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Chapter 557 "Luffy and Whitebeard" Discussion
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@$abZ:
Yeah I agree.
There are several factors which makes me think that Whitebeard will die. Even one from the last chapter. When Whitebeard dies, Fishmen Island will turn into a war zone. Jimbei's had quite a bit of spotlight lately, and we've seen some foreshadowing that he has some beef with Luffy. It'd make the Fishmen Island arc 10x better.
I on the other hand disagree. For me the following would be better:
Peace on Fishman Island for a short while…and after Luffy is in NW he learns Fishman Island has been attacked...coming back to help them.
This way we get to see NW faster and a twist is added since everybody is expecting war time on FI
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I can't believe people still think Jinbei has a beef with Luffy!!!
He wants to thank him for taking care of Arlong he does not have a issue with him
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I on the other hand disagree. For me the following would be better:
Peace on Fishman Island for a short while…and after Luffy is in NW he learns Fishman Island has been attacked...coming back to help them.
This way we get to see NW faster and a twist is added since everybody is expecting war time on FI
I don't like the idea of Luffy going back. The whole idea of the Grand Line is to go forward all the time (with Kuma sending Luffy to Amazon Lily being an exception).
It's not about seeing the New World faster. We want an epic arc in Fishmen Island, which had its mention just after the Baratie arc. Fans have been waiting for Fishmen Island for ages. To have an epic arc there, and then seeing the New World would suite me fine.
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What your not grasping from my first point about using gear 2nd is that he can train harder to lessen the effects of fatigue. Gear 2nd itself pumps blood around faster, similar to the effects of Adrenalin (bad example but still valid) which through time will help increase vain size and internal strength/heart which will allow him to use it easier.
Luffy himself states 'I guess my body hasn't gotten used to it yet'. Which implies that through usage/training he can adapt enough physically to use it without such harsh effects.
Okay, maybe now I'm being the one that's misunderstood. I understand that Luffy can train to lessen the ill effects of his abilities. That's perfectly fine and something I actually expect out of him. But completely eliminating all the ill effects of an ability is something that would ruin the story, in my opinion. If Luffy trains in Gear 2nd and becomes more accustomed to it, that would mean he could stay in it longer without exhausting himself, and could push himself harder while in that state, making him go faster and put more force into his punches than before. But even then, there should still be a limit to it that he can never completely remove.
Even Roger had a crippling illness, and he fought long and hard despite it. It's not like having a little weakness is going to change anything; Luffy will achieve his goal no matter what.
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@Pirate_King_Sage:
A time skip is very sensible. Previous posts have mentioned that the SH crew has gained power at amazing speeds, true…but that has come to an end. Luffy and crew can barely survive the lasting parts of the Grand Line...and now that we have seen such amazing powers and threats in the War...how is Oda gunna get the SH on par with the threat of the NW? Something has to happen and a time skip would suffice.
I am not talking alot of years here but some sort of skip would be necessary, aren't we already in a sort of time skip with the remaining crew members (kinda sorta maybe?). The time skip (and trust me, I don't like saying time skip) could include the time taken for the SH to reunite to also, as mentioned in a previous post, the time the log pose takes to change directions on Fishman island. Since Jimbei is now an ally of Luffy, it is not unreasonable to assume that the SH stay on fishman island would be somewhat peaceful and allow ample time in Haki/DF Training, as well as even a tiny growth spurt in characters.
During this time, the new era would have properly been placed, Blackbeard Crew would have established themselves as a crew to fear similar to how the WB crew is...which leads me to believe the destruction of the WB crew at this war, or maybe at least WB himself.
This is all speculation and wishes, things can go a totally different route as Oda has proven himself unpredictable most times but this speculation should not be debunked as never going to happen.
Well, what was the longest "time skip" in OP so far?
a few days? 1-2 weeks? i really cant remember and those dont really count as a time skip.
iam not sure, if we are gonna see a real time skip. and i dont see a "huge" time skip anyway(something similiar to naruto or the skip btw DB and DBZ).
But i see a period, that could be 1 or 2 months, that are needed to let the SH reunion and get rdy for the new world. And that these period is coverd with only 1-3 Chapters. So that we have no real time skip, but rather a large time(specially OP wise) that is covered with very few chapters.
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ten years in chapter one that is it
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Look, I must admit that I am not too happy with the time skip theory but IMO I see a serious gap between the SH and those of the NW that cannot be ignored or filled with chance or BS events over and over again. Something has to happen.
