@Kairouseki:
Exactly .
You thought I was serious?
English volumes over originals any day.
@Kairouseki:
Exactly .
You thought I was serious?
English volumes over originals any day.
How can Hiroy even understand anything. It's obvious that he can't read.
@Kairouseki:
People come in here and say they don't understand why people boycott Viz's release.
How many people are there who post in this thread that actually do it though.
Two or three.
And yet people get so indignant about it as if the anti-viz brigade is cutting a swathe through this thread with torches and pitchforks in hand.
Which is what is so hilarious about this thread.
There might only be 2 or 3 but they do it over and over again. It's like they can't remember or something. And seriously? That's the only part of my post you comment on?
And people whinge about it and make a mountain out of a molehill.
As I said, the amount of butthurt in this thread is great.
What would be nice is if people could stop yapping on about "Boycotting"(viz are terrified right now), and if people could stop crying about how others are insulting the perfect existence that is VIZ.
Chances of that happening are zero of course.
But what fun would that be ? You said yourself that you enjoy it.
While I enjoy people making fools of themselves, I would kinda like to discuss Viz's adaption without someone throwing excrement every ten seconds.
I buy them because I really enjoy holding the actual book in my hand while reading, if I could read Japanese I would have rather imported them, that being said, I don't think my English ones are that bad
That's because they aren't bad. The only thing OHNOES about them are name changes which are easily overlooked because YOU KNOW WHAT THEY REALLY ARE.
What stretch of imagination do complainers not have that they can't just pretend it's what they know is right, suck it up, and support the manga?
You have converted me O Great dirt monkey. Why did I not see my foolishness before? I shall walk into my nearest bookstore and buy these volumes, not because they are correct or faithful but because it's my duty as an American. Thank you for freeing my mind.
Your argument is completely stupid, though. If Zoro's name was changed to Jack and Luffy's to Larry you'd say "Oh just support it. You know it's right anyway."
@Kairouseki:
You have converted me O Great dirt monkey.
darn tootin', now fetch me my slippers
@Kairouseki:
Why did I not see my foolishness before?
you're a fool, thus foolishness
@Kairouseki:
I shall walk into my nearest bookstore and buy these volumes,
about time
@Kairouseki:
not because they are correct or faithful
But they are besides some name changes. Don't you remember Crossword continuously lining up VIZ translations with Stephen's?
@Kairouseki:
but because it's my duty as an American.
and you wonder why I don't like you
@Kairouseki:
Thank you for freeing my mind.
you're welcome
@Kairouseki:
Your argument is completely stupid, though. If Zoro's name was changed to Jack and Luffy's to Larry you'd say "Oh just support it. You know it's right anyway."
Don't you go pretending that they're Larry and Joe Shmoe when they aren't. In VIZ, they're Monkey D. Luffy and Roronoa Zolo. A one letter difference in an otherwise extremely faithful translation. That you keep ignoring that it used to be Zoro until some corporations smashed VIZ's good translation is ridiculous. That it could have been Dog Dog and Bird Bird as it should've been until some other people meddled.
The point is, you know Zolo is really Zoro. That Tweet Tweet is Bird Birt, and Mutt Mutt is Dog Dog.
Quit your bitching.
Exactly my point. You keep saying that because I know what the right things are that it doesn't matter what Viz does. I know that Viz's name changes aren't as bad as what I said but I used them to make a point. Viz could chop the story up to holy hell and some people, probably you too, would say "You know what's right. Just suck it up and support the release."
@Kairouseki:
Exactly my point. You keep saying that because I know what the right things are that it doesn't matter what Viz does. I know that Viz's name changes aren't as bad as what I said but I used them to make a point. Viz could chop the story up to holy hell and some people, probably you too, would say "You know what's right. Just suck it up and support the release."
No, that is when I'd drop the entire thing.
Because they're not butchering the story.
That was 4kids in the anime.
A few little name changes after some butting in from Shueisha/4kids when VIZ was going to be faithful does not ruin my enjoyment of VIZ's translation otherwise.
