Nah, it looks like Usopp covered his face the moment the mask came off. Chopper probably didn't get a good enough look.
Chapter 381 "Fired" Discussion
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it surely has already been said, i won't browse the whole thread, but i'm pretty sure oda gave us a hint of how chopper and luffy will discover that sogeking is usopp. he'll lose his mask again in a fight.
by the way, great chapter, i really enjoy the slow pace from the last 4 - 5 ones. they're fun and full of action.
i'm just afraid that luffy might be tired, that'd be great if he found some meat on the way. (dogs? :laugh: just kidding…)
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actually it's pretty gruesome either way. If she weighed more she'd end up snapping her head off, and if she was too light she's asphyxiate herself.
How'd she suffocate herself? I don't think the noose tightens if there's no weight, does it? Correct me if I'm wrong. Unless it's some physics thing about density then I would really want an explanation to educate myself.. XD
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Meh yesterday I was in a royally bad mood, my last exam didn't go as well as hoped, that does that to a person, so I probably overreacted a bit to Paulie's behavior.. but now I've woken up after getting royally drunk yesterday and smooching with some fine ladies at the various bars we went to.. so I'm feeling somewhat better =). Anyway, I take back what I said about Paulie coming off as forced, however, I stand by what I said about the strategy:
It's nice for the story, but it's tactically very dubious..
@Mog:I disagree entirely. As mentioned earlier, every second counts in getting to CP9 as quickly as possible. Any enemy they face along the way will prove to be a serious hindrance.
I don't how see how wanting to save Robin before she passes the gate is in any sense of the word a ''crummy tactic''.
The crummy part is keeping your main fighters back - the Rocketman running circles while galley-la+FF rushes ahead is the biggest example. Speed is of the essence, so the sound thing to do would have been to go in with everyone at once to maximize your fighting potential.
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@jackvance:
The crummy part is keeping your main fighters back - the Rocketman running circles while galley-la+FF rushes ahead is the biggest example. Speed is of the essence, so the sound thing to do would have been to go in with everyone at once to maximize your fighting potential.
Well while the majority may disagree with my I´m still sure that the plan with the Rocket Man was to get as fast as possible to CP9 before they sent Nico Robin through the Gate of Justice. The Rocket Man went back to catch speed. Why else would they need speed if not to rush through Enies Lobby and to cross the canyon? Catching speed to stop an unstoppable train doesn´t make sense.
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So.. does that mean you agree it was a crummy tactic or..?
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@jackvance:
So.. does that mean you agree it was a crummy tactic or..?
Depends actually on what crummy means actually. Is it a good or a bad thing.
And if it means that it is a bad tactic, then to agree or not I have know to what you refer as a crummy tactic. The thing they´ve planned with the Rocket Man wasn´t a bad tactic but it didn´t work well because the Entrance Gate got sealed again and Rocket Man crashed at Enies Lobby bringing the Strawhats back to the guys from which they´ve seperated.
Doesn´t mean that the tactic itself was bad because it appears to be the quickest way to get to the Gate of Justice that could have been thought of.
It just didn´t work well because Galley-La and FF did a sloppy job on taking the WG officials and marines down in order to make sure that the Entrance Gate stays opened. -
Funny chapter, the perfect climatact in action. XD
Ussop diving to get his mask was funny too, damn Chopper is so gullable, poor guy.
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Well I just never saw the point in sending a part of your team ahead to clear the way for the others.. if you all just go together, then it'll all go faster (because Sanji and Zoro can mop the floor with the enemies a lot faster than Galley-la and FF can)..
I dunno, maybe I'm missing something here but..
scenario 1: A goes ahead and clears the way while B stays back. Then B joins up with A at place X.
scenario 2: A and B go together to place X.
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Well I interpret it as I said, team b clears the way for team a so that it can speed through the island in an instand and jump with the Rocket Man over the cliff. That´s the fastest way.
The plan as I see it that if it would have worked out, Rocket Man would not only catched up with team b but also would have left them behind in the same second in order to go ahead for the Gate of Justice. That´s the plan as I take it. It just didn´t work out because team b did a sloppy job and left enough officials and marines to close the Entrance Gate again. But if it would have worked out then Rocket Man would probably already would have even made more progress then Luffy. Get what I mean?
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Ah ok like that it would indeed make more sense lol =) I took the plan to be: We clear the way up until the tower CP9 is in, you guys then come over and go in the tower and kick some CP9 ass.. that's why I was wondering why they didn't just all go together in the first place (but I kinda let it slip cuz it was necessary to give galley-la+FF their moments to shine)
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actually it's pretty gruesome either way. If she weighed more she'd end up snapping her head off, and if she was too light she's asphyxiate herself.
If she doesn't weigh anything when the floor drops out from under her, the noose will not tighten, thusly, not affecting her in the slightest. They'd have to grab her and yank her down to get the noose to tighten in that case.