Peace on Fishman island? Okay maybe not. Time Skip? Okay maybe not or maybe minor but something has got to give. None of the SH are in position to reunite with Luffy (only Robin since she is with the revolutionaries) which leads me to believe this will take TIME, whether that time is skipped, I dunno but I do not look forward to 100 chapters of the different ventures of the SH as they strive to meet up.
If Luffy is going to be Pirate King, he has to not only gain the title but also be in a state to maintain that title and defend that title, people aren't always going to be there to save them or events aren't always going to provide an opportunity for Luffy to win without shear experience and strength.
Training seems to be a touchy subject here as people don't see the other SH training and I can understand that to some degree but this gap is too big for me to ignore and just go along with, some type of advancement needs to come and I don't want it to come with the touch of a button, sip of a drink, injection of a hormone or any other means besides pure, hard, and dedicated work….that's the only way it would be truly earned and appreciated.
If Luffy enters the NW as is and starts bustin' ass then the hype of the darkened NW would all be for not and I don't think Oda would do that. I believe in Oda and I know that what he decides to do, I won't disagree with as I never have in the past.
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@Pirate_King_Sage:
Look, I must admit that I am not too happy with the time skip theory but IMO I see a serious gap between the SH and those of the NW that cannot be ignored or filled with chance or BS events over and over again. Something has to happen.
Peace on Fishman island? Okay maybe not. Time Skip? Okay maybe not or maybe minor but something has got to give. None of the SH are in position to reunite with Luffy (only Robin since she is with the revolutionaries) which leads me to believe this will take TIME, whether that time is skipped, I dunno but I do not look forward to 100 chapters of the different ventures of the SH as they strive to meet up.
If Luffy is going to be Pirate King, he has to not only gain the title but also be in a state to maintain that title and defend that title, people aren't always going to be there to save them or events aren't always going to provide an opportunity for Luffy to win without shear experience and strength.
Training seems to be a touchy subject here as people don't see the other SH training and I can understand that to some degree but this gap is too big for me to ignore and just go along with, some type of advancement needs to come and I don't want it to come with the touch of a button, sip of a drink, injection of a hormone or any other means besides pure, hard, and dedicated work….that's the only way it would be truly earned and appreciated.
If Luffy enters the NW as is and starts bustin' ass then the hype of the darkened NW would all be for not and I don't think Oda would do that. I believe in Oda and I know that what he decides to do, I won't disagree with as I never have in the past.
I agree that the gap is huge and unavoidable. Surely the strawhats, in their own adventures away from Luffy, will learn and upgrade considerably. But are you suggesting that you want the Strawhats to train for a couple of months and then be ready for any challenge the NW has to offer? I hardly think so.
I don't believe anything would take away from the hype of the NW more than some kids training for a couple of months and just like that be ready for the most dangerous place in the world when hundreds of more experienced pirate crews have been there for years and haven't achieved the success they will surely experience.
If greatness comes, it should be achieved when they face insurmountable odds over and over, pushing them over their limit all the time and getting stronger as they get beat up and cheat death, like how Luffy has done in this arc. In just a week, he's strength increase will be astronomical surely, as he will (probably) pick up or figure out some new technique to increase his power. Luffy has already done all the training he needs. Now he needs to achieve the drive to better himself all the time, and come up with things that will allow him to compete with the big dogs. His driving force to become better is the ability to protect his companions, and that makes him fight harder and smarter all the time. His defeats serve as hard lessons to him that he learns in full, and becomes way smarter than if he was just playing fisticuffs with some guy who teaches him haki.
All of the strawhats have interesting backgrounds, some are combat oriented and some are not. But whatever it may be, they all need to be put in situations where they need to improve, otherwise what's to stop any other crew from training for a couple of months and taking over the world? Their experiences and the power of their motivations and the things they lived through should be the fuel for them to eventually become better than their competition. It is those challenges that should make them better, not just training.
Im all for them training through arcs or when they travel though, as long as they don't stop doing anything else because of that training.
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Luffy is going to enter then NW and do just fine unless think all thoses NW pirates so far are stronger than luffy. Luffy is going to work his way up. He not going into the NW fighting people on WB Level .You don't seem to notice that not everyone is on the same level ,every pirate in the NW is not going to be strong as WB and company. Right now as we seen so far in this war only about 30 people out class luffy out how much thousand. Even then oda can find ways for luffy to fight them.
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Luffy is going to enter then NW and do just fine unless think all thoses NW pirates so far are stronger than luffy. Luffy is going to work his way up. He not going into the NW fighting people on WB Level .
