Posts made by TheSonofBattles
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RE: Chapter 446 "Doctor Hogback" Discussion
Why looks Hogback so extremly nervous when Usopp mentions Brooke? (huh, he looks a bit angry too…)
Because he presumably has Brooke now captured, and confined to his lab. Along with Brooke's shadow. I'd guess Nami will lead her team to break into his lab now that she's so suspicious of him, and Luffy and co. will be making a nice distracton, and they'll break both out, allowing him to fight and join the crew.
Also, to continue the Nightmare Before Christmas theme, Brooke's shadow will have been altered to somewhat resemble Zero, and will now be part of his fighting style. And a good pet for the crew
Why does the invisible person says "You are our new bride!"(?) to Nami…?
Cause he likes to force weak women to marry him I suppose.
And another one… when the invisible person grabbed her, it doesn't look like she is grabbed by hands... the marks on her arms are too small. Maybe ropes?
Claws? Small hands? Ectoplasm?
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RE: Chapter 446 "Doctor Hogback" Discussion
Hmm, looks like Usopp and Sogeking are going to be treated like different people with different movielists after all. Usopp still hasn't brought out Kabuto.
Or perphaps it's just that Kabuto would be used to make bigger, more powerful moves. Moves which would be dangerous indoors, and which are more explosive than he feels is nessecary at the moment.
Plus, it's bigger and most likely bulkier, so his gaddy would be easier to bring out for a quick shot or two. Kabuto would need a few seconds to pull out of his bag, extend and set up etc.
You know, what if Chopper ends up fighting Dr. Hogback?
Not unless we find Hogback is actually working for someone else who we've yet to meet. More likely if he says something to upset Chopper, Luffy will stand up to him, inspire him to refute Hogback, then Luffy will go kick his ass, and Chopper will find the courage to rage on whoever he fights in the end.
Realistically though, it'd be like saying Nami could have fought Arlong since their pasts are so intimately entwined, that Sanji should have fought Don Kreig since he was threatening Sanji's home etc.
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RE: Chapter 446 "Doctor Hogback" Discussion
We all know that Luffy will without doubt fight the main villain. Maybe we will have a new twist where the main villain relies on something else to fight, rather than using his own powers to fight.
I don't see why so many people are convinced/concerned Hogback is to weird to fight Luffy head on. I mean, he's a doctor like Chopper, who's to say he doesn't know Life Return, or something similiar to it. Not to mention he has fairly obvious fangs, which would indicate some classic vampire style powers, several of which would be useful in a fight - metamorphosis, high strength, flight etc.
Oh, and that stitching around his face, lord knows what that indicates, but I'd say he's more than capable in a fight. Honestly, who would have thought someone like Wapol would be able to go toe to toe with Luffy…at least for a while? Yet he did, and entertainly so.
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RE: Chapter 446 "Doctor Hogback" Discussion
Is Usopp's helm in the color spread based on, or the same as Dorry or Broggys? It certainly reminds me of them. And I think it's a rifle or cannon Franky's wearing on his back, not a bazooka, hence the gunbelt. Didn't one of the shipwrights from Galley-La wear the same get up? Tilestone or one of them.
Also, since someone already mentioned this, the way I see the fights matching up at the moment are:
Luffy v Hogback - This one's a lock from the get go.
Zoro v ???
Sanji V Invisible Man - He likes to prey on weak women, and molest them, you'd better believe Sanji wants to trounce his ass. He can probably use his cigarettes to "smoke" him out. Or possibly smoke from his fiery leg move, if it can produce it.
Usopp v Hildon - He's a vampire, Usopp's wearing vampire hunting gear. He flies, Usopp's the only one who could really hit him.
Nami v ???
Chopper v Kerebros - Both beasts. And Chopper needs to over come his fear of him as well I suppose. Even though Nami and Usopp were afraid of him too.
Robin v Cindry - She just looks like a brawler, who has a plate destroying fetish - thus Robin is more suited to fight her out of the two women on the crew.
Franky v ???
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RE: Chapter 442 "Adventure in the Devil's Sea" Discussion
@Jedi:
My idea is the best idea (the one in page 6) because that is what he really is (I dont know why would he stay in the triangle, but I guess its quite scary, since probably theres some kind of island with some secret of his on it)
There is a reason your post on page 6 was ignored, your idea is as retarded as the Brook equals Lafitte one, and far from the best.