She's not a balloon, with her ability, she can likely maintain a position in mid air and simply float in place.
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Btw, I've been thinking for awhile:
Chopper should be able to identify Sogeking as Usopp with his nose or was he too excited by Sogeking's coolness that he forgot how Usopp smelt?
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i keep wondering. what if Nami owns around Enise lobby so much they decide ot put bounty on her head. how would that affect her nad everyone else? :laugh:
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If she doesn't weigh anything when the floor drops out from under her, the noose will not tighten, thusly, not affecting her in the slightest. They'd have to grab her and yank her down to get the noose to tighten in that case.
She's not a balloon, with her ability, she can likely maintain a position in mid air and simply float in place.
First off she can't go to nothing, the lowest is 1 kg i think. Second at that wieght she does float as she is less dense then air…. Hung upside down?
But i don't tihnk it will come to that, mr.5, miss golden week, and miss valentine will probably make a deal to work with the marines or something to catch mr.3. Ever notice that in alot of the mini stories bad guys go good?
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Ever notice that in alot of the mini stories bad guys go good?
Or rather, the remaining free BW helps free Miss Valentine, then decides to stick together from then on for some silly reason. I don't see the Mr. 1 pair entering the group, though. I mean, Paula/Doublefinger might, but Bonez?
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Well I still think that Mr. 2 might join the scene. You know with all his talk about helping friends etc. it isn´t that unlikely. Plus we already saw his wanted poster and the description that he is still on the run aswell as a character that could actually be him in camouflage.
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Well I still think that Mr. 2 might join the scene. You know with all his talk about helping friends etc. it isn´t that unlikely. Plus we already saw his wanted poster and the description that he is still on the run aswell as a character that could actually be him in camouflage.
What character was this?
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@Octogon:
What character was this?
The one on far on the right at the title page of chapter 374. You see he has some Bon Kurei like make up. Other than that he is wearing Miss Goldenweeks original outfit. I mean if at this page Miss Goldenweek, Miss Valentine and Mr. 5 can wear new robes, why can´t Mr. 2?
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Well I still think that Mr. 2 might join the scene. You know with all his talk about helping friends etc. it isn´t that unlikely. Plus we already saw his wanted poster and the description that he is still on the run aswell as a character that could actually be him in camouflage.
Why should he be in enies lobby.. and.. what would he do? O___o
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That's no reason… ô_O That just raises the possibility...
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Hm, well what if I put it like this:
The reason mr.2 is in Enies Lobby is because it is brim-filled with men.
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This would mean, there also could be crocodile, gedatsu, buggy usw o_O
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Since when are they ghey?
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Lol, you´re killing me jack. :laugh:
@ Rakuen: Did it ever cross your mind that I might have been talking about the title page story?
Ok maybe terms like "title page", "Miss Goldenweek", "Miss Valentine" and "Mr. 5" werent clues enought to make you see what I was talking about, but the fact that I was talking to cangsho´s about the title page story should actually have got the one or the other bell ringing.
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oh, right.. okay.. you are right >_<
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Gatherine… what was I going to say about her? Oh yeah, as long as this turns out to be Miss Goldenweek's real name, I'm happy. I wouldn't mind about seeing Bon Clay too though, it would cause an interesting paradox in the cartoon: Bon Clay and Franky on the very same scene.
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Gatherine… what was I going to say about her? Oh yeah, as long as this turns out to be Miss Goldenweek's real name, I'm happy. I wouldn't mind about seeing Bon Clay too though, it would cause an interesting paradox in the cartoon: Bon Clay and Franky on the very same scene.
What are you talking about. Bon Kurei at Enies Lobby was just a joke from jackvance. As I just told Rakuen in my last post we were talking about the title page stories.
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Bon Kurei at Enies Lobby was just a joke from jackvance.
I got that. It really wasn't releated to the joke, but just mindless mumbling. Running into Bon Clay in this arc or in the following isn't all ruled out, I think. If he ever were prisoned, Impel Down would had been his five star hotel of doom. And didn't they just refer him as "master of escape". This added to the Oda's statement of Bon Clay soon coming back to the story (I think this was information coming from sera, I'll dig it up later), it's not all that bad guess. Besides, I still want to see SanjiXBon-chan Kicking-Power-House-Duo working on the same side.
Edit: Couldn't find it. It was probably discussed a little less than a year ago, long before the forums' got reseted. But I clearly remember sera saying something about Japaneses fans asking… I could be wrong though.
But off I go to the bed.
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Agent Panda!
WHEN IT COMES TO CATCHING THE CRIMINAL, PANDAMAN PLAYS BY HIS OWN RULES
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Oh man, agent Pandaman <3 That is glorious.
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Hmmm, he could've become a Quaker…
"I EAT OATS FOR 3.3 MILLION POWER!"
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Wow with the perfect climatact Nami could make like… extreme mirages. She could hide them all and they could sneak in. Seems to me that this would be much easier and faster then what there doing now (but less interesting to read). In other notes I hope she gets some new moves and not just extreme versions of old ones. Plus sogeking has that new weapon.... (as seen in the colour spread).... Do you think Chopper will get any new forms or make a longer lasting rumble ball?.... GAsp what if CP9 gets a rumble ball?!?!?!
Wow the ideas are just flowing like very warm, watered down molasis...
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Has anybody noticed that Nami is getting mad at Us… er Soge King for making the Perfect Clima Tact too powerful, when back in Alabasta she was ticked off at him for making little more than a party toy?
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Has anybody noticed that Nami is getting mad at Us… er Soge King for making the Perfect Clima Tact too powerful, when back in Alabasta she was ticked off at him for making little more than a party toy?
Hey, nice observation. Didn´t look at it that way. I was too much distracted that she actually hit Sogeking and he wasn´t pissed at her like somebody who actually doesn´t belong to them would be.
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wow … finaly !!! what i've been waiting for .... the perfect climatact :proud:
sogeking: "….. on top of that, usopp-kun says that he doesn't remember putting this kind of ability on it!!!" …. idiot :laugh:
Actually, I think the reason why Oda wrote this is to show us that even Usopp, the inventor of the climatact, does not totally know all the capabilities of this weapon. After all, he's not an expert in the weather and the intricacies of it like Nami is. Plus, the effects of the weapon might vary depending on the weather of the location where they are in.
So this statement was made by Usopp to show us that Nami's weapon is not restricted to specific attacks, and Oda has lots of room to play around with this weapon… That's my perspective on this :)
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@kashew:
Actually, I think the reason why Oda wrote this is to show us that even Usopp, the inventor of the climatact, does not totally know all the capabilities of this weapon. After all, he's not an expert in the weather and the intricacies of it like Nami is. Plus, the effects of the weapon might vary depending on the weather of the location where they are in.
So this statement was made by Usopp to show us that Nami's weapon is not restricted to specific attacks, and Oda has lots of room to play around with this weapon… That's my perspective on this :)
I agree with that. It gives the weapon a totally different level by saying that because of the reasons you mentioned. The weapon definitely is established as something that can be differently strong compared to who is holding it. Just like a sword itself doesn´t make a good sword fighter. Compare Luffy´s skill with swords to Zoro´s skill with them and you get what I mean. So just like Zoro can always create new attacks with his swords because he understands the essense of sword fighting, Nami can come up with constantly new attacks with her Perfect Clima Tact because she understands the essense of weather, while Usopp doesn´t. Sky´s the limit here. That´s what Usopp´s statement tries to prove IMO.
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did you guys noticed in the chapter 371 cover, mr. 3?
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One Piece - 381 HQ (20 Character limit BLAH BLAH BLAH)
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Sweet, thanks Battle Franky!
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Kewl, thanks for the 20 character blah blah blah…oops, I meant thanks for the HQ. :laugh:
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this is an awesome chapter getting more and more exciting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It seems like Sanji was right next to Pauly on the Yagara King, and then as far away as possible….
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Just a thought but original nami's climatact had 3 abilities, each located inside the conesponding tubes. BUt now with the dials, thats are located at the joints of the tubes, there are 4 possiblities. (this is a theory, i don't think oda's shown us the entire thing yet). This dial could be the source of any new attacks/ combos she comes up with. Any ides on what, if any, this dial could be?
P.S. this relates to this chapter cause poeple been saying that she wouldn;t have any new attacks…
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It seems like Sanji was right next to Pauly on the Yagara King, and then as far away as possible….
If you mean between page 16 and 17 it wasn't Sanji that moved, it was Paulie. Sanji took over the reins from Paulie. But the saddle looks longer on page 17.
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Just a thought but original nami's climatact had 3 abilities, each located inside the conesponding tubes. BUt now with the dials, thats are located at the joints of the tubes, there are 4 possiblities. (this is a theory, i don't think oda's shown us the entire thing yet). This dial could be the source of any new attacks/ combos she comes up with. Any ides on what, if any, this dial could be?
P.S. this relates to this chapter cause poeple been saying that she wouldn;t have any new attacks…
That's a nice theory, very possible. But nami probaley does have some new attacks. Oda just wouldn't make us sit through the same attacks.
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Yeah, seeing Nami do a hugly damaging area attack was so unexpected. I can't wait to see what her new ultimate can do. Sure the Tekkai can make the users body like steel, but a tornado can put a straw through a brick wall.
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hopefully she can make that large area attack funneled to one point. Maybe the new dial could be a wind (breeze) dial or a more powerful variation so she CAN make tornatos (as Luffies hat sujjested) Im pretty sure she cant tdo that with only heat, coolness, and electrcity. (last time those birds had nothing to do with weather)
edit also how could she do that move with the birds if the ends (or at least one end) is blocked by the dials. Shes gonna need a new finishing move!!