Last Two Nakamates (vol. 5)
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Infinity In A Finite World
Cariboo is going to be the next Strawhat. (this is JUST A PREDICTION, I don't claim to know 100%, please don't attack me for having an unconventonal theory, if you disagree, that's great, I like when people have their own opinion!)
Soapy soapy soapy soapy….I admire your tenacity.
I for one completely understand, as you know, what elements have lead you to believe that Caribou is fair game for the next SH position. But let me ask you this...haven't you noticed that you have been repeating yourself over and over again? Apparently other people don't "get" it or want to "get" it or even respect how you "got" it...even ignoring the moronic rants, raves, and bashing against you...you still maintain a civil attitude and go hard on what you believe but all that is doing is welcoming more bashers and haters. You have clearly stated (for the life of me I can't understand why 'Mega Arc' a.k.a. Saga is soooo fucking hard for people to understand) over and over again your points...there is no need to continue on with this.
There is nothing more you can say or do to flip the switch in these peoples brains for them to understand or agree with you. They are going to continue on, some with decent arguments, others just hating, and others just responding because everyone else is responding...and in the end you are going to end up in the same place you started. I say let it go....although I will admit that it is entertaining to see people make a fool of themselves when replying to your theory...it's hilarious.
Oh an be careful telling the "colored" names they are wrong....it's just going to bring an onslaught of other "colored" named people (and there followers) to try everything in there power to make you look stupid and completely debunk you...just a fair warning as it has already started.
Carry on if you will.
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@Robo:
You mean in order to kill them? He has shown zero interst in actually joining the crew.
In what way was that a deus ex machina. First off it's entirely believable for him to have captured a sea monster and used him to pull his boat. Second off, being a deus ex machina would imply that without MohMoo it would be completely inconceivable for him to reach the strawhats. This is not the case, he could easily have reached the strawhats just by using currents. The purpose of MohMoo was to introduce the concept of monsters pulling the ship, not to put Carbiou back into the plot.
So Caribou considers himself a person who "runs around the great deep and [preys] on ships"? From what I read he specifically said not to do such a thing.
He also describes the sea monster as a "demon" while he considers himself to be the opposite, a follower of god. He has been seen preying to god before he kills people.
No, if the purpose was just to introduce that "monsters can pull ships," a non named non recurring monster would be used. Moo Moo being miraculously in the same location as the Straw Hats, to be captured by Caribou and crew, when the last time we saw Moo Moo was Arlong Park arc, in East Blue, is a _deus ex machina, through and through.
It is NOT likely that Caribou would randomly capture Moo Moo, who conveniently is afraid of the strawhats and ran away (this is why he is a deus ex machina, he provides the means by which Caribou was isolated, whereas a normal sea monster pulling them would not have).
It is NOT normal that he captured Moo Moo instead of just any no name sea monster, any monster would have worked for what you described. Moo Moo was specifically used because he is afraid of the Straw Hats, you're being silly by denying this.
The deus ex machina is not him reaching the strawhats, it's him being trapped, alone with the strawhats. He would not have been trapped except for the fact that Moo Moo, who he unknowingly captured not knowing it was a monster that knew the straw hats, RAN AWAY right when he boarded the ship, leaving him effectively abandoned and TRAPPED with the Straw Hats.
This is what we know about Caribou:
1. He's ugly.
2. He's mean.
3. He kills Marines, considers them "hypocrites".
4. He joined the fake straw hat crew, trying to lure them into a false sense of security and then destroy them. Turned out they were fake, didn't work.
5. Boarded the straw hat ship with the intention of killing the Straw Hats, taking their heads and getting famous, and keeping their awesome ship made of Adam wood.
6. Failed. Began to plot taking out the straw hats from within. Showed us he was intelligent enough to act weak.This is what we know about Krakken.
1. He's ugly.
2. He's mean.
3. He kills sailors.
4. He waits in the dark for unsuspecting pirates/sailors to try and use the down current and then strikes, crushing them and their ship._ -
1. We are always in a mega arc.
2. Sendoff from Rayleigh was indication of 'transition'. Re read the chapter with the send off, which followed the time skip. You would not argue that they are finally exiting their old selves and entering the 'new' era of the story right at this very moment? They are doing it with Caribou.I would argue that. I would argue that the 2 year timeskip was the transition to the new era, not when they physically started going towards Fishman Island.
