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An idea that I've seen kicked around is that Mr. 2 might end up denouncing Ivankov, similar to Chopper doing the same with Dr. Hogback, as forcibly switching unwilling people's genders like he does would go against his idealistic view of the Okama Way. He was kind of like ''Whoa…'' in an uncertain kind of way when Ivankov demonstrated that ability, and seeing how he's more than a little bit psycho, I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. 2 gets put off. Especially if it happens to his dear Straw-chan.
i doubt that… the reason being is that unlike doctor hogback... ivankov could be a very strong ally... cos if they ever get out of impel down and and iva-san takes luffy to okama island he'll find sanji there... ... which would save luffy a lot of trouble of having to look for another nakama.... also i think bon clay would fit right in to okama island... but i could be wrong... it's only my opion
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i doubt that… the reason being is that unlike doctor hogback... ivankov could be a very strong ally... cos if they ever get out of impel down and and iva-san takes luffy to okama island he'll find sanji there... ... which would save luffy a lot of trouble of having to look for another nakama.... also i think bon clay would fit right in to okama island... but i could be wrong... it's only my opion
well, then I hope Luffy only has to pick up Sanji and Zoro. Otherwise it could take a lot of chaps gathering all the crew.
-Chopper seems really lost, but he flies back to SA with those giant birds. -Robin will be ok by herself and come back alone
-Brook gets blown back to SA by the wind, cause he made a hang glider of all the girl-panties he gained
-Nami's the Navigator, no need to say how she gets back - even from a sky island
-Franky will build wings on that future island (like he built that centaur-form) and will also fly back.
-Usoppe maybe also get picked up by Luffy or that Hercules throw him back. But he also has to fly at least 3 days (cause "travelling by kuma" is for sure the fastest way to fly and that took already 3 days and because of that: AT LEAST 3 DAYS). -
Gan Fall stated that there are other ways of getting to Sky Islands, such as High West.
Gan Fall stated that the White Sea is 7,000 meters above Blue Sea, and the White White Sea is 10,000 meters.
According to Hatchan, the top of Red Line is 10,000 meters above sea level, correct?
According to Nami, there are two cities on Red Line (that is on, not under)
Mariejois is the only known city on Red Line.
Theory: High West is the second city on Red Line, being known to some as a afterthought to Meriejois, and thus the fact that you can get to Sky Islands from there is either forgotten, or left out of most accounts due to not believing in Sky Islands.
Also, at 10,000 meters, the dials that did not work at the Blue Sea (Milky Dials, Ball Dials, Eisen Dials, ect.,) would work there.
High West will also be how Nami gets down from Wheatheria.
The fact that where they live is so high up, and the possible use of cloud dials, could explain the Heavenly Dragon ego.
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So essentially a mash-up of pirates, .hack, and Star Ocean?
i don't know anything about Star ocean :)
There is a theory saying that the world we live in actually is a simulation (hmm reminds me a little of hitchhikers guide to the galaxy). We are only used to see how we behave in this environment :) And this theory says you can become a higher being, thus being able to controle the simulation, if you are chosen by the already higher beings. You can only be picked if you were good during your "whole life". And people call the higher beings: "architects". The problem is that the architects don't know if they are also part of another simulation :) And where does it ends? Only when you go mad :)Now mix that with the idea of Matrix and say that everyone in the OP world is a program. Programs hack programs to get unusual rights etc…
Now the dumb part of the theory: The translator made an error not understanding what Oda meant: The mysterious power in OP that makes weak people faint or can be used to fight pass through DF defenses is called HACKI…
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i don't know anything about Star ocean :)
In Star Ocean 3 the characters eventually learn that they're actually in an MMORPG played by beings from the 4th dimension.
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Did you know?
Logia= Seastone>Seawater (EnelVSViper)
Zoan= Seastone<seawater (cp9)<br="">Paramecia= Seastone<>Seawater (LuffyVSArlong/LuffyVSSmoker)Theory of devilfruits und sea/stone effect. LoL SO4 is awsum.</seawater>
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new pruhdiction
Duval learns how to wink from Ivankov.
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In Star Ocean 3 the characters eventually learn that they're actually in an MMORPG played by beings from the 4th dimension.
Actually, the universe was just ever growing data that grew to a point where its inhabitants started having minds of their own(and that could have been in a time-line a long time ago). They even grew a point in which they could be aware of the universe's true laws(thus the creation of heraldic/symbolic genetics that allowed Eternal Sphere beings to be able to exist in 4D). Lucifer/Luther saw this progression as a threat.