Just so you know.
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RE: Chapter 434 "White Beard and Red Hair" Discussion
Shanks looked more threatening than Whitebeard to me, Whitebeard had more of a "You will be scared of me face" to Shanks' "I'm bloody angry!" face.
Anywayys, can we assume now that we have 2 translations with neither mentioning relative strength levels (of any characters), that that was speculation or mistranslation?
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RE: Chapter 434 "White Beard and Red Hair" Discussion
Thanks Huron and the various hosters.
I really love the design on the front of the Whitebeards ship, the big whale's head smiliing away. It's awesome, and I hope the new Strawhat ship has something even half as nice. Shanks strength is also shown off when he flicks that huge dish into the air, catches it and calmly sips it, but yea, him holding off Whitebeards Glaive/Naginata/Halberd thingy is also a massive show of strength.
I'm still disappointed by Shanks receiving his scar from Blackbeard and not Buggy, but at the same time interested to see where this will go.
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RE: Zoro's sword related thread (SPOILER)
@Fire Fist:
Other than the tusks, nothing looks really "Elephanty" about that sword.
Then you're blind.
That, or you're looking for something that screams elephant and is out of place. The rest of it isn't out of place, its taking something else's place.
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RE: Zoro's sword related thread (SPOILER)
@Fire Fist:
When in the sword form, all that's elephant-looking is the tusks. Perhaps that's a decoration that Spandam put on the sword. Or perhaps that's how it looks in its natural state.
The handgaurd on him is made up of 4 small, and definately elephantine legs, and there's a tail hanging of the end of the grip or whatever its called.
Not to mention the pattern on the handle, which is also part of Funkfried's elephant form. Its the stuff running from his head along his back.
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RE: Chapter 427 "It's not like it's Hell Here" Discussion
"stupidity" and "simpleness" are the same thing using different language
I disagree. The wheel is a very simple invention. Doesn't take anything away from its ingenuity.
they only seem different becase of the connotations attatched to them. Rats are stupid. They are also simple.
So because some stupid things are also simple, everything simple is stupid?
Luffy is a complete and total idiot, childish be darned, and he's also completely helpless in everything except fighting (as said in Arlong Park).
He's also smart with people, in his simple way. As shown by his interactions with Vivi in the desert amongst others.
And he's not helpless at anything except fighting. He's useless at a lot of stuff, but even helpless as he was at the start of the story he's managed to use his streghts to go out to sea and not drown or be killed outright despite his lack of knowledge of all things marine.
Intelligence doesn't nessecairily come only in the form of knowledge and observation is my point. Someone can have a low IQ and miss stuff thats right in front of their face, and most shonen stars do, this doesn't mean they are stupid.
And likely we won't know, but by looking at Croc's physical features and listening to his description of having to "struggle in building/funding up Baroque Works", not to mention the Cover Story of Croc in Roger's outfit, we can conclude he was once a very ambitous pirate and somewhere along the line lost his original zeal.
Right, cause we all know building up a globe spanning, underground organisation of pirates, mercaneries and all round bad guys bent on world domination while keeping your true purpose secret to one and all is usually an easy thing. Croc was the one villian doing it who had it hard.
As for the physical scars. Wow, we know he faught a lot. Mindblowing. I'm sure we can't say that about a lot of the other villians :wassat:
That's more than we know of Ener and Lucci to say the least.
Not really. Since pretty much all of what you said is conjecture, and very loose conjecture at that.
No. See the above; Lucci was like that from the start. Additionally, Croc's design is that of an older Luffy; the skinny-ish limbs, angled nose, scar, eyes, hair, and even shirt are all reflective of an older Luffy. Croc also does the very things Luffy never would; he smokes, drinks, and betrays his comerades.
All of this is a whole lot of nothing. You're comparing the wrong aspects of Lucchi. I'm not saying he started out idealistic and wanting to be Pirate King.
I'm saying he has the same level of physical skill and strenght, the same determination to walk the earth if nessecary in pursuit of a goal, something that was specifically stated several times in the manga in fact. And something we have proof of in how long he stayed in Water 7. That side of Lucchi is whats comparable to Luffy.