3. Shabondy Arc was a huge arc, which had smaller arcs inside of it (as did Alabasta and all the other bigger arcs), even without talking about mega arcs, in transitions from arcs like shabondy to Fishman island, or water 7 to shabondy, only the strawhats travel together, because all the other characters were just a part of that storyline except for them. The multiple little arcs were all part of the same bigger story, when that bigger story, those characters that weren't crew disappeared except to be re-appearers like Moo Moo. So for instance, when they left Alabasta, Vivi did not go with. If she had gone with, she would be a crew member. Same with Franky, except he DID go with.
As I mentioned above, besides location there is absolutely no reason to consider anything post time skip to be part of the War arc, or the "Shabondy Arc" as you call it. The war arc was all about rescuing Ace. Besides the fact that oda put a 2 year time-skip to signify the end, chapter 598-now have had absolutely nothing to do with rescuing Ace and therefor have no reason to be counted in the war arc.
4. Carribou is going from the old world to the new world with the straw hats.
He was already going there before he met the Strawhats.
He is being forced to do this by 'god' (Oda made a deus ex machina forcing Carribou's fate, this was not what Carribou was trying to do he was trying to ambush the SH and kill them take their heads and take their ship, instead he's stuck on their ship talking to them explaining about monsters and shit)
How is it a deus ex machina that Carbiou cptured a sea monster around his native habitat?
5. Carribou is going from Shabondy arc to Fishman Island Arc with the straw hats, as well.
So is this like the thrid time you've mentioned this in one post. No he's not.
6. This is only one of my points, I'm looking at the big picture.
I literally have no idea what you're saying about here.
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Caribou burys people alive for fun.
Currently, sure. In the future? Maybe not.
Why was Moo Moo used as the delivery mechanism instead of a random sea creature? Why was Moo Moo's specific fear of the Strawhats used to cause him to be trapped with the strawhats? Etcetera? I'm not trying to be rude to you, or anyone, by the way.
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Contempt breeds false judgement
Oh an be careful telling the "colored" names they are wrong….it's just going to bring an onslaught of other "colored" named people (and there followers) to try everything in there power to make you look stupid and completely debunk you...just a fair warning as it has already started.
Since i'm the only "colored" name for the past few pages, I take offense to this statement and you're profiling of me.
I just strongly disagree with the idea of Caribou for nakama.
He needs another injection of Deus Ex Machina before I could really consider his chances.
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@Robo:
I would argue that. I would argue that the 2 year timeskip was the transition to the new era, not when they physically started going towards Fishman Island.
As I mentioned above, besides location there is absolutely no reason to consider anything post time skip to be part of the War arc, or the "Shabondy Arc" as you call it. The war arc was all about rescuing Ace. Besides the fact that oda put a 2 year time-skip to signify the end, chapter 598-now have had absolutely nothing to do with rescuing Ace and therefor have no reason to be counted in the war arc.
He was already going there before he met the Strawhats.
How is it a deus ex machina that Carbiou cptured a sea monster around his native habitat?
So is this like the thrid time you've mentioned this in one post. No he's not.
I literally have no idea what you're saying about here.
Stories do not end at the "climax." It's not just Location, it's the sendoff from Rayleigh and all the others, that shows that they are only just now entering the transition. Still, you DO have a right to this opinion, so I will agree to disagree with you on that.
The Shabondy Arc was not all about rescuing Ace, if it were he would have been rescued. It served a different purpose for the Strawhat Pirates (thus, time skip).
From my perspective, that circle connected as the Strawhats left and Rayleigh told Luffy to go be a man and we discover who's hat the straw hat really is, etc. This was all the finalization of the second mega arc, "discovery" so to speak, stuff that happens in a story AFTER the climax, but before the story ends (i don't mean the whole one piece story, but the mega arc story).
So we got some huge discovery (the hat originally belonged to Roger), Strawhats have grown, and they are officially "sent off" by the previous elite Pirate era.
Luffy being given the blessing by the first mate of the former pirate king to become pirate king = still part of that mega arc (an ending feature of it).
