Next Crewmate Discussion (Vol. 4)

[Retardia]

Oh my. I'm just leaving for sleep and there was more than 15 page that i was failed to read comprehensively.
This thread is the second thread that heavily generates traffic next to spoiler thread for sure.

[Deicide]

@Darkstorm:

Speculation is fine if it can actually stand up to any kind of scrutiny.

Thus far all that has been offered is messy, labourious and Byzantine theories.

Well, it's really hard for a theory to have any impact when people are prejudiced against it in the first place. Most people around here are not even willing to say something is "possible". Just because it's unlikely it doesn't mean it's impossible.

A few months ago there were some vocal members completely disregarding the chance that Hancock would reach the boat in which Luffy would escape the war. And it happened.

Then people were really disbelieving we would return to Amazon Lily. It happened.

So how can anyone say something WON'T happen?

You can't possibly expect me or anyone to know what will happen. We just throw possible scenarios. See the disclaimer in my signature. We can get right some broad things, like "AL will be safe" or "Hancock will join", but you can't expect us to tell you how it will happen.

And besides, if Oda came here with a fake nickname and spitted the beans about what would happen in a very broad sense, I bet everyone would bash him and tell it was impossible to happen.

And since this is pretty much the vital point on which everything relies, it's pretty funny to hear you deride it as a point for "something to hold on to".

Well, it is what it is. It's not an invalid argument, but it's the only one who carries some weight.

[Hinscher]

it doesn't matter what anyone says about hancock, their proof, specualtion or anything.

you guys don't listen, you just post teh same damn stuff over and over and its annoying. you all just say "

she can't leave her island cause then the WG will send ONE admiral and poof they are all dead. You know this all mighty powerful admiral that apparantly can destroy entire islands like nothing, yet for the longest time couldn't get past a few fish in a calm sea.

[Darkstorm]

Deicide.

I weigh up everything fairly. Which is why I see Jinbei joining as somewhat more likely then it was last year(check my posts from the time if you so wish).

And yet Hancock has not changed at all. The exact same problem she had in amazon lily the first time through is the same problem she has now(check my posts from the time if you so wish).

@Hinscher:

it doesn't matter what anyone says about hancock, their proof, specualtion or anything.

you guys don't listen, you just post teh same damn stuff over and over and its annoying. you all just say "

she can't leave her island cause then the WG will send ONE admiral and poof they are all dead. You know this all mighty powerful admiral that apparantly can destroy entire islands like nothing, yet for the longest time couldn't get past a few fish in a calm sea.

Hush now, we've seen the powers of all three admirals and you know they can all do that.

And you have no right to talk when you didn't answer most of my responses to your posts. I don't mind you saying you didn't have the time, but it does not entitle you to make such an untrue blanket statement as you are now doing.

[Hinscher]

@Darkstorm:

I weigh up everything fairly. Which is why I see Jinbei joining as somewhat more likely then it was last year(check my posts from the time if you so wish).

And yet Hancock has not changed at all. The exact same problem she had in amazon lily the first time through is the same problem she has now(check my posts from the time if you so wish).

let me guess.

Hancock has to stay and protect her island of pirates from the WG

Jimbei is free to sail with the Strawhats and leaver the island of civilians in fishman island to their fate

No what has changed since this started?

Hancock's island, nope.
Jimbei's island, yep. Since we met Jimbei, his island was protected, and is no longer protected. Whitebeard dying hurt his chances. Hancock as you said hasn't changed, her chance of joining whether you think small or large in respect to her island hasn't changed. Jimbei's has, and for the worse

[Darkstorm]

What has changed is his bond with Luffy has grown.

And Jinbei is not the ruler of FI, and does not have the same duty to it that hancock does to AL. He may choose to stay behind to protect it, and I can certain say that on the balance of probability that he will not join, check back on that if you wish.

Also, nice to see that the special hinscher selective answering agenda is as active as ever.