Croc is like an older, more sinister version of him mentally. Lucchi is like him in much more primal, physical way.
Again, see above. While characters might have simmilarities, none are as so clear as Croc in his "divergence of dreams" conflict.
Thats nice, but I was never talking about "Divergance of Dreams".
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RE: Chapter 427 "It's not like it's Hell Here" Discussion
Monkey D. Luffy himself is proof that even an idiot can come up with creative applications.
You're confusing stupidity and simpleness.
Luffy isn't an idiot, he just has a much simpler outlook on life and is more trusting. The series has several times shown that he can be quite ingenious, as you said yourself.
Yea, he doesn't realize Sogeking is Usopp, but he never takes the time to question the truth of the matter, to actually think about it, he uses that time and brain process' for other things. He takes everything at face value until he's given a reason not to and concentrates on other things.
The hand metaphor was to show that Croc's been screwed all his life and that even with trashy cards, he managed to accomplish incredible feats like build BW, become a Shichibukai, almost attain a kingship, ect.
The hand metaphor fails for multiple reasons, primary amongst them is the fact that we really know nowhere near enough about either's past to make the call that while Lucchi had an easy time of it, Crocodile always struggled and still attained more etc.
If it wasn't clear to you lot, Croc is Oda's interpretation of Luffy had Luffy's life taken a different path not guided by Shanks; he'd still have his idealism, but along the way he'd lose faith and turn into a cynical/sadistic fiend he is today.
Actually, if it wasn't clear to you, you could say the exact same thing about Lucci. He has the same sense of determination and physical prowess, he's just become a lot more twisted and uses them for differant aspirations.
I'm pretty sure you could say the same of a lot of the series' antagonists though, that they are just reflections of various parts of the people they're fighting.
Not that I nessacairily disagree with you by the way, I just think you're wrong on those particular points.
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RE: Zoro's sword related thread (SPOILER)
Because Funkfried is a sword, not an elephant. The Hilt and Blade is his real body, and the elephant is the fruit. An elephant is a lot bigger than a sword, so when he changes, his whole body gets bigger, and stuff, so even in half-form, his blade becomes like a long trunk.
Thats…not really the part I was having trouble with.
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RE: Chapter 427 "It's not like it's Hell Here" Discussion
You read the essays, and admit the better writer, or if they are both outstanding, you admit both.
Or hold an interview and see who you like better.
Flip a coin.
Checking past scores to see who's better on a continuous basis, rather than that once off.
Trial by the sword.
Checking who scores better in subjects and area's relevant to the course.
Bikini contest.
There are many, many ways you could do it really. Though admittedly some are more fun than others.
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RE: Zoro's sword related thread (SPOILER)
This happened on the bridge just before Franky used Funkfried to KO Spandam. Funkfried was in sword-elephant form with the trunk as a sword, then Franky threatened Funkfried to change his trunk back to normal "or else."
See, now this bit is important. And I wondered why I didn't recognize it. I only realized when I went to search for it, and found it, that I'd only read the spoilers for that week, and never the actual chapter trans/scans/raws
Right, that whole chapter kinda shits all over my theory, since the way Funkfried is being used is the same in this, as it is in the earlier instance I mentioned.
Now, there's still a bit of an inconsistancy here to my mind. Normal Zoans, as you say have their 3 regular forms. Full original, full new, and half way house. Funkfrieds form being used in these 2 instances is, according to you the half way part.
BUT I'd figured for a good while the form we normally saw, the sheathed form, was the half way one, because it looks like a sword, but has got several very definate elephantine (is that a word?) features. Such as the tusks, tail, feet forming the hand gaurd etc.
Now, the last time I brought this up, someone, I can't remember who pointed out that Chopper did keep the human capability to speak in even his full reindeer form, but thats not nessecairily a physical characteristic carried over, but simply a contrivance for story purposes or whatever.
So yea, I'm kinda torn now, because Funkfried still seems to be partially differant in how his powers manifest, but it could simply be story convenience being the reason in this case again, or something.
Oh well, time will tell I suppose.