You don't seem to notice that not everyone is on the same level ,every pirate in the NW is going to be strong as WB and company.if that was true,then why whitebeard is the strongest man in Op and not the other Nw captains?
i think what ur saying dosent make any sence,im sure they are strong,but as strong as Wb?so that means all of them are at a yanuko level?
then why isnt there more yanukos?
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if that was true,then why whitebeard is the strongest man in Op and not the other Nw captains?
i think what ur saying dosent make any sence,im sure they are strong,but as strong as Wb?so that means all of them are at a yanuko level?
then why isnt there more yanukos?
the hole thing of the 4 emperors of the sea is that each of there power is very strong and unike,and all the other Nw captains are not as equal to them by power or by reputation.Check my edit i made a mistake.
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thats ok,now what u wrote makes much more sence.
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if that was true,then why whitebeard is the strongest man in Op and not the other Nw captains?
i think what ur saying dosent make any sence,im sure they are strong,but as strong as Wb?so that means all of them are at a yanuko level?
then why isnt there more yanukos?
the hole thing of the 4 emperors of the sea is that each of there power is very strong and unike,and all the other Nw captains are not as equal to them by power or by reputation.I agree.
I think the normal or average NW captain(crew) isnt even on shibukai power lvl. Else the whole shibukai status is pointless. Tho the difference in shibukai power lvl is something that isnt done perfect by oda.
Youll have the emperors(as well as the admirals) who are truly out or range atm. but i think there should be enough pirates in the NW who are perfectly suited, to close the gap btw the momentan power lvl of the SH and the top tier. But not every pirate in the new world has to have a power lvl thats equal to a shikbukai or is greater.
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dont forget,the emperors number 2 and 3 are pretty strong also(a shibukai level atleast from what we saw)
im pretty sure shanks and kaido and 4th yanuko number 2 and 3 are very strong also.
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can we get a tl;dr???
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I agree that the gap is huge and unavoidable. Surely the strawhats, in their own adventures away from Luffy, will learn and upgrade considerably. But are you suggesting that you want the Strawhats to train for a couple of months and then be ready for any challenge the NW has to offer? I hardly think so.
I don't believe anything would take away from the hype of the NW more than some kids training for a couple of months and just like that be ready for the most dangerous place in the world when hundreds of more experienced pirate crews have been there for years and haven't achieved the success they will surely experience.
If greatness comes, it should be achieved when they face insurmountable odds over and over, pushing them over their limit all the time and getting stronger as they get beat up and cheat death, like how Luffy has done in this arc. In just a week, he's strength increase will be astronomical surely, as he will (probably) pick up or figure out some new technique to increase his power. Luffy has already done all the training he needs. Now he needs to achieve the drive to better himself all the time, and come up with things that will allow him to compete with the big dogs. His driving force to become better is the ability to protect his companions, and that makes him fight harder and smarter all the time. His defeats serve as hard lessons to him that he learns in full, and becomes way smarter than if he was just playing fisticuffs with some guy who teaches him haki.
All of the strawhats have interesting backgrounds, some are combat oriented and some are not. But whatever it may be, they all need to be put in situations where they need to improve, otherwise what's to stop any other crew from training for a couple of months and taking over the world? Their experiences and the power of their motivations and the things they lived through should be the fuel for them to eventually become better than their competition. It is those challenges that should make them better, not just training.
Im all for them training through arcs or when they travel though, as long as they don't stop doing anything else because of that training.
Well put.
I agree with the "training as they go" idea, we haven't seen the SH stop there tracks to train and I don't expect that to happen.
I guess my final point is that I don't want the SH to constantly be weak and have other people or rare bizarre situations to give them the leg up on every battle they face. I want to see true development and progress…however or whichever form that may come in.
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great one of my other hated discussion. For list it includes when talking about one piece
1. power rankigns
2. time skip
3. next crewmate/nakama whatever you want to call itand somehow these are the most popular for everyone it seems. They all want to have like 5 more guys (well mostly girls, was using guys nongenderly) and then a time skip so they all have gear 5's and shit. Oh and so and so is a pussy even though we haven't seen them do anything more than one nonchalant attack. Yea thats right I saw them kill something easily but the attack didn't look strong so there a pussy. "uh duh, wouldn't that sort of mean the opposite"
Well you guys have fun discussing your times skips, gears and crewmates. but you can count me out. I'll wait until a legit spoiler is for sure out and watch people complain over shit until the chapter comes out and they realize it was explained or shown and that they ended up loving it. And how it is always EPIC, ha that word has no meaning anymore.