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False Judgement Breeds Contempt
Contempt breeds false judgement
Since i'm the only "colored" name for the past few pages, I take offense to this statement and you're profiling of me.
I just strongly disagree with the idea of Caribou for nakama.
He needs another injection of Deus Ex Machina before I could really consider his chances.
Oh brother, I knew this was going to happen.
Sigh.
Monotone No Gekko, I wasn't talking about you at all. I wasn't talking about anyone…in fact I wasn't talking at all. Case closed. Story over. Period Put ---> . <–-- :wub:
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Contempt breeds false judgement
Since i'm the only "colored" name for the past few pages, I take offense to this statement and you're profiling of me.
I just strongly disagree with the idea of Caribou for nakama.
He needs another injection of Deus Ex Machina before I could really consider his chances.
I made my prediction early, not because I am 100% certain, but because I just think it's going to happen based on what I've seen. I totally understand this view that you need to see more evidence before you can reach any kind of conclusion. It's reasonable, we're in disagreement for now. My view could also change depending on what happens in the following chapters, etc, so technically I'm in the same boat. I need another deus ex machina, or some kind of plot element, to convince me he's not going to join, since I am convinced he is.
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If Caribou was a freak with plants, I would consider him as a potential nakama, sadly Ussop has taken that role.
The next nakama will be a fish-man, no longer a ship-wright, but maybe a helms-wo/man.
It's just for the lulz, it's not his fault.
I would love to see him and the idiot trio laughing at people getting buried alive.. that would be epic.
And completely unlike One Piece.
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Karaken Will Surely become a "Temporary Forced" Nakama.
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He was already going there before he met the Strawhats.
Exactly right. In other words he has his own ambitions, like all of the straw hats. Fact is, "fate" forced him to go WITH the Strawhats.
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Luffy being given the blessing by the first mate of the former pirate king to become pirate king = still part of that mega arc (an ending feature of it).
Wasn't Luffy placing his hat on the rock the end of that "mega arc" and the crew's sending off from Shabaody the start of their new adventure?
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No, if the purpose was just to introduce that "monsters can pull ships," a non named non recurring monster would be used. Moo Moo being miraculously in the same location as the Straw Hats, to be captured by Caribou and crew, when the last time we saw Moo Moo was Arlong Park arc, in East Blue, is a _deus ex machina, through and through.How miraculous that MooMoo would go back to where he lives. Total ass pull by Oda.
It is NOT likely that Caribou would randomly capture Moo Moo, who conveniently is afraid of the strawhats and ran away (this is why he is a deus ex machina, he provides the means by which Caribou was isolated, whereas a normal sea monster pulling them would not have).
It actually is like that. He lives aroung Sabaody, he got captured. There's a completely explainable reason for his presence.
It is NOT normal that he captured Moo Moo instead of just any no name sea monster, any monster would have worked for what you described. Moo Moo was specifically used because he is afraid of the Straw Hats, you're being silly by denying this.
Yes I'm aware why he was used, but deus ex machina implies that it requires you to suspend disbelief. For the third time, how is it unbelievable that MooMoo would be in the area he lives?
The deus ex machina is not him reaching the strawhats, it's him being trapped, alone with the strawhats. He would not have been trapped except for the fact that Moo Moo, who he unknowingly captured not knowing it was a monster that knew the straw hats, RAN AWAY right when he boarded the ship, leaving him effectively abandoned and TRAPPED with the Straw Hats.
Okay, but it's still not a deus ex machina because it makes sense.
This is what we know about Caribou:
1. He's ugly.
2. He's mean.
3. He kills Marines, considers them "hypocrites".
4. He joined the fake straw hat crew, trying to lure them into a false sense of security and then destroy them. Turned out they were fake, didn't work.
5. Boarded the straw hat ship with the intention of killing the Straw Hats, taking their heads and getting famous, and keeping their awesome ship made of Adam wood.
6. Failed. Began to plot taking out the straw hats from within. Showed us he was intelligent enough to act weak.How do these have anything to do with the krakken.
This is what we know about Krakken.
