I don't know about them being brought down, but I still expect to see a Lucci shaped hole in them by the time this arc is said and done.
Well the second Kokoro said "It won't open all the way." in chapter 376, it was clear to me that it will be opened completely before the Strawhats leave Enies Lobby. It´s a method of storytelling to talk about events that never happen only to make the protagonists the first one to break the rule.
Just like it was clear back at Skypiea when it was said that no one should set foot at Upper Yard, that the Strawhats will be the ones who will do it.
I expect the Gate of Justice to be opened widely. And maybe that´s actually how another prediction of mine could take place: The fall of Enies Lobby into the Abyss! Who knows what will come through an entirely open Gate and what trouble it will cause there. But that´s another discussion.
Eversince Kokoro´s statement I´m expecting the Gate to open widely.
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. . . . . what is a resonant frequency?
Resonance frequency
All objects have a frequency in which it is easy to make it vibrate, this frequency is the objects natural vibration frequency » Resonance.In other words:
It is easy to make a object vibrate if you push with a frequency equal to that of its resonance frequency.Most vibrating objects have more than one natural frequency.
A vibrating object will, if time, energy and space makes it possible, always end up in their resonance frequency.omae no kaasan v.2 mentioned a bridge which I guess is this:
http://www.enm.bris.ac.uk/research/nonlinear/tacoma/tacoma.htmlThe key to understand why the bridge colapsed is mentioned above:
It is easy to make a object vibrate if you push it with its resonance frequency.Short and easy(?) explanation:
What happened was that the wind was blowing with a frequency equal to the bridge natural frequency, which made it vibrate. A swing on your playground is easy to swing fast and high, but you stop before it get dangerous (at least normal people does). The wind on the other hand did not. Therefore the bridge kept swinging higher and higher until the construction couldn't handle the stress and it collapsed.I hope this clarified what a resonance frequency is and that I didn't get too technical (sometimes that is quite hard).
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Ok, I've been rereading W7 arc through
I have a prediction, but it's a little out there
Everyone is about to die
Usopp saves everyone, but gets taken to impel down
The rest of the crew busts INTO impel down to save him
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Ok, I've been rereading W7 arc through
I have a prediction, but it's a little out there
Everyone is about to die
Usopp saves everyone, but gets taken to impel down
The rest of the crew busts INTO impel down to save him
:wacko: ehhmm did you already read the other chapters?
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Ok, I've been rereading W7 arc through
I have a prediction, but it's a little out there
Everyone is about to die
Usopp saves everyone, but gets taken to impel down
The rest of the crew busts INTO impel down to save him
more fandom?…..........
If some of the crew did indeed master mantra, then I guess that begs the question, why wasn't it used during their initial encounter with the CP9? Perhaps the shiki techniques were simply too strong at the time for mantra to counter (even if they knew the moves were coming, they couldn't do anything about it). If that's true, then what was the advantage to having learned mantra in the first place? Well to master mantra I think you would have to develop an innate ability to quickly observe and understand your opponent's movements so that you can easily make predictions about your opponent's movements and avoid any attacks. Even if some techniques are at first too difficult to counter for a mantra user, at least mantra would impart onto the user the ability to master a new technique fairly quickly after only having observed it a few times since mantra users have that much better an understanding of a person's movements. Thus by learning mantra, it would place it into the realm of believability some of the crew mastering shiki techniques in only 24-48 hours or so.
i can only see two people learning mantra although i'm sure that Aisa is the proof you need to be born with it. but still i can only see Zoro or Chopper learning that.
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This chapter was amazing. This arc keeps getting better & better. Man, I so wanna see Luffy use Gear 2 or 3 with a Gomu Gomu Storm & Rifle on Lucchi and anyone else who gets in his way. I hope Zoro and Sanji can do this Gear technique.
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more fandom?…..........
i can only see two people learning mantra although i'm sure that Aisa is the proof you need to be born with it. but still i can only see Zoro or Chopper learning that.
i would go as far as saying only zoro: he's always training, and meditating. i think he's the only one in the right state of mind to learn something like that
in any case, i wonder how the lucci fight will play out: affter blueno pulled out different variations of tekkai, im wondering if every cp9 member knows them, of if its a case of each one of them having mastered a different rokushiki ability and having different uses of it.
