But the point is that Oda has been laying the groundwork for us to enter the NW soon. Literary-wise he has done nothing that would indicate that going backwards is where he is heading, but he has literally peppered the story with plenty of hints that the NW is.
Luffy's Message
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lol jerk. your taking this way too seriously. we are all drawing conclusions here from an art of fiction.
What the hell is an "art of fiction".
You shouldn't take it seriously either when someone calls a spade a spade. IE your theory being bad.
Things doesnt always make sense
In a good story yeah, actually they do.
What are you even saying here.
Why would 50 volumes be undone
The meaning of them would be.
The fact that you can't even think of significance of stuff shows you aren't on the level.just cause they would have to meet in a place that was first introduce very early in the story? its been done before and it doesnt always turn ugly.
Name a single example that is anything like One Piece with it's narrow finite journey road.
It's like suggesting Apocalypse Now wouldn't suffer from Willard going back to HQ half way through.
And nope i dont know if oda would even consider that but thats the fun in guessing games aint it?
Throwing shit at the wall?
And of course rookies cant just go across, in and out of grand line as we have seen its mostly the shichibukais who do this but who is to say that after the supposed time skip the strawhats wouldnt be at least strong enough to do just that?
It would be retarded for them to be Shichibukai level after the timeskip.
If you really don't care then drop your turds and be gone. Defending them makes you lose your little "lol i dont actually care" shield.
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I wonder if it could be as simple as Luffy wanting his crew to know he's safe/calm and there's no need for them to rush back at the risk of their lives.
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Why do you want them to meet at Loguetown anyway? And the message have probably nothing to do with the location where they will meet. Everybody has Rayleigh's Vivrecard, so they just have to follow it if they want to meet the others, that would be pointless to take all this risk to give a message if the location was their only purpose.
I think, the message is more about when they will meet and what they have to do before.
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lol jerk. your taking this way too seriously. we are all drawing conclusions here from an art of fiction. Things doesnt always make sense and even if they do its not always gonna happen. Why would 50 volumes be undone just cause they would have to meet in a place that was first introduce very early in the story? its been done before and it doesnt always turn ugly. And nope i dont know if oda would even consider that but thats the fun in guessing games aint it? And of course rookies cant just go across, in and out of grand line as we have seen its mostly the shichibukais who do this but who is to say that after the supposed time skip the strawhats wouldnt be at least strong enough to do just that? i mean it is only paradise. ehhhhh
Bleach avatar having poster advocates bad storytelling.
Can't say it's a stretch.
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Hello Bitches
I Am A Cardboard Cut Out Boring Ass Vegeta Clone Named Grimmjow Jaggerjack.
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Did anyone talk about what the meaning of Luffy throwing the flowers could be? Maybe it's another piece of the puzzle?
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@Mr.:
Why do people insist that the tattoo/armband/whatever it is IS the message? Didn't the whole "He rung the Ox Bell 16 times!" give you guys a hint? That's what they were talking about the whole chapter not the dang thing written on his arm. Besides, Shakey has Rayleigh's vivre card, you know, the thing they're using to reunite? Y'know Kuma's probably in on it too so he blasted everyone in the Thousand Sunny area to a safe place where they can all meet. So why make it a specific place? It makes more sense that's it's within a time period rather than him giving the crew a message of where to meet.
This, pretty much
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Did anyone talk about what the meaning of Luffy throwing the flowers could be? Maybe it's another piece of the puzzle?
You do realize that most of what he did was actually probably just a tribute to Whitebeard and Ace?
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@JERK:
You do realize that most of what he did was actually probably just a tribute to Whitebeard and Ace?
That the message was just part of it?Yeah, I know it was a tribute to WB and Ace, but I'm wondering if it could have another meaning connecting it to Luffy's message.