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This is where Zik comes in and laughs at those who believed in the fake spoilers
BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
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One Piece has been absolute garbage for a good long while now and this chapter makes it no better.
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One Piece has been absolute garbage for a good long while now and this chapter makes it no better.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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One Piece has been absolute garbage for a good long while now and this chapter makes it no better.
Cool story bro…
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http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/557/01/
I like how they finally colored the title in the cover page. That has got to be like the first time…
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@J2o:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/557/01/
I like how they finally colored the title in the cover page. That has got to be like the first time…
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Um it's the group who scan/translated that chapter, not Shonen Jump. Also I think it looks fucking wretched. Like colorizing old movies or something else equally awful. -
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Um it's the group who scan/translated that chapter, not Shonen Jump. Also I think it looks fucking wretched. Like colorizing old movies or something else equally awful.I know it wasn't the SJ, but I dont care haha. :getlost:
You can say I'm like one of those guys saying.. "Ooh! Shiny!"
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dont forget,the emperors number 2 and 3 are pretty strong also**(a shibukai level atleast from what we saw)**
im pretty sure shanks and kaido and 4th yanuko number 2 and 3 are very strong also.
How retarded are you?
3 Admirals and 7 Shichibukai (Pre-Blackbeard) Are about equal to 4 yonkou.
3 Admirals and 7 Shichibukai (Pre-Blackbeard) Are about equal to 4 yonkou.
3 Admirals and 7 Shichibukai (Pre-Blackbeard) Are about equal to 4 yonkou.
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Regarding the timeskip issue:
The new world isn't filled with people as strong as rayleigh or shanks.WB, BB, Ace, the admirals etc… are the strongest people in the world. And we have seen that people like rockstar with a "low bounty" barely known amongst the top tier pirates joined shanks crew and made it to WBs ship. Now i don't want to say that he is a weakling but i don't think that the SH crew will always meet legendary pirates.
It's perfetly imaginable that they will have adventures where enemies will be more or less on the same strength level as the SHs----> growing in strength for them.
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How retarded are you?
3 Admirals and 7 Shichbukai (Pre-Blackbeard) Are about equal to 4 yonkoi.
3 Admirals and 7 Shichbukai (Pre-Blackbeard) Are about equal to 4 yonkoi.
3 Admirals and 7 Shichbukai (Pre-Blackbeard) Are about equal to 4 yonkoi.
I see it more as marines + 7 shichbukai = 1 yonkoi
Because the yonkoi are not on the same team .I don't think the marines can take on 4 yonkoi at same time. I don't even think they can take on 2 . But the yonkoi won't work together and won't attack each other because someone can then come and attack them when there weak.
If the WB can take on the marines and the shichibukai with some help . What would happen if all 4 came with help the marines would be wipe out.
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How retarded are you?
3 Admirals and 7 Shichibukai (Pre-Blackbeard) Are about equal to 4 yonkou.
3 Admirals and 7 Shichibukai (Pre-Blackbeard) Are about equal to 4 yonkou.
3 Admirals and 7 Shichibukai (Pre-Blackbeard) Are about equal to 4 yonkou.
Given that three admirals and five warlords and a variety of top marines seem to have their hands full with just one…not really.
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^^ Wait for someone to come and say: "Oh noooes but wb has a lot of alles involved this war noooes you is wronnnnng"
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How retarded are you?
3 Admirals and 7 Shichibukai (Pre-Blackbeard) Are about equal to 4 yonkou.
3 Admirals and 7 Shichibukai (Pre-Blackbeard) Are about equal to 4 yonkou.
3 Admirals and 7 Shichibukai (Pre-Blackbeard) Are about equal to 4 yonkou.
If that was so the WG wouldn't be so concerned that WB and Shanks were meeting up . 3 Admirals+7Shichibukai = 1 Younkou + crew
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It doesn't matter, my point still stands; the Yonkou are definitely above shichibukai level.
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math isn't supposed to play a big role in One Piece, all those great powers never clashed against each other (and they never will be), it's really just speculation/a myth that they keep a balance in power, even when they do keep the balance of the world. WB and Sengoku haven't met for decades now and who the hell knows about the other yonkous. when it ever came towards an all out war, those yonkou wouldn't side with each other anyway, but it sure doesn't seem like MHQ could handle them all at once when they are concerned enough about WB alone.
but fact is, and always will be, that calling yonkous 'yanukos' is retarded, that hasn't changed one bit from all those weeks 'till now.
