How many of those people traveled on the ship with SH from one location to the start of a major arc.
I think Oda is free to not always start and end each arc with a formula.
How many of those people traveled on the ship with SH from one location to the start of a major arc.
I think Oda is free to not always start and end each arc with a formula.
Remind me again.
How bad is Phenomonyl exactly. Is he as bad as Soapbox or is he mentally impaired?
No, something that is baseless has nothing to support it. I've provided considerable support for the theory that has yet to be debunked in any meaningful way, just accusations of being an "amateur" and false fallacy attributions (followed by the same poster actually engaging in said fallacy), and etcetera.
The sad thing is I always thought that poster was pretty intelligent when I was reading over the past several months, but his vitriol and inability to consider that he might be wrong on any point ever makes it hard to continue that respect. He probably won't even admit he committed the association fallacy he accused me of even though it was a picture perfect example of it, or he'll claim it was "on purpose."
Some people just have too much vanity, such is life.
Alright, ignoring the fact that I apologized and gave rational arguments against your claims that you haven't responded to, you still hadn't responded to Bremnan's post, instead responding to JD in a bitching war.
And they made it clear quickly that Zoro was just doing that to feed himself and not because he had anything specifically against all pirates. And He never once tried to kill Luffy. Or seriously stated he would kill Luffy. And ZOro is a psychopath. And Luffy specifically went to meet Zoro to see if he'd join his crew. What indication is there that Luffy wants or needs Caribou to join his crew?
No one has killed just to kill who's been a SH
zoro killed to survive as did robin and never just killed marines or people for the hell of it
Franky never hurt anyone outside of the SH's only when they interupted a fight, he didn't stab and brutally kill people, this is a kids manga the fact that he's a crazy psychotic murder most likely means he won't join the crew, hell we've never even seen bad guys like arlong and croc kill people so brutally, and the fact that he's on the ship means nothing as we have pointed out this happens again and again and will continue to happen
let's make a bet on this
Did you guys pay ANY attention to the colorspread??
Look closely
!
See? Oda is going to make caribou join!
AlmostLegendary and SoapBox are really bringing this thread back to its former glory.
we need a witch hunt now… I'll bring the angry mob
almostlegendary and SoapBox and anyone else who's ready to go through with this ridiculous idea as if it were true, let's bet on it
Maybe since cariboo is such a terrible liar he can't stand anyone who lies to him ? Also
What the fuck does this even mean
Damn I didn't think anyone would call me on that lmao.
You have proven beyond a doubt that you are the worst member ever. I can accept people who post retarded things and actually believe it, but you are not one of those people. You post things you know are wrong in an attempt to stop people from realizing you're retarded. Assuming you had any credibility in my book, you would have lost it all.
Except Nami was also partially acting. And was never evil. nor was Chopper. Robin thought she had no place to go. Franky was an enemy at first, and it required a ton of time and development before suggesting him as a crewmember was plausible. And again, none of them killed people for fun. Which is definitely something Oda is against having his main characters do
Perona's re occurrence is not the same as what I am describing.
It's exactly the same.
In this situation, Moo Moo re-occurred to deliver a new character to the Strawhat Crew's ship as they are actively transitioning to Fishman Island/New World part of the story.
You are focusing on the reoccurrence as being the big deal.
This is the same as with Perona.
Because the reoccurrence is not a big deal.
Actually to be fair you're making an even worse argument because you not only think reoccurence is a big deal, you think it is rubbing off on a completely different character…..magically I'm guessing.
He delivered Caribou alone, specifically because it was Moo Moo that was towing his ship. Not Moo Moo, then no singled out Caribou, it would have just been Caribou and crew getting their ass kicked by the straw hat pirates instead.
What is all of this. Why does any of this have the slightest damn thing to do with making someone a crewmate.
Now instead of that, we're seeing character development in Caribou BECAUSE of Moo Moo. Deus Ex Machina (not random happenstance).
That isn't a Deus ex Machina you amateur.
This connection to MooMoo is 100% meaningless. MooMoo has nothing to do with anything, he was just Oda's mechanism of delivering this character into this scenario. The ends of which can be gag, or just Oda's way of easing an antagonist into a more drawn out conflict.