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The only thing I can think of that's significant and only the crew would know about is the "X" most of them share to show they're nakama. Ah, yeah I know Brook and Franky weren't there for that (Robin was on the ship) but Luffy or anybody who was there for it could have told them the story off panel. What else would only the crew understand and as a second function serve as some kind of message? Besides, this has been used as a silent insider message before.
I'm sure there could be a hundred different things of course and even something the crew shared off panel which the readers would be clueless about. If that's the case then Oda is laughing his ass off at us right now for even trying to guess. -_- I don't think them backtracking to Arabasta would be befitting to progression of the manga anyway. Overall, the "X" is still the only significant message I can think of right now.
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it would explain Vivis involvement
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Mmm, this is weird and stupid so don't flame me XD, but,
1 ring (around marineford) + 16 Bell rings = 17. The Ox bell rings determine a change in a year, so, this can mean that luffy is announcing his birthday? Explain Nami's reaction xD.No sorry, that's too dumb. Why would he go to marineford to announce the crew something so stupid? :S
Ignore it.
Well, i don't have plausible theories on the matter… , but the message can't be the tatoo.. -
I don't think the tattoo is a message of any sort for the simple reason that it's 4 letters/characters and a cross - something which Ace was quite well known for having. It'd be somewhat insulting to him to then use that to communicate. I'm sure it's a tribute to Ace of some sort. The same applies if it's an arm band.
Backtracking of any sort also isn't an option. Besides Nami, none of the crew members have a log pose, which will allow them to navigate the sea. Not to mention that most of them probably don't even know where they are (though I don't remember such details). Also to add, Zoro is an idiot with directions and navigations. Asking Zoro to backtrack to Arabasta (for example) is like asking Chopper to jump over the moon.
Also note that each crew member has a Vivri Card, which will give them the direction in which they need to go, regardless of which sea they're in. Those vivri cards seemed to be quite significant when the crew was initially separated.
Also, if the tattoo meant anything like 'Not three days, two years', then what exactly would the purpose of the bells be? I doubt he was ringing them to declare war on the Marines (he's already done that), or to symbolize anything about the pirate ages. He never really believed in anything of that sort anyway.
Also, the crew can train whilst in each others presence. Luffy needing to train his Haki is no reason to abandon the search for the one thing he wants the most, for two years - especially if he can be with them whilst training Haki. Perhaps Zoro or Sanji could pick some up too. So… I think the tattoo is just a tribute to Ace/others who died. I'd be disappointed if it was anything else, for reasons mentioned already (the crew can also hardly read it, it wasn't pointed out explicitly, what if it wasn't shown).
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Uhm…
3D2Y3 Days(to coating the ship) 2 Years (to them to gather)EDIT: Oh, too late xD
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It's possible Luffy did as many things as he could to make the same message.
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I was reading all of this teories, and I couldn't help myself to give my own.
My guess:
1 Circuit around Marineford = I'll pick you up
16 Bells = We lost, But we will stand up to fight again
Being with Rayleigh = I'm with Rayleigh
The tatoo = ?? "I can't make it out, but I think it means something"Also he is going on a long expedition with the Kuja, meaning that they will sail around to all the places where the other SH's are.
Being with the Kuja also means that they can sail trough the calm belt, and I bet the two snakes who drags the ships got a very keen sense of direction (Animals tend to have so)
That is my guess. I know its not fully argumented, but I just had to show it!
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That's a more reasonable explanation of the "pick everyone up" idea, but the thing is, if they don't get the message then the chances of missing someone while picking everyone up is greatly increased, and still, the time problem is considerable. I like the interpretation of events–especially the "We lost, But we will stand up to fight again," part, even though I doubt that's it. Such a nice sentiment to it.
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Hi All, long time reader 1st time poster. I've read some really great theories and thought I would add one of my own (atleast I do not believe it's been posted, pls correct me if i'm wrong) and pls feel free to critique it anyway you see fit ^^…
1st. I truly believe the circling on the ship was meant for honoring the fallen.
