Yes, I agree that scene packed more of a punch originally.
Unofficial Funi DVD discussions
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I'm going to go abit back with this post to Season 1, Third Voyage, Episode 37.
This post might come out sounding quite negative so I want to make it clear I really enjoy Funimations dub of One Piece, and overall think they are doing a great job.But with the scene envolving Nami asking Luffy's for help to beat Arlong, I feel they really lost alot of the feeling that was involved in that scene. I really don't see why, but they added some dialouge from Luffy as he walked away from Nami after giving her his hat, when origianlly, Luffy walked away in complete silence before screaming that he would help. Maybe I'm just being too picky, but I really felt that adding that dialouge really took away alot of the feeling from his shouting out.
Really I just want some other peoples opinion about this. I have watched that scene many many times which might be why I think it isn't as good anymore, so what do you all think?
I agree, that scene was better in Japanese. I still think Luffy's line should have been like "YOU BET I WILL!!!" or something like that. Because yeah, having him just casually say "Sure, I'll help you" before he shouts it out at the top of his lungs does sort of lower the impact. Still an amazing scene in both languages, but that change really wasn't necessary.
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Well if we're going to talk about stuff like that, I really felt (maybe its the delivery of the line) But I find "You Are My Friend", but I think "You are my Nakama" would've been worst. I was really hopping for "You are ONE OF US!"
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Well if we're going to talk about stuff like that, I really felt (maybe its the delivery of the line) But I find "You Are My Friend", but I think "You are my Nakama" would've been worst. I was really hopping for "You are ONE OF US!"
IIRC, didn't Arlong refer to Nami as "his friend" (in the next voyage, map room sceneS)? That was kind of weird. It makes sense for Luffy to call his crew his friends all day long but Nami was little more than his navigator, crewmember, and cartographer.
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@Dixxy:
IIRC, didn't Arlong refer to Nami as "his friend" (in the next voyage, map room sceneS)? That was kind of weird. It makes sense for Luffy to call his crew his friends all day long but Nami was little more than his navigator, crewmember, and cartographer.
I saw that as him mocking Luffy because he refers to her and the others as such.
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I'm going to go abit back with this post to Season 1, Third Voyage, Episode 37.
This post might come out sounding quite negative so I want to make it clear I really enjoy Funimations dub of One Piece, and overall think they are doing a great job.But with the scene involving Nami asking Luffy's for help to beat Arlong, I feel they really lost a lot of the feeling that was involved in that scene. I really don't see why, but they added some dialogue from Luffy as he walked away from Nami after giving her his hat, when originally, Luffy walked away in complete silence before screaming that he would help. Maybe I'm just being too picky, but I really felt that adding that dialogue really took away alot of the feeling from his shouting out.
Really I just want some other peoples opinion about this. I have watched that scene many many times which might be why I think it isn't as good anymore, so what do you all think?
I think the scene lost it's punch in EVERY version.
The scene was perfect right up until Luffy shouted. That ruined the scene for me. Putting his hat on Nami's head was enough, that simple act already communicated that Luffy was going to help her, he didn't NEED to shout "OF COURSE I WILL!"
I think FUNi's version was a tad better than the others actually because they moved towards making the scene less awkward, at least now the mood doesn't get killed when Luffy RANDOMLY SHOUTS! Now he actually says a few things to build up to the Random Shout.
I think the scene would have been P-E-R-F-E-C-T if Luffy had just stuffed the hat on her head, and walked off, saying "Let's Go!" to the others. No other words to Nami at all, that simple act would have spoken volumes.
Instead, we get a very emotional scene ruined when Luffy just RANDOMLY SHOUTS… just... uugh...
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I think the scene lost it's punch in EVERY version.
The scene was perfect right up until Luffy shouted. That ruined the scene for me. Putting his hat on Nami's head was enough, that simple act already communicated that Luffy was going to help her, he didn't NEED to shout "OF COURSE I WILL!"