Off course, the crew did not know much about this. Fayt and Flad(and the rest of 4D's civilians/except the programmers in Sphere) compared it to a video game because that was how they saw it.
There's more things, but yeah. The concept isn't as simple as you say it.
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According to Hatchan, the top of Red Line is 10,000 meters above sea level, correct?.
Hate to break it to you, but Hatchan said that Fishman Island was 10,000 meters below Mariejoa. So unless you are suggesting Fishman Island is at sea level…
In Star Ocean 3 the characters eventually learn that they're actually in an MMORPG played by beings from the 4th dimension.
You know, I was seriously shocked when I reached that part in the game. That was great…
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Hate to break it to you, but Hatchan said that Fishman Island was 10,000 meters below Mariejoa. So unless you are suggesting Fishman Island is at sea level…
Wasn't Fishman Island said to be 10.000 meters below the surface and directly below Mariejoa? That doesn't mean that FI is 10.000 below Mariejoa, since it was stated that Mariejoa itself lies in a hight of 10.000 meters on the Red Line. So this would actually mean FI is 20.000 below Mariejoa.
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Prediction: Luffy eats plenty of food and is fully restored. He leaves and goes to level 6 where to meets and beats Shiryuu of the rain after 2 or 3 chapters. He continues and gets to Jinbei. He's told that Ace is already being transported to the execution site. Luffy busts Jinbei out and they team up to break out of ID and stop the war.
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It was stated that Mariejoa itself lies in a hight of 10.000 meters on the Red Line.
What? When was that stated? How do people get up to Mariejoa? Elevator? How do they breath when they get up there? I will quote the Sky Island arc, "The bodies of normal Blue Sea Dwellers can not handle the air." Hatchan said, "It's right undernear Mariejoa, in fact. Dive, dive, dive, and it's 10,000 meters below!" You'd have to show me what you are referring to about Mariejoa, because I have certainly never seen it.
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What? When was that stated? How do people get up to Mariejoa? Elevator? How do they breath when they get up there? I will quote the Sky Island arc, "The bodies of normal Blue Sea Dwellers can not handle the air." Hatchan said, "It's right undernear Mariejoa, in fact. Dive, dive, dive, and it's 10,000 meters below!" You'd have to show me what you are referring to about Mariejoa, because I have certainly never seen it.
Don't know the chapter but I'm dead sure that exactly this was stated.
Edit: Here's the part where it says that Mariejoa is on top of the Red Line (Stephen's Scripts on chapter 496):
Pappug: How come is because one way involves asking de World Government if you can pass troo de town on toppa de Red Line, de "Holy Land, Mariejoa." And dey ain't lettin' no pirates troo dere!! True that it doesn't say anything about the 10.000 meters high (still can't remember where exactly it was stated) but at least this makes it clear that you would require something like an elevator because we've never seen the top of it and the very image used on that part indicates that you go up and down again.
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will new world is like new world orders theories, where gov have absolute control
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We've never seen the top of it and the very image used on that part indicates that you go up and down again.
Are you forgetting that Reverse Mountain is part of the Red Line? Just because one section of the Red Line is high doesn't mean all parts are that high. In this case, we know there is only one other place for people to pass from the Grand Line into the New World, and that place is Marineford/Marine HQ. I would assume there is a harbor there, but Mariejoa is surely further up from there – likely available by foot -- but the point is it is very likely NOT 10,000 meters up.
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Are you forgetting that Reverse Mountain is part of the Red Line? Just because one section of the Red Line is high doesn't mean all parts are that high. In this case, we know there is only one other place for people to pass from the Grand Line into the New World, and that place is Marineford/Marine HQ. I would assume there is a harbor there, but Mariejoa is surely further up from there – likely available by foot -- but the point is it is very likely NOT 10,000 meters up.
Hey, I just know I've read it somewhere because otherwise I would have no reason to believe that the holy land is located that high. I even remember that we had discussions that Mariejoa is just as high as the White White Sea back then when that was stated. But the point for now is that Fishman Island is NOT 10.000 meters below Mariejoa.
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But the point for now is that Fishman Island is NOT 10.000 meters below Mariejoa.