1. He's ugly.
2. He's mean.
3. He kills sailors.
4. He waits in the dark for unsuspecting pirates/sailors to try and use the down current and then strikes, crushing them and their ship.This is what we know about Kumadori.
1. He's Ugly.
2. He's mean.
3. He kills everybody.
4. He uses stealth to assassinate people.This is what we know about Nero.
1. He's Ugly.
2. He's mean.
3. He kills everybody.
4. He uses stealth to assassinate people.This is what we know about Fukuro.
1. He's Ugly.
2. He's mean.
3. He kills everybody.
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And i said in the spoiler thread..
"Soap", i said ,"Soap, just leave it..don`t argue about something like Caribou joining".
I said it to him in love and in a serious tone..but did he hear me?NO! ,he didn
t. He just had to bet on that 1 in a million horse, to gain one time fame. "I don
t lose anything", he said to me, with a brave voice.
I had to let him go..go into the dark fields of AP.
And what happened?
NOBODY here is anymore respecting him anymore.
RIGHTLY! of course…but still.He
s brave..he will swing his sword of unlogical arguements no matter what happens...his mind is already gone and he
s fighting for good.Remember guys..he
s a brave dude..one crazy chara in OP made him a "i knew who will be the new nakama hurhur..let
s predict the next best hurhur"I know it
s nothing special here to write 10 pages of senseless debatting.. but "I don
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The New Face Of The Straw Hats
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Exactly right. In other words he has his own ambitions, like all of the straw hats. Fact is, "fate" forced him to go WITH the Strawhats.
Let me ask you this.
Can you honestly picture Caribou in a "happy-go-lucky" "animal loving" themed colorspread with the rest of the SH's?
Do you think his character design would be forgiving enough for him to be considered a Straw Hat? Even with his demon ears, psychopathic eyes, and long ass grotesque tongue?
One thing is for sure….there is nothing grotesque about the current SH's....
The "change" that Caribou would have to go through would also have to alter his physical appearance as well...and as of now...that's asking for too damn much for a guy who originally would have ruthlessly slaughtered the SH's if he had a chance....JUST THINK OF WHAT HE WOULD HAVE DONE TO POOR LITTLE CHOPPER!
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@Freddy:
Wasn't Luffy placing his hat on the rock the end of that "mega arc" and the crew's sending off from Shabaody the start of their new adventure?
Arguably, here is where there is some uncertainty. My view is that the when Rayleigh told him "go be pirate king" that was basically when the threshold of the 'end' was occurring. Oddly, I don't remember Luffy placing his hat on the rock and need to read it before I can fully answer you (I'll be back in a minute).
If you mean the thing he did with rayleigh to honor his dead brother, no i don't think that was the end of the story, I think that was Luffy honoring his dead brother. The point of the story wasn't "ace is dead", that was a significant event, but not the point. Until he overcame the underlying issue surrounding Ace's death (not strong enough to protect anyone in the New World), he could not even consider beginning that journey. After Ace died, this was just simply more clear to him, so it was not the beginning, he had to solve the problem (time skip) and then set off.
I think that him setting sail is the start of the new journey.
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The New Face Of The Straw Hats
Let me ask you this.
Can you honestly picture Caribou in a "happy-go-lucky" "animal loving" themed colorspread with the rest of the SH's?
Do you think his character design would be forgiving enough for him to be considered a Straw Hat? Even with his demon ears, psychopathic eyes, and long ass grotesque tongue?
One thing is for sure….there is nothing grotesque about the current SH's....
The "change" that Caribou would have to go through would also have to alter his physical appearance as well...and as of now...that's asking for too damn much for a guy who originally would have ruthlessly slaughtered the SH's if he had a chance....JUST THINK OF WHAT HE WOULD HAVE DONE TO POOR LITTLE CHOPPER!
Interesting question.
Let me ask you this. When Robin was screaming that she wanted to die could you imagine her in a fun loving color spread?
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The Shackles of Fate
@Sage:Oh brother, I knew this was going to happen.
Sigh.
Monotone No Gekko, I wasn't talking about you at all. I wasn't talking about anyone…in fact I wasn't talking at all. Case closed. Story over. Period Put ---> . <–-- :wub:
It's cool Sage, I just get a little heated when referred to as "colored".