I think FUNi's version was a tad better than the others actually because they moved towards making the scene less awkward, at least now the mood doesn't get killed when Luffy RANDOMLY SHOUTS! Now he actually says a few things to build up to the Random Shout.
I think the scene would have been P-E-R-F-E-C-T if Luffy had just stuffed the hat on her head, and walked off, saying "Let's Go!" to the others. No other words to Nami at all, that simple act would have spoken volumes.
Instead, we get a very emotional scene ruined when Luffy just RANDOMLY SHOUTS… just... uugh...
I completely disagree. There was nothing random about his shouting out. This scene completely sold One Piece to me. Before this scene I just saw One Piece as another anime. This scene, in my oppinioun really is the first moment that defines what One Piece is about. Funimation really ruined it. I hate to say it, as much as I love there adaption, they completely ruined this moment by adding dialouge that really wasn't needed. When I get to this point in the series with my friend who has never seen the japanese version, I will pay close attention to her reaction. Hopefully this scene still has enough emotion to convence her this isn't just your normal series.
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And what constitutes a "normal" series, anyways?
It's all opinion. I've shown someone that scene in the Japanese version and they didn't give two-shits… -_- They certainly didn't see how it's so special or whatever...
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Well, it is an emotional cornerstone for Nami, who had refrained from opening up to the others up until now. Certainly one of the biggest scenes this early into the series that defined who Luffy is, and what he believes.
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The one who shouts the loudest wins. ^_^
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I think the scene lost it's punch in EVERY version.
The scene was perfect right up until Luffy shouted. That ruined the scene for me. Putting his hat on Nami's head was enough, that simple act already communicated that Luffy was going to help her, he didn't NEED to shout "OF COURSE I WILL!"
I think FUNi's version was a tad better than the others actually because they moved towards making the scene less awkward, at least now the mood doesn't get killed when Luffy RANDOMLY SHOUTS! Now he actually says a few things to build up to the Random Shout.
I think the scene would have been P-E-R-F-E-C-T if Luffy had just stuffed the hat on her head, and walked off, saying "Let's Go!" to the others. No other words to Nami at all, that simple act would have spoken volumes.
Instead, we get a very emotional scene ruined when Luffy just RANDOMLY SHOUTS… just... uugh...
Agreed. I love that scene and it's one of my favorites in the whole series, but Luffy shouting just kills it.
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I completely disagree. There was nothing random about his shouting out. This scene completely sold One Piece to me. Before this scene I just saw One Piece as another anime. This scene, in my opinion really is the first moment that defines what One Piece is about. Funimation really ruined it. I hate to say it, as much as I love there adaption, they completely ruined this moment by adding dialogue that really wasn't needed. When I get to this point in the series with my friend who has never seen the japanese version, I will pay close attention to her reaction. Hopefully this scene still has enough emotion to convince her this isn't just your normal series.
It's not the overall scene, it was still emotional in every version, Even in the FUNi version, but the thing is, even in the Manga the shout was awkward.
This is one of the first moments we see Luffy do his "Silent Rage" thing. Where you get him with a completely stoic face, no shouting, just some slightly furrowed brows, but under that he's completely PISSED.
You can see it when he walks into Arlong Park and Calmly bashes down a wall with his bare hands, and then calmly asks "Which one's Arlong?"The shout broke that calm anger Luffy had going, and really broke the mood of the scene.
Another really good example of this is The Bellamy Punch. When he walked into town. He was emotionless with a Silent Rage bellowing underneath, then he just PUNCHED him and BAM…
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I have to agree with Demon Rin on this one.
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Yeah, makes sense to me too…
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I disagree. I liked it the way Oda did it originally.
Bellamy is different because it was the same scene. You were getting the payoff in that scene with the punch, so there was no need for him to end it with a shout. In any event, the Bellamy one began with Luffy shouting anyway…a better example for you is probably Charloss, but again there's payoff with the punch in the same scene. Whereas here, the shout serves to punctuate all that has happened to date, so for me it works better.
