I don't get all of the "WANZE HAET." I love him. He's way more tolerable than friggin' Mr. 2, in my opinion.
Chapter 370 "Not Alone" Discussion
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Er, I don't really have an opinion of Wanze, but there is no way in hell he measures up to the greatness that is Mr. 2 Bon Clay.
puuurrrs Sanji, what a great character. Apart from Luffy I think Sanji is Oda's favorite character, he gets just so many freakin' badass shots. I hope an HQ version of this chapter comes out soon so I or somebody can make a color version/LJ icon of Sanji and the knives. He looks dead sexy. Zoro better watch out, Sanji's cutting in on his territory. Pun intended. :P
But yes, Usopp kinda summed up what it meant to be a Straw Hat right there in his little speech. Robin obviously hasn't grasped it yet, but that's the trial the characters face before becoming 100% nakama. Nami had the same problem, but there's no doubt that Robin will eventually fold in her opinion.
And the fact that Usopp said those things makes me even more sure he'll rejoin.
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Originally posted by Satsuki@Jun 9 2005, 08:18 PM
**Er, I don't really have an opinion of Wanze, but there is no way in hell he measures up to the greatness that is Mr. 2 Bon Clay.puuurrrs Sanji, what a great character. Apart from Luffy I think Sanji is Oda's favorite character, he gets just so many freakin' badass shots. I hope an HQ version of this chapter comes out soon so I or somebody can make a color version/LJ icon of Sanji and the knives. He looks dead sexy. Zoro better watch out, Sanji's cutting in on his territory. Pun intended. :P
But yes, Usopp kinda summed up what it meant to be a Straw Hat right there in his little speech. Robin obviously hasn't grasped it yet, but that's the trial the characters face before becoming 100% nakama. Nami had the same problem, but there's no doubt that Robin will eventually fold in her opinion.
And the fact that Usopp said those things makes me even more sure he'll rejoin.
[snapback]66858[/snapback]**Bon Clay >>>>>>> Wanze
And I dunno about Sanji being one of Oda's faves… it's just Sanji's thing. He's the guy with eighty million cool points. No, make that eighty BILLION cool points.
And I agree with the Usopp/Robin statements. You're a good orator. Except, you know, it's on the internet. Instead of out loud. Anyway, you say everything that needs to be said.
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I don't think Wanze is out of tricks yet, he may just have one or two ramen kenpo moves up his sleeve. I will be dissapointed if he collapses quickly next week. Maybe if Sanji defeats the Ramen suit, Wanze will still put up a tough fight against Sanji.
Right now, I think that Franky has the advantage over Nero. Franky dosen't need to think "Tekkai" to activate his tough cyborg body, its like its always on, protecting him. In addition, Nero dosen't know Franky is a cyborg. Although I think the rest of CP9 does, seeing as they weren't too surprised at Franky's strong right attack when they captured him.
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OMG!! WHAT AN AWESOME CHAPTER!!! <– sori i got to say it in caps!
sanji w/ knives = fucking badass!!!
franky removing flesh gloves to reveal cyborg hands = fucking badass!!!
sogeking robin talk = damn good, i like the lines of uso.. er i mean soge kingbest chapter in like 100 chapters
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I dunno, Usopp always seemed like one of Oda's "favorites."
And sorry, Bon Clay got old really quick to me.
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Yeah, Wanze still has those damn goggles and I saw alcohol on his cart.
But anyway, this is slightly off topic but what the hell.
This just hit me roughly the same way it hit me when Chopper did Horn Point for the first time and I totally didn't even think he had any left we didn't see. Assuming Road of Thorns is a speciality move for Caulifa, isn't there a move we have yet to see of Roku Shiki? It just hit me because Nero can only do 4 Shiki and I was thinking of what he can't do, strangely I couldn't think of one other from the full 6. Am I just hallucinating?
edit: AH! I just remebered Kamie! I thought it was Soru! Okay that's kinda stinky. Sooooo, that means Nero can't do Tekkai or Shigan right? That's pretty cool. It makes him super great at dodging but he can't take direct hits. MAN! HOW ARE THEY GOING TO TAKE DOWN TEKKAI!??
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Bon Clay was kind of funny. He didn't annoy me that much. I'm going to be disappointed if Wanze doesn't go down next chapter, but I hope Franky's fight lasts a while. And I hope Robin decides to go back sooner rather than later.
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1. Geppou
2. Rankyaku
3. Soru
4. Shigan
5. Kami-e
6. Tekkai
That's six.
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But, I agree that every member has shown some specialty...
Lucci: Neko Neko Fruit
Blueno: Doa Doa Fruit
Kaku: Paver thingies
Califa: Whip use
Nero has shown four:
1. Soru
2. Rankyaku
3. Geppou
4. Kami-e
That covers his 4-shiki. But, who's to say he DOESN'T have a specialty move or two? He'd have to, I think, to cause any serious frontal damage to Franky.
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Geppou: "Moon Walk". With explosive leg strength, one kicks the very air to float
Rankyaku: "Storm Leg". The kick used is sped up to such a rate that "kamakaze" (scythe wind) is caused, which cuts the opponent
Soru: "Shave". Like Geppou, Soru uses that same leg strength to move fast enough to seemingly disappear.
Shigan: "Finger Gun". The user simply stabs the opponent with a hardened finger, piercing them like a bullet
Kami-e: "Paper Picture". The user evades so swiftly and skillfully that he resembles a piece of paper fluttering in the wind
Tekkai: "Iron Mass". The user turns their body temporarily into a mass of steel, impenetrable to normal attacks.
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Didn't Nero use Rankyaku with his arms?
Check page seventeen, first two panels. It shows him standing on his hand and kicking for Rankyaku.
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Aww, shit.
I accidentally hit edit instead of reply. Sorry.
At least your post was quoted… ? Sorry... Yes, check page seventeen again. You'll see it.
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thanks goanderson, now i have to write it down lol
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Originally posted by GoAnderson@Jun 10 2005, 09:15 AM
That covers his 4-shiki. But, who's to say he DOESN'T have a specialty move or two? He'd have to, I think, to cause any serious frontal damage to Franky.
[snapback]66915[/snapback]Yeh, that's what I've been thinking. Maybe a secret shiki technique he's developed on his own, to set him apart from the rest. Because if that's all Nero's got, then he's in more than a little strife. ;)
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Yeah it would be very disapointing if that was all there was too him. kinda 2-dimesional in way
Anyway i think that nero has the advantage in this fight, i mean that franky will have to trick him or something to get a hit. But all nero has to do is realise that his back isnt protected, which being a badass assasin, his first idea should be to look for a weak spot. Add this to the fact that knocking him off does nothing.
Frankys does have on his side, that nero cant kill him though which is gonna stop him gettin kicked off into the water, sliced in half etc.
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Well remember when he was about to fall in the water? I thought he was going to. His nickname is 'sea weasel' right? I expected him to pull off some crazy high-speed shit. Maybe not though T^T
And for the record, yes it's clear that Wanze is a total Mad Hatter inspiration and off his rocker, HE'S STILL AWESOME!!! Oda has a knack for making completely lame villains RIDICULOUSLY COOL AND STRONG. Man, when he spaced out because of Sanji's curl DESPITE THE TWO IDENTICAL CURLS ON HIS OWN FACE I fell out of my chair.
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Yeah, I laughed at the fact that Sanji's upside down eyebrow looks just like Wanze's cheeks.
_Originally posted by TheTalentedMr.Sanji+Jun 10 2005, 06:12 AM–>QUOTE(TheTalentedMr.Sanji @ Jun 10 2005, 06:12 AM)Man, I seriously hate Wanze. I can't believe Sanji is getting his ass kicked by him. Does anyone else think its dissappointing that Sanji had to resort to using knives to fight him? But I think Nero is really cool. Does anybody think that Sanji and Franky are going to get another fight this arc? And the place where Baroque went, is that somewhere that has been seen in the manga before?
[snapback]66752[/snapback]Eh, I think making Wanze so nutty was a really good idea. It'd be a bit boring if he went against some "badass" with "cool" attacks. Besides, Wanze's gotta be pretty strong; he's the fighter of CP7.
And no, where Goldenweek is has never been shown before.
I got another question; How do you guys know when another color spread is coming, and do you know when the next one is coming?
[snapback]66766[/snapback]I believe it says it in Jump.
Originally posted by oceanizer@Jun 10 2005, 08:03 AM
I think "bottom of the hell" is just a mere expression often used with "the end of the earth"
[snapback]66816[/snapback]I've no clue about the exact wording, but I think it'd kinda be foreshadowing if Usopp said "depths of hell" and they actually go to a pirates' hell.
Originally posted by Cap'n Carter@Jun 10 2005, 08:51 AM
I don't get all of the "WANZE HAET." I love him. He's way more tolerable than friggin' Mr. 2, in my opinion.
[snapback]66836[/snapback]Couldn't have said it better.
@Jun 10 2005, 09:47 AM
**I don't think Wanze is out of tricks yet, he may just have one or two ramen kenpo moves up his sleeve. I will be dissapointed if he collapses quickly next week. Maybe if Sanji defeats the Ramen suit, Wanze will still put up a tough fight against Sanji.Right now, I think that Franky has the advantage over Nero. Franky dosen't need to think "Tekkai" to activate his tough cyborg body, its like its always on, protecting him. In addition, Nero dosen't know Franky is a cyborg. Although I think the rest of CP9 does, seeing as they weren't too surprised at Franky's strong right attack when they captured him.
[snapback]66894[/snapback]**__What I think makes it awesome is the power against speed thing. Franky's like a flashy jawbreaker, with all those powerful hits and no Tekkai to get in his way. But, Nero is quite quick and very agile.
And of course he has to have more attacks than Rankyaku. It'd suck if he's a sea weasel for nothing._
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And yeah, I guess part of my love for Wanze is how he's completely inspired by the Mad Hatter. I was a huge Alice in Wonderland fanatic when I was a kid. And yeah, Omae, I love how Oda takes lame looking guys and makes them totally badass (Enel comes to mind).
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Originally posted by Buccaneer+Jun 9 2005, 10:32 PM–>QUOTE(Buccaneer @ Jun 9 2005, 10:32 PM)
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Originally posted by Buccaneer+Jun 9 2005, 08:32 PM–>QUOTE(Buccaneer @ Jun 9 2005, 08:32 PM)
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I like the bigger people. But not the ones like Earthquake. :P
That actually makes me wonder if Calipha will do her Lightning Kick-thing again.
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Agreed. Gaira > * > Earthquake :lol: (Chalk it up to SNK to create both the California ninja AND the Texan ninja)
I totally forgot Calipha had a Lightning Kick too ! Well crap. Nero can pull an E. Honda then.
… That just gave me the best mental image ever. :lol:
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Does Franky's Strong Hammer hand remind anybody else of the guy with the gun hand from Cyborg 009?
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great epi
thanks
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Wow! what a nice chapter.. ^_^
and suddenly, after seeing page 6, i think that:
Sogeking & Robin will fight Corgi ;)
that's what i thinking of.. maybe it's not true
sorry for my bad english :rolleyes:
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Does Franky's Strong Hammer hand remind anybody else of the guy with the gun hand from Cyborg 009?
Guess you mean Albert, 004. He's the human arsenal guy. Honestly, I can't not think of Cyborg 009 when I see Franky. Even though he has so little in common with any of them. Then I want to sing the old 70's theme song. Saiborgu senshi, taga, tame ni, tatakau!
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Thanks for the translations! ^^ This chapter is hilarous, esp. the part when Usopp was playing Robin's hand…
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Waaah! I went out half a day, i slept one night and you write down 7 pages of replay?
You guys sure are something! :lol:Really an awesome chapter!!!!
Sanji with knives… ahah, that was really unespected :lol:
And Usop speech... i really waited for him saying something like that; i do think that he is already in the mood for rejoining the crew...from the very time he did that speech to sanji and then put up the "sogeking" thing. Therefore, i'm thinking that, even if he now wants to rejoin the crew (maybe he didn't realized it yet, but his heart wants it, and his behaviour shows it), i'm guessing what will Luffy do: at a time like this, even if i'm sure Usop will rejoin (he HAS to, NO METTER WHAT!), i'm guessing what should happen to make Luffy accept him a second time. Luffy right now is too much emotional about what happened, i dont think Oda can solve it too easily... :) -
Bah maybe next chapter we will see T-Bone though ^^, (missing him already XD)
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Seeing Franky blow a fireball made me think of Sasuke from Naruto….
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Originally posted by Buccaneer@Jun 10 2005, 04:32 AM
And no, where Goldenweek is has never been shown before.
[snapback]66982[/snapback]Erm, yes it was. Check the first page of chapter 117 and you´ll see not only that the island looks the same but also is called Kyuuka Island. ;)
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Originally posted by Ivotas@Jun 10 2005, 04:58 PM
Erm, yes it was. Check the first page of chapter 117 and you´ll see not only that the island looks the same but also is called Kyuuka Island. ;)
[snapback]67100[/snapback]Unbelieeeevable. Right after I finished convincing myself that I was right.
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Awsome chapter!
Nero is very cool cp9 , i prefer him to the others because he doesn't look like an invicible guy but he is still a strong guy .
I love his rankyaku :lol: , it reminds me of guile's flash kick in street fighter 2 .
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eh?? I'm late again ^^; but anyway, thankyou very much for the chapter
hmm…. Robin-Sogeking conv, nice, but I never expected the conversation would turn out into an argument. oh, Robin... why you have to be so stuborn :( but yeah, I agree with someone has said it in the previous post, this is some problem faced by someone before they turned into 100% Strawhats. and a very great speech by Ussop. and the 2 man inside one jacket still make me smile XD (since I've seen it yesterday in spoiled thread). I think that's Ussop's idea, but his hand movements and Robin's facial expression are just... not match XD maybe Corgi will not that suspicious if the 'hands' didn't make that kind of pose XDand... I really never expected that Wanze can make Sanji bleed, but the panel with Sanji holding those knives is jusssssstttt sooo coooolllll :wub:
Franky vs Nero fight is also cool and hilarious at the same time, the 'what the heck are you!!' XD btw, Franky took off his right gloves right? but why when he was kicked by Nero and when he let loose that breath fire, it's his left hand that coloured black? then in last panel back to his right hand? hmm... maybe I'm too tired that I see things... -_-...
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Originally posted by Tare_chan@Jun 10 2005, 07:30 AM
Franky vs Nero fight is also cool and hilarious at the same time, the 'what the heck are you!!' XD btw, Franky took off his right gloves right? but why when he was kicked by Nero and when he let loose that breath fire, it's his left hand that coloured black? then in last panel back to his right hand? hmm… maybe I'm too tired that I see things... -_-...
[snapback]67164[/snapback]no, it appears that oda (or his assistants) made another mistake. it was brought up on another forum too.
ooshi78
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And brought up by me here. Rawk awn!
Um, Robin's stubborness. Nami was kinda the same way, but then she got humbled, kinda. Maybe the same will have to happen here. I dunno what could be done, though. Break a banana over her head and call her stupid?
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i can't wait for the next chapter as i think we'll finally know how much time separates puffing tom and rocketman (the last frame should be the time remaining for rocketman to arrive to eneas lobby)
oh, and i think this will be the last chapter with wanze. i'll be able to eat ramen again
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_Originally posted by ooshi78+Jun 10 2005, 09:34 PM–>QUOTE(ooshi78 @ Jun 10 2005, 09:34 PM)no, it appears that oda (or his assistants) made another mistake. it was brought up on another forum too.
ooshi78
[snapback]67165[/snapback]ah… I see... then my eyes is still normal :P_
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i don't think robin has to be humbled, i think it would be more amusing if she went back to that very confident person she was as miss all-sunday. i think that she has been humbled by her trip with the strawhats and her decision on water 7
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Originally posted by Tare_chan@Jun 10 2005, 03:30 PM
eh?? I'm late again ^^; but anyway, thankyou very much for the chapter
hmm…. Robin-Sogeking conv, nice, but I never expected the conversation would turn out into an argument. oh, Robin... why you have to be so stuborn :( but yeah, I agree with someone has said it in the previous post, this is some problem faced by someone before they turned into 100% Strawhats. and a very great speech by Ussop. and the 2 man inside one jacket still make me smile XD (since I've seen it yesterday in spoiled thread). I think that's Ussop's idea, but his hand movements and Robin's facial expression are just... not match XD maybe Corgi will not that suspicious if the 'hands' didn't make that kind of pose XD
[snapback]67164[/snapback]I don´t know, but I actually like her attitude. It is much more believable if she´s stubborn first. We still don´t know what hell she has been through in the last twenty years but she must be convinced that what she does is the only logic thing to do.
BTW, it will make a much bigger on us if she´ll rejoin with a big bang as Nami did instead of saying "You know what? You´re right! Let´s get out of here." That somehow wouldn´t fit very well with the fact that she´s given herself in to the government after she was running from them for twenty years. I just like her stubborness better then the opposite.BTW, a little food for thought. What if Robin, even though she didn´t tell Iceburg so, had a plan to do something completely idiotic once she paced Eneas Lobby? Don´t ask me any specifics, but what if she still had an ass upon her sleve?
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~begins to melt~ Oh my gosh sanji…It makes sense what he did but I didn't expect him to do what he did!! Ugly-ramen-guy (I know his name but that's not important) is soo going down. I wonder when Sanji will fight a "real" enemy and not these freak show rejects!
Looks llike Zoro better watch his back (for some reason this song pops up in m head when I see Sanji with knives)-
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Move bch, get out the way
Get out the way bch, get out the way
Move bch, get out the way
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Originally posted by Ivotas@Jun 10 2005, 10:57 AM
**I don´t know, but I actually like her attitude. It is much more believable if she´s stubborn first. We still don´t know what hell she has been through in the last twenty years but she must be convinced that what she does is the only logic thing to do.
BTW, it will make a much bigger on us if she´ll rejoin with a big bang as Nami did instead of saying "You know what? You´re right! Let´s get out of here." That somehow wouldn´t fit very well with the fact that she´s given herself in to the government after she was running from them for twenty years. I just like her stubborness better then the opposite.BTW, a little food for thought. What if Robin, even though she didn´t tell Iceburg so, had a plan to do something completely idiotic once she paced Eneas Lobby? Don´t ask me any specifics, but what if she still had an ass upon her sleve?
[snapback]67202[/snapback]**I agree with you Ivotas. She was completely determined in doing what she believes to be the best outcome to save the Strawhats to the point that she will give in herself to the government. It will be dissappointing if she suddenly went along with Usopp, which is implying that her determination is nothing. One of the probable reason she didn't want to go back is the burden or curse she believe she is carrying (as Aokiji mentioned). Everywhere she go people will look for her ability to read ancient language, and that will indirectly affect the Strawhats.
I don't know whether she'll do anything crazy on Eneas Lobby. The only crazy/stupid thing I can think of is that she'll probably commit suicide since she was prepared to die back in Alabasta if Luffy hadn't saved her.
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i don't think that Robin will commit suicide. After Luffy sort of forced her to live, i think he made her think of life as something precious.
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Originally posted by Soupster@Jun 10 2005, 12:27 PM
i don't think that Robin will commit suicide. After Luffy sort of forced her to live, i think he made her think of life as something precious.
[snapback]67248[/snapback]I agree. It kinda shows in Skypiea. I believe that she was forgetting about her past and ready to move on with her life along with the StrawHats. However, the appearance of Aokiji followed by CP9 was like a wake-up call to her that her past would not let go of her. So it might be possible that after saving the Strawhats, she felt that there was no more reason to keep going.
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Originally posted by Knight@Jun 10 2005, 06:23 PM
I don't know whether she'll do anything crazy on Eneas Lobby. The only crazy/stupid thing I can think of is that she'll probably commit suicide since she was prepared to die back in Alabasta if Luffy hadn't saved her.
[snapback]67242[/snapback]Well back in Alabasta the enemy was Crocodile. She´s been living under his and his criminal organisations protection for four years. Though the main time of her life she was running away from the World Government the time with Crocodile might have distracted her a little bit from the WG´s threat.
However now the opponent is the World Government itself. Robin told Cobra that she hates each and everything that has anything to do with the WG. My speculation is that the World Government killed her parents because they were able to reach the ancient text´s and that she´s on the run since then.
If something like that would be the case then you can´t compare Crocodile to the WG because she has a personal grudge against them. And therefore I think that she might be prepared to do something incredibly stupid at Eneas Lobby, Marine HQ or Impel Down just to give the WG a huge payback.As I said it is highly speculative what I said. There´s no evidence for my assumption. But since this is a One Piece board I thought I´d share it with you guys. :D
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Originally posted by Ivotas@Jun 10 2005, 08:57 AM
but what if she still had an ass upon her sleve?
[snapback]67202[/snapback]I think you mean ace. :D
But considering that we don't know EXACTLY how Mr. Sniper-King is hiding in her coat, she COULD have an ass up her sleeve at the moment
Okay somebody shoot me for that right now.
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Originally posted by tengu@Jun 10 2005, 02:41 PM
Okay somebody shoot me for that right now.
[snapback]67292[/snapback]shoots him
Be happy now.