I can't help that I was born this way. But deep down, we're all very much alike.
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I just get a little heated when referred to as "colored".
I can't help that I was born this way. But deep down, we're all very much alike.
We all know you`re Jewish.
not good from a german guy i guess:wassat: -
Now the next bullshit theories rise up… Maybe Oda shouldn't include new people to this manga...
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i feel that oda makes his tongue so long just so that the readers feel hes grotesque (a guy with a tongue like that could lick his face clean :D )
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Stories do not end at the "climax." It's not just Location, it's the sendoff from Rayleigh and all the others, that shows that they are only just now entering the transition. Still, you DO have a right to this opinion, so I will agree to disagree with you on that.
The Shabondy Arc was not all about rescuing Ace, if it were he would have been rescued. It served a different purpose for the Strawhat Pirates (thus, time skip).
From my perspective, that circle connected as the Strawhats left and Rayleigh told Luffy to go be a man and we discover who's hat the straw hat really is, etc. This was all the finalization of the second mega arc, "discovery" so to speak, stuff that happens in a story AFTER the climax, but before the story ends (i don't mean the whole one piece story, but the mega arc story).
So we got some huge discovery (the hat originally belonged to Roger), Strawhats have grown, and they are officially "sent off" by the previous elite Pirate era.
Luffy being given the blessing by the first mate of the former pirate king to become pirate king = still part of that mega arc (an ending feature of it).
No. The timeskip ended the arc. It's incredibly obvious.
Anyways, I can't dirty my name by spamming the forum with arguments with trolls like yourself, so this is over.
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@Don:
We all know you`re Jewish.
not good from a german guy i guess:wassat:Was that a money joke? They take lessons from me btw.
It's reasonable, we're in disagreement for now.
Oh you don't need to worry about me. Nowadays I come and go like money spent. I'd focus your time and energy for the more talkative users.
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Literal LoL's and The Shackled Boobs Of Fate And Colorspreads
Interesting question.
Let me ask you this. When Robin was screaming that she wanted to die could you imagine her in a fun loving color spread?
The answer is: Yes.
Why? Well that answer is also as simple as the previous one: Boobs
But in all honesty, Robin (and that little situation she went through back in the day) has nothing to do in comparison to Caribou (and the big situation he is in now). In fact they are probably the complete opposite in SOOOO many elements haha.
Robin never had to undergo any physical transformation for her to meet the
"Mugiwara Standards of design", Caribou would have to (on top of a mental transformation as well)The Shackles of Fate
It's cool Sage, I just get a little heated when referred to as "colored".
I can't help that I was born this way. But deep down, we're all very much alike.
I literally Lol'd and almost got fired…thanks....leave it up to the "colored" namers to put my job at risk. What's next...your moving into my neighborhood too!?
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Was that a money joke? They take lessons from me btw.
I was talking about your nose.
But yeah money-joke lessons can`t be bad i guess.
You have me on Skype, so just send me the stuff i need for the next class. -
Now the next bullshit theories rise up… Maybe Oda shouldn't include new people to this manga...
Hey, it's supposed to be a good thing that more people are getting into this manga. It shows how successful he is. Besides, it's likely a lot of these guys were on other forums before coming by here. They're the ones responsible…
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Hey, it's supposed to be a good thing that more people are getting into this manga. It shows how successful he is. Besides, it's likely a lot of these guys were on other forums before coming by here. They're the ones responsible…
What?`Read my post once again…
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Robin never had to undergo any physical transformation for her to meet the
"Mugiwara Standards of design", Caribou would have to (on top of a mental transformation as well)Hey, Robin also needed a long and hard handling before she accepted that she could say that she wants to be alive.
Doc Luffy and the rest of the crew rly did everything to change her mind there at EL. -
One question… So Caribou will simply abadon his brother and crew and even if she meets them once again he will say f*** you all and Luffy will be amazed.
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I literally Lol'd and almost got fired…thanks....leave it up to the "colored" namers to put my job at risk. What's next...your moving into my neighborhood too!?
We're already there.
@Don- I'm not sure if Michael Douglas is jewish…. checks.. hah! he's half jewish. Well that explains some things.
Me? I'm a shareholder.. religion doesn't really apply.
