Actually, no
I put the Admirals on S+
That's another mistake in that list, IMO
Shichibukai strength
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Actually, no
I put the Admirals on S+
That's another mistake in that list, IMOAdmirals are not S+.
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Actually, no
I put the Admirals on S+
That's another mistake in that list, IMOOk, then you can put Doflamingo there.
Admirals are not S+.
From what we saw, they could be. Aka Inu was able to wound badly Whitebeard.
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DoFlamingo was holding Joz back not because he couldn't do anything else, but because of his personality of having fun with his opponents
Kuma was tagged by a Zoro due to underestimation, I don't think that would be a problem against someone stronger.And Dexter is insane, no matter how righteous your reasons are, murderers = not cool
Although I am not planning on discussing that here, LOLYou don't know that.
Underestimation doesn't matter. Top tiers cannot be tagged by people as lowly as Zoro regardless of situation. Even Vs. each other tagging each other is difficult. WB bitch-slapped Ace in his sleep, there is no getting around the huge gap.
Even if everything you said is all true that still doesn't point to them having the offensive ability, attack speed, reaction time, and durability remotely comparable to an Admiral and capable of bulldozing through other A-class fighters. There is nothing indicating Don&Kuma are on a level that Ace&Jimbei, who were one-shotted each by a real top tier, would be destroyed by them with ease. No reason Ace&Jimbei automatically loose in the first place. Does Kuma getting his brain back mean he owns Iva as badly as Akainu did? Iva stated he was stronger than Kuma before he became a Cyborg so he is likely experienced dealing with the Paw Paw fruit. Why he would likely loose its not a stomp like it would be agaisnt Garp or an Admiral.
Insane means you cannot tell right from wrong. Nothing to do with opinion or upbringing you simply cannot mentally process such ideas. Entire purpose of the series is Dexter figuring out the difference.
@Tsukishima Luffy hurt Teach. Does that mean he is on his level? Admirals were matched by Marco, Beckman held up Kizaru, and Akainu was two shotted by WB. You think other Yonkou would be two-shotted by WB or each other(sans instant kill moves)? Thought it was quite clear Yonkou are on a level of their own with only Dragon likely equal them, basically being a 5th land based Emperor. 5-Star dialogue in the newest chapter even backs up that idea since they say only the Yonkou or all the WB pirates could stop Teach. Not their own Admirals.
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You don't know that.
Luffy hurt Teach. Does that mean he is on his level? Admirals were matched by Marco, Beckman held up Kizaru, and Akainu was two shotted by WB. You think other Yonkou would be two-shotted by WB or each other(sans instant kill moves)? Thought it was quite clear Yonkou are on a level of their own with only Dragon likely equal them, basically being a 5th land based Emperor. 5-Star dialogue in the newest chapter even backs up that idea since they say only the Yonkou or all the WB pirates could stop Teach. Not their own Admirals.wait, beckman had absolutely no effect on kizaru at all. kizaru just did his own shit anyway.
also, akainu was not two-shotted by WB, seeing as how he got back up to give luffy the fist right away.that said, the yonkou DO seems to be a class above the admirals merely because if they weren't, then the marines could just take them out.
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Ok, then you can put Doflamingo there.
From what we saw, they could be. Aka Inu was able to wound badly Whitebeard.
Your sentence structure makes me rage.
The admirals are not S+ They only possible S+ people would be Black Beard because of the TWO dfs he has and Dragon.
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No one before willing to answer basic questions?
wait, beckman had absolutely no effect on kizaru at all. kizaru just did his own shit anyway.
also, akainu was not two-shotted by WB, seeing as how he got back up to give luffy the fist right away.that said, the yonkou DO seems to be a class above the admirals merely because if they weren't, then the marines could just take them out.
Akainu got up minutes later not right away. He didn't get back until WB was already dead and even after Teach extracted the Gura Gura. If that wasn't a warzone and WB didn't have to turn his attention to the marines Akainu would have been all the more screwed. If Akainu was still conscious he would have continued retaliating against WB. Instead his ass was dropped into a ravine and he just happened to regain consciousness later after lots of shit went down.
WB in contrast got a sword through his abdomen before he ever set foot on the battlefield and then tanked attacks from akainu twice, Kizaru, and many marines. He took and dished out far more punishment and I see no reason the situation would be drastically different if it were another Yonkou in his position.
Beckman got an Admiral to pause. Thats more than 95% of the rest of the cast could accomplish. That means he could have done something to an Admiral, at range no less. Only reason he really didn't is because Shanks didn't come there with the intention to fight. How effective he would have been is unknown but he was still perceived a threat.
