Disney animation thread

jadiesama

@OP:

I don't have anything against CG films. I've seen some great ones. Its just that it has replaced traditional animation. Its more cost effective and the audience prefers CG more than traditional. Disney has closed all their animations studios and there are no plans from Dreamworks, that I know of, to release traditional animation either. It the end of an era.

i realize that but some people are treating CG films like they're the black plague.

Classic animation has distinct limits. Do a 360 degree pan, it's free in CGI and potentially quite costly in traditional.

But you still have to model the character, model the background, model any props, rig the character, texture and light everything, lighting wich is usually about thirty to two hundred individual lights, animate, and render, so while in computer animation you might just have to do is set key frames, there is a great deal more you have to deal with because everything is in three dimensions.

Bounty1Berry

Well, I meant "free" in terms of human effort. Once you have the models for other purposes, panning and rotating however you want doesn't require any extra labor, but to do it in 2D means drawing hundreds of frames.

CosmicDebris

There's still a lot of human effort involved. And computers are also used in 2D animation a lot these days to make it easier and cheaper. While 3D can do some things 2D can't, it's also true of the reverse. There's a certain surreal quality about 2D that 3D just doesn't capture. I will always like 2D animation better.
I think maybe part of it is that sometimes I think they're trying to look TOO real.
With 3D animation, I think it is most successful when a subject matter that really brings out potential of 3D is used. Toy Story was an excellent example. (Most Pixar films, are, actually.) Toy Story would not have been as effective in 2D. But there's some movies that I think would have looked better in 2D. And I really can't stand any 3D animated series. They are all pretty bad.
My favorite examples of 3D animation are when it's used in conjunction with live-action movies. That is where I think it really is beneficial to film making.

Senshi Mizaka

Some of the animators in the older Disney movies probably got bored, so they had a little fun behind the director's back. They snuck some mature stuff in. I don't know if any of you remember it, but it was there. In The Little Mermaid, if you look closley, that castle looks like a bunch of penises. And there's a scene when a priest gets a boner. My brother and I noticed it, and kept rewinding. We heard about it before, and when we saw it, we were cracking up so hard. I think when they re-released it on DVD, they edited it. This is the only time I'll say this, but good thing I still have the VHS copy.

jadiesama

@Senshi:

In The Little Mermaid, if you look closley, that castle looks like a bunch of penises..

That is actually NOT true. It's just coincidence. They weren't meant to look like penises. The priest thing, is true.

There's a whole bunch of little secrets in some of the other movies, too. When they first released the Rescuers there was a small clip where in the background you can see a topless woman. You can't find it anymore because i think they removed it before any VHS copies were made.

Forte EXE

I have just got to see a screenshot of the priest thing.
It will most probably ruin my childhood,but at least it'll go our with a bang.(Or half and hours worth of laughing like a maniac)

Senshi Mizaka

I've never actually noticed this, but there was one in Aladin, too. If you turn up the volume at one scene, you hear something like "Now take off your pants.".

Ms. Suave Debonair

Although the penis thing on the front cover is neccisarily true, there is something else on the original front cover of 'the little mermaid'

Aeriel and the prince guy and next to each other. If you look at it, the prince's hand is hidden behind a rock, just in front of his crotch and Aeriel is looking down in it's generally direction with a smile on her face. XD
This is only on the original though because they changed it after they realised.

Edit: I managed to get a copy of teh image…

Ubiq

@Senshi:

If you turn up the volume at one scene, you hear something like "Now take off your pants.".

Actually, it's "good kitty, now take off, go!"

Aladdin says it to Rajah during the balcony sequence right before he and Jasmine go on their date.

bevin

The priest in the Little Mermaid isn't true either; it's his foot. If you watch other scenes in there, you can see he's standing on a box and his robe is too long. Just about all of the Disney "dirty shots" are things like that that have been blown out of proportion. Pretty sure the one from Roger Rabbit's real, though my copy of that movie is old and was taped off TV anyway, so it's hard to tell.

CosmicDebris

I know one that was definately true, a teacher I had that worked for Disney was actually the first person I heard mention it. In the Lion King, when Simba flops down on a cliff and some dust flies in the air, spelling the word "Sex". I don't remember if they changed that later or not, I'll have to check my LK special edtion dvd.

Forte EXE

Hahahaha,yeah,I remember seeing that once.
I went "WTF,what did I just see?"

Senshi Mizaka

@bevin:

The priest in the Little Mermaid isn't true either; it's his foot. If you watch other scenes in there, you can see he's standing on a box and his robe is too long. Just about all of the Disney "dirty shots" are things like that that have been blown out of proportion. Pretty sure the one from Roger Rabbit's real, though my copy of that movie is old and was taped off TV anyway, so it's hard to tell.