Well, that still isn't necessarily true. Like I said, just because one section of Redline is high doesn't mean all sections are. I agree that Mariejoa is likely a bit higher in elevation than sea level, but it wouldn't really make much of a difference. 10,000 meters is an estimation, and in the context of the conversation it is making it sound like (give or take) FI is 10,000 meters below Mariejoa, the other pathway to the New World. The point of that conversation being that it is 10,000 meters under the sea, which is both pop culture reference and similar to the White-White Sea, and a contrast to the two locations you can pass through Redline. I Google'd Stephen's OP directory using "10,000" as my keyword and I found tons of entries, none of which were in relation to Mariejoa directly. Either way, while you are likely correct about FI's depth in comparison to Mariejoa, it really doesn't matter as both are estimations and points of contrast for entrance to the New World. (One being on top of Redline, one being under; one being on top of the ocean, one being under). In correlation to Naginata's theory though, I highly doubt the difference in elevation between Marineford and Mariejoa is 10,000 meters. Not to mention I highly doubt "normal people" would be able to "walk" from one side to the other and be able to breathe well were that the case. But meh, I digress, submarines are pretty interesting sea vessels.
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Lol, I find it truly hilarious how much you cling with everything you've got to just not be wrong. Actually it would be pretty sad if it wouldn't be that funny. ;P
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Lol, I find it truly hilarious how much you cling with everything you've got to just not be wrong. Actually it would be pretty sad if it wouldn't be that funny. ;P
Sorry, next time I will accept likely possibilities as fact, instead of suggesting other possibilities. Also, I will do my best to disregard the reason this is being discussed and try to diverge more from the topic of conversation to a petty argument about the words that were used in a general statement.
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The shark submarine went further than 5,000 meters. They didn't reach it yet and clouds are about 6,000 meters in the air which is where Mariejoa is, together that's nearly 12,000 meters so Hacchi definitely didn't mean 10,000 meters directly below Mariejoa
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Sharky definitely can't handle that kind of water pressure. Franky (or someone quoting him) specifically stated that…actually, I forget what the limit was. I remember 10 meters, but that seems rediculous. But I know it can't go below 5,000 meters.
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The shark submarine went further than 5,000 meters. They didn't reach it yet and clouds are about 6,000 meters in the air which is where Mariejoa is, together that's nearly 12,000 meters so Hacchi definitely didn't mean 10,000 meters directly below Mariejoa
How do you know that Mariejoa is at cloud level? I know trying to apply logic to a manga doesn't often work, but at that altitude the people living there still wouldn't really be able to breathe properly. Unlike Skypiea, which was higher up and it was stated that regular denizens of the Blue sea wouldn't be able to stand it.
But yeah; where did the cloud reference (6000) come from?
Sharky definitely can't handle that kind of water pressure. Franky (or someone quoting him) specifically stated that…actually, I forget what the limit was. I remember 10 meters, but that seems rediculous. But I know it can't go below 5,000 meters.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/490/13/ Mid-left panel.
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Sharky definitely can't handle that kind of water pressure. Franky (or someone quoting him) specifically stated that…actually, I forget what the limit was. I remember 10 meters, but that seems ridiculous. But I know it can't go below 5,000 meters.
The submarines limit is 5,000 meters, and they went just beyond 5,000 before turning back.
But yeah; where did the 6000 come from?
Not from Mangascreener, I can tell you that much.
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So it was just an estimate?
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So it was just an estimate?
Ughh. Not quite. They started hearing creaking and realized the submarine was starting to be crushed.
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Sorry, next time I will accept likely possibilities as fact, instead of suggesting other possibilities. Also, I will do my best to disregard the reason this is being discussed and try to diverge more from the topic of conversation to a petty argument about the words that were used in a general statement.
I'm not saying that you should take what I suggest as fact since I indeed don't have any back up so far. But the point remains that you in fact do have a very strange attitude that makes it appear that you just do it because you never ever want to admit that you might be wrong. You know I like you but sometimes your ego simply gets in the way of your constructivity. At least that's how I read such a line of argumentation of yours.
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For the sake of continuity, it would make sense that Hatcchan is right; it's already paralleled to an underwater-esque Skypiea (10,000m up, so maybe 10,000m down). It doesn't exactly matter anyway; if Sharky can't get there, it can't get there. Doesn't matter how much further down it would be after that. We know they went a bit deeper than 5000m, though it was never stated exactly.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/490/13/
What we don't know is where Mariejoa lies, though we could assume that it's not as high as the sky islands due to air pressure. I still don't know where the 6000 comes in, in relation to its' altitude.
But hey, I could be wrong.
Not from Mangascreener, I can tell you that much.
Mm. onemanga & the other versions of this chapter that I've looked at don't have it either afaik.