2nd. the ringing of the bell was to signify as some have said the end of their year and the start of a new year/new beginning for the crew.
3rd. the Tattoo, this seems to be the one with the most interest. Here i've seen some great ideas and very different takes on the letters. I've seen SADY, SA2Y, SA2W, SO2Y and this got me thinking, what if it's not an O but a P and the S was a number. My take on it, is that it is 8P2W - with a large X crossed over the top 2 characters. 8P with a large X could mean/represent 8 People/Pirates who are missing/mia and the 2W would mean 2 weeks. So I think the message reads as, to the missing 8 people, 2 weeks (using the vivre card i believe that's what it called as the way to finding the location.).
Well lemme know what you all think.
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To those saying it can't be the tattoo because why would Luffy put something permanent on his arm for this one thing… I think most people are just calling it a tattoo just for simplicities sake. It's easier than "The writing on his arm" or something. That's how I always saw it anyway.
Well lemme know what you all think.
It does kind of look like a P, but I also see a D. Also I don't see a W but a Y so if you're right, it'd be 8 people 2 years.
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Uhm…
3D2Y3 Days(to coating the ship) 2 Years (to them to gather)EDIT: Oh, too late xD
Damn the ship still aint coated?
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@Rune.:
Hi All, long time reader 1st time poster. I've read some really great theories and thought I would add one of my own (atleast I do not believe it's been posted, pls correct me if i'm wrong) and pls feel free to critique it anyway you see fit ^^…
1st. I truly believe the circling on the ship was meant for honoring the fallen.
2nd. the ringing of the bell was to signify as some have said the end of their year and the start of a new year/new beginning for the crew.
3rd. the Tattoo, this seems to be the one with the most interest. Here i've seen some great ideas and very different takes on the letters. I've seen SADY, SA2Y, SA2W, SO2Y and this got me thinking, what if it's not an O but a P and the S was a number. My take on it, is that it is 8P2W - with a large X crossed over the top 2 characters. 8P with a large X could mean/represent 8 People/Pirates who are missing/mia and the 2W would mean 2 weeks. So I think the message reads as, to the missing 8 people, 2 weeks (using the vivre card i believe that's what it called as the way to finding the location.).
Well lemme know what you all think.
^^The problem with that theory (and with others that consider the tatoo as a message), as someone said, is that we can't assume that oda would use english words.
So, i.e., "8P = 8 pirates" but pirate = kaizoku.. "SA = Shabondy Archipelago", but it's actually called Shabondy Shoto.. Stuff like that. -
The problem with that theory (and with others that consider the tatoo as a message), as someone said, is that we can't assume that oda would use english words.
So, i.e., "8P = 8 pirates" but pirate = kaizoku.. "SA = Shabondy Archipelago", but it's actually called Shabondy Shoto.. Stuff like that.Ty for the comments, sry still learning forums and its late, so i'm only quoting this one right now. But both comments are very fair and may be fully valid. We will simply have to wait and see. As far as the English characters are concerned, I believe as in the case with Ace's Tattoo that Oda could use english lettering, but I may be totally off base. Either way, its fun to theorize until the master proves us wrong or right ^_^.
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@Rune.:
Ty for the comments, sry still learning forums and its late, so i'm only quoting this one right now. But both comments are very fair and may be fully valid. We will simply have to wait and see. As far as the English characters are concerned, I believe as in the case with Ace's Tattoo that Oda could use english lettering, but I may be totally off base. Either way, its fun to theorize until the master proves us wrong or right ^_^.
Please don't go on about this tattoo business. It's more than likely not going to be about the tattoo since it's hardly visible and the reporters probably didn't take the time to write about some slight change in a pirate's body. The key is in something that has to due with Luffy acting unlike him as Rayleigh said.
But seriously, enough about the tattoo. :happy:
Oh and welcome!