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Maybe the JoJo chinese scanlations aren't entirely correct, but when it comes to Luffy bitting his thumb, he is saying 'lemme show you something even more interesting….third gear..." but then Blueno falls. Is this just another translatory mistake or clearly forshadowing more moves?
Ooshi's translation is better than theirs in that case. Luffy says "Gear"…. and then stops talking when Blueno passes out. It's possible he was going to go to Gear Third, but I presonally think it's too soon to start upping the numbers. I mean, it took 388 chapters to get to gear 2, and only half a chapter to get to 3? Probably not. I'd guess he was just going to do a move that's part of Gear 2 that uses the word gear in its name.
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i would go as far as saying only zoro: he's always training, and meditating. i think he's the only one in the right state of mind to learn something like that
in any case, i wonder how the lucci fight will play out: affter blueno pulled out different variations of tekkai, im wondering if every cp9 member knows them, of if its a case of each one of them having mastered a different rokushiki ability and having different uses of it.
the six forms are the six forms, theirs no more, hwoever the ability to customise them however is possible.
also with the chopper thing, he's got his transformations and that's why i think he has the ability too, everyone knows the younger you are the quicker you learn things and Aisa could've taught him.
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Maybe Usopp should learn how to use Soru with his slingshot to have a better effect then before.
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Mayby be was gonna say "gear rifle" or something ?_?
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Blueno trained soru, not tekkai
Lucchi's will be stronger ^^by the way
I hope luffy will use "Gomu Gomu no Jet Storm" against Lucchi ^^
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Ooshi's translation is better than theirs in that case. Luffy says "Gear"…. and then stops talking when Blueno passes out. It's possible he was going to go to Gear Third, but I presonally think it's too soon to start upping the numbers. I mean, it took 388 chapters to get to gear 2, and only half a chapter to get to 3? Probably not. I'd guess he was just going to do a move that's part of Gear 2 that uses the word gear in its name.
maybe luffy is going back to gear 1 what he always was?
and Blueno passed out because he loses too much blood?
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Blueno trained soru, not tekkai
Lucchi's will be stronger ^^What do you mean by that? A Rokushiki user mastered all six forms. If anybodie´s form is stronger then the other ones then it is because the person itself is stronger and not because somebody is specialized on one specific form. At least least so far nothing about specialized on one form has been said.
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I don't really think Gear Second has anything to do with compression molding, or any other rubber processing technique. Just because his body is rubber means he can survive, or even mentally control a process like that. And besides, when you use compression molding on something, it needs to be in a mold and then superheated. Luffy would have to step into a body mold and endure intolerable heat. And then, it would've been irreversible. He couldn't just suddenly go back to normal.
Considering his target audience generally doesn't know anything about industrial rubber processing techniques, I'd say there's a simpler, more accessible explanation. My new guess draws a connection between the steam coming from his body and the name "Jet" added to his techniques. A jet engine works by ejecting hot, expanding gas to produce thrust. Maybe the reason Luffy's attacks are moving so fast and hard now is because they are literally jet-powered. I don't know how he could do it, but maybe he's performing his moves similar to how he usually does, but he is forcing steam out of his body in some way to accelerate his limbs? As I pointed out before, there's a mini-impact type thing between Luffy and Blueno each time he uses a Jet technique, and I'm sure that has to do with the nature of his new moves. In my new idea, this little impact is a burst of really hot steam to add thrust to his limbs, much like a Jet engine. That's what I believe it is… for now.
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I thought that it was pretty obvious that Luffy was mimicking the Rocketman with his new techniques.
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oda in his office: "damn! it's almost deadline but I still have a lot of pages to finish!!! what should I do, what should I do…"
his assistant: sir, why don't you just make luffy has an attack that is so fast, it's invisible? that way you don't have to draw it.....
oda: genius! pure genius!!Haha, man, you totally made my day! :)
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I think Usopp should learn mantra.
Just imagine the awesome trick shots he could perform!
Both eyes closed, behind the back, using ricochets to hit things he can't even see… Usopp would be the ultimate marksman if he had mantra. And.It.Would.Be.Awesome.
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Luffy, Zoro and Sanji has extremely well-trained bodies that enables them to do … crazy stunts. I wouldn't be surprised if Zoro and Sanji learned a move from Rokushiki or two (RANKYAKU SANJI)...