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I've been really busy with life and school recently and even the FYE near me closed down, but over winter-break I finally had time to catch up. S2 4th voyage was great, even the filler was better than I expected. I can't wait for 5th voyage, I'll finally get to see Mr. Prince!
I can't wait to go home and pick it up next weekend.
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I disagree. I liked it the way Oda did it originally.
Bellamy is different because it was the same scene. You were getting the payoff in that scene with the punch, so there was no need for him to end it with a shout. In any event, the Bellamy one began with Luffy shouting anyway…a better example for you is probably Charloss, but again there's payoff with the punch in the same scene. Whereas here, the shout serves to punctuate all that has happened to date, so for me it works better.
For me, the scene didn't punctuate anything. We went through a very emotional few moments, with Genzo hugging Nami, she broke down and started stabbing her arm. Luffy stopped her, and he had that silent stoic, serious Luffy look on him there. The whole scene was emotional and serious. Then suddenly, GOOFY SOUNDING RANDOM LOUD LUFFY SHOUT!…
Then serious mood again. The guys March on AP, Luffy stoically tells Genzo to Move, and calmly pounds the Wall down.
The "Payoff" was the wall coming down and "Which One's Arlong?"The Bellamy Punch was different, the Shout had a purpose there. He shouted to get Bellamy's attention, there was a Logical reason why he shouted. Then once Bellamy was outside, you had serious Stoic Luffy.
In AP, you had Nami ask for Help, you had Luffy put his hat on her head and she has that flashback where she remembers him saying "Don't Touch my Hat!", then you have Luffy walk up to the guys and say "Let's Go".
Everything else about the scene already made it abundantly clear that the gloves were off and it was Fishman Ass-kicking time. The Shout was the only wry thing about the whole scene, it was out of place and disrupts the emotional and serious "Flow" that was really built up until now."OF COURSE I WILL!" was really unneeded since we KNEW at that point he was gonna go get the job done. It just came off as silly to me.
FUNi, I think, made it less awkward, they translated the line right "Of Course" but moved it up a bit while he was turned around (and was silent in the Japanese version) and they ad-libbed in "That's what friends do", Adding to the major use of the word "Friend" that would permeate the Arlong Battle. (the part where Arlong says "Nami is My Friend", and the Part at the end where Luffy shouts "NAMI! YOU WILL ALWAYS BE MY FRIEND!")
Then, for the actual shout animation, they ad-libbed in him saying "HE'S GONNA PAY!" which is a more natural thing to shout at the time, plus it sounded a lot less awkward to have him shout after saying a few things first. Instead of "Silent Stoic Luffy" -Suddenly-> "LOUD LUFFY!" he was talking his way up to the shout. Then, the rest of the scene remains silent and stoic from there on. -
You have to wonder if Oda realizes just how sophisticated the debates about his work get.
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It's not really that sophisticated: it's basic narrative structure… And I know how that sounds... >.>
But yeah, it's pretty elementary stuff.
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It's not really that sophisticated: it's basic narrative structure… And I know how that sounds... >.>
But yeah, it's pretty elementary stuff.
Uh, I wasn't referring to the elements of the writing but the thought being put into it… sheesh...
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For me, the scene didn't punctuate anything.
It punctuated Luffy having been told multiple times that Nami had left him and had problems and not being able to do anything about the situation but wait until this point, where he can finally help someone who he regards as a friend. It's a release.
We went through a very emotional few moments, with Genzo hugging Nami, she broke down and started stabbing her arm. Luffy stopped her, and he had that silent stoic, serious Luffy look on him there. The whole scene was emotional and serious. Then suddenly, GOOFY SOUNDING RANDOM LOUD LUFFY SHOUT!…
Didn't sound goofy.
You have to wonder if Oda realizes just how sophisticated the debates about his work get.
Best selling comic book writer in people discuss his work in depth shocker? He'd be aware of it just from sbs.
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It punctuated Luffy having been told multiple times that Nami had left him and had problems and not being able to do anything about the situation but wait until this point, where he can finally help someone who he regards as a friend. It's a release.