[Verilance]

The main problem with the "she must stay and protect Amazon Lily" argument is that the WG most probably won't be after Amazon Lily but Hancock herself, thus she will actually be protecting Amazon lily if she leaves and like Robin and Franky before her, she would be protected by travelling with the Strawhats.

[Deicide]

@Darkstorm:

I weigh up everything fairly. Which is why I see Jinbei joining as somewhat more likely then it was last year(check my posts from the time if you so wish).

And yet Hancock has not changed at all. The exact same problem she had in amazon lily the first time through is the same problem she has now(check my posts from the time if you so wish).

Well, considering that we have Impel Down and the War as the focus of the story, and Hancock herself had very brief appearances during the war, it's no wonder Amazon Lily's situation hasn't changed. Now we are back to Amazon Lily and things will change either now or never. And no one here can say for certain which option Oda will take.

[Darkstorm]

@Verilance:

The main problem with the "she must stay and protect Amazon Lily" argument is that the WG most probably won't be after Amazon Lily but Hancock herself, thus she will actually be protecting Amazon lily if she leaves and like Robin and Franky before her, she would be protected by travelling with the Strawhats.

-Pirate island only days away from Marineford itself
-WG needs to show others how they deal with traitors

@Deicide:

Well, considering that we have Impel Down and the War as the focus of the story, and Hancock herself had very brief appearances during the war, it's no wonder Amazon Lily's situation hasn't changed. Now we are back to Amazon Lily and things will change either now or never. And no one here can say for certain which option Oda will take.

Obviously. But we can say there has been no compelling idea posited that would enable Hancock to join the strawhats. Therefore the chance of her joining remains low. It is merely the first one we will know the outcome of.

[Hinscher]

@Darkstorm:

What has changed is his bond with Luffy has grown.

And Jinbei is not the ruler of FI, and does not have the same duty to it that hancock does to AL. He may choose to stay behind to protect it, and I can certain the balance of probability that he will join, check back on that if you wish.

Also, nice to see that the special hinscher selective answering agenda is as active as ever.

how about you shut the fuck up until i see you quote every single person in this thread. i ignore the pointless immature posts out there, that are just insulting to others and downright demeaning, such as AGOG. Some of you I have ignored, such as yourself, so I dont' always read them. and others there are too many posted to quote them all and adress every thought. how old are you that you need my attention so bad

Ok so Jimbei's relationship has changed since meeting luffy, hmm glad we can't say that about Hancock. She is still trying to kill him right? we talk about how much devolopment and relatinoship luffy and her have been getting during this whole time and you all just shoot it down saying HER ISLAND. if we give up examples of ways for her to leave, you guys all say "thats not strawhat material to leave her people to be attacked"

and here you are saying jimbei has been given luffy devolopment and he doesn't need to stay and protect his people. is the hypocracy a little high here

[Verilance]

You agree with my point then the traitor is Hancock so attacking the island if Hancock is not there is entirely pointless and too much of a risk in the weakened state the marines find themselves in.

Only if Hancock is there would a Buster Call be sanctioned IMO and with anything less they would never succeed.

[Hinscher]

@Darkstorm:

-Pirate island only days away from Marineford itself
-WG needs to show others how they deal with traitors

Obviously. But we can say there has been no compelling idea posited that would enable Hancock to join the strawhats. Therefore the chance of her joining remains low. It is merely the first one we will know the outcome of.

whats your compelling idea for Jimbei to join?

and not touching the they are days away thing. sick of it going in on ear and out the other

[Darkstorm]

@Hinscher:

how about you shut the fuck up until i see you quote every single person in this thread. i ignore the pointless immature posts out there, that are just insulting to others and downright demeaning, such as AGOG. Some of you I have ignored, such as yourself, so I dont' always read them. and others there are too many posted to quote them all and adress every thought. how old are you that you need my attention so bad

Ok so Jimbei's relationship has changed since meeting luffy, hmm glad we can't say that about Hancock. She is still trying to kill him right? we talk about how much devolopment and relatinoship luffy and her have been getting during this whole time and you all just shoot it down saying HER ISLAND. if we give up examples of ways for her to leave, you guys all say "thats not strawhat material to leave her people to be attacked"

and here you are saying jimbei has been given luffy devolopment and he doesn't need to stay and protect his people. is the hypocracy a little high here

I have replied to everything aimed my way with a question that I have seen, so perhaps we can have less of the insults from you.