... But as much as I love Usopp, he only has a normal body.
So? He can use his inventions! I think he can make a device that enables him to do... Geppou/Moonwalk. He did create Octopucts and Usopp Hopper, so why not combine a Breath Dial and some boots plus some of his own tinkering to make an advanced Shooter? Just like the Shandians', but it requires no track of clouds?
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I was thinking Usopp should add like, twelve impact dials and some clamps to his 5 ton hammer. Think about it, he could use the clamps to pump in pressure and then hit with a couple thousand tons of force…STILL with a weapon that weighs only 2kg
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@omae:
Like two chapters ago a door opened on Luffy's face and spun around.
XDI think Oda applies physics only when it helps ^O^
Oddly, someone tried to work science into that, too.
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Thank God there was a chapter this week. The highlight of a most plagued seven days!
Considering his target audience generally doesn't know anything about industrial rubber processing techniques, I'd say there's a simpler, more accessible explanation. My new guess draws a connection between the steam coming from his body and the name "Jet" added to his techniques. A jet engine works by ejecting hot, expanding gas to produce thrust. Maybe the reason Luffy's attacks are moving so fast and hard now is because they are literally jet-powered. I don't know how he could do it, but maybe he's performing his moves similar to how he usually does, but he is forcing steam out of his body in some way to accelerate his limbs? As I pointed out before, there's a mini-impact type thing between Luffy and Blueno each time he uses a Jet technique, and I'm sure that has to do with the nature of his new moves. In my new idea, this little impact is a burst of really hot steam to add thrust to his limbs, much like a Jet engine. That's what I believe it is… for now.
The "molding" theory was good, and I was going to back it…but then I figured that oxygen is tasteless, colourless, and odourless; steam is water vapour, not visible water. I have not taken organic chemistry, but I can surmise that if heat is involved, it's a combustion reaction of sorts. Luffy's expose to oxygen in the air, so we have a complex rubber compound, in excess oxygen, with heat, producing carbon dioxide, water vapour, and a hardened version of the rubber compound.
Futhermore, Blueno mentioned Luffy needed to "harden his body" to execute a Rokushiki technique, so we have a bit more evidence backing the vulcanization technique.
Lastly, when people mentioned that vulcanization is "nigh-irreversible", we should not forget that Luffy is still a human being; his outer layer of skin is dead. If it were to harden, it would only be a matter of time and subjections to chemical processes before the hardened material were to wear off.
Lastly, Luffy doesn't appear to be tired from using Gear. Blueno used Soru, Tekkai, Geppoku, Rankakyu...how many times? Even if Luffy used the technique, he doesn't have the stamina to use it frequently.
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on a side note, looking back at the jousting colorspread, luffy's stance on the horse is very similar to his new jet pistol attack
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Well the second Kokoro said "It won't open all the way." in chapter 376, it was clear to me that it will be opened completely before the Strawhats leave Enies Lobby. It´s a method of storytelling to talk about events that never happen only to make the protagonists the first one to break the rule.
Just like it was clear back at Skypiea when it was said that no one should set foot at Upper Yard, that the Strawhats will be the ones who will do it.
I expect the Gate of Justice to be opened widely. And maybe that´s actually how another prediction of mine could take place: The fall of Enies Lobby into the Abyss! Who knows what will come through an entirely open Gate and what trouble it will cause there. But that´s another discussion.
Eversince Kokoro´s statement I´m expecting the Gate to open widely.
you've been preaching that since you joined here. this " it's not supposed to happen so the Strawhats will make it happen" thing that is. how come you never get bored of writting " It´s a method of storytelling… " , you've written that so many times i don't even want to read you posts anymore out of fear of seeing it written again =( damn you for making me suffer. runs aways screaming hehehehe
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It's a method of storytelling, that's why.
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you've been preaching that since you joined here. this " it's not supposed to happen so the Strawhats will make it happen" thing that is. how come you never get bored of writting " It´s a method of storytelling… " , you've written that so many times i don't even want to read you posts anymore out of fear of seeing it written again =( damn you for making me suffer. runs aways screaming hehehehe
There's an "Ignore" option for that, y'know. =3
Anyway… Yes, Rankyaku/Geppou/Soru Sanji would rock. I'm hoping he's as resourceful as Luffy was while he fights.
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