No no, Bevin; you don't understand; it was animated. We actually saw a lump in his pants get longer. That pretty much proves how bored the animators get.

Buuhan1

This was talked about awhile ago but Pixars contract with Disney expired? Didn't they just do Chicken Little?

Ms. Suave Debonair

I know a list of things disney has been accused or rumored to have added over the years, below are some of the ones I known:

The little mermaid, the priest 'erection' it has been taked about many a time, I believe that this is simply just his knee. It isn't easy to tell from certain shots but from others it's clearly visable as a knee.

The lion king's "sex" dust cloud is one that I am still not 100% on. While others claim it says S-E-X, other claim it simply says s-F-x.

There is also a rumor abbout a topless women in 'The Rescuers' This is 100% TRUE, I've watched the film and I have spotted it for myself. I couldn't get a clip myself but I managed to find an image on the internet..

Finally, is one that someone mentioned before was Roger Rabbit, I assume you were talking about the no underwear scene? That is also hard to determine, apparantly it is only seen for 4 frames but I'll let you be the judge…...

There are probably many more but these are the only ones I have seen.

Senshi Mizaka

@Bad-Beat:

I know a list of things disney has been accused or rumored to have added over the years, below are some of the ones I known:

The little mermaid, the priest 'erection' it has been taked about many a time, I believe that this is simply just his knee. It isn't easy to tell from certain shots but from others it's clearly visable as a knee.

The lion king's "sex" dust cloud is one that I am still not 100% on. While others claim it says S-E-X, other claim it simply says s-F-x.

There is also a rumor abbout a topless women in 'The Rescuers' This is 100% TRUE, I've watched the film and I have spotted it for myself. I couldn't get a clip myself but I managed to find an image on the internet..

Finally, is one that someone mentioned before was Roger Rabbit, I assume you were talking about the no underwear scene? That is also hard to determine, apparantly it is only seen for 4 frames but I'll let you be the judge…...

There are probably many more but these are the only ones I have seen.

Dude; those are so wrong! But, that kind of proves the point I made earlier. Ah; I should be glad for those guy for sneaking them in.

CosmicDebris

@Buuhan1:

This was talked about awhile ago but Pixars contract with Disney expired? Didn't they just do Chicken Little?

Nope, Pixar had nothing to do with Chicken Little.

jadiesama

The next Pixar film is going to be coming out next summer, and it doesn't look all that appealing to me.

taboo

'Cars' right? I hope it's good…. I can't really tell because I've only seen bits of it. :/

Anyway, about the hidden disney stuff: http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Disney.html

bevin

@Senshi:

No no, Bevin; you don't understand; it was animated. We actually saw a lump in his pants get longer. That pretty much proves how bored the animators get.

No, we had a small section on this very subject in one of my film classes years ago, we watched the scene; it was the guy's foot or knee or whatever. We all saw it.

The Lion King "sex" thing was the one no one could definitively prove or disprove, we watched it in slo-mo and it spells something but we weren't sure exactly what it was.

CosmicDebris

It's ambiguous. ^_^

I'm not all that sure about the Cars movie either…but then I remember thinking that Finding Nemo didn't look all that interesting from the previews either, but it was good...although not one of my favorites. My favorites are still Monsters Inc., Toy Story, and the Incredibles.

Kiden4911

Disney is going down the tube. Its as simple as that. They dont even bother competing with pixar in the family movie compartment that much anymore. Half their movies nowadays are for preteens. disneys last great movie was lion king and even that wasnt THAT good. As for Toy Story 3 made without pixar….im not sure if thats possible...pixar prtty much did everything and disney just distributed

as for the hidden sexual stuff in their movies...if it was only one id understand that it was some mistake or something...but in at least 3 of their movies? thats too suspicious...

Anime Master

What about Snow White? The dwarves were named after the Herroine stages. From feeling dopey to needing to go to thedoc.

Ms. Suave Debonair

@Anime:

What about Snow White? The dwarves were named after the Herroine stages. From feeling dopey to needing to go to thedoc.

That's actual a false rumour sorry to disappiont you.

Senshi Mizaka

Yeah; some things in Disney look and sound wrong out of context. But, there've been countless times that they've put jokes kids wouldn't understand.

OP Man

Its funny. This is my first time hearing about "boner" in Little Mermaid, and a day after reading this thread. I was watching I love the 80s 3D on VH1 and sure enough they was talking about the "boner".

CosmicDebris

Yes, we're really hip on all the hot subjects in the media here on AP. XD You heard it here first, folks!