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The more I see you people try to interpret the tattoo, the more I believe the tattoo is not the message. Because, yes, each of you interpret it in your own way, so what made Rayleigh so sure that each of the Sh won't interpret the tatto in different ways?
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The tattoo is the message. Or at least part of the message. It is the only thing that is speaking "Hey strawhat crew! You noticed me? I'm not here before. So what do I mean?"
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The tattoo is the message. Or at least part of the message. It is the only thing that is speaking "Hey strawhat crew! You noticed me? I'm not here before. So what do I mean?"
It's also saying, "Hey you see me? I wasn't here before but you can't make out my figure at all! I probably mean something special for Luffy but I'm not something that you guys should focus on."
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@Mr.:
Please don't go on about this tattoo business. It's more than likely not going to be about the tattoo since it's hardly visible and the reporters probably didn't take the time to write about some slight change in a pirate's body. The key is in something that has to due with Luffy acting unlike him as Rayleigh said.
But seriously, enough about the tattoo. :happy:
Oh and welcome!
Thanks for the welcome and comments. Had to highlight that portion though, as its being reported on in the newspaper, it can't be obvious to others (as public concepts go, pirates and tattoos go hand in hand) but to the crew, this is also something that Luffy would not normally do (right?). and ty again for the welcome.
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@Mr.:
It's also saying, "Hey you see me? I wasn't here before but you can't make out my figure at all! I probably mean something special for Luffy but I'm not something that you guys should focus on."
Come on. Oda purposely left the tattoo resolution low so he can reveal everything next chapter. If it is not that vague then every reader will know it by now. Like Rayleigh said, "the key is something that luffy won't usually do". and in this case luffy don't usually wear tattoos. That's why Vivi also immediately noticed it (remember "Is it for fashion?"). The crew will certainly noticed that also. And only the crew will it have meaning. With that said, I believe "3D2Y" theory is strong.
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Come on. Oda purposely left the tattoo resolution low so he can reveal everything next chapter.
Or he can torture us.
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What is the 3D2Y theory?
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The more I see tattoo theories the more I want it to not even be a tattoo.
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Come on. Oda purposely left the tattoo resolution low so he can reveal everything next chapter. If it is not that vague then every reader will know it by now. Like Rayleigh said, "the key is something that luffy won't usually do". and in this case luffy don't usually wear tattoos. That's why Vivi also immediately noticed it (remember "Is it for fashion?"). The crew will certainly noticed that also. And only the crew will it have meaning. With that said, I believe "3D2Y" theory is strong.
You really think that the Straw Hats would pay attention to something as a tattoo? Yes, he has gotten one. I wonder if Arabasta rings any bells…. And it probably isn't even a tattoo. It looks more like it's over the bandages instead of on his arm. Also, the Strawhats are looking at the EXACT SAME picture as we are. Who's to say that they aren't comprehending it multple ways like we are? And all of them have most likely heard, and for some seen, Ace (well maybe not Brook but they do seem to talk off screen about stuff) and know of his tattoo. They seem VERY similar to each other. And don't you think that the whole "Something unlike Luffy" business is about him going back to Marineford and doing all that complicated stuff which he's probably never even heard of before?
@Zik:
The more I see tattoo theories the more I want it to not even be a tattoo.
Agreed.
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@Mr.:
You really think that the Straw Hats would pay attention to something as a tattoo? Yes, he has gotten one. I wonder if Arabasta rings any bells…. And it probably isn't even a tattoo. It looks more like it's over the bandages instead of on his arm. Also, the Strawhats are looking at the EXACT SAME picture as we are. Who's to say that they aren't comprehending it multple ways like we are? And all of them have most likely heard, and for some seen, Ace (well maybe not Brook but they do seem to talk off screen about stuff) and know of his tattoo. They seem VERY similar to each other. And don't you think that the whole "Something unlike Luffy" business is about him going back to Marineford and doing all that complicated stuff which he's probably never even heard of before?