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RE: Zoro's sword related thread (SPOILER)
About Funkfried extending his trunk, I assume you're talking about in the stairwell when Spandam unleashed Funkfried upon Robin when she tried to escape.
Yes.
Did you even stop to think that this might have just been the "in between" phase where Funkfried was morphing between the sword form and elephant form?
Yes. And I don't think it is.
Looking at the panel from Spandams point of view we can see the blade part of Funkfried has changed to an elephant, but the handle remains exactly the same. And has to stay the same for at least several seconds.
Using Chopper as an template, as you did, his transformations are always instantaneous. Why would a Zoan transformation start at the head and move down along the body? Why would it be a gradual change rather than an instantaneous, all over body change?
And especially why would it be in that one case, where every other case we've ever seen contradicts it? Well, okay, that last one is probably circular and/or fallicious thinking, but you get the point.
So, this is either partial proof that Funkfried isn't constrained by normal DF Zoan laws, a bit of an error on Oda's part, or Zoan transformations work completely differantly to what we're normally shown, and the instantaneous transformations normally showcased are a conscious thing and only Spandam has used it up till now for strategic purposes.
Its not full blown proof that that Funkfried broke that DF law, but I'd still certainly lean much further toward this being the case than it just once of fbeing a completely differant style of transformation.
We've seen that the sword-elephant form is when Funkfried has his trunk changed into a sword. Some other parts may have changed into blades, but it wasn't shown so I can't say for sure. In any case, it can't be said for certain that any DF laws have been broken.
When did Funkfried change his trunk into a sword out of interest? I'm looking for that, since I don't remember it off the top of my head. I only remember him as an elephant, as the normal looking sword, and the weird half way house one I'm prattling on about.
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RE: Zoro's sword related thread (SPOILER)
Let's have a refresher lesson on Zoan type DFs.
Yes, lets.
Interesting thing: All Zoan types, both human, animal and inamanimate shown up to Funkfried had 3 specific, static forms. Chopper doesn't count here because he uses outside interferance to break this limitation.
Funkfried however doesn't have this limitation. While in sword, or possibly sword/elephant form, he morphed and extended his trunk/blade, and this one part of his body alone to hit Robin.
According to everything we knew about Zoans up till now, that should have been impossible barring outside interferance a la Rumble Balls, and even they change the whole body at once. But Spandam was never shown to use anything to allow this to happen.
So…in conclusion: Funkfried has already broken one known limitation. Placing all other limitations on him and saying they are definate is pretty much a fools game now.
He may not break any others, but there's nothing to say he won't either.
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RE: Sanji's dream
I set Franky aside because he was not just part of the Franky Family, or just friends with them as was the case with every other members past connections, he was their leader, and it was a job as well a familial thing. Though admittedly the job part was far secondary.
I agree that its likely that he'd stay, but his bond always came across as so much closer, or at least harder to walk away from than any of the others have.
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RE: Sanji's dream
Pretty much every crew member has a reason to stay on the boat even if/when they achieve their dreams if you think about it. And I mean aside from because they want to help their friends to achieve their dreams and because they want to see the world and what not.
Luffy: Wants to continue having adverntures, defend his title as Pirate King, meet new friends.
Zoro: Wants to defend his title and continue to grow in strength and finesse as a swordsman. And with the world as it currently is, being a pirate is the best way to do this, and if he's going to be a pirate, he may as well be one with friends.
Nami: More adventures means more money, and more chance to refine her map(s).
Usopp: When he manages to prove to himself that he's brave and strong, would he want to go back to Kaya, or to his father, or would he want to use that strength and bravery to help his friends?
I know which I think is more likely.
Sanji: Like I said, he'd want to continue adventuring so he can learn more recipes and styles of cooking, as he did in Skypiea so as to become a better chef.
Chopper: Search the world with his friends to see if there any diseases he personally has never heard of to find a cure for.
Robin: She said it herself, the crew are basically her only real purpose in life at this point, and while she does have a dream now because of them, she has shown that it's less important than her crewmates through her actions at Water 7.
Franky: IF he were to join, and subsequently achieve his dream, it'd mean he's already reached Raftel at least with them. After that, he could stay with them to continue improving the ship maybe. But he at least has a good reason to leave them, what with the Franky Family, so he's the only one I'm really unsure of.