Hancock joining Luffy has remained the same from the end of AL.
Jinbei joining Luffy has not remained the same since leaving ID.

The point I was making is not terribly hard to grasp.

@Hinscher:

whats your compelling idea for Jimbei to join?

and not touching the they are days away thing. sick of it going in on ear and out the other

You say in one ear and out the other, but you seem to somehow have missed the fact that I don't think Jinbei will join.

Do try reading my posts now.

[Hinscher]

@Darkstorm:

I have quoted everything aimed my way with a question, so perhaps we can have less of the insults from you.

Hancock joining Luffy has remained the same from the end of AL.
Jinbei joining Luffy has not remained the same since leaving ID.

The point I was making is not terribly hard to grasp.

so you quote everything aimed your way and you don't answer, but ask a question. how convenient, can't be proven wrong if you don't answer now can we. I might as well do same thing.

Lets get this question figured out. How has Jimbei's chances of joining changed since ID?

First Question:
Why was Jimbei in Impel Down in first place?

[Deicide]

@Darkstorm:

-Pirate island only days away from Marineford itself
-WG needs to show others how they deal with traitors

I've already said no answer I give you will satisfy you. You've just assumed that AL will be a priority target, that it's completely vulnerable, that the WG can spare the resources to attack it and that the Kuja are just doomed.

I'll, however, say how I see it. I know you won't agree, but at least you'll know how I view things. To me, Hancock's title will be lost anyway, AL will be in danger anyway, and the marines will be focused in other, direr situations, like the incoming wave of rookie pirates from every sea, the struggles in the New World, the surge of activity of Dragon's revolutionary army, the exploits of Blackbeard, the search for Level 6 escapees and hunting down Hancock herself, who will not be in AL anymore.

As for why Hancock will leave the island: her sisters, Nyon and the kuja themselves will encourage her to go, because they just want her to be happy, her title will be gone anyway, her being away from the island will make it less of a priority target, and the Kujas are not sheep afraid of a fight.

I know this won't convince you. It's just speculation without any solid base. However, OP's story was always about freedom, the search for happiness and surpassing huge obstacles, so I don't see Hancock's story ending exactly like it began.

[Airflow]

@Hinscher:

i ignore the pointless immature posts out there, that are just insulting to others and downright demeaning, such as AGOG.

@Hinscher:

how about you shut the fuck up until i see you quote every single person in this thread. how old are you that you need my attention so bad

oh don't mind me, carry on.

[Darkstorm]

@Hinscher:

so you quote everything aimed your way and you don't answer, but ask a question. how convenient, can't be proven wrong if you don't answer now can we. I might as well do same thing.

How so?

Why was Jimbei so against the war?

That was a typo that I have since fixed. It comes from actually answering people instead of ignoring them when their questions are too inconvenient.

To answer you anyway:

In there because he won't stand against the saviour of his people. This shows that he may well choose to stand and fight come FI, as I have said in the past, but he is not a ruler of his people and certainly has no duty to do so.

And since then his bond with luffy has obviously grown.

@Deicide:

I've already said no answer I give you will satisfy you. You've just assumed that AL will be a priority target, that it's completely vulnerable, that the WG can spare the resources to attack it and that the Kuja are just doomed.

I'll, however, say how I see it. I know you won't agree, but at least you'll know how I view things. To me, Hancock's title will be lost anyway, AL will be in danger anyway, and the marines will be focused in other, direr situations, like the incoming wave of rookie pirates from every sea, the struggles in the New World, the surge of activity of Dragon's revolutionary army, the exploits of Blackbeard, the search for Level 6 escapees and hunting down Hancock herself, who will not be in AL anymore.