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But the point remains that you in fact do have a very strange attitude that makes it appear that you just do it because you never ever want to admit that you might be wrong. You know I like you but sometimes your ego simply gets in the way of your constructiveness. At least that's how I read such a line of argumentation of yours.
That's ridiculous. If I think I am right in an argument of course I will find evidence to back up what I am saying. If there is no evidence to suggest otherwise, why should I change my mind or stop defending my viewpoint or idea? I admit I am wrong once proven wrong, and/or explain where I was confused or mixed something up if that was the case. Have I been proven wrong here? Did we receive evidence that Mariejoa is anywhere near 10,000 meters above sea level? I don't recall arguing anything other than that, so that must be what you are referring to. Now, if I were to continue supporting my ideal and not even attempt to find more evidence while disregarding yours, then you can say that my ego is getting in the way. I mean, hell, I could point that finger at you too since I am providing evidence here and you aren't. You aren't letting up either, and I even gave you advanced searches to help you research.
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Lol, this is getting more and more amusing. I'm not argumenting anymore about Mariejoa being at an altitude of 10.000 meters but about Fishman Island being not 10.000 below it. Heck even if Mariejoa is at an altitude of just 1.000 meters the distance between the two would be 11.000 meters. That's all I'm saying and that's why I find your post so funny because you do really try everything to just not say "perhaps I was wrong with the FI 10k below MJ part". Take it as you like. I really have no further interest to discuss it with you.
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I'm not arguing anymore about Mariejoa being at an altitude of 10.000 meters but about Fishman Island being not 10.000 below it. That's all I'm saying and that's why I find your post so funny because you do really try everything to just not say "perhaps I was wrong with the FI 10k below MJ part".
I had a feeling that was what you were getting at. Which is why I said, "I don't recall arguing anything other than that". Hahaha. I totally saw this coming too. I could explain, but. Well, if you read over my posts again you will see I never argued that.
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Ughh. Not quite. They started hearing creaking and realized the submarine was starting to be crushed.
I apologize if I have started to annoy you. I probably wouldn't get into messes like this if I were more ready to go back and read past chapters.
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I apologize if I have started to annoy you. I probably wouldn't get into messes like this if I were more ready to go back and read past chapters.
lol. No, you didn't. I didn't mean–- urr, I meant "uhhh" like I was thinking. Accidentally added a "g" in there. No need for apologies =P
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Iva-san's ability will help chopper upgrade his rumble balls; thus, he can control the monster point; thus, he is now a huge powerhouse in the straw-hat crew; thus, the debate on "rankings we give the crew" thread would get fucked up.
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OK, this is getting amusing. But I find I should correct myself. Looking closer, Hatchan did not state that Mariejois was 10,000 meters above sea level. It is just the interpretation of things shown that give that idea.
Here we have, thanks to of onepiece.wikia, we have a pic Mariejois. Notice the heavy clouding around it, which I doubt is fog.
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This is what RedLinkFS was talking about.
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! > The shark submarine went further than 5,000 meters. They didn't reach it yet and clouds are about 6,000 meters in the air which is where Mariejoa is, together that's nearly 12,000 meters so Hacchi definitely didn't mean 10,000 meters directly below MariejoaNow, the next three are thanks to homeunix. This states the fact that the Submerge Shark III can go to a max depth of 5,000m, and that they had just gone beyond that depth and still could not see the seabed. This is to those that are arguing about that.
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Here, Hatchan states that not only is FI nearly directly under Mariejois, but you have to go 10,000m straight down (which is also the depth of the sea floor). Now this could mean that it is 10km from FI to Mariejois, but some can take it as 10km under sea level.
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Here we have a pic of FI and Mariejois on Red Line (or in, or under or what ever) So, while it might not be perfect or anything, one could take from this that FI and Mariejois are an equal distance from the Sea Level.
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Since the SSIII went 5km+ down, and could not see the seabed, it adds credence that FI is 10km below sea level. Which means, if they are an equal distance from the sea level, Mariejois is 10km above sea level.
Its really all in the way you take it.
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Here we have, thanks to of onepiece.wikia, we have a pic Mariejois. Notice the heavy clouding around it, which I doubt is fog.
Hmm, cool. I don't remember that page. That definitely gives the impression that it is high up.
Now this could mean that it is 10km from FI to Mariejois, but some can take it as 10km under sea level.