I've always thought that argument that such and such can't happen because if it did [insert name here] would achieve their dream. And if that happens they would of course immediately walk off the ship and abandon their friends was slightly retarded for the above reasons and more to be honest.
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RE: Sanji's dream
Yeah, but then Sanji wouldn't have a reason to travel with them anymore.
You mean besides protecting his friends, helping them achieve their dreams, traveling the world and learning the recipes of differant cultures and islands etc. that he otherwise would have no chance of exposure to. For example, Skypeia's cuisine.
Wasn't that one of the reasons Zeff gave him as a reason to leave his side? That without exploring the world, and gathering personal experience etc. he'd never be a great chef?
Besides, it'd be slightly crap if every crew members dream was achieved in one arc.
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RE: The Assimilation Theory
Fair enough, I was wrong. I misunderstood logic. Though like you say logic may be infallible, but the way people use it certainly is - and theres no real way to prove or disprove if they're right in a lot of cases. So that doesn't disprove my original point regarding logic in this case though since (a) how can he prove his use of it is true and (b) its a fictional world and reality has no bearing on the matter?
As for the rest: I'll say it again - I'm not saying the fighting isn't important, I'm not saying the techniques they pick up and/or learn aren't important or that they're of no use or are never essential - I'm saying the non fight stuff seems to be more important for getting around the natural barriers in the way of Raftel. Something that was part of the original post.
Now seeing as how I seem to be the only one who actually believes this, and no one else even seems to want to acknowledge this, nevermind discuss it I guess I'll have to drop it.
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RE: The Assimilation Theory
Actually, logic is always correct, though I think it's a dull system. You can feel free to feel clever in believing that logic can create false conclusions, though.
I will. Thanks.
My simple proof of this is that religious people use logic to say and/or prove God exists - and others use it to do exactly the opposite. Both of them can't be right - therefor logic can't be infallible.
Believing this doesn't make me feel superior by the way, I was just stating my opinion on logic - especially logic in a fictional world.
I wonder if Roger had the same kinds of bonds that Luffy did, if he didn't, then the score would be against the strawhats with regards of the types of people who made it to Raftel.
The show certainly points toward him being as strong and easy a friend as Luffy, what with what people from Drum (Dr. Kureha), Skypiea (Sky Knight), the guy with Laboon. They all only spent small periods of time in his company but remember him well, and remember him fondly - same as people do with Luffy.
Would you mind recapping just how he picked them up? Should Luffy have lost to arlong, to Krieg, to Crocodile, to Wapol, exactly how would he have any of them?
Luffy helped each crew member out of a bind, a bind which involved fighting - but simply beating the opponent was never enough to convince them to join him in and of itself. His personality, and the simple willingness to help out others - especially those like him amongst other things played as much of a part as fisticuffs in convincing any and all crew members to join him.
If Luffy hadn't shown Chopper that just because he thought he was monstrous didn't mean that he didn't consider him cool, that he didn't consider him an individual and a friend Chopper wouldn't have joined. This can be applied to most of the crew in some manner.
they are pivotal plot maneuvers and generally stimulate just as much emotion as Robin crying or whatever (like when Luffy finally defeats Crocodile).
Never said they didn't.
By the way, since I'm feeling nice, I'll spell it out for you.
Condescension - on the internets? :wassat:
**@theinvisibleworm:
The fight with Aokiji was a blatant demonstration of the fact that Luffy's love for his Nakama is not nearly enough to get him through the grand line.**
And I'll spell it out for you.I'M. NOT. ARGUING. THAT.
I'm saying that the techniques they learn along the way from and for fighting mainly only help in fighting the people that are getting in their way - not in getting around the natural obstacles to Raftel itself. Which was part of the OP's point.
And is what I'm trying to talk about.
Okay?
And yes, just so ye know, I am actually frothing at the mouth, and I think its going to damage my keyboard - so feel free to tell me to calm down because any conflict on the internet obviously involves the other party being a raving lunatic with anger management issues.
If Zoro had not cut the sea train in half, the strawhats would be drifting at sea. If Zoro hadn't cut through the doors in the tower of justice, they'd be stuck there (though in that specific case, Luffy probably could have used gear 3.