Not one damn thing has any "indication" of crew status. There is nothing important about it.
I used a random literary term from the top of my head, not because it was related (I made NO indication it was, I was ridiculing you for your voluntary ignorance), if you couldn't grasp what I was actually saying there I can't help you, sorry.
It's not a literary term. It has no inherent application to storytelling.
You have no idea what words mean.
Association fallacy is a real fallacy, identifying a parallel is not association fallacy.
Association fallacy:
Premise A is a BPremise A is also a CConclusion Therefore, all Bs are Cs http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Association_fallacy_argument_map.pngThis is not what I am saying at all.
Oh? ahahaha.
ROBIN HAD CHARACTER ATTRIBUTE A WHICH LEAD TO STATUS B.
CARIBOU HAS CHARACTER ATTRIBUTE A, THEREFORE HE WILL BE STATUS B.
All A's = B!
"You ARE Agog, but only because you're like millions of people like Agog."
Association Fallacy. Funny that you called it
Sorry but I'm making a simile here. Not applicable.
I thought you knew something about writing.
Also this doesn't even fit the definition.
You can find patterns anywhere and that is why I have gone through extensive effort and made extensive explanations of how these specific ones are real and legitimate.
No, you didn't.
You have nothing but the pattern.
"You can find patterns anywhere" does not negate that there are also real and meaningful patterns in literature.
No character for crew was ever decided on pattern alone.
Nice try, you're a decent troll but you fail in that you don't actually know what you are talking about and fall into the very fallacies that you accuse others of.
You're a blubbering moron who is step for step following in the footsteps of the forum's most recent huge mistake made by a user.
Not only that but you're doing so in the very thread where that took place less then a month ago.
You're an impotent blazing sun of exciting new spectacular failure.
Are people actually reading AlmostLegendary's posts?
It's a waste of brain cells…
Also it's pretty weird that you continue to call cariboo evil…what exactly makes him evil? His desire to kill marines or other pirates? I don't see the evil in his deeds. We all know the corrupt deeds of the marines and well a pirate is a pirate can't really call that evil. It's their nature.
are you trying to bring in ethical theories as a means to dodge a valid argument?
Not everyone is astute as you. The guy who first brought up my theory of Zoro killing shanks went away after I brought it up he actually went a long with and didn't dispute it. Problem solved in my book. It's not my fault if he doesn't pay attention to the story as well as he should.
No but it is your fault for posting stuff which you know is wrong. Posting something you know is wrong is essentially a form of trolling people, you are a troll.
Uh no. The higher ups in the marines may be corrupt, but that doesn't mean every single damn marine is despite all evidence to the contrary. And killing people for fun is evil. And since most of the people we've seen Caribou kill were completely uneccesary deaths. If you think otherwise you are a sick man. But of course, I'm guessing you know you're arguements are stupid and you're just a troll
Your argument still continues to lack any substance, Jerk Disease.
You're sinking to Phenomonyl levels now I see. Wonderful.
Misuse and misunderstanding of what "canon" means.
Thinking hyperbolic descriptions of a character by other characters is the same as a character's direct statement of their own goal.Also thinking that goal is an iron law that must be adhered to with any character. As you have denied this conversion as being a possibility, I'm only going to have to assume you think it is a guarentee.
Hell, even if Caribou is impressed by Luffy this is miles from the status of crewmate.
Now you are changing your own argument, originally it was that I ignored a statement, now it's that I ignored a statement by a character who is brand new vs a statement from one of the most respected characters in the entire manga, since the one from that respected and established character contradicts YOUR argument, suddenly it is "invalid." This just goes to show how far you will leap to hypocrisy to defend your argument.
"The text in the series that I LIKE is the only text that counts!" Is basically what you are asserting, it is pathetic. Stop.
You have writte it aside, you know it's there and completely disregard it as mattering or being in the way. You're lazily skipping the step of plausibility.
"Oh yeah that thing, well wahtever dosn't matter".
When Nami's intention was to burglarize Mugiwara was first revealed we were not given the back story. It's not that I am "disregarding it" it's that I see it as the character flaw he will overcome.
