Yeah, I just found it. And I'm very disappointed in you people…
Chapter 519 "The Quality of a King" Discussion
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Wait. But what about…
[hide]…the sisters. Are they "adopted" too? Or are they simply 'in on the gag' for the hell of it? Also, why does there exist a story that they "went out and defeated the Gorgon" if they had this "secret" on their backs all along? Wouldn't someone have noticed her wings faaaar far before she was old enough to "defeat" this "Gorgon"? And how did they not stick out when we saw her in the bath? Oh well. These are just the first thoughts that came into my mind...[/hide]
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Why did you spoiler tag, and go all nuts, over that?!
Secret special message for Captain:
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I hate to sound like a self-righteous bastard that I feel the need to put my ideas in a spoiler tag but…I happen to like the ideas and on the 0.000001% chance they're even close to being right, I wouldn't want to ruin this for anyone.
brennen,
Since we've now drifted away from what I suggested regarding several specific related topics and this in particular HAS been dealt with on the board prior to this, I feel comfortable without tags.Easy. They only have to keep up the story. They keep their backs hidden as well and whereas Hancock actually has something, chances are decent they have nothing…or a fake 'something'.
As for us not being able to see them in the tub, I believe I suggested they may be taped down and even if they aren't, Oda was careful to draw a conspicuous puff of steam over her back in the one scene it wasn't obscured by her hair.
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Mantra wasn't an inborn trait anyway. Aisa was treated like an exception for being able to do it since birth. Other then her, nobody could do it except for Enel and the Priests. And all of the Citizens of the White Sea, Mantra users or not, had the wings. So Greg, if you were implying what I think you were implying… It seems illogical. The Sky Islanders' wings are just a genetic trait peculiar to them (well, and the Shandians.) Mantra and Haki aren't even related anyway. Mantra is detecting the subtle sounds around you. Haki is using your strength of presence to over-power people. There is no relation between the two, and I don't see why people keep trying to use Haki as an explanation for Mantra, when we've had a Haki-less explanation of Mantra for about 5 years. As for the cover for volume 27, I think that was just a gag.
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Mantra wasn't an inborn trait anyway.
I don't think people are suggesting it necessarily. Only that it can be inborn: Aisa. As for Mantra and how it works; fact is, it wasn't completely explained. What we seem to know is:
- You can detect people from far away. Sound maybe.
- You can detect peoples feelings.
- You can hear the voice of someone's life: Asia hearing when people died, right?
- You can predict someones movements, but not non-mentally controlled actions.
Not that much to really condemn the theory. What do we know about Haki? Hardly anything really, but it can apparently allow you to predict someones movements. Hmmm. Note that Sanji asks about mind reading, and Gan Fall has no answer other than he suspects that Mantra has something to do with hearing sounds a body makes. Neither have been fully explained. In my experience an theory presented in a story is the author giving us a hint, but not the full explanation. As it was not really explained much further, I believe it wasn't fully explained. Haki could quite possibly do just that. Not to mention it would connect something in the story that wasn't quite answered completely.
Easy.
I see. That answer's my questions. Interesting idea. Especially since I finally read the Enel cover story and became more interested in the sky dwellers.
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You can detect people from far away. Sound maybe.
You can detect peoples feelings, but not mentally controlled actions.
You can hear the voice of someone's life: Asia hearing when people died, right?
You can predict someones movements.The 1st point, I highly doubt it is sound. It's more of an intuitive mind reading thing. A sixth sense if you will, they(Enel and Asia) hear it in their head in a way that doesn't seem like some type of super hearing. They'd be in pain from all the screams if true. Also at one point doesn't it(Enel in fact) say that Enel's DF amplified his mantra and that's why he had the greatest range of it able to sense all the ppl on Skypeia? or was that fan motivated and it's not true?
I don't get the 2nd point in regards to "not mentally controlled actions." How does that relate to the feelings? and when they predict someone's attacks isn't that detecting a mentally controlled action?
As for the 3rd point I don't think anyone died but she was able to tell when ppl became unconscious. Same with Enel counting down the amount of ppl left in his little game.
When I think about it now mantra sounds more like what Rayleigh was talking about in regards to the late PK. You could argue both Aisa & Enel can hear the voice of all things, just that they didn't demonstrate hearing the language of the poneglyphs(since neither was near them) but then again how Roger was able to hear the voice of a poneglyph and/or translate is unknown and sounds complicated and is imo from what little we know.
