This whole Tate situation is very simple:
Art= Terrible
Animation= Great
Tate will be the one to look forward to during the war, but not for episodes with less action.
This whole Tate situation is very simple:
Art= Terrible
Animation= Great
Tate will be the one to look forward to during the war, but not for episodes with less action.
God I hope he does not get the episode where the captain's and division commanders show up .
I want clear lines and visible eyes dammit .
@No:
God I hope he does not get the episode where the captain's and division commanders show up .
I want clear lines and visible eyes dammit .
Just pray he doesn't animate the part when
! WB pwns akainu
Just pray he doesn't animate the part when
! WB pwns akainu
You kidding? I'd shit bricks if he did that action scene. In fact, Tate should do as many action scenes as possible in Marineford.
And for the last time:
Art: The quality of the pictures on screen.
Animation: The quality of the movement on screen.
If you're going to complain, at least know which one it is you're complaining about. I think I'm going to have to post this as a reminder every time Tate does an episode.
You kidding? I'd shit bricks if he did that action scene. In fact, Tate should do as many action scenes as possible in Marineford.
And for the last time:
Art: The quality of the pictures on screen.
Animation: The quality of the movement on screen.If you're going to complain, at least know which one it is you're complaining about. I think I'm going to have to post this as a reminder every time Tate does an episode.
Isn't that kind of an indication his style may not be all that hot ?
And before you say anything both the art and the animation sucked major balls in that scene (not the manga chapter , the scene with Ussop :P)
Just a preemptive measure, since Tate episode threads always fill up with complaints from people who don't know what they're talking about and mix one up with the other.
Stil if there are so many people who don't like it…...I just find that intriguing .
Yeah the prison tower thing seems a little weird . Kind of feels like that part of the episode belongs in a diferent series .
I don't recall anyone saying that the art was bad. They're all talking about the animation itself rather than the art.
there are plenty of people talking about actually both, though hard to tell which they mean
@LUFFY#1:
Like I said in my review, the animation is not bad at all, it is just different from the standards that you normally get from a episode. What makes it great to most of us it the fluid,rich animation that we see in the episode that gives it such vivid taste. Which brings us back to Tate=Taste!
i didnt' say anythign about animation. i'm talking about art. you show me 100 different screenshots of random episodes in last 50 or whatever and i'll be able to peg which ones are tate easy. his art looks so different than they others, good or bad i dislike that. hell if the berserk guy did next one piece chapter i dont' care how amazing the art is i still would be upset with it.
but as for me, i dislike tates art
BTW here is my quote to make sure you know i never said animation. I know difference. And also when i say random screenshots, that is what i mean. if your going to post some of tates art dont' go out and search for all his good pictures, that is not random. I always laugh when someone posts horrible shots of someone else and great shots of the person they are trying to say is good. you cna make any director look AMAZING if you are selective
@Sammsy:
wow its just amazing to what lengths some of your will go to defend this director.
you honestly going to tell me that the art was good?
and the main point lets ignore all the art and just focus on robins episode part. I'm not saying it wasn't a good story or anything, but it was nothing like the cover stories. I can only imagine if this was a different director how much bashing you guys would do over the change in the story.
I know there isn't much of a point arguing about this considering people are pretty stubborn about Tate whether they approve or not, but I wanted to comment on your screenshot point, Sammsy.
Judging the art in an animated cartoon is a little different from judging the art in a single painting. Taking a bunch of random screenshots isn't going to get you anywhere, especially with a skilled animator like Tate because many of the frames you may capture mid-action that have the worst distortion are not meant to be looked at for more than a fraction of a second and aren't reflective at all of the animator's ability to accurately render a character. Those frames just give the action that extra punch on screen which is pretty important, y'know, for a cartoon…
Regardless, I still say that practically any of Tate's still shots (when a character stays still for some time) look better and more on model than those of any other animator except for possibly Nakatani's. I agree that he sticks out a lot from the others and I also agree that I would like the animation in One Piece to be more consistent in style, but I would rather have an awesome animator once in a while than average to bad animators all of the time. When I watch Tate's episodes, I see the same zaniness and exaggeration of expressions and movements that I feel from Oda's drawings in the manga.
And for the last time:
Art: The quality of the pictures on screen.
Animation: The quality of the movement on screen.
I know thanks, and the problem (for me of course) with Tate is both art and animation (in this episode i was talking about art only tough), first art because drawings became bad. I'm not willing to see oda's drawings but the hell ? Guys especially Luffy look like shit; big huge eyes and front are the most notable changes i've seen since, i don't know, shabondy ?