As for why Hancock will leave the island: her sisters, Nyon and the kuja themselves will encourage her to go, because they just want her to be happy, her title will be gone anyway, her being away from the island will make it less of a priority target, and the Kujas are not sheep afraid of a fight.

I know this won't convince you. It's just speculation without any solid base. However, OP's story was always about freedom, the search for happiness and surpassing huge obstacles, so I don't see Hancock's story ending exactly like it began.

Yes, I don't see this happening. But we can simply wait a few weeks to see how this one will pan out.

@Verilance:

You agree with my point then the traitor is Hancock so attacking the island if Hancock is not there is entirely pointless and too much of a risk in the weakened state the marines find themselves in.

Only if Hancock is there would a Buster Call be sanctioned IMO and with anything less they would never succeed.

But now you're just making it a question of strength.

If hancock thinks the WG are going to attack, she can't leave. She doesn't know what kind of force they would use.

[Verilance]

You miss the point entirely the island is in peril only if she remains there

without her there is no reason the marines would attack in force because the target is just not worth the risk

Without a Buster call there is no chance of the marines succeeding even with a buster call it would be difficult as the island is built as a fortress.

these women hunt and kill sea kings so the navy would find them difficult to overthrow.

Hancock would leave because SHE is targeted not the island just her.

and though I think that Jinbei has the greatest chance of anyone joining after Hancock, from what he says in chapter 582 I think unless the situation changes when Luffy recovers he plans to leave (and go to Fishman Island?) he says because i cannot swim yet I will stay until Luffy recovers or something to that effect

[Darkstorm]

Momonga has stated that her seat as a warlord is the only thing protecting AL.

it's a pirate nation days away from MHQ.

[Shift]

@Verilance:

You miss the point entirely the island is in peril only if he remains there

without him there is no reason the marines would attack in force because the target is just not worth the risk

these fishmen hunt and kill sea kings so the navy would find them difficult to overthrow.

Jimbei would leave because HE is targeted not the island just him.

Fix'd.

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[Airflow]

See the World Government have this thing called resources, amazing as it sounds. They can do more than 1 things at a time. In fact they have so many resources, what with them being the most powerful entity in the world, they can do hundreds of things at the same time. 2 ships each crewed by a VA could take down Amazon Lily and they'd have plenty to spare considering the rest of their work will just be mopping up after the war. Let's face it, the island is weak. The two strongest warriors aside from Hancock were taken down by Luffy and the war has shown that at his best he's at the bottom end of the VA level. The Navy have no reason to leave them alone, they have masses of resources to take them out and they'll happily exterimate them all. This is the same navy that killed hundreds of Oharans cause there might be an archaeologist with them. They wiped out 1000 of their own men just to kill a single pirate. They continued fighting far past the point of exhaustion in the war in order to kill every single pirate at Marineford.

They're hardcore guys and there is nowt stopping them from obliterating an island that survives solely on piracy.

[Darkstorm]

@Airflow:

See the World Government have this thing called resources, amazing as it sounds. They can do more than 1 things at a time. In fact they have so many resources, what with them being the most powerful entity in the world, they can do hundreds of things at the same time. 2 ships each crewed by a VA could take down Amazon Lily and they'd have plenty to spare considering the rest of their work will just be mopping up after the war. Let's face it, the island is weak. The two strongest warriors aside from Hancock were taken down by Luffy and the war has shown that at his best he's at the bottom end of the VA level. The Navy have no reason to leave them alone, they have masses of resources to take them out and they'll happily exterimate them all. This is the same navy that killed hundreds of Oharans cause there might be an archaeologist with them. They wiped out 1000 of their own men just to kill a single pirate. They continued fighting far past the point of exhaustion in the war in order to kill every single pirate at Marineford.

They're hardcore guys and there is nowt stopping them from obliterating an island that survives solely on piracy.