Well, Luffy now has the reputation of doing the outrageous. So, this attacking the marineford as well as paying respect to the deserving are "so like" Luffy in the eyes of the crew. Yes, we are looking at the same newspaper and I also said that the author purposely lowered the resolution. Of course, 16 chimes might not even matter because it is too obvious. And Luffy may just penned that there for all I care, but that is the message.
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I think the tatto is 3D (with a big cross through both) and 2Y.
Meaning that they don't meet up in three days like Rayleigh said, but meet up in two years.
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@Marine:
I think the tatto is 3D (with a big cross through both) and 2Y.
Meaning that they don't meet up in three days like Rayleigh said, but meet up in two years.
It's already been more than three days since the crew broke up…
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Well, Luffy now has the reputation of doing the outrageous. So, this attacking the marineford as well as paying respect to the deserving are "so like" Luffy in the eyes of the crew. Yes, we are looking at the same newspaper and I also said that the author purposely lowered the resolution. Of course, 16 chimes might not even matter because it is too obvious.
And…..getting a tattoo makes it unlike Luffy because he hasn't done it recently? They've spent enough time with him to know how he acts and yet they think him getting a tattoo is out of character while performing a ritual that involves him stealing a Marine battleship, going around Marineford once, and ringing the Ox Bell (which he probably didn't even know existed) 16 consecutive times as something that he would usually do? And it seems that for some reason that people think Zoro doesn't get it when he IS on the right track saying that Rayleigh planned it but not fully understanding the message (which is pretty much our situation as the audience but much muuuch worse).
The only thing really Luffy-like about the whole even was Luffy getting a tattoo, a bouquet, and making a prayer in respect for Ace (and possible Whitebeard).Also, why would Oda give us a low res version of Luffy praying JUST to throw us off with the tattoo? Do you really Luffy would stand in that position just to show his tattoo to his crew when it's barely visible? Don't you think that he would be smarter than that and get a better angle so they don't get horribly confused like we are?
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If you're going to analyse the tattoo, you should at least use a decent raw source, rather than some 'cleaned' scanlation with all the detail wiped out:
The first letter is clearly an S (not a 3 or an 8 as some have suggested).
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After looking more and more at that pic, I just don't see an S. I'll agree I can be wrong about the 8, but the more i look at it, the less likely it seems to me to be an S.
I'm sticking with 8P2W ^_^ and lol watch as many others have said, it means nothing. Oda works wonders, something so small is keeping us busy with all this guessing. -
@Mr.:
And…..getting a tattoo makes it unlike Luffy because he hasn't done it recently? They've spent enough time with him to know how he acts and yet they think him getting a tattoo is out of character while performing a ritual that involves him stealing a Marine battleship, going around Marineford once, and ringing the Ox Bell (which he probably didn't even know existed) 16 consecutive times as something that he would usually do? And it seems that for some reason that people think Zoro doesn't get it when he IS on the right track saying that Rayleigh planned it but not fully understanding the message (which is pretty much our situation as the audience but much muuuch worse).
The only thing really Luffy-like about the whole even was Luffy getting a tattoo, a bouquet, and making a prayer in respect for Ace (and possible Whitebeard).It's not really the "out of character"edness but in recent memory we dont have luffy with tattoo, and why the sudden tattoo. I believe that the 16 chimes is just a distraction to take the attention away from the tattoo and it is working to those fools in the marineford.
Also, why would Oda give us a low res version of Luffy praying JUST to throw us off with the tattoo? Do you really Luffy would stand in that position just to show his tattoo to his crew when it's barely visible? Don't you think that he would be smarter than that and get a better angle so they don't get horribly confused like we are?
I believe Oda wants to keep information vague, so it is not that obvious. I don't think luffy even tried to face any camera. I think the letters are big enough to be noticed and read, so he need not try. It just happen that that is the best shot the photographer has for the paper.