About what Gan Fall says that sounds more related to reading a person's movements though, not saying it is the opposite of what mantra users have shown us but it seems to lean more on that side(from what he said).
It might as well be mind reading though. Since they know the move the moment an opponent thinks about it and can usually react before the opponent can execute said move.
Anyway random thoughts but it is up in the air whether or not mantra is innate or a technique that can be learned. I can see how some say it has nothing to do with haki but some signs have been shown. It's hard to distinguish between what Enel did in his fight with Luffy and what one of the Boa sisters did in their fight with Luffy.
The way things are now I think there's a good chance Oda will outright tell us that haki and mantra are related somehow. Then again they called it mantra in the sky, could have a different name in the blue sea. Hell haki and mantra could be one in the same and some of the skypeians only knew how to do one type of it.
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Alot of Zik quotes: [hide]@Zik:
The 1st point, I highly doubt it is sound. It's more of an intuitive mind reading thing. A sixth sense if you will, they (Enel and Asia) hear it in their head in a way that doesn't seem like some type of super hearing. They'd be in pain from all the screams if true.
To support this, the priests in the Jaya flashback seemed to be hearing voices in their head as well.
@Zik:
Also at one point doesn't it (Enel in fact) say that Enel's DF amplified his mantra and that's why he had the greatest range of it able to sense all the ppl on Skypeia? or was that fan motivated and it's not true?
It was true. I looked it up the other day. I will try to find it again. Found.
@Zik:
I don't get the 2nd point in regards to "not mentally controlled actions." How does that relate to the feelings? and when they predict someone's attacks isn't that detecting a mentally controlled action?
Typo and wrong "point". I moved it to the fourth one: Can predict someones movements, but not non-mentally controlled actions. This somewhat disproves the "hearing muscle movements" kind of, doesn't it?
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As for the 3rd point I don't think anyone died but she was able to tell when people became unconscious. Same with Enel counting down the amount of people left in his little game.
Well yeah. "One Piece Death". I didn't mean "life" in a literal sense, but I suppose I implied it and said she heard people die. Oh well, you get the point.
@Zik:
When I think about it now mantra sounds more like what Rayleigh was talking about in regards to the late PK. You could argue both Aisa & Enel can hear the voice of all things, just that they didn't demonstrate hearing the language of the poneglyphs (since neither was near them) but then again how Roger was able to hear the voice of a poneglyph and/or translate is unknown and sounds complicated and is imo from what little we know.
Agreed. On all of that.
@Zik:
About what Gan Fall says that sounds more related to reading a person's movements though, not saying it is the opposite of what mantra users have shown us but it seems to lean more on that side. It might as well be mind reading though. Since they know the move the moment an opponent thinks about it and can usually react before the opponent can execute said move.
Yeah, but I simply meant to point out that Gan Fall didn't know everything, and what he did know was only a theory on how they can predict movement and such. But yeah, might as well be.
@Zik:
Hell haki and mantra could be one in the same and some of the sky natives only knew how to do one type of it.
That's more or less what I am figuring at this moment in time. Here's to the next few chapters shedding some light on this.[/hide]
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Haki is using your strength of presence to over-power people. There is no relation between the two
uh…..did you read 519? Did you somehow glaze over the part where she 'predicted' Luffy's movements?
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yo any of you know the episode when luffy and the others get their flag solen are those episodes fillers or real
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They're filler episodes.
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I read Japanese, I KNOW what It means.
I'm simply saying that Bad Scanlations like these only serve to Confuse people.
Just LOOK, we already have people thinking Luffy is some kind of "Chosen one" even though It's only "His Ambition is the Color of a King's"I agree bad scanlations confuse people
Like somebody already replied that do a scanlation yourself i will rather say if you can translate why dont you start posting translations? Didnt you say you read japanese? Or why dont you help or work for them. Doesnt Franky House usually provide the usable japanese raws (for scanlations) everyone uses nowadays? They obviously dont have a permanent translator since they usually use cnet's translations (a freelancer. he is the best one out there now and usually the only one and has been doing OP transes for over a year now on Mangahelpers).
One Piece needs more translators