So two DF automatically boosts you above all others. Thats like saying having no DF means your weaker than everybody with one. Even with the Gura Gura WB at full health was likely stronger than Teach and BB admitted he didn't want to fight Shanks yet despite believing he could take on Sengoku&Garp with his crew.
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WB in contrast got a sword through his abdomen before he ever set foot on the battlefield and then tanked attacks from akainu twice, Kizaru, and many marines. He took and dished out far more punishment and I see no reason the situation would be drastically different if it were another Yonkou in his position.
So two DF automatically boosts you above all others. That's like saying having no DF means your weaker than everybody with one. Even with the Gura Gura WB at full health was likely stronger than Teach and BB admitted he didn't want to fight Shanks yet despite believing he could take on Sengoku&Garp with his crew.
I think the fact that Whitebeard is also considered the strongest man in the world should be taken as a factor here. If it were any other yonkou, they'd be strong sure, but as you say if the admirals aren't strong enough to kill off all the Yonkou… Who's to say the Yonkou are in the same boat about killing off the admirals?
And... I think BB thought he could take on everyone that was there. I mean not only Garp and Sengoku but also all the WB pirates who would obviously attack him. I think he was more in a rage state, just being the idiot that he is trying to sink the island. Note, he was sinking it, not attacking anyone. If Sengoku and Garp used to fight Gol Roger who was undoubtedly near WB in strength. Using that as a basis Sengoku and Garp could've taken on Teach. I feel like there's more to it with him and Shanks. Or when Shanks showed up he had a jolt of reality. Or even the fact that they were all uninjured and had become another party in the figth.
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I think the fact that Whitebeard is also considered the strongest man in the world should be taken as a factor here. If it were any other yonkou, they'd be strong sure, but as you say if the admirals aren't strong enough to kill off all the Yonkou… Who's to say the Yonkou are in the same boat about killing off the admirals?
Just becuase you are able to kill someone doesn't automatically mean you go out and do it. I'm sure Shanks could eat Akainu alive (overexaggeration it wouldn't be that one sided) but does that mean hes going to waltz on over to marinefold and do it.
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Just becuase you are able to kill someone doesn't automatically mean you go out and do it. I'm sure Shanks could eat Akainu alive (overexaggeration it wouldn't be that one sided) but does that mean hes going to waltz on over to marinefold and do it.
His argument was that the Admirals have to be weaker than the Yonkou because they haven't just killed them off yet. I don't think that's true. I believe that they're all probably generally equal in power, and from there based on strategy and situation is who wins. People can't accept this, and expect clear cut power levels.
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His argument was that the Admirals have to be weaker than the Yonkou because they haven't just killed them off yet. I don't think that's true. I believe that they're all probably generally equal in power, and from there based on strategy and situation is who wins. People can't accept this, and expect clear cut power levels.
Obviously strategy and situation plays a huge part, things are very circumstantial, however, you're like "they're all probably generally equal in power," goes to show you still expect power levels of some kind as well. I won't speak for all Yonkou, but I think Shanks > an admiral.
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Just putting it out here but i think Moria is stronger than Hancock.
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Just putting it out here but i think Moria is stronger than Hancock.
at the moment: BB > Mihawk > Doflamingo & Kuma > Jinbei > Moria > HancockIf you moved Hancock up above Jimbei, I think you just might have it.
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I think the fact that Whitebeard is also considered the strongest man in the world should be taken as a factor here. If it were any other yonkou, they'd be strong sure, but as you say if the admirals aren't strong enough to kill off all the Yonkou… Who's to say the Yonkou are in the same boat about killing off the admirals?
And… I think BB thought he could take on everyone that was there. I mean not only Garp and Sengoku but also all the WB pirates who would obviously attack him. I think he was more in a rage state, just being the idiot that he is trying to sink the island. Note, he was sinking it, not attacking anyone. If Sengoku and Garp used to fight Gol Roger who was undoubtedly near WB in strength. Using that as a basis Sengoku and Garp could've taken on Teach. I feel like there's more to it with him and Shanks. Or when Shanks showed up he had a jolt of reality. Or even the fact that they were all uninjured and had become another party in the figth.
Not my point at all. Don't know where your getting I don't think they can kill the Yonkou. The Yonkou should just have an easier time killing them as WB showed. Shanks shut down Akainu even better than WB using just a Haki ampliefied sword that may not even be legendary while WB needed his quakes to block the same punches.