But this thread needs to return to it's wacky topic, so i'll jet out of here.
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Interesting question.
Let me ask you this. When Robin was screaming that she wanted to die could you imagine her in a fun loving color spread?
Wasn't she in one before that arc?
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Interesting question.
Let me ask you this. When Robin was screaming that she wanted to die could you imagine her in a fun loving color spread?
Yes, since her smile when she met the strawhats for the first time was very gentle and calming.
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Oh an be careful telling the "colored" names they are wrong… just a fair warning as it has already started.
Monotone No Gekko, I wasn't talking about you at all. I wasn't talking about anyone…in fact I wasn't talking at all. Case closed.
But you were. Not only did you blanket all colored names, but you directly stated it had already started happening…? Just curious, as I am technically a "colored name" as well.
My view could also change depending on what happens in the following chapters, etc, so technically I'm in the same boat. I need another deus ex machina, or some kind of plot element, to convince me he's not going to join, since I am convinced he is.
Speaking of, you never responded to [[URL="http://forums.arlongpark.net/showpost.php?p=1985961&postcount=9001"]my post]. Also, please stop saying deus ex machina.
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By The Beard Of Zeus And All That Is Colored
But you were. Not only did you blanket all colored names, but you directly stated it had already started happening…? Just curious, as I am technically a "colored name" as well.
.Yes Brennen…I was totally talking about you...about how your rude and obnoxious...about how your pompous and conceded....how you debunk every theory known to man....how you continue to do so and yet gain admin status.....YOU ARE THE "COLORED" PEOPLE...NO ONE ELSE BUT YOU! Clear?
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LOL @ colored names.
That level of racist humor is golden.
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Dem Some You Win…and Dim Sum You Lose
@Zik:
LOL @ colored names.
That level of racist humor is golden.
Don't get mad because your not of the "colored"! They are a special people!
It's Zik of the Seven Swords…not Seven COLORS!:wub:
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No, if the purpose was just to introduce that "monsters can pull ships," a non named non recurring monster would be used. Moo Moo being miraculously in the same location as the Straw Hats, to be captured by Caribou and crew, when the last time we saw Moo Moo was Arlong Park arc, in East Blue, is a _deus ex machina, through and through.
It is NOT likely that Caribou would randomly capture Moo Moo, who conveniently is afraid of the strawhats and ran away (this is why he is a deus ex machina, he provides the means by which Caribou was isolated, whereas a normal sea monster pulling them would not have).
You wouldn't go to TVTropes by any chance.
You write like someone who has._
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Hahahah so the Caribou will join movement has already started, good.
After Iva's comment on how every crew needed a black sheep, I always thought a semi-bad guy would join the SHs, but there's where it ends for Caribou.- he got longer than long sleeves. I hate that.
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The sleeves killed the deal for me. He looks like he's been rolling around in grease.
His breath probably smells just like that shit eating grin he's wearing.
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What exactly have I been missing here? It's too hilarious!
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Caribou is the best nakama candidate we've had for years. He makes more sense then all the candidates of the past year combined.
But I don't really want him to join. He's best as a comic relief right now. A pet Kraken would be nice. All good families need a pet, and Chopper is clearly people. Though there's just as good a chance that the crew will beat this thing and move on. Still, with Moomoh making a comback maybe there are more swimming beasts in this area?
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Yes Brennen…I was totally talking about you...about how your rude and obnoxious...about how your pompous and conceded....how you debunk every theory known to man....how you continue to do so and yet gain admin status.....YOU ARE THE "COLORED" PEOPLE...NO ONE ELSE BUT YOU! Clear?
Am I missing some strange sense of humor here, or are you really getting this defensive?
Caribou is the best nakama candidate we've had for years. He makes more sense then all the candidates of the past year combined.
No way. But seriously, isn't this what people wanted? Or perhaps 'predicted' is more accurate. That is, the first new person to get panel time would be suggested as the next crew member. Hahaha, Caribou is almost literally the first new person to get a fair amount of panel time, and sure enough…
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Am I missing some strange sense of humor here, or are you really getting this defensive?
He must be mad that you reached Admin status 10 years before you even joined AP. (seriously, did you do that or is that a bug?)