I may balk at the 1 - 2 times I read Tweet Tweet and Mutt Mutt, but the rest of the translations are good.
If they butchered the story i would not buy them at all as well, the only thing I really think is terrible was "Oh come my way" but, I really won't let that eat me up
I actually though Oh Come My Way was clever, especially since if you listen to Mr. 2's image song, he actually says ''Oh come my way!'' at one point.
What's terrible was a brief bit in Vol. 14 where everyone was referring to Vivi as Nefeltari like it was her first name, even though both Stephen's scripts and the RAWs (and everything else, for that matter), had it as Vivi.
I thought it was changed to "oh come my way" because it kind of sounds like "Okama way"
Hey, anything's better than Crazy Karate.
I like that they used Oh, Come My Way.
And it's not that he sings it just once. That is all he sings in it.
Oh, Come My Way was a slight tip of their hat to us, really, and I love it.
I'm loving the anti-Viz posters whining
I'm loving the anti-anti-Viz posters even bigger whining.
I'm loving the people who'd rather read it a language that they can't understand than put up with a few changes
I'm loving the people who spend hours coming to this thread and complaining about people boycotting the series, as if it has anything to do with them
In short this is a good thread.
I'm glad Airhead101 loves me :wub: . And I'm not anti Viz, I'm anti Viz censorship .
"Rational" Anti-Viz side: BOYCOTT THE BOOKS, READ IT IN JAPANESE, KILL THE PRODUCERS AND THEIR FAMILIES, BURN THE BUILDINGS DOWN, SPREAD SALT WHERE THEY WERE AND CURSE THEIR NAMES TO THE THOUSAND WINDS FOR DARING TO CHANGE ZORO TO ZOLO
"Rational Viz" side": HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE THESE BOOKS, VIZ IS THE GREATEST COMPANY EVER AND ANY MISTAKE THEY MAKE SHOULD BE FORGOTTEN AND IGNORED! HEAVENS KNOWS WE WOULDN'T WANT THEM TO LEARN FROM THESE MISTAKES!!!
this doesn't apply to everyone
and I love you platonically Kairouseki
Wait, I thought this was supposed to be a debate; since when was it decided it would be a bitch-fest?
Since you started dealing with anime/manga fans.
I'm retiring from this this topic unless there's talk about taking up issues to Viz themselves.
Any good news we get would be pissed on here anyways.
Wait, I thought this was supposed to be a debate; since when was it decided it would be a bitch-fest?
Sadly there are too many people who would prefer to just argue, for example…
Since you started dealing with anime/manga fans.
This kind of rubbish doesn't help matters.
Plus we rather need something new from Viz to discuss. The same ground has been retread for a while now, and the next volume is a ways away.
Here's a general question, has Viz ever discussed bringing out Colour Walk 2? Or is it too early for that volume to be released?
Well, Vol. 22 comes out in early September…
But about the second Color Walk, I believe it covers up to Skypiea's halfway point, roughly, so if Viz does decide to release it, it won't be until after they've released those volumes.
Well, Vol. 22 comes out in early September…
That's a pleasant surprise, amazon had October the sixth down. Must be out of date information.
That's what is says on Viz's site last I checked, at any rate.
EDIT: Yep, still does.
It doesn't help. But, damn it, nothing helps. So jus' call 'em as you see 'em.
After all, he WAS asking why there's such a bitchfest… So I just answered him.
And don't play dumb, you know it's the truth.
But about the second Color Walk, I believe it covers up to Skypiea's halfway point, roughly, so if Viz does decide to release it, it won't be until after they've released those volumes.
Nope, that's the third Color Walk, which covers volumes 20-30. The second Color Walk covers volumes 10-19, so Viz can release them at any time without worrying about getting ahead of itself.
I think that if the speed-up is successful, Viz will consider it, since they'll see that there's a strong market for One Piece. I mean, they have said that they have no plans to release the Databooks, but I don't think that there's much that's worthwhile in the Databooks except for stuff that we already know being clearly formatted, and in the case of Red: Grand Characters, Romance Dawn version 1.