CC ann

@Forte:

I loved that trailer for Chicken Little!
BGM…Dragostea din Tei.Awesome.
And also,Lilo and Stitch will be guest starring Kim Possible?!?
That's two different art styles!
I think they'll pull a Jimmy Neutron and Fairy Oddparents special style..(3D Timmy,2D Jimmy)

I got to see those crossovers. the jimmy neutron and Fairly Odd parents, same goes with the lilo and stitch with the proud family.

But I didnt see the lilo and stitch meets the recess gang…

Forte EXE

Dammit,that post is so old…but strangely,after a week of posting that post,I watched the Jimmy Timmy Power Hour on my cable TV...strange,no?
I also saw the L&S meet Recess ep.

Malintex_Terek

Toy Story 3? The series had a nice ending; futhermore, Jim Varney died. The series won't be the same, especially after Pixar, and since Shrek doesn't do very well in ratings and dies quickly in terms of popuarity, a TS3 will be a victory for DreamWorks (who are creating a Shrek 3).

taboo

@Malintex_Terek:

Toy Story 3? The series had a nice ending; futhermore, Jim Varney died. The series won't be the same, especially after Pixar, and since Shrek doesn't do very well in ratings and dies quickly in terms of popuarity, a TS3 will be a victory for DreamWorks (who are creating a Shrek 3).

Huh? Disney is going to do TS3. They're going to use the studio that did Chicken Little and Dinosaur.

Malintex_Terek

Abyssmal. Disney is rotting.

Ms. Suave Debonair

@Malintex_Terek:

Abyssmal. Disney is rotting.

Yeah but he has been dead for quite a few number of years so what do you expect? XD

OP Man

@CosmicDebris:

Yes, we're really hip on all the hot subjects in the media here on AP. XD You heard it here first, folks!

That's right! If can't trust information you get from an internet forum then you can't trust anyone.

Didn't Disney and Pixar patch things up? I would be interested in TS3 if they show the final fate of the gang. Will they be thrown away and forced to fend for themselves at the dump until they find a new home? Or will they get pasted on to Andy's kids?

I see they're promoting Chicken Little everywhere, but they don't show any new footage from the movie or even tell us what the story is all about. That's not a good sign. Though I admit seeing Chicken Little dancing to Sister Sledge's "Greatest Dancer" made me laugh.

Satsuki

The last straw for me was when Disney disbanded their animation studios to concentrate exclusively on CGI films. That was just unforgiveable. They have no consideration for what Disney used to idealize.

Disney can be saved . . . . . but it's gonna take a ton of work and one messiah-like head honcho to do it.

Forte EXE

Chicken Little was awesome.
Ton's of spoofs and gags!
Especially Runt going "Darth Vader was Luke's father!?!?"
Then everyone looks at him wierd.

taboo

I just saw Chicken Little yesterday. xDD Review time!

Bad: It's a pretty big kid's movie but there are alot of jokes that younger aged children wouldn't get. There was an unhealty amount of 'other media' references, like a bunch of Odies and that Darth Vader thing (which some of it was cute like the Ladie's Man thing, but some of it was to cliched) And they said pee like, 15 times for that crude humor. xP Personally, I thought they did some overkill on the father and son thing (my little sister picked up on this too), and just… a bunch of little things.

Good: DANG, I didn't think they'd pull it off. xD Not only was the art on par with some of Pixar's stuff, but I love the style the did with the whole movie. All the animals were so awsome looking (especially Foxy Loxy with the huge teeth xD). The movement was very fast paced smooth for the most part. Aliens tend to freak me out if done well too. There is some good humor in the movie too that made me laugh out loud.

Bleh, do we really need a remake of the Shaggy Dog? Starring Tim Allen rehashing cliched Disney storylines of a father needing to reconnect with his family? Hilarity ensues?

OMG Pirates of the Carribean II, X men III, Chronicles of Narnia ;lajsflasjd;lksjdfl;sdfjfa;sldj I gotta go see those movies~

Oh, and has anybody heard about that 2D Curious George movie coming out? It looks really really cute! It's from... Imagine Studios?

CosmicDebris

I'm just…not interested in seeing Chicken Little. Good to hear it has some redeeming qualities, though.
I did hear about the Curious George movie. It's 2D? And Will Farrel is in it? o.O Strange.

OP Man

@CosmicDebris:

I'm just…not interested in seeing Chicken Little. Good to hear it has some redeeming qualities, though.

I'm on the fence as to whether or not to see this movie. I'll decide next Saturday.

@taboo:

Bleh, do we really need a remake of the Shaggy Dog? Starring Tim Allen rehashing cliched Disney storylines of a father needing to reconnect with his family? Hilarity ensues?