What I don't think the Admirals can do is survive a gauntlet vs. 3 Admirals level opponents all while extremely injured and sick. Hell if Joz wasn't frozen confronting the WB pirates and pursuing Luffy would have be much more difficult. Why would fighters who have yet to fight be signficantly weaker than Old WB? People who will fight seriously years from now.
That title is 20 years old as well. For all we know Kaidou or Shanks could take the title if they wanted too but just had no interest or opportunity. The scene with Shanks&WB clashing could have ended any number of ways including WB being slightly overwhelmed or knocked on his ass. Confused by your final comment on the Yonkou?
As for Teach he saids its too early to take on Shanks. Didn't make reference to being gangbanged from all sides as it didn't seem like Sengoku would hae been spared if they decided to continue fighting. Even with an extra D,F he was still tagged by G2 Luffy and Magellan earlier. Extra fruit doesn't make up for physical stats.
Shanks apparently reached marineford before his ship did and blitzed every marine&pirate to shutdown Akainu, so yeah he is fast as fuck with great defense abilities(maybe Mihawk only beats him with destructive power). Darkness fruit does little for Teach vs. Shanks and confident Shanks can cut Teach if he is sucked up close before Teach can quake him. A fruit alone doesn't just boost you above all others. Thats a weak basis to boost Teach, Don's, and especially Enel's tier.
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Something I noticed recently regarding Donflamingo and Moria-
His loss to the straw hats aside, Moria has done exactly the same as Donflamingo has and yet everyone calls Moria weak and Pathetic and everyone worships Don as a pimp. Look at their actions in the war alone.
Donflamingo-
Laugh
Beat up Oar's Jr
Laugh
Laugh alot
Stand around
Try to kill Moria WITH A BUNCH OF PX'S AIDING HIM, and FAILMoria-
Laugh
Beat up Oar's Jr
Laugh
Laugh alot
Fight Jinbei and fail
Stand aroundAside from Don killing bellamy, who Luffy beat with 1 punch, he hasnt done ANYTHING to make him seem like a more competant or more powerful threat than Moria. I think Genocyber has a point. Ap forums hates fatties.
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Well it's Doflamingo's whole attitude that presents him as a big shot, it would be extremely weird and I would be extremely disappointed if he wasn't incredibly strong. Your last point which for some reason you put in spoilers is completely irrelevent, Doflamingo doesn't give a fuck if Moria lives or dies.
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@Yonkou#3:
he hasnt done ANYTHING to make him seem like a more competant or more powerful threat than Moria. .
Both he and Moria went up against ex-Shichis and WB Commdaners in the War. Doflamingo went up against Crocodile, and seemed to suffer no damage himself and even made the Logia-man bleed. He also effortlessly controlled both Jozu, one of Whitebeard's top commanders, and Atomos, a lesser Commander.
Moria went up against Jinbei, who punched him out in one hit. He also went up against Curiel, a lesser Commander, and couldn't even finish that guy off.
Both did damage to Oars. Doflamingo severed one of his legs, permenatly crippling him, if he survived the war, that is. Moria couldn't even finish him off when he mortally wounded and slowly crawling. Enough said.
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@S.C.:
Both he and Moria went up against ex-Shichis and WB Commdaners in the War. Doflamingo went up against Crocodile, and seemed to suffer no damage himself and even made the Logia-man bleed. He also effortlessly controlled both Jozu, one of Whitebeard's top commanders, and Atomos, a lesser Commander.
Moria went up against Jinbei, who punched him out in one hit. He also went up against Curiel, a lesser Commander, and couldn't even finish that guy off.
Both did damage to Oars. Doflamingo severed one of his legs, permenatly crippling him, if he survived the war, that is. Moria couldn't even finish him off when he mortally wounded and slowly crawling. Enough said.
You're terribly wrong about everything Moria-related.
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Moria is probably the Usopp of the Shichibukai, which will be even more evident after the time skip.
On that note, I'm betting this time skip will be rough on Jimbei and Hancock since they probably won't seem as strong as they used to be.
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@Yonkou#3:
Aside from Don killing bellamy, who Luffy beat with 1 punch, he hasnt done ANYTHING to make him seem like a more competant or more powerful threat than Moria. I think Genocyber has a point. Ap forums hates fatties.
Mhh let us think a bit what DoFla has done.
Or even better..let us not repeat for the 104th time what he has done or not, you read the manga yourself i guess.
I think we have to wait till he has his own arc,where he can show all he has, but i think he has a lot of potential(yeah,how can i be neutral) and you have to wait till he had enough screentime.For Moria…some love him, some hate him like every character is loved or hated.
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Direct comparison can very difficult in OP. Moria had the misfortune of losing to Luffy, so he's automatically branded weakest Shichibukai. Doflamingo's obviously more dangerous since he wasn't sacrificed to Luffy yet, but that's because of Oda's storytelling and not necessarily what we've seen so far. I wouldn't have any idea where Don fits into my tier list:
Mihawk
Kuma, Blackbeard
Hancock, Jinbei
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True. Direct comparison to strength/power isn't how I view the world of OP at all. Moria is more of the trickster / sneaky type. In the war, he had zombies lying about, but he fought in open battles, whereas in TB, he was this puppet master controlling everything from behind the screen. If he had continued to hide from Luffy, and just used his tricks he might've won. And I'm quite sure it was his plan, but then Kuma came, and told him that WG was afraid for his safety. Major insult. He went to the front line.
Jimbei is strong, very strong no doubt. But on land he's not that strong. Take the battle to the sea, and I bet even Rayleigh will have a hard time dealing with him (though Rayleigh will probably win in the end).
Dofla is even more of a puppet master, so I can imagine him being a more flamboyant and even more arrogant then Moria. He might be a really dangerous opponent because he can make friends fight each other (a Zoro vs Luffy rematch anyone?)
The shichibukai's that I really see have the upper hand in an open fight is Kuma and Mihawk. Whereas Hancock, basically if u're immune to her charm, u've just taken away 1/2 her danger
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If Jozu can beat Mihawk, and Doflamingo beats Jozu, does that mean Doflamingo>Mihawk?
If Hancock can beat Pacifistas, can she beat Kuma?
If both Moria and Crocodile lost against Luffy, does that make them weaker than the other 6?
As for Kuma, I think he's become a less effective fighter now that he's PX0. He was a lot smarter and tactful when he was sentient. During that time, he seemed more devastating than even Mihawk and Blackbeard (because Luffy was absolutely helpless against Kuma, compared to being able to hit Blackbeard and dodge Mihawk's attacks). So I'd say Kuma would be on the top of my list when he was alive.
I would say Moria would be on the bottom simply because he's incredibly slow and vulnerable compared to the others.
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The original Kuma was very strong, but he did most of his thrashing when the Straw Hats were already beaten and/or trying to escape.
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The original Kuma was very strong, but he did most of his thrashing when the Straw Hats were already beaten and/or trying to escape.
I would bet that even if the Straw Hats were in the best shape the end result would have been the same. At that point in time their power levels were extremely different
And as for Kuma becoming weaker, I still think that his devil fruit power makes him one of the strongest people in the OP world right now. How are you supposed to combat an ability that sends you flying for 3 days with a touch, an extreme amount of Haki might do it but short of that you are screwed..
And as much as I love Mihawk, we have not seen really anything out of him that proves he is the strongest, we saw his "most powerful slash" get easily stopped by Jozu…I put him in the same level as Hancock because we have not seen any Haki out of him except maybe the color of observation when he was fighting Luffy
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Based on what we have seen i feel it is safe to say Moria is the weakest.
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Based on what we have seen i feel it is safe to say Moria is the weakest.
Nope, sorry .
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Moria took Gear 2 + 3 attacks + Nightmare Luffy right into the face and still stood up… Croc was beaten by base Arabasta Luffy in round 3.
So which feat is making Croc > Moria?
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Based on what we have seen i feel it is safe to say Moria is the weakest.
I would say that a Moria after going through a 2 year 3 day training program would be stronger than Jimbei..
If he can get into fighting shape and lose the "you do it" mentality he could be very dangerous with that shadow power
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Pirates don't lose when they are defeated, they lose when they stop dreaming !!!! LOL The whole death of his crew kinda messed up his perception on the world and i feel his will to suceeds in fights. He is kinda Lazy, but has a dynamic devil fruit. So he has the abilty but i feel he lacks the guts now.
I would say that a Moria after going through a 2 year 3 day training program would be stronger than Jimbei..
If he can get into fighting shape and lose the "you do it" mentality he could be very dangerous with that shadow power
I agree with you.
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I have a feeling that the whole reason that Moria got booted out of the Schichbukai is to give Oda a chance to let him come back bigger, badder, in shape, and ready for a rematch with Kaido
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I have a feeling that Moria is Oda's greatest creation.