And animation, oh the animation ! Sorry but i don't like seeing every tiny pixel moving on it's own (a bit extreme on this one though). You know these kind of useless movements before someone attacks with Tate ? that's what i hate the most, sorry forgot the name of the other animator who did the luffy gear 3rd vs magellan attack but the guy is way better than Tate.
My taste and other people's here are shitty but whatever, that's how it is : Tate is shit ! and i really don't like to see that part animated by him
During my rewatching of the episode, I did find a couple nicely-drawn parts. But then stuff like this showed up…
http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u343/CaptainHypersock/moo3.jpg
http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u343/CaptainHypersock/moo2.jpg
http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u343/CaptainHypersock/moo1.jpg
^I think these are just bad.Tate's style is just rough in general, and it's not my cup of tea. If other people like it, then fine. But I'm not gonna bash people for liking it. In the same way, please don't bash people for not liking it.
The First looks fine. The second is a random in-between frame you took from a fluidly animated segment. If you look at particular frames from variouolsy well animated scenes(in any animated film) you'll always see odd things like that. But they only appear for a fraction of a second and you could never see them without pausing. Like shippanman said; this stuff helps make Tate's animation so fantastic. The third shot is meh.
@No:
Stil if there are so many people who don't like it…...I just find that intriguing .
Ad populum much?
his art looks so different than they others, good or bad i dislike that. hell if the berserk guy did next one piece chapter i dont' care how amazing the art is i still would be upset with it.
This kinda comes down to a big difference between American and Japanese animation. In Japan (I think, correct me if I'm wrong here) its very common for episode's to be done in different styles with different Animation directors. Whereas in America the styles are pretty consistent from episode to episode. In most long running anime it seems like the animation styles shift from episode to episode.
And animation, oh the animation ! Sorry but i don't like seeing every tiny pixel moving on it's own (a bit extreme on this one though). You know these kind of useless movements before someone attacks with Tate ? that's what i hate the most, sorry forgot the name of the other animator who did the luffy gear 3rd vs magellan attack but the guy is way better than Tate.
My taste and other people's here are shitty but whatever, that's how it is : Tate is shit ! and i really don't like to see that part animated by him
In my experience, anybody that has ever animated anything, or that has been involved with the production of animation of any sort loves animation like Tate's. It may be exaggerated at times but that just adds to the action and overall effect of the motions.
And I know it all comes down to opinion when talking about Tate's quality and blah blah blah.
But sorry whenever I hear people try to tell me that Tate sucks I can't help but think they have shitty taste.
I do concede that the Usopp part looks like shit though.
Just a preemptive measure, since Tate episode threads always fill up with complaints from people who don't know what they're talking about and mix one up with the other.
That's the problem with most of the people here.
And animation, oh the animation ! Sorry but i don't like seeing every tiny pixel moving on it's own (a bit extreme on this one though). You know these kind of useless movements before someone attacks with Tate ?
LMAO
@The:
Why do so many people on this forum have such shitty taste.
I mean, I can understand people not liking the animation/art in ussop's story (its pretty clear the budget for this ep was spent almost entirely on Robin's segment) but how can you people not appreciate the subtly in Tate's art. He uses thin and simplistic lines and yet his art still shows crazy amounts of depth and skill. Just because the lines are scribbly at times doesn't mean the art is bad.
I will tell you what I and a lot of other people await from the One Piece Anime. From an Anime based of a Manga people await to see the original authors artwork move the best way possible.
Tates artwork does NOT resemble the artwork of Oda. This is the reason why I and other people do not like his art style.
If he would do movies or animes NOT based on Manga but on books there would be a lot less bitching about his artstyle.
Now the reason why this is for me the worst episode EVER done in One Piece. Well this applies only for the Robin part.
@The:
And i'm kinda shocked at how so few people have acknowledged how fucking good the directing in this episode was. creative camera angles and actually good pacing reaaaally made this episode great. Fuck the haters.
You are right. The directing was fucking awesome. If this would have been a 100% filler episode where Robin strands on an Island, gets taken prisoner and has to find a way back to the others it would have been one of the best filler episodes ever.
Oh yeah right. It WAS a 100% filler episode but do you know where the problem lies? IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE A 100% FILLER EPISODE!!!!!!!
They were supposed to connect the dots left open by oda in a plausible, logical way. But they didn't. What we got is a stupid spoiler kid, an incompetent Robin, a really bad portrait of the rebels, a really stupid chief warden and a lot of other crap.
I don't know who is responsible for the script of the Robin part but this person should get fired or better the one who approved it.
This was supposed to be the most informativ and therefore the best of the Coverstorys but they totally failed. I can't find words to express my disappointment and anger about this episode.
