I like the look of this new character. I'm just glad it's most likely not another damn guard.
Chapter 536 "Freezing Hell" Discussion
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its most likely some epic stuff :)
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No it's The PandaMan.
Look at the names, I mean, he is black and white. -
nothing more epic than THE pandaman :P
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Mr. 2 fighting the wolves was awesome
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Hannibal is not Iva. The guards asked him if he remembered the incident so he was already there while queen was a prisoner
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Dang, I'm really stoked for the next chapter. I really find out who this new character is. He's got a sweet design. Also, the whole fight with the wolves was awesome.
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Bon Kurei for nakama and SH will have the 2 most useless-in-combat devil fruits. Yomi Yomi fruit and Mane Mane fruit.
No it's The PandaMan.
Look at the names, I mean, he is black and white.Yep. that's the infamous panda zoan - the last yonkou - Pandaman's hybrid/natural form.
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Man, haki is kinda lame, almost like a deus ex machina. However, I trust in Oda to make it more interesting and I'm sure he's barely even scratched the surface of it yet. But so far it's like a stupid DBZ concept.
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ever since shabondy arc Oda always shows us the names of the semi-important characters, but what now Oda did not reveal his/her name WHY??
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ever since shabondy arc Oda always shows us the names of the semi-important characters, but what now Oda did not reveal his/her name WHY??
Maybe this person isn't semi-important but VERY important and might play a bigger/longer role than just this arc? or maybe this person is so minscule that they'll be fodder for the real semi-important character that'll show up next chap.
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@Preston:
Man, haki is kinda lame, almost like a deus ex machina. However, I trust in Oda to make it more interesting and I'm sure he's barely even scratched the surface of it yet. But so far it's like a stupid DBZ concept.
No, its not like a deus ex machina, how can you judge it, when we don't really know that much about it? Haki opens the door to keep One Piece's battles, battle abilities, fresh and new, hell it levels the playing field in some areas of battle, which is always a nice thing. Haki so far so good, there nothing wrong with it.
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Haki doesnt necesarilly need to be DBZ… it could resemble something in real life like aura or chakra, only get a bit exaggerate...
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@Preston:
Man, haki is kinda lame, almost like a deus ex machina. However, I trust in Oda to make it more interesting and I'm sure he's barely even scratched the surface of it yet. But so far it's like a stupid DBZ concept.
We hv seen it since chapter 1: If's its already foreshadowed then its not considered a deus ex machina.
But i do doubt the genuineness of this, it gives me an impression of r_everse foreshadowing._ When shanks scared the shit outta that sea creature, no one asked whoa what's that. It's just a wimp running around from an angry man and suddenly 400 chapters later we were told this is a behaviour of the new haki class.
At the moment we know know it inherits epicness, some of the haki users.
public interface haki
{
static List <characters>HakiUsers;
EPICNESS epicness;public void MakeFoam(ref List <characters>victims) {
foreach (Characters victim in victims) {victims.action = EnumAction.foaming;
victims.state = EnumCharacterState.Unconsious;
this.epicness.level += 100
}
}
public void SolifyingDevilFruit (…) {
...
}
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Hey guys! I think I just saw a deus ex machina walking down the street!
That's like the fourth deus ex machina today! Must be the warm weather. God I love when the deus ex machinas come out. Have you seen any deus ex machina recently in your area? If so, contact the Deus Ex Machina Hotline Spotters where the helpful deus ex machina counselors will ask you if you've read a goddamn dictionary in your life. They will then direct you to shove your head up your ass so the putrid bullshit you spooge from your mouth won't get on anyone else.
GREAT chapter.
And Alpaca Tanks for everyone.
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^ That's harsh, that term is certainly not being abused here. There's a logia problem luffy can never overcome. You can handle sand with water, electricity with rubber and it was never a issue until the emergence of kizaru. And it was in the very same arc rayleigh is fighting (allegedly using haki) with a elemental being, coincidence?
u can use a metaphor as long as u can justify it or find any resemblance.
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that term is certainly not being abused here.
Did you know it was also considered a deus ex machina when Bentham wanted to see Ivankov?
DEM is up there with 'irony' on the pedestal of 'WORDS THE INTERNET KILLED'.
Do a forum search on it. It will bring up hilarious results I'm sure.
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Ok i did as u told. now i understand ur intention, message. Sorry for misunderstanding now i agree with you
iva-san to save luffy -> certainly not dem as the confrontation with magellan can be avoided.
going merry to save sh -> certainly not dem becuz of going merry existence and the ship sh going to use it for escape don't have to be sunk, it's must the plot
dragon saving luffy from smoker -> he could have escaped with or without the intervention of dragon so it doesnt qualify.