Which, to me at least, isn't worth quite as much as seeing the color pages in full size on good quality paper. I bought the first Color Walk, and it's just amazing. I'd love to have the other two. I'd also love a fourth, but that's Shueisha's department… The Color Walks also have those interviews between Oda and other people, and only the first one, between Oda and Toriyama, has been translated into English. Although I think that Greg said he intended to put the translations of the Color Walk interviews on his site when he got the chance...
i just ordered color walk 1. is it good? whats in it?
It doesn't help. But, damn it, nothing helps. So jus' call 'em as you see 'em.
After all, he WAS asking why there's such a bitchfest… So I just answered him.
And don't play dumb, you know it's the truth.
Why isn't this annoying twat thread banned yet.
@Elektrik:
i just ordered color walk 1. is it good? whats in it?
eeeh, some cute comments from Oda about some colorspreads and the interview with him and Toriyama
It's all right though. The colorspreads are gorgeous when held in your hand like that.
I hope this is the right place to post this, but is there anywhere I can order the volumes that doesn't have hideously massive postage costs and time to the UK? There is a shop near me that gets them in and sells them quite cheaply, but I won't know if they'll be there untill they come out…
Depends on how much time is an issue for you. It's not for me, so I just tend to go into London once a month and pick up everything that's come out which I want.
If price is a big issue I'd wait until they turn up on amazon.
I hope this is the right place to post this, but is there anywhere I can order the volumes that doesn't have hideously massive postage costs and time to the UK? There is a shop near me that gets them in and sells them quite cheaply, but I won't know if they'll be there until they come out…
Amazon.co.uk? They've been a bit funny with the last 2 volumes though, they used to ship volumes 2 weeks before the US release date, but with the last 2 volumes they shipped them about 2 weeks after. I can't tell if they are shipping the US version late, or the UK version early (there's no difference between the two).
Or ask your local shop when they are likely to get them in. Forbidden Planet seems to get them pretty quick if I remember right.
Amazon.co.uk? They've been a bit funny with the last 2 volumes though, they used to ship volumes 2 weeks before the US release date, but with the last 2 volumes they shipped them about 2 weeks after. I can't tell if they are shipping the US version late, or the UK version early (there's no difference between the two).
Or ask your local shop when they are likely to get them in. Forbidden Planet seems to get them pretty quick if I remember right.
Ahahaha, I can't beleive how stupid I've been! Last time I looked on Amazon I couldn't find anything past something like volume 16, but I was searching for "One Piece Volume 22" and they're listed under "One Piece Vol22".
I'd like to get the next one quickly, idealy before mid-late October, so I think I'll try and get it from my nearby Forbidden Planet, but I'm not sure what the situation will be when it comes to the speed-up. Will the speed-up be the same for the UK version? (if its possible that thats what Amazons shipping)
Ahahaha, I can't beleive how stupid I've been! Last time I looked on Amazon I couldn't find anything past something like volume 16, but I was searching for "One Piece Volume 22" and they're listed under "One Piece Vol22".
I'd like to get the next one quickly, idealy before mid-late October, so I think I'll try and get it from my nearby Forbidden Planet, but I'm not sure what the situation will be when it comes to the speed-up. Will the speed-up be the same for the UK version? (if its possible that thats what Amazons shipping)
Usually when I search on Amazon I just search One Piece <volume number="">. When I ordered volume 23 it said October or September, now it lists the UK release date in January.
Our speed up starts 4th February with volumes 24 - 29, but Amazon haven't got them for preorder yet.</volume>
Actually, it is pretty crazy, not to mention being extremely fanboyish and picky, to boycott a translation simply for those reasons. Especially when Viz is now giving us a speed up to catch up to the Japanese release.
We don't owe Viz anything. They are not giving us a faithful release, that's all there is to it. The reason they don't change is because of people like you who don't care to show resistance. You're a pansy. Not trying to insult you, just stating a fact.