Only a fool would theorize with so little for so much.
No, a fool would take it so seriously and get butthurt about it. A wise man would laugh and enjoy making fun and unconventional predictions while backing them up with the information available.
You are a complete joke.
Jimbei is STILL are more likely to join then Caribou.
I'd love to hear your Jimbei theory.
No there isn't.
This does nothing to challenge the stated reasoning I have given to suggest otherwise. Your view is baseless, my view has been backed up extensively with the material available at this time. Oddly, your apparently pathetic belief that Jimbei will join being obviously wrong (especially at this point) just goes to show how hypocritical you are. You still think he will join even though it's been effectually shown that he will not, he dipped out on the Strawhat crew. Caribou, on the other hand, is currently with the crew, he even temporarily took Robin's role as the person who would explain what the Krakken is.
A bunch of arbitrarily assigned "significant" medals that mean nothing.
You have nothing at all.
To you, that's great for you. Live well.
You claim to have talking with a random senior member eons ago before this forum existed. Congratulations.
I don't need congratulations, my point was merely that just because I don't post a lot does not mean I am not "around." You were the one that tried to use this idea that I wasn't around in order to attack me, so obviously a response was merited.
Confirmation bias doesn't mean what you think it means.
A sentence that is going to see a lot of use I can tell.
Confirmation bias with these kinds of 'predictions' is when you tend to forget or not consciously acknowledge the theories you have made that have been wrong, but absolutely remember the times you have been right, creating a false sense of wisdom or ability.
Maybe I'm wrong and you did put that signature up before any of those theories were concluded. If you did, good job on your predictions and you really did get a lot right.
If you put the signature up after you were right on some of those predictions, than that is 'voluntary' confirmation bias, because you probably have failed ones you forgot about.
Either way this doesn't matter to me, I don't really care, congrats on your predictions. :)
Oh alright, I guess that means you can claim this as THE reason people are against him.
This certainly makes sense.
So far people have said "you're identifying patterns that aren't real" (a claim but not an actual argument because it's an unsubstantiated claim). "only stupid people think he will join" "oda would have to change his character design AND his personality for him to join" etc etc. There have been no substantial arguments with any real merit against this theory, with the exception of perhaps brenen's most recent post, but I haven't had time to take a good look at it talking to you.
The caliber of "indication" you are using is shit like:
-he just happened to be here.
By your own paper thin logic, Jimbei is already on the crew.
Incorrect, that's not what my logic implies at all. That's your misappropriation and intentional obfuscation of my theory.
It isn't banned, and it's younger then me.
it's not banned because after I got banned Jonas unbanned me. You may be an older member than me but it doesn't really matter and my point was merely that I've 'been around' for a fucking while. My account was banned, then UNBANNED by the admin (at the time) Jonas. You are right that it's not currently banned. :)
Then explain the bullshit you're spewing about Franky and Robin, being as the scenarios never happened.
I didn't even post on AP when Franky was first showing up, and I was a member on the original AP.
I may be wrong about this, I will admit right now that it was an assumption on my part.
It's not hard for me to admit when I'm wrong as long as reasonable evidence is provided.
Paulie, Perona, Hancock, Margaret, Vivi, and every single bad idea ever basically.
I'm not even sure what this was supposed to prove. You post terrible typical arguments.
"List how many times".
I never argued that any of these characters would become crew members as far as I know, ever. In fact I'm pretty sure this is the first 'new nakama' prediction I've ever made. That said, I have made wrong predictions in the past just not regarding new nakama.
"You post terrible typical arguments" does nothing to add to our conversation or support your case.
@Robo:
No but it is your fault for posting stuff which you know is wrong. Posting something you know is wrong is essentially a form of trolling people, you are a troll.
You have reached
ENLIGHTENMENT!
Incorrect, this is not the basis of my theory. Go back several pages and find my first post, then read each of my posts. Once you have actually read what I have had to say, then you can claim to know the 'basis' of my theory. That he is on the ship at this time is a supporting factor, not a foundation. I've explained the foundation for this theory in detail that's why I know you haven't read my actual posts.