Just happens that the haki solution to the kizaru makes a pretty good candidate for dem. Logia is a flaw, i was already anticipating how bb is going to beat ace eagerly. was waiting to see luffy vs aokiji round two. and finally expecting haki=solution coming from rayleigh as i though light dont have a natural nemesis.
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Haki doesnt necesarilly need to be DBZ… it could resemble something in real life like aura or chakra, only get a bit exaggerate...
I hate to break it to you but Naruto isn't real.
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^ lol ok you found the right word. Haki is cheap, not dem since there's always the seastone, it's not a dead end to the plot.
But it still a plausible candidate.
For 500 of chapters, there's no problem with logia. Crocodile and enel beaten without haki. For such reason, i always hope not every strong character must be a devil fruit users especially shanks and whitebeard. But some logia are overpowered, and nothing can stop ace, aokiji or kizaru (enel). I don't know if this is a flaw in the plot. Seastone is not used as a solution because the protagnoist is a devil fruit user, if it's used everywhere then we will need another cheap method to assist our protagnoist.
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I heard from someone in this forum says that the guy at the end that appears when Luffy and Bon Kurei went unconscious, says he looks like Klaus Nomi, the late german countertenor.
Anyway, I was wondering about this 'Demoning Away' rumour of people dissappeared without a trace. I was actually thinking what could make this rumour started, as said by the guard, Iva-san dissappeared without a trace a few years in Level 5 but he did not say that he is the first person to dissappeared and started this whole rumor.
What do you guys think of this? At first I was thinking that Iva could be the one who started this, he somehow secretly stole the keys behind the guards back when they first putting him in this level and he left his own cell to seek refuge in the abandon guards' office he've heard about in the forest, residing there. Then possibly more prisoners seem to have dissappeared from the Level, as by the means of dragged to the Gates of Hell, they were lead to the forest, by the help of Iva (possibly he worn something to cover his identity and when other prisoners are sleeping) came to their respective cell, unlock the door, possibly use his powers to heal some of them from their frozen states and ask to follow him to the forest, which lead to the origins of the 'Demoning Away'. Why is he asking them to follow him and what becomes to the prisoners is unknown, possibly becoming his followers and plotting to escape from Impel Down or something else.
Maybe I could be wrong, though unless this 'Demoning Away' is believed to be something or someone came from Level 6 in which is rumored and is blackened out from the Impel Down Map but its unlikely possible. So what do you guys think? I tried my best coming up with this theory. ^ ^
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For such reason, i always hope not every strong character must be a devil fruit users especially shanks and whitebeard.
No DF users but the haki monsters.
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^ lol ok you found the right word. Haki is cheap, not dem since there's always the seastone, it's not a dead end to the plot.
But it still a plausible candidate.
For 500 of chapters, there's no problem with logia. Crocodile and enel beaten without haki. For such reason, i always hope not every strong character must be a devil fruit users especially shanks and whitebeard. But some logia are overpowered, and nothing can stop ace, aokiji or kizaru (enel). I don't know if this is a flaw in the plot. Seastone is not used as a solution because the protagnoist is a devil fruit user, if it's used everywhere then we will need another cheap method to assist our protagnoist.
the only ones using seastones are marines
as they have a man who can extract it from the ocean VGso seastones was never an option for the average pirate
So then why was shanks and wb still untoucable against 3 admirals 2 of which have logia???
Haki was shown early on by shanks when he sacrificed his left arm for luffy but in my opinion i like haki
Zoro demon turn seemed like haki especially when it started to cause real physical/looking changes
bending swords
Seeing the demon
Breath
All can be explained using hakiHaki brings the final piece to the cycle of
Df users vs Normal strong humansBrute strength can only take u up to the zoan and paracimal levels
Haki takes u to easily dealling with the para types and Fighting logiait completes the battle between normal humans and df users so the way i see it its not a DeM
Gears well now i think about it seemed awfully random but then again i can see the logic in gear 2 lol still no logic to gear 3 tho (plz don't try to tell me their is logic to gear 3 cause if u do think there is then keep it too urslf)
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No DF users but the haki monsters.
yay, it's almost confirmed. who dare to bet against whitebeard being a haki.
But we always have mihawk who can cut element and he will display it in his duet with zoro on the pirates annual summit.
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I hate to break it to you but Naruto isn't real.