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hmm kinda looks like it says "boat"
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It's not really the "out of character"edness but in recent memory we dont have luffy with tattoo, and why the sudden tattoo. I believe that the 16 chimes is just a distraction to take the attention away from the tattoo and it is working to those fools in the marineford.
Keyword is "unlike" him not "something he hasn't done in recent times". And why does it have to be the tattoo? It's the whole action of what he's done in Marineford that makes it unlike Luffy.
I believe Oda wants to keep information vague, so it is not that obvious. I don't think luffy even tried to face any camera. I think the letters are big enough to be noticed and read, so he need not try. It just happen that that is the best shot the photographer has for the paper.
And….what if the photographer had taken a picture of his left side, completely leaving his right side unexposed? If the tattoo were the message he would've put at least some effort into it rather than just standing there and hoping for the best. Besides, a tattoo would be an inconvenient way of transmitting a message to another person. It has to be something that involves what he did at Marineford.
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@Rune.:
After looking more and more at that pic, I just don't see an S. I'll agree I can be wrong about the 8, but the more i look at it, the less likely it seems to me to be an S.
I'm sticking with 8P2W ^_^ and lol watch as many others have said, it means nothing. Oda works wonders, something so small is keeping us busy with all this guessing.Hmm… maybe I should have zoomed in more:
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I think it's an S; you can clearly see a gap between the top-right end and the middle section. It looks the bridge that would make it a 3 is just part of the cross.
Also, I think that while the ringing of the bell may have had some significance for Luffy, it wasn't directly a part of his message to the strawhats. The whole drama in the plaza was just a way for him to stealthily show off his tattoo to the newspaper photographer.
It doesn't really worry me either way. All will be revealed in a few days (weeks?)
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What you all have mistaken for an "S" is obviously the infinity symbol tatted vertically also playing as an "8". Eight as in Luffy's fav SH, the 8th, Brook.
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brook was the ninth dipshit and when does the next chapter come out?
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@Mr.:
Keyword is "unlike" him not "something he hasn't done in recent times". And why does it have to be the tattoo? It's the whole action of what he's done in Marineford that makes it unlike Luffy.
If it is so unlike luffy then why will Chopper yell "Luffy, Why Again?!!". I am not a japanese man, but that "unlike" can be "something different" or "weird" and is not necessarily characterwise but moment or looks.
And….what if the photographer had taken a picture of his left side, completely leaving his right side unexposed? If the tattoo were the message he would've put at least some effort into it rather than just standing there and hoping for the best. Besides, a tattoo would be an inconvenient way of transmitting a message to another person. It has to be something that involves what he did at Marineford.
As inconvenient as it is, it might still come as effective in luffy's case. Actions are way too confusing and majority of luffy's crew are simpletons. If it is just the action, I might have get it by now. Words, in this case, symbols are more reliable.
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If it is so unlike luffy then why will Chopper yell "Luffy, Why Again?!!". I am not a japanese man, but that "unlike" can be "something different" or "weird" and is not necessarily characterwise but moment or looks.
Chopper's line has been explained million times already. It doesn't mean "again" in the way you would first understand it. Japanese thing.
I can't wait 'till they reveal the message. So many people will be crushed down whether what the message is.
I personally doubt the whole message being in the tattoo. I'm just sure that Oda has added so much unneeded stuff to Luffys actions that readers couldn't quess what was the real message.
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he was yelling why again about luffy entering marineford twice, either that or pissing of the goverment more than once. BTW whens the next chapter?
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Chopper's line has been explained million times already. It doesn't mean "again" in the way you would first understand it. Japanese thing.
Well, what does it mean then? I'm interested.
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I think the letters are big enough to be noticed and read, so he need not try.
We, seeing the the exact same picture, can't figure out if it's an S or a 3, an A or an O, a 2 or a Greek letter, and so forth. If the tattoo is the message, it's bad storytelling. There's no way the crew would all be able to understand what it says.