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Personally, I think Doflamingo may turn out to be a more powerful character than we have seen. I think he's been seriously holding back in the WB war arc, and in the future we're going to see some major Doflamingo carnage.
I also think after the timeskip, we may begin to see more gruesome acts of violence,battles.deaths… a more mature arc, if you will.
All in all, from strongest to weakest:
Doflamingo
Blackbeard
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Moria took Gear 2 + 3 attacks + Nightmare Luffy right into the face and still stood up… Croc was beaten by base Arabasta Luffy in round 3.
So which feat is making Croc > Moria?
Moria was knocked out completely in 1 hit from Nightmare Luffy. He got up only after Oars was defeated.
However, Moria did handle Luffy pretty well by just sending Brick Bats at him.
Luffy could beat Crocodile with blood oozing on his fists (I would say that bloody Luffy is different from base Luffy). But the 2 other times Luffy fought Croc, he lost badly.
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Moria was knocked out completely in 1 hit from Nightmare Luffy. He got up only after Oars was defeated.
However, Moria did handle Luffy pretty well by just sending Brick Bats at him.
Luffy could beat Crocodile with blood oozing on his fists (I would say that bloody Luffy is different from base Luffy). But the 2 other times Luffy fought Croc, he lost badly.
But Nighmare Luffy and G2 + G3 Luffy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BASE LUFFY who knocked out Croc
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Moria was knocked out completely in 1 hit from Nightmare Luffy. He got up only after Oars was defeated.
However, Moria did handle Luffy pretty well by just sending Brick Bats at him.
Luffy could beat Crocodile with blood oozing on his fists (I would say that bloody Luffy is different from base Luffy). But the 2 other times Luffy fought Croc, he lost badly.
He DID kinda forget that Luffy was rubber when he made the black box… and usually rubber retains its original shape if it is squished..
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Personally, I think Doflamingo may turn out to be a more powerful character than we have seen. I think he's been seriously holding back in the WB war arc, and in the future we're going to see some major Doflamingo carnage.
I also think after the timeskip, we may begin to see more gruesome acts of violence,battles.deaths… a more mature arc, if you will.
All in all, from strongest to weakest:
Doflamingo
Blackbeard
Kuma
Mihawk
Jinbei
Hancock
Crocodile
MoriaYou think Dolfa is stronger than BB?!?!? I am betting he is strong but not that strong…..As the Schichibukai are right now from strongest to weakest are, in my opinion:
BB- Now with WB power, he is nearly unstoppable
Kuma- Other than an insane amount of haki, his attack that sends you flying is unblock-able...add that with his already insane defense and you have got one powerful tank
Mihawk-- Despite not seeing all that much out of him during the war, the little trace of haki we saw him use against Luffy and his reputation was enough to put him here
Hancock- Very underated, even if you are immune to her charms her Haki is among the strongest we have seen in the series so far, just ask Smoker
Dofla- Hard to say about him really, he had to use a bunch of Pacifistas just to try and take out Moria and he did next to nothing in the war so the debate is still out on him
Crocodile- He has one very clear and obvious weakness but, despite that he has shown to be more than capable in battle...he lost to Luffy yes but he is also one of the rare few who have ever handed him an all out loss too
Jimbei- Physically strong with cool water techniques but that's about it
Moria- If he were to not be so damn lazy and hit the gym once in a while he would be near the top of the list with his power..
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But Nighmare Luffy and G2 + G3 Luffy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BASE LUFFY who knocked out Croc
That's way too many ">" to take seriously bro.
And you have to realize that as strong as Gear 2nd and 3rd Luffy are, Luffy created just as much force as Gear 3rd in Alabasta when he punched Crocodile through solid bedrock. There is definitely an inconsistency in Luffy's strength.
So we can't say Croc is much weaker than Moria.
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That's way too many ">" to take seriously bro.
And you have to realize that as strong as Gear 2nd and 3rd Luffy are, Luffy created just as much force as Gear 3rd in Alabasta when he punched Crocodile through solid bedrock. There is definitely an inconsistency in Luffy's strength.
So we can't say Croc is much weaker than Moria.
But we can't say Moria is weaker as well
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Both he and Moria went up against ex-Shichis and WB Commdaners in the War. Doflamingo went up against Crocodile, and seemed to suffer no damage himself and even made the Logia-man bleed. He also effortlessly controlled both Jozu, one of Whitebeard's top commanders, and Atomos, a lesser Commander.