Also people are confusing dem with cheap.Who said anything bout naruto????
chakra that I mean in here is the one used by Hinduism and Buddhism…
Chakra (derived from the Sanskrit cakraṃ चक्रं, Phonetic pronunciation "chukr", Pali: chakka, Tibetan: khorlo, Malay: cakera) is a Sanskrit word that translates as wheel or disc.
Chakra is a concept referring to wheel-like vortices which, according to traditional Indian medicine, are believed to exist in the surface of the etheric double of man.[1] The Chakras are said to be "force centers" or whorls of energy permeating, from a point on the physical body, the layers of the subtle bodies in an ever-increasing fan-shaped formation (the fans make the shape of a love heart). Rotating vortices of subtle matter, they are considered the focal points for the reception and transmission of energies.[2] Seven major chakras or energy centers (also understood as wheels of light) are generally believed to exist, located within the subtle body. Practitioners of Hinduism and New Age Spirituality believe the chakras interact with the body's ductless endocrine glands and lymphatic system by feeding in good bio-energies and disposing of unwanted bio-energies.[3]
Much of the original information on Chakras comes from the "Upanishads", which are difficult to date because they are believed to have been passed down orally for approximately a thousand years before being written down for the first time between 1200–900 BCE.Anodea Judith (1996: p.5) provides a modern interpretation of the chakras:
A chakra is believed to be a center of activity that receives, assimilates, and expresses life force energy. The word chakra literally translates as wheel or disk and refers to a spinning sphere of bioenergetic activity emanating from the major nerve ganglia branching forward from the spinal column. Generally, six of these wheels are described, stacked in a column of energy that spans from the base of the spine to the middle of the forehead. And the seventh which is beyond the physical region. It is the six major chakras that correlate with basic states of consciousness…
Susan Shumsky (2003, p. 24) supports this idea:
Each chakra in your spinal column is believed to influence or even govern bodily functions near its region of the spine. Because autopsies do not reveal chakras, most people think they are a fancy of fertile imagination. Yet their existence is well documented in the traditions of the far east…and dem is become less and less cheap in here…
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^ lol ok you found the right word. Haki is cheap, not dem since there's always the seastone, it's not a dead end to the plot.
Why is it cheap? It's not something Oda pulled out of his ass recently but something that has been introduced since chapter 1.
Also it's not like Ambition has been overused in the story but rather that the discussions about it are to be found everywhere. The usage of Ambition is still very slowly progressing. And I don't see what's cheap about a fantastic ability in a universe where there's several other fantastic abilities (DF's, Mantra, Rokushiki, Life Return).
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Who said anything bout naruto????
You when you used chakra in the sense of naruto which is different from the stuff you quoted and not by way of exaggeration.
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the only ones using seastones are marines
as they have a man who can extract it from the ocean VGso seastones was never an option for the average pirate
So then why was shanks and wb still untoucable against 3 admirals 2 of which have logia???
Haki was shown early on by shanks when he sacrificed his left arm for luffy but in my opinion i like haki
Zoro demon turn seemed like haki especially when it started to cause real physical/looking changes
bending swords
Seeing the demon
Breath
All can be explained using hakiHaki brings the final piece to the cycle of
Df users vs Normal strong humansBrute strength can only take u up to the zoan and paracimal levels
Haki takes u to easily dealling with the para types and Fighting logiait completes the battle between normal humans and df users so the way i see it its not a DeM
Gears well now i think about it seemed awfully random but then again i can see the logic in gear 2 lol still no logic to gear 3 tho (plz don't try to tell me their is logic to gear 3 cause if u do think there is then keep it too urslf)
Right. haki is not a dem, it's foreshadowed. But that sea creature who feast on shanks arm is not a logia. Its methods/properties wasn't statically defined, you can add new property to it. It's the new property that bothers me, not haki. Cant it be just foam making or going by your definition - swordbending,shapeshifting,breath. I do agree with you in some area i did wish the breath theory can be used against logia. But everytime someone mentioned about cutting element they will be getting some sticks :)
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You when you used chakra like naruto does which the stuff you quoted does not.
Why is that?? I said a chakra or aura… which is quite common in the east world, many people still believed about chakra, which is inner strength from our body...
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Why is that?? I said a chakra or aura… which is quite common in the east world, many people still believed about chakra, which is inner strength from our body...
or your understanding bout chakra in just from naruto??? shallow I must say..<_< .
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The thing that I like less about haki is that it has the potential to kill something good that has One Piece, the all out brawls.