Just so you know, thats another example of them fighting people who are getting in their way, not using said techniques to get around the barriers to Raftel - which is what I'm trying to talk about - but no one else seems to care about that part of the original post for some reason.
I don't understand why people fail to understand the rather simple concept of the strawhats using their experience to their own advantage, saving themselves where they otherwise couldn't.
And I rather fail to understand how no one else is able to understand my also rather simple point - but the world is like that - what with everyone being differant and all.
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RE: The Assimilation Theory
If the strawhats hadn't improved throughout the series, they'd be shit out of luck right now. I think that your argument is rather incorrect, thesonofbattles.
When did I ever say they were never nessecary? I said the other stuff was more important within the context of the story, and that they were nessecary more often.
Luffy would have been pretty fucked if he never picked up a decent navigator/cook/doctor/etc.
The crew would have had a much harder time of it if they hadn't got the Going Merry.
Imagine their travels minus Robin, minus dials, minus more ethereal things like the bonds they have now.
I'm not denying that the techniques they learn are important, I'm saying the other stuff is MORE important - both from their point of view, and as steps towards reaching Raftel. After all, Shanks, Whitebeard, Jinbei et al all have strong crew members with fantastic techniques and how many of them have reached Raftel?
Response…drumroll...ZERO!
Ugh, before someone comes in nattering about how that argument works both ways, and crews like Shanks, Whitebeard et al also have great material wealth, and bonds etc. and they still haven't reached Raftel using them either I suppose I'd better head it off.
Robin is the best case in point here. Knowledge of the ancient language was more rife in Rogers time, and he obviously had at least one crew member who could understand it. He also believed in, and reached Skypiea, two things we know only Luffy's crew since has achieved. And in the case of the ancient language, something which the manga hints heavily is nessecary to reach, or at the very least make use of One Piece and Raftel.
Logic dictates that their newfound abilities will come in very handy later on in the series, not that they will just help with fights.
Logic dictates a lot of weird shit that simply isn't true, just so you know.
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RE: The Assimilation Theory
But I'm not going to keep arguing and drawing the thread further off course.
No offense intend…actually who am I kidding, all offense intended, but if you didn't want to drag it off topic, you did a bang up job by coming in and doing nothing but bitching at me, the only person to actually contribute to the theory so far.
A theory I agree with, and have mulled for some time myself. A theory that is quite honestly pretty much obvious, but makes for an interesting on going discussion because we're always learning more about the world of One Piece, the perils of the Grand Line and such.
I agree that the techniques they learn in fights over time will help them, but only because people will continue to block their way, not because of any of the natural barriers to Raftel and the Grand Line that, if I remember correctly, someone mentioned in Water 7. Someone said the Going Merry wouldn't be able to go much further anyways, the seas would be to rough for a ship like it or something along those lines.
Add in the fact that all signs point to needing knowledge of the Poneglyph and its language to get to Raftel, and theres only further support for my stance on this theory.
These are the important ones I feel are worth discussing, so I brought them up, and continue to defend my position on.
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RE: The Assimilation Theory
The thing is, we're not talking about those things right now. The OP is talking about the fighting techniques they pick up, not about the good times the strawhats have.
Exhibit (A)
@sabret00the:ok small theory, not enough research gone into it, to really get you all gawping yet, but i thought i'd present the basis of what it is.
The latter stages of the grandline are one's where without experience you can't have anything
That is in fact my only exhibit, but its really the only one thats nessecary. The OP mentions to get through the latter part of the Grand line you need certain things, and I'm saying that while the fights are certainly important, and the point from a readership point of view, the techniques they pick up so far haven't helped them greatly outside fights, whereas the personnel, equipment and experiences they've picked up along the way have, and will continue to do so in the future.
Man thats one long run on sentence.
Anyways yea, even if I'm wrong, and I don't think I am, I don't see how thats (a) getting high and mighty or (b) how I'm dragging the thread off-topic because I'm still discussing the Strawhat Crew's assimilation, just a differant assimilation than the specific set the OP mentions.
Edit: For secondary evidence:
@sabret00the:I also feel that you need to make findings about various islands in order to get to Raftel and that's why Shanks has been adventuring so long and that's why Whitebeard is stuck where he is. but with all that said and done let's continue this theory.