Moria went up against Jinbei, who punched him out in one hit. He also went up against Curiel, a lesser Commander, and couldn't even finish that guy off.
Both did damage to Oars. Doflamingo severed one of his legs, permenatly crippling him, if he survived the war, that is. Moria couldn't even finish him off when he mortally wounded and slowly crawling. Enough said.
HAHAHA end game match set you win
nice trashing
shibukai rankings in my book are
BB (can't see how anyone could see different when elders said only the yonkou could defeat him)
Mihawk rival of shanks, zoro's ultimate goal how could he not be number two kuma is even with Iva and I don't think Iva has a chance in hell against mihawk, I think he'd rape the two easily…. well not together (plus my suspicion is that kuma went to the sunny to fight the SH's to see if there ready for the New world.... I have no basis on this theory though)
Doflamingo: Just intuition on this one all intuition
Kuma: without the paw paw fruit no chance but with it he's one hell of a fighter
Gecko Moria after time skip: He fought kaidou so he must be pretty tough and i bet he'll be back at that level
Hancock: Kings haki, and of course her ability to smash people into stone with kicks, very dangerous who knows if there's a way to undo it
Jinbei-croc: I think there all about even level, they seem like there becoming rivals latley too, although I don't think any shichibukai is capable of defeating them in there own turf croc in the desert or jinbei near or surrounded by water
Gecko Moria now: only shichibukai to ever get thrown out due to being weak
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@S.C.:
Both he and Moria went up against ex-Shichis and WB Commdaners in the War. Doflamingo went up against Crocodile, and seemed to suffer no damage himself and even made the Logia-man bleed. He also effortlessly controlled both Jozu, one of Whitebeard's top commanders, and Atomos, a lesser Commander.
Moria went up against Jinbei, who punched him out in one hit. He also went up against Curiel, a lesser Commander, and couldn't even finish that guy off.
Both did damage to Oars. Doflamingo severed one of his legs, permenatly crippling him, if he survived the war, that is. Moria couldn't even finish him off when he mortally wounded and slowly crawling. Enough said.
When was this?? i cant seem to remember
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Moria was knocked out completely in 1 hit from Nightmare Luffy.
His fists must've been flying so fast that all you saw was one hit.
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Personally, I think Doflamingo may turn out to be a more powerful character than we have seen. I think he's been seriously holding back in the WB war arc, and in the future we're going to see some major Doflamingo carnage.
I also think after the timeskip, we may begin to see more gruesome acts of violence,battles.deaths… a more mature arc, if you will.
All in all, from strongest to weakest:
Doflamingo
Blackbeard
Kuma
Mihawk
Jinbei
Hancock
Crocodile
MoriaAre you a coconut
your list is flawed on so many levels
moria bottom of the list is just wrong espcially when you have croc in the same list luffy defeated croc pre gears, Gears weren't even enough for moria need gears and nightmere mode
this is how it should be
Post timeskip
BB
Mihawk (mihawk the strongest pretime skip)
Flamingo
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@Mark:
When was this?? i cant seem to remember
When he and Mr. 1 went up against Mihawk, there was blood coming from Croc's forehead, who came right from a fight with Doflamingo.
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@S.C.:
When he and Mr. 1 went up against Mihawk, there was blood coming from Croc's forehead, who came right from a fight with Doflamingo.
Which is absolute proof that Donflamingo did it OBVIOUSLY. :getlost:
Moria was knocked out completely in 1 hit from Nightmare Luffy. He got up only after Oars was defeated.
However, Moria did handle Luffy pretty well by just sending Brick Bats at him.
Luffy could beat Crocodile with blood oozing on his fists (I would say that bloody Luffy is different from base Luffy). But the 2 other times Luffy fought Croc, he lost badly.
First the part in bold is wrong, re-read the chapter and you'll noticed the goddamn gomu gomu no storm he took to the face. Even if he was knocked out with 1 hit, (which he wasnt) you're right he got back up minutes later. And as I recall everyone thinks it's cool that Sanji, Zoro and Chopper got back up after Oar's KNOCKED THEM UNCONCIOUS with just as many hits.
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@Yonkou#3:
Which is absolute proof that Donflamingo did it OBVIOUSLY.
Why, how silly of me. Of course, it had to be Seaman Recruit Nobody and his fellow red-shirts instead of the very powerful opponent directly fighting him.
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@S.C.:
When he and Mr. 1 went up against Mihawk, there was blood coming from Croc's forehead, who came right from a fight with Doflamingo.
I could be wrong, but wasn't that from his "fight" with Jozu?