Who wants to start naming off things that were changed, fixed, continued, etc.. because a large percentage of the fanbase boycotted? IN FACT, we just got that recently, did we not? According to Viz, it was our constant moaning anf groaning for a speedup which fricken got it for us.
Start showing Viz up, let them know there's a market out there, but they're gonna have to check their junk if they want us.
I agree. Bitch until you get what you want. That's a part of American culture.
It's like democracy.
Ah man, and we were having such a nice, civilized discussion too.
We don't owe Viz anything. They are not giving us a faithful release, that's all there is to it. The reason they don't change is because of people like you who don't care to show resistance. You're a pansy. Not trying to insult you, just stating a fact.
Who wants to start naming off things that were changed, fixed, continued, etc.. because a large percentage of the fanbase boycotted? IN FACT, we just got that recently, did we not? According to Viz, it was our constant moaning anf groaning for a speedup which fricken got it for us.
Start showing Viz up, let them know there's a market out there, but they're gonna have to check their junk if they want us.
I get the impression that people who don't buy the volumes don't tell Viz why they aren't buying them.
Is this serious? USA only have One piece volumes up to 22? Or is this some kind of joke?
I live in Finland and we got finnish translated volume 47, Sweden has volume 49, we are almost finished at Thriller Bark and english volumes have barely finished Alabasta?
I hope I am wrong because its pretty depressing to see One Piece volumes published so slowly over there.
Don't weep for us. Viz is doing a speed up, so by June 2010 we'll have Vol. 53 released. We'll only be four or five volumes behind Japan.
We don't owe Viz anything. They are not giving us a faithful release, that's all there is to it. The reason they don't change is because of people like you who don't care to show resistance. You're a pansy. Not trying to insult you, just stating a fact.
Who wants to start naming off things that were changed, fixed, continued, etc.. because a large percentage of the fanbase boycotted? IN FACT, we just got that recently, did we not? According to Viz, it was our constant moaning anf groaning for a speedup which fricken got it for us.
Start showing Viz up, let them know there's a market out there, but they're gonna have to check their junk if they want us.
We've already heard that story, no need to repeat it
We don't owe Viz anything. They are not giving us a faithful release, that's all there is to it. The reason they don't change is because of people like you who don't care to show resistance. You're a pansy. Not trying to insult you, just stating a fact.
Who wants to start naming off things that were changed, fixed, continued, etc.. because a large percentage of the fanbase boycotted? IN FACT, we just got that recently, did we not? According to Viz, it was our constant moaning anf groaning for a speedup which fricken got it for us.
Start showing Viz up, let them know there's a market out there, but they're gonna have to check their junk if they want us.
Just as I asked Smore to stop his crap, you seem to be the other side of the coin, and t'would be nice if you did the same. I'm all for noting anything new that Viz have screwed up with, but you're just playing the same tired tune again and again.
All a boycott would do is make Viz drop the series.
Is this serious? USA only have One piece volumes up to 22? Or is this some kind of joke?
I live in Finland and we got finnish translated volume 47, Sweden has volume 49, we are almost finished at Thriller Bark and english volumes have barely finished Alabasta?
I hope I am wrong because its pretty depressing to see One Piece volumes published so slowly over there.
Blame Naruto, mmmk?
Oh don't use a scapegoat now :sad:
How much profanity filtering and editing does Viz use one volumes? etc, does Zeff eat his leg or does it get clipped by anchor?
Finnish volumes dont really have editing at all and all though I would prefered to read volumes on english I have to say that finnish translations are pretty well done.
Brutal rape that 4Kids did to One Piece dub left me slightly paranoid and I am just curious how much american publishers edit volumes.
Oda's masterpiece should not be touched and it should be remain un-edited, atleast thats my opinion.
The swearing is toned down a fair bit; you'll see some ''craps'' every now and then, but nothing else. Other than that, absolutely nothing important is changed. A few minor incorrect 4Kids terms that come up only once or twice have slipped through such as the ''Tweet'' and ''Diggy'' Fruits, but other than that, pretty much everything is left alone, even Ace's tattoo.