And this may be the reason we never got any of the other cover stories animated since Coby and Helmeppo's :ninja:
@No:
And this may be the reason we never got any of the other cover stories animated since Coby and Helmeppo's :ninja:
No Toei Animation stated clearly that they don't animate the other Coverstories because there is no demand for it.
To make it clear for you. Most Anime only viewer think of the animated coverstories as extremly bad filler. So a filler with a Strawhat gets more viewers than an animated coverstory
Good thing there are gonna be recaps
The more we wait for the war, the more time they'l have to Animate the War
I for one am grateful for the dialogue added to Usopp's coverstory. I mean, the whole "The Island is gonna eat you if you're fat" thing… I didn't get that from the covers. Now at least I know Usopp isn't going to be fat forever, which means of course that Sanji isn't going to be an okama and Franky isn't going to be Mr. Gentleman forever (well, we already determined that from Franky's most recent ep... >.>)
Another thing. I REALLY LIKE seeing the crew in the middle of all this. It was around this point in the manga where I started to get unenthusiastic because we weren't seeing much of the other crew, so the placement was excellent. Really, REALLY looking forward to the crew reuniting. Want it done before the end of the year, in the manga, at least. -.-
I will tell you what I and a lot of other people await from the One Piece Anime. From an Anime based of a Manga people await to see the original authors artwork move the best way possible.
Tates artwork does NOT resemble the artwork of Oda. This is the reason why I and other people do not like his art style.
If he would do movies or animes NOT based on Manga but on books there would be a lot less bitching about his artstyle.
Just wanted to support your point by saying that I'm definitely one of those other people.^^
I'm sure that if your brain waited a little more for you to read the next part of the post, it wouldn't
Great episode, Tate didn't dissappoint.
Tate's art style might doesn't resemble Oda's but for me NO ONE can capture One Piece atmosphere as perfect as him.
While the other director's works tend to me feel like watching empty anime with OP characters within, Tate's works actually make me feel like watching One Piece the way I know. Also, Nico Robin actually looks like her for god's sake. They never give her any justice with the other directors(except Inoue, which is even better than the original sometimes).
Tate is the man.
doess anyone know what they are going to recap
or is it the kid stories all over again
I'm sure that if your brain waited a little more for you to read the next part of the post, it wouldn't
Stil the idea of recaps being ….good , that's like saying clip shows are awesome , it's just so surreal :ninja:
Anyway hope Brooke's part is longer next week . For a number of reasons . :ninja:
Judging the art in an animated cartoon is a little different from judging the art in a single painting. Taking a bunch of random screenshots isn't going to get you anywhere, especially with a skilled animator like Tate because many of the frames you may capture mid-action that have the worst distortion are not meant to be looked at for more than a fraction of a second and aren't reflective at all of the animator's ability to accurately render a character. Those frames just give the action that extra punch on screen which is pretty important, y'know, for a cartoon…
Thank you, why do so few people get this? :ninja:
@No:
Anyway hope Brooke's part is longer next week . For a number of reasons . :ninja:
The longer Brook's segment is, the less footage Zoro gets and the less fuel AGOG obtains for his wall-of-text foundry.
some people's ability to focus on animation while there are more than ugly images on the screen always amazes me. i mean they are kinda like the people who can see the beauty-inside who make me feel like a jerk.
i know tate is the mastermind behind one of the coolest moments of op but these labor island parts must be most horrifying and hard-to-watch things i have ever seen on an anime. i just can't see past it.
some people's ability to focus on animation while there are more than ugly images on the screen always amazes me. i mean they are kinda like the people who can see the beauty-inside who make me feel like a jerk.
i know tate is the mastermind behind one of the coolest moments of op but these labor island parts must be most horrifying and hard-to-watch things i have ever seen on an anime. i just can't see past it.
Yay, somebody else gets it!
The longer Brook's segment is, the less footage Zoro gets and the less fuel AGOG obtains for his wall-of-text foundry.
The reason I said it was to have as low amount of "Horohorhoro" as possible . But the episode is already out so you guys probably know it better then I .
I was wondering if anyone could make a gif of Ussop getting up by eating ramen , just to ilustrate what I don't like about Tate ?
It's Willy Wonka's Food Forest!
I thought the same exact thing, only because I was already thinking Wonka because of this chocolate bar:
Anyone know if Tate is a Willy Wonka fan?
@No:
The reason I said it was to have as low amount of "Horohorhoro" as possible . But the episode is already out so you guys probably know it better then I .
I was wondering if anyone could make a gif of Ussop getting up by eating ramen , just to ilustrate what I don't like about Tate ?
I think she horo'd her tail off about 4 times.