The "foundation" is yet another fabricated absolute of such poor construction that it could be applied to multiple characters already in the crew.
As well as any number of villain characters at any point, in fact it could, again due to shit construction, be applied to any character ever to be bad.
True Oda can take the story however, he wants however, they have been somethings which he hasn't changed like a party at the end of every arc.
That would just be a tradition with purpose. Something like a formula in how arcs may begin, or end, is something that doesn't matter and something that can be flexible.
You know what, I retract my claim on Jimbei until I've seen the actual theory behind it. I said that shit because you annoyed me, I'd rather be honest and hear it out first.
SoapBox does the fact that no one besides AlmostLegendary who's proven himself in his last post alone to be a horrible poster really not bring up any signs for you
AGOG was a man he was willing to make a bet that perona would join, are you willing to make a bet that caribou will join, with what I would say is considerably less evidence than even perona had
Which of the death's we're unnecessary? the marines? or the fakes? Killing a marine is what he does. Also if the bottom follows the top their just as corrupt. No action is worse type of action. Also the fakes fooled him and embarrassed him totally justified. His pride was a stake there.
Where in the world do you live, this is justified, what the fuck kind of person are you
and just because it's what he does doesn't make it not evil
if I went to your house and killed your family and you find out that I do this all the time to other family's does that make it not evil
if you fooled me into thinking he joins and he doesn't do I have the right to kill you
how about this
AlmostLegendary I will take your mom out for a nice seafood dinner than never call her again
Honestly, the only thing against Jinbei is based on analysis of Oda's styles and the type of crewmates that have already joined. From a completely inworld perspective, Jinbei needs a really good reason to not join. You know since he: Has already helped Luffy through a crisis, swore to protect Luffy with his life, and is a good friend of Luffy who interacted with him over a fairly substantial period of time
Death pact death pact death pact.
Uh no. The higher ups in the marines may be corrupt, but that doesn't mean every single damn marine is despite all evidence to the contrary. And killing people for fun is evil. And since most of the people we've seen Caribou kill were completely uneccesary deaths. If you think otherwise you are a sick man. But of course, I'm guessing you know you're arguements are stupid and you're just a troll
I agree with you. Caribou, if asked, might disagree with you.
For a short period of time after my brother was curb stomped by a gang in Fukuoka, I had severe rage against all Japanese people. This was illogical and stupid of me, but people do illogical and stupid things when this happens to their brother.
Here's another way to look at it.
Are all members of al qaeda evil?
Killing a marine is what he does. His pride was a stake there.
Genocide was Hitler's cup of tea, therefore he Holocaust was justified…
SoapBox does the fact that no one besides AlmostLegendary who's proven himself in his last post alone to be a horrible poster really not bring up any signs for you
AGOG was a man he was willing to make a bet that perona would join, are you willing to make a bet that caribou will join, with what I would say is considerably less evidence than even perona had
Making a bet on a prediction is silly, I'm doing it for personal entertainment and fun not to stroke my ego and win a bet.
I don't care whether or not anyone agrees with me, by the way, that's not how I operate and it's not a legitimate argument.
We interrupt this lively debate complete and unholy (no offense) thrashing for this important pun
Most people, when making a grand statement, merely stand on the Soapbox.
Mr. Zephos gives us the pleasure of letting us watch him also wipe his feet all over it.
We now return to our current broadcast
I bet my account on the sole fact that Caribou won't join.
Making a bet on a prediction is silly, I'm doing it for personal entertainment and fun not to stroke my ego and win a bet.
I don't care whether or not anyone agrees with me, by the way, that's not how I operate and it's not a legitimate argument.
sooooooooooooooooooo your a troll
@Cuddles:
We interrupt this lively
debatecomplete and unholy (no offense) thrashing for this important pun
Most people, when making a grand statement, merely stand on the Soapbox.
Mr. Zephos gives us the pleasure of letting us watch him also wipe his feet all over it.
We now return to our current broadcast
Is this some kind of pathetic fellatio you give other members because you have no faculties to actually contribute to discussion yourself?