Stuffing his hat on her head was already perfect for that, the shouting was odd and out of place. A Random shout in the middle of a stoic, emotional scene is just odd…
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Stuffing his hat on her head was already perfect for that, the shouting was odd and out of place. A Random shout in the middle of a stoic, emotional scene is just odd…
But we already know at that point that he believes in Nami, the hat was just to show her that. The shout was pretty much letting out his frustrations about not being able to do anything to that point and finally being able to do something, also showing us that what had happened had affected him.
This is all fairly opinion based anyway, if you like the way Oda did it, funi dropped the ball, if you didn't, funi were ok.
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Best selling comic book writer in people discuss his work in depth shocker? He'd be aware of it just from sbs.
I don't know about the SBS… not with some of the crap I see in there. :ninja: But I suppose you're right.
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I think the scene lost it's punch in EVERY version.
The scene was perfect right up until Luffy shouted. That ruined the scene for me. Putting his hat on Nami's head was enough, that simple act already communicated that Luffy was going to help her, he didn't NEED to shout "OF COURSE I WILL!"
I think the scene would have been P-E-R-F-E-C-T if Luffy had just stuffed the hat on her head, and walked off, saying "Let's Go!" to the others. No other words to Nami at all, that simple act would have spoken volumes.
Instead, we get a very emotional scene ruined when Luffy just RANDOMLY SHOUTS… just... uugh...
You know, i've been thinking about this and I agree. I had some spare time so I decided that instead of letting constantly express her point through words, she can express it through a video. I've made my own cut of the scene, which removes the shouting (around the 1:40 minute mark), as well as remove some other things and you know, I have to agree, I think it comes off much better.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbvu2b_37-scene-help-me-demon-rin-cut_shortfilms
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"This video contains content from Funimation Entertainment, who has decided to block it."
Unfortunate.
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That happens THE VERY INSTANT we upload ANYTHING One Piece. It's really stupid, I could upload a 10 second Clip of Luffy saying "I'm Gonna be King of the Pirates!" and they'd take it down, even though that's WAY below the timeframe for Fair use.
Meanwhile, if I wanted I could find entire Episodes on YT
Youtube's Gotten Retarded over it.
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I uploaded it to Dailymotion since that's run by better people who aren't delete crazy. You can watch it here: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbvu2b_37-scene-help-me-demon-rin-cut_shortfilms
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My Season 2 Fifth Voyage has finally shipped. Waiting for epicness~
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@ThegreatPirateKing:
I uploaded it to Dailymotion since that's run by better people who aren't delete crazy. You can watch it here: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbvu2b_37-scene-help-me-demon-rin-cut_shortfilms
Just saw it, and it looked even better than I thought it would!
Only problem with your video was, you obviously took it from the 5.1 track and removed "Overtaken" because it would be a bit out of sync after that, but you didn't put it back in afterwards. I think that removes from the impact of the scene. -
Just saw it, and it looked even better than I thought it would!
Only problem with your video was, you obviously took it from the 5.1 track and removed "Overtaken" because it would be a bit out of sync after that, but you didn't put it back in afterwards. I think that removes from the impact of the scene.I actually like the idea of the 4 'knights' walking slightly to their final battle, fully prepared for the events ahead. It gives the scene a serious tone that isn't really heard in alot of shonen series (they are generally noisy). Plus, I was able to remove Luffy's 'Get out of the way' line and move Arlong laughter over the 4, which I think adds a slight ironic twist. The 4 are walking silently into the battle which changes everything and he's just trying to laugh it off, which becomes his undoing.
…or you could just say that it would have caused sync problems, since I did move around some scenes. You take it which ever way you like.
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@ThegreatPirateKing:
I actually like the idea of the 4 'knights' walking slightly to their final battle, fully prepared for the events ahead. It gives the scene a serious tone that isn't really heard in alot of shonen series (they are generally noisy). Plus, I was able to remove Luffy's 'Get out of the way' line and move Arlong laughter over the 4, which I think adds a slight ironic twist. The 4 are walking silently into the battle which changes everything and he's just trying to laugh it off, which becomes his undoing.