The battle vs Morgan's Marines, Buggy's Pirates, Black Cat Pirates, the Arlong Park Zoro massacre, Wiskey Peak, Triying to stop the war in Alabasta, the Invasion at Eines Loby, the Last stand in the Bridge of hesitation, Zombie Night and Scape from the human actuion house, all of those are battles of a part of the crew battling out vs the fodder force of a big enemy, even if some of those get drawn out they serve they purpose, as a warm up and to show how the StrawHats skills are improving, and as comic material to show just how they are different from the rest of the crews.
If from now on those battles get ended by a stare from Luffy.. I belive that the manga will lose something good, untill the point that even the fodder enemies aren't weak enough to be KO like that… all things considering that would be a good twist, but one that doesn't override the need of vs fodder brawls.
Of all of Haki's known uses, (Mass fodder KO, Prediction, DFAnull/ExplodingForce embedding) is the one that I think that could hurt the flow of the plot the most.
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Why is it cheap? It's not something Oda pulled out of his ass recently but something that has been introduced since chapter 1.
Also it's not like Ambition has been overused in the story but rather that the discussions about it are to be found everywhere. The usage of Ambition is still very slowly progressing. And I don't see what's cheap about a fantastic ability in a universe where there's several other fantastic abilities (DF's, Mantra, Rokushiki, Life Return).
Well, because some readers are anticipating how Luffy a potential PK can pit against the likes of aokiji, ace, kizaru of the world being a rubber. All their efforts are in vain as it's simply Haki. Who knows maybe haki is not the reason rayleigh touch kizaru. If invulnerabilty is a selling point for logias, then i find it cheap to provide luffy a tool in haki juz becuz he's the protagnoist. Cheap as in shortcut, shortest path possible adhoc solution to fix a plot's flaw (logia).
Haki is introduced since chapter 1, but not its ability to negate or solify a logia introduced.
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Why is that?? I said a chakra or aura… which is quite common in the east world, many people still believed about chakra, which is inner strength from our body...
or your understanding bout chakra in just from naruto??? shallow I must say..lol./ but… even that, it's not really real in the mainstream science. ;p
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^ That's harsh, that term is certainly not being abused here. There's a logia problem luffy can never overcome. You can handle sand with water, electricity with rubber and it was never a issue until the emergence of kizaru. And it was in the very same arc rayleigh is fighting (allegedly using haki) with a elemental being, coincidence?
u can use a metaphor as long as u can justify it or find any resemblance.
Aokiji too + I think haki is very helpful against Teach
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Maybe Kuma is behind disappearing case, haha
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Aokiji too + I think haki is very helpful against Teach
Yes, aokiji, common sense tells me the gear 2 won't do shit.
I am least worried about Teach because he negates the rubber ability but Luffy can still do what he does best - throwing punches.
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I hate to break it to you but Naruto isn't real.
Also people are confusing dem with cheap.I hate to break it to you, but Chakra has been around since 1000BC. Its Hindu.
Also, Haki is going to be needed. There HAS to be something separating the top dudes from the flunkies. The ability to master or control DF's can only go so far. What makes the Yonkou so powerful that it is going to need the combined efforts of the most powerful marines, all three Admirals, and six Shichibukai just to fight one Yonkou and his crew? 1600 crew members is a lot, but to call nearly all marines in to fight them. And the marines are still walking on eggshells.
Haki is needed. However, it can be ruined. But I trust Oda not to ruin it.
That is what it should really boil down. Do you trust Oda to keep up the epicness that is OP? I do.
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When I think haki again, it's almost greatest thing that Oda couldve invented since I had always thought about Shanks's and WB's greatness even if they havent got DF powers.
Haki is needed. However, it can be ruined. But I trust Oda not to ruin it.
That is what it should really boil down. Do you trust Oda to keep up the epicness that is OP? I do.
I do, Oda havent ruined anything so i trust him
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lol./ but… even that, it's not really real in the mainstream science. ;p
true..but still, it exist in the real world… lol
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Maybe Kuma is behind disappearing case, haha
Nah, that's impossible, if he does, then the ceiling of Level 5 would have a hole on it and every floor above it has a hole and if Kuma makes the person dissappeared by pushing him to the side, the level will have a hole on it and the entire floor is flooded with sea water, hence it is now call the 'Flooding Hell' XD
But seriously, Kuma is not responsible for the dissappearance case, my bro think it was a Yeti as means the monster of this level which cause all this when I ask him about the 'Demoning Case'.