Well I quoted Hatchan on the previous page, where he says that Fishman Island is 10,000 meters below sea level. According to Stephen's trans, at least. So there really shouldn't be any debate on that. I was generalizing in my first post due to the nature of their conversation in the manga and what I remembered of it.
Here we have a pic of FI and Mariejois on Red Line (or in, or under or what ever) So, while it might not be perfect or anything, one could take from this that FI and Mariejois are an equal distance from the Sea Level.
To be honest, I looked at this picture and just assumed that it was a basic reference. I never really considered that it was meant to be more or less proportioned, but now that I look at it after seeing the Mariejoa in the sky, it would make sense that it was meant to be proportioned.
Which means, if they are an equal distance from the sea level, Mariejois is 10km above sea level
Hmm. Well, you bring a good argument. While I still find Mariejoa being 10k meters above the ocean a bit preposterous in the sense that normal people are expected to travel it on foot, that Blue Sea dwellers cannot live normally at that height, and that Marineford isn't very far from it but has a harbor, you might be right. It would definitely make what Fisher Tiger did that much more impressive (scaling it with his bare hands). While none of this evidence is conclusive, I will admit that I was wrong in the sense that there is reason to believe it is pretty high up, if not in actuality ~10,000 meters. It could very well be where High West is located. I couldn't remember anything suggesting Mariejoa was anywhere near that height. Though, to your original theory, wouldn't the "2nd" city Nami was referring to be Marineford? I can't help but think Oda is purposely hiding the elevation of Mariejoa now…
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Yeah. I just assume it is a harbor town. I mean people have to arrive at Mariejoa somehow, so a harbor and a port with townsfolk to work the barges and docks would be necessary.
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When DoFlamingo and Kuma show up at the Shichibukai meeting after the Alabasta arc, the manga shows them entering through the Marineford harbor. So yes, the way to Mariejoe is likely through Marineford.
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For the Tenryuubito, if they are born on Mariejois for that past, what, 700-800 years, then they would very well have long adapted to the air.
The Counsel of Kings is a real problem with this theory, especially a ten-year-old Vivi. Possibly something like a decompression chamber?
It would be a good defense. Not only would they be out of cannon range, but anyone looking to invade them would be handicapped. Which makes Fisher Tiger's achievements so much greater.
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Since the SSIII went 5km+ down, and could not see the seabed, it adds credence that FI is 10km below sea level. Which means, if they are an equal distance from the sea level, Mariejois is 10km above sea level.
didn't nami stated that the sky islands are 10km above the sea?
And if marijoes is 10km above the sea the red line has to be it too,right?
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It would be a good defense. Not only would they be out of cannon range, but anyone looking to invade them would be handicapped. Which makes Fisher Tiger's achievements so much greater.
I would like to get to here more about Fisher Tiger, when the SH crew we get to Fishmen Island.
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didn't nami stated that the sky islands are 10km above the sea?
And if marijoes is 10km above the sea the red line has to be it too,right?
or am i mixing things up?White White Sea (and Skypiea) is at 10km. Still not 100% on the height of Mariejois, but if it is possible that it is at that height.
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I used real world cloud height to say 6000. But Maybe Mariejoa is about 7000, the same as white white sea
Also did anyone suggest that the person with the digging fruit could be the Gold Lion character? Maybe he had an ability which made him able to break through the rocks and steel in ID, like maybe he could spin around like a drill really fast and move fast enough so he no one would find out. Then he made the 5.5 level as we know it
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You mean the White Sea.
Gold Lion is the Brave World villain, right? If so, then his Fruit is probably going to involve physics (Paramecia) or a tunneling animal (Zoan). I seriously doubt a Devil Fruit would grant the power of spinning fast unless it were a filler Fruit like Apis had.
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It's ''Strong World''.
I think Shiki also had a sword with him in the Movie 10 trailer, if that counts for anything.
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Also did anyone suggest that the person with the digging fruit could be the Gold Lion character? Maybe he had an ability which made him able to break through the rocks and steel in ID, like maybe he could spin around like a drill really fast and move fast enough so he no one would find out. Then he made the 5.5 level as we know it
Wouldn't surprise me if it turns out to be him. At least I think that he is connected to Level 5.5 somehow.
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No I mean white white sea, the sea 3,000 meters below the white sea. I was just suggesting that it might be him and his ability might have something to do like that. Who knows he might have a friction fruit so he can slip through the air like nothing or cause major friction with his hand or something on the steel and break through it. I'm not just saying his ability will be solely based on spinning
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You're getting them confused.