@Muda:
I thought the same exact thing, only because I was already thinking Wonka because of this chocolate bar:
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/8866/wonkabar.jpg
Anyone know if Tate is a Willy Wonka fan?
That's a win, man. Did not see that.
So…..we def. have our first realization that oda does infact tell the anime directors some info about places. The island being alive and whatnot.
@Gia:
So…..we def. have our first realization that oda does infact tell the anime directors some info about places. The island being alive and whatnot.
Which I posted a while ago - saying that the animation is like a Directors cut of the Manga. While Oda is not 100% involved in the anime he is more then capable of giving them indications of how to space out "certain" episodes to allow him to further expand on them at a later date.
This does not mean every "Filler" is 100% cannon but it is foolish to discount anything occuring in the fillers specifically about the SH's seperation as non cannon.
Hopefully certain people on this forums will come to that realisation.
Which I posted a while ago - saying that the animation is like a Directors cut of the Manga. While Oda is not 100% involved in the anime he is more then capable of giving them indications of how to space out "certain" episodes to allow him to further expand on them at a later date.
This does not mean every "Filler" is 100% cannon but it is foolish to discount anything occuring in the fillers specifically about the SH's seperation as non cannon.
Hopefully certain people on this forums will come to that realisation.
Sorry man, but you're overdoing it a bit. I do like the anime more than most people here, but you think filler is almost canon? Zoro cutting steal before Arabasta and Chopper eating 3 Rumble Balls in the Davy Back Fight filler without a problem would like to have a word with you.
It's obvious Oda did tell the anime directors in that occasion (the SH Separation), but that's because he's gotten closer with them due to Movie 10.
And the anime is definitely not a Director's Cut of the manga-bad analogy.
Sorry man, but you're overdoing it a bit. I do like the anime more than most people here, but you think filler is almost canon? Zoro cutting steal before Arabasta and Chopper eating 3 Rumble Balls in the Davy Back Fight filler without a problem would like to have a word with you.
It's obvious Oda did tell the anime directors in that occasion (the SH Separation), but that's because he's gotten closer with them due to Movie 10.
And the anime is definitely not a Director's Cut of the manga-bad analogy.
I can see you missed the part me saying
This does not mean every "Filler" is 100% cannon but it is foolish to discount anything occuring in the fillers specifically about the SH's seperation as non cannon.
And he has always had a close relationship with the Anime directors.
In SBS Volume 21
1. First of all, what I MUST tell you is that I am a manga artist. I don't create anime. All that I do is character design for the anime original stories and the theatrical release movies. Nothing serious. Basically, the world of One Piece that I create in the manga is entrusted to others to follow in the anime.
4. If their opinions and mine do not meet, Luffy instantly ceases to be Luffy and the world becomes entirely different. No matter how hard I work to create the original story, if the anime's "directing" is wrong, it all becomes nothing. But the reason that doesn't happen, and instead even more amazing things are created, is thanks to Uda-san and his Directing Fighters, for understanding the world of OP so well and for "directing".
In SBS 13 There is a scene that is put into the filler.
**> O: Those are goggles. "Sniper goggles". At first he only wore them for looks, but in Loguetown he got the brand new model from "North Blue". The scene on the right was supposed to be the first page of chapter 98, in volume 11. The number of pages went over the limit, so we scrapped it. It's got sunglasses on it to eliminate glare when he's aiming, and it can flip up and turn around and stuff like that, so Usopp really liked it.
(Page on the right)
Usopp: Hmmmm? Hmmmm. Ooooooh. Damn!! I like these goggles!!
Lady: You got an eye for the good stuff. That's the newest model from "North Blue". It came with the Marines when their annual import ship came by.
Usopp: I also want this watch, and this magnet! Oh, don't you have any raw eggs?!
Lady: Go to the supermarket for that!!
There are a few more examples littered through the SBS's that I have been checking into - including the one refering to Shanks and Buggy when their young. I think the further the Manga goes and the limitations put on each book and the re-assurance that the Anime will be able to further elaborate on sections allows Oda to push the story forward faster then having storys slowed to explain too much.**
It's obvious Oda did tell the anime directors in that occasion (the SH Separation), but that's because he's gotten closer with them due to Movie 10.
Actually Oda does mention the anime staff since early days, like telling them to not call Rayleigh "captain" in the Buggy/Shanks flashback. Heck, there's a pretty old interview with Oda and anime staffers where they say that even the anime starting from a different point was decided in a meeting with the author.
Contradictions like Zoro cutting steel and the Rumble Balls (which are pretty much always the same tired anti-anime points) are bound to happen in a long-running adaptation, since not even Oda has the entire plot planned in advance, according to the man himself.