No we don't. If it succesful we can have the Shaggy DA. This scenario is played out and I think they made a TV remake a few years ago. Then there's the Herbie the love bug remake. Guh!!!
@taboo:

OMG Pirates of the Carribean II, X men III, Chronicles of Narnia. I gotta go see those movies~

Oh yeah definetely going to see X Men III
@taboo:

;lajsflasjd;lksjdfl;sdfjfa;sldj

I didn't know you were into avant garde foreign filmsXD
@taboo:

Oh, and has anybody heard about that 2D Curious George movie coming out? It looks really really cute! It's from… Imagine Studios?

Yeah, read about it in the paper.
@CosmicDebris:

I did hear about the Curious George movie. It's 2D? And Will Farrel is in it? o.O Strange.

Will Farrel plays "the man in the yellow hat". The character will have an expanded role.

Forte EXE

I dunno why so many people don't like CL.
I watched it again yesterday.
Best part was the end with the macho Ace CL.

normyk

Last I heard on Toy Story 3 was that John Ratzenberger (Hamm) wasn't going to do it if Pixar wasn't involved. So… no Slink (Jim Varney - R.I.P.) and no Hamm... as good as the animators at Disney's CG studio have gotten and as much as I love Disney I just don't know if I can get behind TS3 without some of my favorite voices. Not to mention the Pixar writers. I'm not optimistic.

Keroro

Toy Story 3!? I think 2 was good enough. Having a third would ruin it

Forbidden Toast

Sequals are going to destroy Disney, end of story. (well, not literally, they will probably still be filthy rich XD)

I remember the good ol` days where everything was original…

jadiesama

I have yet to see Chicken Little, but i'll probably catch it in a few weeks when it goes to DVD. I've heard mostly bad reviews, but at least it was better than the train wrecks Dreamworks has been putting out. coughMadagascarandASharksTalecough

Toy Story 3…eh...I'm probably not even going to waste my money on it. I have very little faith in Disney anymore, and like normyk said it won't be the same without John Ratzenberger and Jim Varney.

and on a side note, Pixar has put Ratzenberger in every one of their movies since Toy Story. he's been deemed Pixar's good luck charm, and it looks alot that way.

Satsuki

That's because John Ratzenberger rocks. Woot Cheers!!!

The idea of Toy Story 3 makes me groan. We don't need another one! 2 ended with a perfect ending, you can't take it further!

Chicken Little looks promising. But I heard it's really forced.

The only movies I'm looking forward to are Harry Potter, Narnia, Pirates of the Carribbean 2 (if only for Johnny Depp), and X-Men 3. Although the fact that they lost Brian Singer makes me nervous.

Forte EXE

CL isn't that forced…and I'm REALLY looking forward to the premiere of HP on my b-day.
And I finally figured out the source of your username,Satsuki.

@Satsuki:

That's because John Ratzenberger rocks. Woot Cheers!!!

The idea of Toy Story 3 makes me groan. We don't need another one! 2 ended with a perfect ending, you can't take it further!

Chicken Little looks promising. But I heard it's really forced.

The only movies I'm looking forward to are Harry Potter, Narnia, Pirates of the Carribbean 2 (if only for Johnny Depp), and X-Men 3. Although the fact that they lost Brian Singer makes me nervous.

I agree %100 (not the jhonny Depp part though :rolleyes: ) every since Matrix and Lord of the rings stopped theres no real big movies too look foward too ESPECIALLY from disney, all they seem interested in doing is making crapy remakes.

Although Kingdom Hearts 2 is going too rock <3

Buuhan1

@Zero:

I agree %100 (not the jhonny Depp part though :rolleyes: ) every since Matrix and Lord of the rings stopped theres no real big movies too look foward too ESPECIALLY from disney, all they seem interested in doing is making crapy remakes.

Although Kingdom Hearts 2 is going too rock <3

I agree with all this but Lotr sucked for me and the matrix wasn't that good but I watched them.

taboo

@jadiesama:

but at least it was better than the train wrecks Dreamworks has been putting out. coughMadagascarandASharksTalecough

Did anybody even go to that pidgeon movie that came out about a month ago?

Toy Story 3…eh...I'm probably not even going to waste my money on it.

I half hope it happens. xD I'll go to the theater just to see the total suckfest. It'll be a landmark flop. XD

Chicken Little looks promising. But I heard it's really forced

Yeah. I really hated the beginning. It was terrible, how many times are they going to use the 'Lion King opener' gag? >< But the rest of the movie was tolerable. It was really a dorky story~ Although Fish-outta-water was the most excellent Disney character in a long long time. XD

jadiesama

@taboo:

Did anybody even go to that pidgeon movie that came out about a month ago?

Valiant? No. I wanted to because i have a strange fascination with World War II, but i heard it was rather dissapointing and that they were afraid to say the word 'Nazi'. I mean, yea it is a kids movie, but it's not a bad thing to know who the allies fought.