DO I think we need to kill every single member of Al qaeda? Not at all. And having a grudge against the marines and killing them in cold blood for your own amusement are too very different things. If someone kills a man because someone similar killed a family member of his, that man is still a criminal and not a good guy. Not to mention he also decided to kill the fake SHs simply because they tricked him
SoapBox.
Are you willing to bet your account on Cariboo joining?
Are you that confident?
You know what, I retract my claim on Jimbei until I've seen the actual theory behind it. I said that shit because you annoyed me, I'd rather be honest and hear it out first.
Brennen was a major pro-jinbe for crewmate supporter. You could look through those posts on this thread and also answer Brennan's arguments against your theories. Brennen is good at responding, even if it is not right away. Though you seem to only respond to posts that insult you.
But at least you admit aren't taking this seriously so you font have to respond to legit arguments against your idea.
P.S. I made a legit case two posts ago.
sooooooooooooooooooo your a troll
No.
I am not trolling anyone, I made a prediction because I wanted to try it out and thought I would enjoy the discussion that unfolded. A troll definitely would enjoy the reactions I've elicited, I have not. Oddly, it's not jerk disease or any of the people actually willing to argue that bother me though, it's the assholes who contribute nothing except to make snide remarks.
Is this some kind of pathetic fellatio you give other members because you have no faculties to actually contribute to discussion yourself?
That's nothing compared to what you're getting right now.
@ultimateclima:
Brennen was a major pro-jinbe for crewmate supporter. You could look through those posts on this thread and also answer Brennan's arguments against your theories. Brennen is good at responding, even if it is not right away. Though you seem to only respond to posts that insult you.
But at least you admit you're trolling for the lolz and aren't taking this seriously.
I have already been discussing this with Brennen and have responded to him. I didn't respond to his latest post yet because I am actively in a fast paced long as fuck discussion with Jerk Disease. If you couldn't see that I don't know what to tell you, if you've actually read the content of my posts you'd know that I have nothing but compliments for brennen. Get real.
@Cyan:
SoapBox.
Are you willing to bet your account on Cariboo joining?
Are you that confident?
I wish he was, cause I would be on that, as would so many others
@Cyan:
SoapBox.
Are you willing to bet your account on Cariboo joining?
Are you that confident?
Vanity is not something I exercise, your malicious attempt here is noted. I wish you the best in life.
Vanity is not something I exercise, your malicious attempt here is noted. I wish you the best in life.
It's called taking a stand for something you believe in and are willing to argue to the end for, it's probably the only honorable thing AGOG ever did, you do not compare to AGOG who was willing to throw this away for his belief
SoapBox<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< AGOG
be a man
plus it gives us more to laugh at when your gone
Vanity is not something I exercise, your malicious attempt here is noted. I wish you the best in life.
Is somebody…chicken?
@Robo:
The 2 groups are not even comparable.
The Marines within the world of One Piece have indisputably committed far greater atrocity than anything Al Qaeda has done.
1. Genocide.
2. Terrorism.
3. Murder.
4. Concealment of the true world history.
5. Intentional creation of "immune" criminal elements (Shichibukai)
6. Corrupt complicity in various criminal environments (Arlong Park).
Etc etc. To say that they are incomparable is inaccurate. As I said, Caribou might feel differently to you about these Marines that have actually been known to commit full on Genocide against peace loving people, in a similar way to how you feel about Al Qaeda.
Hmmm…Looks like things are rolling again in these parts. A heard a bet... GO FOR IT, GO FOR IT!!!. :ninja:
It's called taking a stand for something you believe in and are willing to argue to the end for, it's probably the only honorable thing AGOG ever did, you do not compare to AGOG who was willing to throw this away for his belief
SoapBox<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< AGOG
be a man
plus it gives us more to laugh at when your gone
This isn't some kind of reason to sacrifice anything, it's an intelligent discussion on who I believe the next nakama is going to be as is relevant with the theme of this thread. Get real.
Vanity is not something I exercise, your malicious attempt here is noted. I wish you the best in life.
Vanity?
How about committing to your cause.
It's sad when AGOG, the greatest example of when theorizing goes wrong and how fanboyism blinds, seems decent compared to you.