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I hate to break it to you, but Chakra has been around since 1000BC. Its Hindu.
<_< Naruto and you guys are using Chakra in the sense of energy. ChakraS are not energy. Prana is.
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When I think haki again, it's almost greatest thing that Oda couldve invented since I had always thought about Shanks's and WB's greatness even if they havent got DF powers.
Haki is needed. However, it can be ruined. But I trust Oda not to ruin it.
That is what it should really boil down. Do you trust Oda to keep up the epicness that is OP? I do.
Don't get me wrong, i love haki and the fact that luffy has a king version, kinda like the chosen one. Shanks used it with a 'wow' factor. Just wondering why rayleigh can touch kizaru. And why must it be haki, not a seastone sword/slipper. I think it can have a better effort if Rayleigh used Haki and try to knock kizaru unconsious but kizaru is not a fodder so he wont yet he is still immobilize and lose his concentration and switched off his elemental form and …. and.... hmm yay, maybe this is how Haki works lolll
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When I think haki again, it's almost greatest thing that Oda couldve invented since I had always thought about Shanks's and WB's greatness even if they havent got DF powers.
excactly the way I was thinking…Thats why I think haki is essentials..
@elric...
No one is talking bout you orange ninja... chakra is something considered inner strength in our body... there are many 'community' in the east worl believe that they can hurt their enemies from a far using chakra... thats why I said, haki in OP is a bit more exxaggerating...and chakra IS energy…
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I was wondering whether the Haki technique has been around the One Piece timeline a 1000 years ago and whether the World Nobles knows something about this? :/
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true..but still, it exist in the real world… lol
<quote>….and there will be sparkling stars falling from the sky among the fairies and wizards. The End.... Good night. lol</quote>
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<quote>….and there will be sparkling stars falling from the sky among the fairies and wizards. The End.... Good night. lol</quote>
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and chakra IS energy…
http://www.chakraenergy.com/You're using a site with an ad for "Your Chakra Superstore" as your reference.
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Well, because some readers are anticipating how Luffy a potential PK can pit against the likes of aokiji, ace, kizaru of the world being a rubber. All their efforts are in vain as it's simply Haki. Who knows maybe haki is not the reason rayleigh touch kizaru. If invulnerabilty is a selling point for logias, then i find it cheap to provide luffy a tool in haki juz becuz he's the protagnoist. Cheap as in shortcut, shortest path possible adhoc solution to fix a plot's flaw (logia).
Well I think it is obvious with Luffy's progression in Ambition (meaning he doesn't know that he's using it at all) it is obvious that it will be a large process of growth he'd have to go through until he succesfully can rape a Logia. Have faith in Oda here. Just look at the progress Luffy's rubber ability went through. It's not like he was where is now from the beginning. Ambition shouldn't be any different.
Haki is introduced since chapter 1, but not its ability to negate or solify a logia introduced.
Which perfectly proves my point that Ambition doesn't simply make you rape Logias out of a sudden but apparently has lots of potential that will be further explored with time. The sole fact that a) it was Roger's first mate who used it against a Logia user and b) even him had to put some effort into this fight proves that it's not a cheap trick that makes weaklings go boom and lets them OHKO guys that are 100 times stronger then them. I know that's not what you said, but I'm just trying to explain why the sole concept of Ambition isn't cheap. It can only become cheap it used wrong which I seriously doubt will be the case considering how long it has been around without infecting the story at all.
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You're using a site with an ad for "Your Chakra Superstore" as your reference.
not as reference but to back me up for what I said… since those site is seeing chakra as an energy...
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Which perfectly proves my point that Ambition doesn't simply make you rape Logias out of a sudden but apparently has lots of potential that will be further explored with time. The sole fact that a) it was Roger's first mate who used it against a Logia user and b) even him had to put some effort into this fight proves that it's not a cheap trick that makes weaklings go boom and lets them OHKO guys that are 100 times stronger then them. I know that's not what you said, but I'm just trying to explain why the sole concept of Ambition isn't cheap. It can only become cheap it used wrong which I seriously doubt will be the case considering how long it has been around without infecting the story at all.
Right, i get what you mean here, able to hit aokiji doesn't assure victory and haki doesn't negate a devil fruit power, Kizaru still can use his light saber after contact with rayleigh etc. Now it doesnt sound so cheap afterall.
I was just hopeful Haki is for ppl like shanks, whitebeard or garp. And Luffy can use his resourcefulness or teamwork to overcome those obstacles. I guess Haki is too cool for Luffy to go without afterall