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One Piece has been absolute garbage for a good long while now and this chapter makes it no better.
congratulations for making it this far,blea/naru fanboy,
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Charisma lacks charisma. .
Seems more like he's whacked out on something… maybe this shakara i've heard of.
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One Piece has been absolute garbage for a good long while now and this chapter makes it no better.
Obama read this, as he is a One Piece fan…and this is all he had to say
W3rd.
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What a sad life that git has coming to a One Piece site just to troll!
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ok just a couple of things, firstly if whitebeard was going to raise ace up as pirate king as sengoku believes i don't think he could hold onto the whitebeard pirates in the event of his death, maybe marco but not ace :/
secondly, didn't Lola and co from Thriller Bark come from the new world? even thought i don't really understand how they came backwards, unless Moria captured their shadows on his way to fight Kaidou :/
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secondly, didn't Lola and co from Thriller Bark come from the new world? even thought i don't really understand how they came backwards, unless Moria captured their shadows on his way to fight Kaidou :/
Dude, Red Line on half of Grand Line isn't the same as Reverse Mountain. You can cross through Fishman Island in both ways, just like WB did.
- Eternal Poses if you're playing on the Log Pose issue. Lola's mom and WB could have stocked on 'em when they got throught the first half.
@Monkey.D.Harry:
ok just a couple of things, firstly if whitebeard was going to raise ace up as pirate king as sengoku believes i don't think he could hold onto the whitebeard pirates in the event of his death, maybe marco but not ace :/
If that's what WB was planning all along, then i'm sure Marco and others know about this too and gladly lend their aide to support Ace to make him grand.
@MagneticMonkey:Trust the mods in charge of the spoiler delivery. And don't post spoiler related stuff in the chapter thread.
it's funny how i always read "i desperatly want a seat in here!!!" in your latter posts, spongy Cluberella.
Seems like you forcefully changed your personality ;)
…that has to hurt. - Eternal Poses if you're playing on the Log Pose issue. Lola's mom and WB could have stocked on 'em when they got throught the first half.
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There is a new spoiler I think in Manga Helpers…
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Trust the mods in charge of the spoiler delivery. And don't post spoiler related stuff in the chapter thread.
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Trust the mods in charge of the spoiler delivery. And don't post spoiler related stuff in the chapter thread.
I'm just glad I wasn't here for the fake spoilers
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How retarded are you?
3 Admirals and 7 Shichibukai (Pre-Blackbeard) Are about equal to 4 yonkou.
3 Admirals and 7 Shichibukai (Pre-Blackbeard) Are about equal to 4 yonkou.
3 Admirals and 7 Shichibukai (Pre-Blackbeard) Are about equal to 4 yonkou.
No
Shichibukai are as strong as Yonkou and MHQ. This is stated by Oda himself. This was when Croc was still a Shichibukai.
Shichibukai=Yonkou=MHQ
Originally Posted by trans for OP grand times concerning the world powers
According to the thing, the Government is "paired" up with the Shichibukai and the marines. What that doesn't mean is that the Shichibukai and the marines are working together. It's just the Shichibukai are paying money to the government to get certain "privileges" like, to not be hounded by the government, free reign to do as they please type thing. So the government saves them lots of un-needed trouble.
The "emperors" are their own group, doing as they please and not paying the government and so are the enemy. The Marines as the "good guys"want to stop both groups, but doesn't go after the shichibukai due to being under by the government.
But each group, as they are, are the same in power. However if something was to change like the death of a member of a group, that could change things then that group could actually lose their standing and be over taken by one of the other remaining groups!!!!!…
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omg, someone discoverd the rating-botton and goes wild all over the forum now…
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well since i cant post it on spoiler pages so i tough i post it here sorry for that xD
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i think we can now more assume that 1 yonkou and his crew is close to be equal in power to the 3 admirals and 7 shichibukai..
or else this WAR! wouldnt be rly a bother for the marines and WG.. the yonkous we can
t rly see as one force cause they dont have much contact to each other and they are villains to each other… soin conclusion the 3 admirals and 7 shichibukai are the forces to control the power of the yonkou, but when all 4 yonkous would form a alliance the WG and the marines wouldn
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I didn't notice before that the "rate thread" was open for chapter threads. Is this recent? Is this a compromise to the rating poll suggestion that was put up not too long ago?
Edit: After reading e1n's post in that thread, it seems that it already existed for the threads in this subforum.