Indeed.

@Shift:

Fix'd.

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Heh.

Anyway, I'm off to sleep now. Have fun.

[Hinscher]

hmm who banned me from next crewmate thread. did darkstorm get a little sad because i told him to shut up for wanting me to respond to him so much.

well whatever, i'll just post my questions here quick and then off to TV.
So here's to you darkstorm. Was going to split this up into one question a post and let you answer them, but i believe all my answers are legit

Q: Why was Jimbei in Impel Down in first place?
A: He was against the war with Whitebeard.

Q: Why was he against the war with Whitebeard?
A: Because some years ago Whitebeard said this is my territory for Fishman Island and with just his name he protected it when for hundreds of years it was ravaged, even after the WG signed a TREATY with them

Q: What happened in the war? Who won and who died?
A: WG won and Whitebeard died.

Q: So what does that mean happens to all of his territories that he was protecting?
A: They are now not protected, proof the Brownbeard panals.

Q: So what does that mean of Fishman Island?
A: It is no longer protected and back to how it was before.

These next answer based on you guy's responses
Q: Why can't Hancock join strawhats?
A: Her treaty would be revocked and her island would be attacked, and that is not a strawhat material actions

Now we gotten to the part where whitebeard died and fishman island is no longer protected and you guys believe that hancock can't join because her leaving her island to its death would not be strawhat material right?

Ok so last question
Q: How does Whitebeard dying improve Jimbei's chances of joining the strawhats?

[Halfmetal-lich]

It seems we've all calmed down a bit, so I'll wade back into this thunderstorm.

@Deicide: I wondered if you had seen the back and forth me and AGOG were having about Hancock and the World nobles….

[Super Connard]

@Verilance:

You miss the point entirely the island is in peril only if she remains there

In direct contradiction with Nyon(Oda's) 's words.

You people are in serious denial.

[Deicide]

@Halfmetal-lich:

@Deicide: I wondered if you had seen the back and forth me and AGOG were having about Hancock and the World nobles….

Nope, I usually ignore AGOG's posts unless they're short, and I was off to work most of the day. I was able to visit the thread for the first time today an hour ago, and there were so many posts, I didn't bother to read'em all.

[Verilance]

@Super:

In direct contradiction with Nyon(Oda's) 's words.

You people are in serious denial.

She is the one who has betrayed the world Government during the war, not the island HER if you cannot see this then you haven't been reading closely.

Hancock will be the one the WG is after if her Shichubakai status is revoked as we have seen with the way Doflamingo went after Moria.

You are is serious denial here if you cannot see this.

Her being on the island mean the island WILL be attacked, if she leaves, the island may be still attacked but it would have to be considered whether it is worth the risk by the marines.

[Halfmetal-lich]

I think what we really need is for Nyon, or someone to reintroduce the whole "Hancock must be there for her island's safety" idea. It's been 2 arcs since that plot thread was introduced and it in all accounts was resolved when she agreed to answer the call of the WG, because thats been the only time when they've been knocking on ALs door and acutally threating to take action against her.

All we are doing now is speculating on something that may or may not happen, based on evidence of an event that's already been resolved (Hancock having to go to Ace's Execution."

[Robo Gorilla]

@Verilance:

She is the one who has betrayed the world Government during the war, not the island HER if you cannot see this then you haven't been reading closely.

Hancock will be the one the WG is after if her Shichubakai status is reviked as we have seen with the way Doflamingo went after Moria.

No. It clearly states in the manga that without Boa's Schichibukai status, the island is doomed.

You are is serious denial here if you cannot see this.

They are both the targets.

Her being on the island mean the island WILL be attacked,

No. We don't know whether or not the WG is stripping her title.

if she leaves the island may be still attacked but it would have to be considered whether it is worth the risk by the marines.

No. You're wrong. It's stated IN THE MANGA that it will be.