…or you could just say that it would have caused sync problems, since I did move around some scenes. You take it which ever way you like.
just take the MP3 of "Overtaken" from the OST and throw it in behind everything.
If you want, Post a Version 2, that'd be cool XD -
just take the MP3 of "Overtaken" from the OST and throw it in behind everything.
If you want, Post a Version 2, that'd be cool XDMaybe later if others demand it. You're the only one to have commented on it so far XD If I did remake it, i'd attempt to upload it upload it on my other youtube account, TheAlabastaKingdom, the one for the all-encompassing fansite i've been making and announced elsewhere on this forum. I'd like a reply in that thread Rin, since you know, I can't read Japanese characters and all.
But yeah, if you want to prove your side of your agruement to people, you could always use this video as a reference point. :D
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It's not really that sophisticated: it's basic narrative structure… And I know how that sounds... >.>
But yeah, it's pretty elementary stuff.
ha i don't know about your posts, but i sure as hell hope oda doesn't take ideas from other posters on this site. if he did, i know I for one would stop reading one piece. it would turn to shit quick. i would become the biggest narutard ever if one piece was written by the members of this site.
so don't toss around the idea that narrative structure as being elementary stuff.
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I have to admit that the scene gives off a MUCH different vibe through Rin's perspective now that I've seen it first hand. I'm fine with the shout overall, but I do see her point and how it changes the feel of the scene.
And yes, seeing that with Overtaken would be awesome as well.
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Yeah, I agree with Rin, that cut was great, just add a MP3 of Overtaken and it'll be perfect!
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So I was watching Episode 80 of the FUNi dub, I'm at the part where Vivi is shot, and Luffy is about to attack the people of Drum Island for their actions.
There was a part that seem really uncalled for, I don't know if it was in the original version.
"Luffy you are not fit to be the captain of this ship! You can't use violence for all your answers."
The second half of that sentence makes sense, but the first part doesn't seem… Vivi?
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She always comments on how people lead. I think it fits.
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I just checked my Japanese manga, as well as cross-referencing Kaizoku's Episode 80 (Because most everyone believes them over everyone, and barring "Nakama" type translation stuff I sometimes speak out against, they're extremely accurate)
She says pretty much that exact thing in every version I can find. -
Wow, didn't realized that Vivi was such a bitch…
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Not really a bitch, but giving a critique. She was pretty much bringing things to perspective.
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Yeah, if you really pay attention… Nami takes on more "Captain" Duties than Luffy does... in a way, she's more the captain than he is...
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Viz had remotely the same thing too, iirc.
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Well, there are different and more appropirate ways of saying the same thing.
Better ways to say it like;
"For a Captain, you still have a lot to learn."
"A Captain should know that fighting isn't always the answer"
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That is how people don't learn. Harsh realities open the mind. The way you mentioned just sounds like an annoying teacher.
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"Now Luffy, you play nice with the other pirates or you're getting a gold star taken away and you'll have to sit in the corner and think about what you've done!"
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"Now Luffy, you play nice with the other pirates or you're getting a gold star taken away and you'll have to sit in the corner and think about what you've done!"
That sounds like Ms. "I don't Want Anyone to Die" to me, yes ma'am.
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@Yuugi's:
That sounds like Ms. "I don't Want Anyone to Die" to me, yes ma'am.
With a dense guy like Luffy, sometimes being harsh gets the picture in. I mean, Nami usually teaches him a thing or two by punching him.
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With a dense guy like Luffy, sometimes being harsh gets the picture in. I mean, Nami usually teaches him a thing or two by punching him.
inb4 "Nami can Punch Luffy because of 'Teaching Haki', ayup!"
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inb4 "Nami can Punch Luffy because of 'Teaching Haki', ayup!"
You heard it first from Rin, everyone.:ninja: