@Ivotas:
Well, if you're ok with the different categories argument then I'm ok with it too. BUT the point still remains that the only time we've seen Moria take shadows back was with making physical contact (with his shadow being his physical extension). No matter if Oda had stilistic reasons for it or not, this is how it has been shown to work in the manga and we as readers have to accept it. No offense, but arguing that point is ridiculous because you rival the author himself and not me.
So even though they're different categories you'll apply the same to each? Oh well, I can't really make you not do that so I guess that's that. But what exactly is wrong with questioning the author when there's enough within the story to suggest a broader range of control? It's not like I'm making up situations where something regarding Moria's control is brought up.
Well this is what I would call the exception because it would mean purification. If Moria would simply say "I command all shadows to return to their original masters" then the spell is practically broken. I mean purified shadows return to their masters by themselves and do not require somebody physically pushing them that direction don't they? So such a command from Moria would be the same because he would liberate them.
In Shadows Asgard however, the shadows are still under his control. Much as he physically pushed them inside the zombies he is physically exctracting them because they are still his slaves which he literally has to grab.
A situation without having to do with purification?
Let's see…what about when Doppelman returned to Moria when Luffy finally caught up to it during their little chase? I mean we know he was nowhere near Luffy at that point and Moria never actually made physical effort to put the shadow back.
Heck, he was even holding them back with his hands when they tried to escape out of his mouth. If the oral command "return to me" is enough to make the shadows obey then they shouldn't have left his mouth since they would have been bound by the command. But they still escaped and he still used physical strenght to hold them back. I'm sorry, but as I said above, everything shown in the story so far shows that physical strenght is required too (as long as the pure shadows are concerned).
You can't really use that since Nightmare Moria was losing his control of the shadows due to how many he put inside himself. And since they were forcefully trying to escape because of that strain they weren't under his command anymore so that doesn't really change anything. My point never had anything to do with pure or already purified shadows. It's about the ones already extracted and under his complete control.
Yeah you did. And you constantly ignored my response to it which would be that it doesn't matter whether stilistic reasons were responsible for such a portrayal of Shadows Asgard or not. The point is that in the end this is how it has been established to work inside the story itself. And we shouldn't argue it.
Well that just sucks; guess I can't question anything in the comic anymore huh.:sad:
Besides, saying that it would look boring without the physical connection is more a matter of personal taste and not a valid objective argument. Btw, do you find this boring because the return works without a direct physical connection either? I don't think so. If you do then it's fine too. But it's a matter of taste and nothing more.
Oh I never attempted to use that as a valid point in my argument. I simply brought it up as an option for why maybe it was done. That's why I never really brought it up outside that initial mention of it, but if I did then my mistake.
So you basically disagree with the authors statements themselves? Perona's underlings said that some of their mates disappeared thanks to Kuma which makes it a fact. And even though Sentomaru wasn't correct with the 3 days statement he was correct that Kuma sends you away on a different island. So unless we don't see Kuma being able to moving people around within the island they are located at, I go with what has been established so far and expect for Kuma's powers to be able to send people far away. Again, I'm going with what has been established in the manga so far. And with that the most likely guess is that Kuma sent zombies to different island. Saying that this didn't happen means, disagreeing with the (I admit) so far known facts.
If I remember it was just stated by Sentomaru that only Kuma knows where whoever is sent by his pads goes so yes he could have simply sent them somewhere else at Thriller Bark. It doesn't have to be off whatever island he's on, but there is always that chance since it's essentially at Kuma's discretion though I doubt that's the case regarding whatever zombies he hit with his pads.
So yes I don't think there were any zombies off of Thriller Bark.
And I wonder why? Do you really hate the idea so much that you don't even want to accept the logic in my argumentation? I don't see where there is a problem if one or two zombies get purified in a later arc. The result would be the same, which means there'd be no shadowless victim left. It's not like I'm suggesting that such a victim would remain a victim for ever.
Um…I myself even wrote out a situation if a zombie is indeed out of the island so I'm not outright diregarding that option. Though I think it is a bad idea and I'm against it; nothing wrong with disagreeing with one another.
There's more ways of foreshadowing then such obvious scenes in which we see a zombie being exempt from getting his shadow taken. In fact, isn't Oda the guy where you sometimes only in a retrospective view can say that he was foreshadowing? Because this is what I'm suggesting. Again I repeat, just imagine for a second that what I suggest would happen. In that case we could in a retrospective view say that Kuma sending zombies away and Moria only claiming the shadows at Thriller Bark would have been foreshadowing. At least if the respective zombie(s) would say that this is exactly how he could still be "alive".
I don't understand why you can't consider that as foreshadowing.
Read above.
@dinty:
Of course she will appear in the future – Usopp's "tall tales" always come true.
My guess is that it will be Tashigi, carrying provisions back to Smoker's ship.
I'm hoping it's an actual opponent of Zoro's somewhere in the New World personally. Since we know Zoro doesn't discriminate against a female opponents sans Tashigi herself I'm banking on Usopp's prediction leading up to someone else.