[Halfmetal-lich]

@Deicide:

Nope, I usually ignore AGOG's posts unless they're short, and I was off to work most of the day. I was able to visit the thread for the first time today an hour ago, and there were so many posts, I didn't bother to read'em all.

It was this, I had mentioned how her character was the result of the world nobles and people asked me to clarify.

Why does Hancock have such a mean and rude attitude to people ? The World Nobles

Why does Hancock hate all men except Luffy? The World Nobles

Why does Hancock grow to love luffy? Because he punched a World Noble.

Who fed Hancock her devil fruit which was responsible for giving her powers? The World Nobles.

Why does Hancock hide the truth from her people? Because she doesn't wan to be weak ever again, because of what was done to her by the World Nobles

Everything we know about her is connected to the World Nobles. So when I read in a flashback chapter that a world noble is coming to visit. I start thinking Boa Hancock..

[Robo Gorilla]

@Halfmetal-lich:

I think what we really need is for Nyon, or someone to reintroduce the whole "Hancock must be there for her island's safety" idea. It's been 2 arcs since that plot thread was introduced and it in all accounts was resolved when she agreed to answer the call of the WG, because thats been the only time when they've been knocking on ALs door and acutally threating to take action against her.

All we are doing now is speculating on something that may or may not happen, based on evidence of an event that's already been resolved (Hancock having to go to Ace's Execution."

No. It said without her status the island would be attacked. It said no where "because of the war" it was just in general.

[Deicide]

@Halfmetal-lich:

It was this, I had mentioned how her character was the result of the world nobles and people asked me to clarify.

Oh, that post of yours I've seen while skimming over the thread.

Well, I agree with you, and I'll go a step further and say that I think we will have something new to discuss here in this thread even before the flashback ends.

[Halfmetal-lich]

@Robo:

No. It said without her status the island would be attacked. It said no where "because of the war" it was just in general.

That doesn't solve the problem that we are arguing about something that was solved 2 arcs ago. Don't get me wrong..it's still a VALID point for her not joining the crew, and it needs to be fully resolved before she can join. What I'm saying is that we need Oda to bring that point back into the spotlight and in relation to the current events. Because all our arugments now are just based off that first case where her island was in danger.

Deicide: Possibly, but I'm expecting a red herring on this one..

[Verilance]

@Robo:

No. You're wrong. It's stated IN THE MANGA that it will be.

It was stated in the manga that it would be if she refused to go to Marineford hmmmm I think she did if I read the manga correctly.

I am talking about what would happen if she was declared traitor now

whether the marines have the necessary force to attack Amazon Lily given the current crises is the issue.

I maintain and have always done so that if she is not on the island their is little strategic reasoning for the marines to waste valuable resources on and island that is

1)hard to get to

2)populated with warrior women all capable of using haki.

[brennen.exe]

@Hinscher:

Hmm who banned me from next crewmate thread.

Probably not a good idea to circumvent a ban by posting off-topic in another thread. If you want to reply to people, use a PM.

@Hinscher:

Q: How does Whitebeard dying improve Jinbei's chances of joining the Strawhats?

It doesn't? Not sure who said it was. Like Darkstorm, I like to believe I weigh everything pretty fairly. When I initially suggested Jinbei, I admitted it was a stretch, but thought that the setting and character type was favorable. As more information was released, I thought his chances continued to go up. Hancock, on the other hand, hasn't had anything favorable occur, and is instead in the same position she was when her character was introduced. This much has been said numorous times though.

Q: How does Jinbei protect an Island directly underneath Mariejoa when he has a bounty and just royally pissed off the Marines/World Government by actively fighting in a war against them?

Q: How does Jinbei protect an island we already know he couldn't protect?

Q: Why would Oda send the Strawhats through Fishman Island without resolving the conflict like he has in just about every other arc to date? Please note that Fishman Island has conflict while Amazon Lily currently does not.

Q: Why is it so hard to see the difference between Amazon Lily's treaty and Fishman Islands treaty? Please note that Fishman Island has conflict while Amazon Lily currently does not.

[Super Connard]

@Verilance:

She is the one who has betrayed the world Government during the war, not the island HER if you cannot see this then you haven't been reading closely.

Hancock will be the one the WG is after if her Shichubakai status is revoked as we have seen with the way Doflamingo went after Moria.

You are is serious denial here if you cannot see this.

Her being on the island mean the island WILL be attacked, if she leaves, the island may be still attacked but it would have to be considered whether it is worth the risk by the marines.

That's still fanfiction.
It's been 2 weeks and Hancock has not lost her title.
As far as the marine are concerned, Hancock is pursuing strawhat Luffy to eliminate him.
They have never found out she was the one who sneaked Luffy into ID either.

We can accuse each other to be in denial all day but facts are on our side while all you have is fanfiction and wishful thinking.

[Deicide]

@Verilance:

1)hard to get to

2)populated with warrior women all capable of using haki.

And

3. Using overwhelming resources, like Admirals or Buster Calls, to defeat an island whose entire "pirate fleet" consists of a single ship, while we have revolutionaries, Yonkou, level 6 prisoners, Blackbeard, Supernovas and Luffy (with possibly Hancock) running amok.

[Halfmetal-lich]

Huh…If Jinbei did join the crew, he'd replace Zoro has having the second highest bounty, which would be weird since Zoro is suppose to be the right-hand man of the Straw Hats.

Jinbei's bounty is 250 mill, while Zoros is 120 million.

[Airflow]

1. It's not hard to get to at all lol, don't try and fit in real life strategy in a series where people can shoot lasers out there hands.
2. The marines have oodles of resources and little to do with them, this war made little to no dent on their finances.
3. It's not about the islands strategic value it's about pride and morality. To a marine like Akainu (which seems to account for hefty chunk of marines) an pirate island that close to Marineford is completely unacceptable.
4. You're a loony if you think AL can put up any resistance against the WG. Luffy defeated their 2nd and 3rd strongest warriors fairly easily. Without Hancock the entire strawhat crew could probably defeat everyone on the island. This is the same strawhat crew that struggled to defeat an incredibly dumbed down version of Kuma.

Amazon Lily's fucked if Hancock goes.

[brennen.exe]

@Halfmetal-lich:

Huh…If Jinbei did join the crew, he'd replace Zoro has having the second highest bounty, which would be weird since Zoro is suppose to be the right-hand man of the Straw Hats. Jinbei's bounty is 250 mill, while Zoros is 120 million.

Indeed, for the moment his would, assuming there hasn't been an increase. His bounty can increase while he is off-screen doing his own thing just like Luffy's will likely increase for Impel Down and Marineford. Keep in mind the news has the Strawhat crew attacking World Nobles and escaping an Admiral. In any case, Robin had the highest bounty on the crew for a while.

[Halfmetal-lich]

@Airflow:

1. It's not hard to get to at all lol, don't try and fit in real life strategy in a series where people can shoot lasers out there hands.
2. The marines have oodles of resources and little to do with them, this war made little to no dent on their finances.
3. It's not about the islands strategic value it's about pride and morality. To a marine like Akainu (which seems to account for hefty chunk of marines) an pirate island that close to Marineford is completely unacceptable.
4. You're a loony if you think AL can put up any resistance against the WG. Luffy defeated their 2nd and 3rd strongest warriors fairly easily. Without Hancock the entire strawhat crew could probably defeat everyone on the island. This is the same strawhat crew that struggled to defeat an incredibly dumbed down version of Kuma.

Amazon Lily's fucked if Hancock goes.

Unless Nyon is like super powerful, then yes.

[Verilance]

obviously we have someone else who hasn't been reading the chapters that have happened after the war if he thinks the navy has unlimited resources

sure that is why the had to send reinforcements from south blue to west blue.

cuz they just have so many ships available on stand by

[Super Connard]

@Deicide:

And

3. Using overwhelming resources, like Admirals or Buster Calls, to defeat an island whose entire "pirate fleet" consists of a single ship, while we have revolutionaries, Yonkou, level 6 prisoners, Blackbeard, Supernovas and Luffy (with possibly Hancock) running amok.

Since when are the marine seeking out confrontations with Yonkous ?
Level6 prisoners escaping has been erased from the record by the WG.
Besides the marines can take it out on AL anytime they want while Hancock is gone with her 18year old "lover". A week after she's gone, a month, a year. Whenever they're ready

If Hancock betrays them, Amazon Lily will be attacked.
That is stated as a fact in the manga

Deny it all you want. It still won't make a difference.

[Super Connard]

@Verilance:

obviously we have someone else who hasn't been reading the chapters that have happened after the war if he thinks the navy has unlimited resources

sure that is why the had to send reinforcements from south blue to west blue.

cuz they just have so many ships available on stand by

Oh please all they have to do for instance is send the pacifistas. :happy:
I bet Sentomaru would love that.

[Shift]

@Hinscher:

These next answer based on you guy's responses
Q: Why can't Hancock join strawhats?
A: Her treaty would be revocked and her island would be attacked, and that is not a strawhat material actions

Now we gotten to the part where whitebeard died and fishman island is no longer protected and you guys believe that hancock can't join because her leaving her island to its death would not be strawhat material right?

Ok so last question
Q: How does Whitebeard dying improve Jimbei's chances of joining the strawhats?

The difference is, Jimbei has already been marked as a traitor. Whether the WG goes after FI, or leaves it to marauders, it's current position is set. Hancock, as far as we currently know, is presumably still on the WG's good side, her actions seemingly misread or unseen. If she joins Luffy now and gets found out, AL is forfeit. In short, FI = currently in danger, AL = NOT currently in danger.

This also means that if Hancock stays in AL, or at least avoids being found in cahoots with Luffy, all will be well. In Jimbei's case, it's already known he was on Luffy's side in the war; them joining forces more permanently wouldn't be much more of a surprise for the WG. Point is, no matter what Jimbei does, if he stays in FI, no way they'll let the island be. Again, in short, Hancock at AL = A-OK, Jimbei at FI = Noooo…

[Halfmetal-lich]

Even if Hancock stays and she's loses her title, that doesn't mean she'll suddenly be able to protect the island. If the full force of the WG came down on her, she alone wouldn't be enough to defeat them all.

The Don would tear her a new one most likely, and I'm sure the Admirals themselves can withstand her powers.

[Super Connard]

@Halfmetal-lich:

Huh…If Jinbei did join the crew, he'd replace Zoro has having the second highest bounty, which would be weird since Zoro is suppose to be the right-hand man of the Straw Hats.

Jinbei's bounty is 250 mill, while Zoros is 120 million.

And Hancock has the same bounty as Robin, looks like Robin and is about the same age as Robin. A definite plus for her to join, right ?

We can do this all day.

[Cyan D. Funk]

@Super:

And Hancock has the same bounty as Robin, looks like Robin and is about the same age as Robin. A definite plus for her to join, right ?

Blackbeard's bounty is close to Chopper's. He'll totally join.

[Airflow]

@Verilance:

obviously we have someone else who hasn't been reading the chapters that have happened after the war if he thinks the navy has unlimited resources

sure that is why the had to send reinforcements from south blue to west blue.

cuz they just have so many ships available on stand by

I don't even remember this but if anything it proves my point, they have influence all over the globe and can call up dozens of ships whenever they feel the need.

[Halfmetal-lich]

@Super:

And Hancock has the same bounty as Robin, looks like Robin and is about the same age as Robin. A definite plus for her to join, right ?

We can do this all day.

Indeed we can..waltz with me

But unless Zoro did something epic enough to raise his bounty, then Jinbei, who should get his own bounty put back in and raised because of the war, would seem to overshadow him
.
Unless Zoro murders Perona, then I'd raise his bounty tenfold..