See, right there, the OP mentions that the fights and related techniques aren't the whole point of his thread, and that he hasn't fully fleshed out his theory. So I'm not off-track, and while I was an ass in my second reply, and continue to be one, I wasn't in my first.
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RE: The Assimilation Theory
Much of One Piece is about fighting, so this is legitimate thing to discuss. Don't try to shoot it down by getting high and mighty.
I'm not trying to shoot it down, or get high or mighty - I'm simply stating something - which is the fights may be the point of the story from the readers point of view, but that its not from an internal character view (excluding Zoro, and thats not his only purpose in life anymore either).
From that view its the adventure and fun that is the point - Luffy has stated this himself, not the fighting - and in this case thats the point of view thats important.
I'm not poo-poo'ing his theory, I'm just saying he's going in the right direction, but needs adjustment if you will.
Now if you perceive that to be getting "high and mighty" I think it speaks only to your own problems -and you can quite frankly go fuck yourself.
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RE: The Assimilation Theory
The ability to fight, and more importantly to fight well only allows them to defeat the people that are getting in the way of their quest to reach Raftel so far, not actually helping them bypass natural obstacles or anything - their determination and friendship is what allows that.
If they're collecting anything that would allow them to reach Raftel, its friends, experiences, and material goods like a better ship - not new fighting techniques.
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RE: Chapter 422 "Rob Lucci" Discussion
Even if Luffy could use geppou, which there is no hint towards, I doubt he could pull it off while using gear 3. A huge, cumbersome body doesn't bode well to aerodynamics.
Not saying you're wrong or anything, but what hints were there towards Luffy learning Soru out of interest?
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RE: Chapter 415 "Heat Increase" Discussion
He could dry hump Sanji's leg instead if that'd make you feel better?
Besides, if he pissed on it, it'd at least put the fire on it out, and put Sanji back a bit more toward his level :ohmy:
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RE: The New Ship
I reckon same as Gol D. Rogers ship the "Ororo Jackson", it'll have a human sounding name. Probably something with Tom in it. Or as an outside chance with Don in it.
Thats assuming it's built by Franky or Iceburg. Which is almost a dead certainty at this stage.
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RE: M-M-M-Monster Choppa Discussion
Chopper Theory
I like. Best way I've seen it explained yet.
We never did see his first time transformation though. Which in itself could be ammo for the theory that its differant each time. But if it just combined differant aspects to make the strongest of each as you say, then it'd be the same every time no?
Or do you mean that it makes the strongest possible form by combining the strengths of a limited number of forms?
Oh, one question: Chopper can speak… human? english? common? Because of his fruit right? Can other zoans speak... animal?
Maybe he picked up english by hanging around settlements and attempting it on his own. I can't remember if it showed him knowing it instinctively, or if he only had the potential and learned it on his own.
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RE: Spandam and his reactions(Careful, may contain spoilers)
Yea, but that was why I included this:
He's not going to have to apply for anything higher, he'll either be given it, or more likely, using Pluton, he'll take it.
His ambition is for power by the looks of it. And with Pluton or any other ancient weapon he'd be able to take it by force and hold it by force regardless of what other people think of him. Take away not only his means of achieving that, but the time and places to achieve it from, and he'll literaly have nothing left.
That will hurt him.
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RE: M-M-M-Monster Choppa Discussion
Yea, thats true as well, I guess its just down to picking up the way it was said differantly due to mentality. Both possibilities seem quite likely now that you point it out.
I'm still interested to see what others have to say or suggest on the matter of course.
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RE: M-M-M-Monster Choppa Discussion
Chopper = Obelix, eh? :ohmy:
The secret is out.
Anyways yea, that sounds entirely plausible as well. However, your point that Chopper hasn't found a solution yet doesn't sound entirely right to me. You say he's been looking for years, but I don't think he has. I think once he discovered what happened, and Dr. Kureha warned him about it, he just left well enough alone till he fought Kumadori because (a) he was scared of it, (b) Dr. Kureha could be hurt by it, not to mention everyone else on the island and there was no need to follow up on it till now.
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RE: Spandam and his reactions(Careful, may contain spoilers)
I think King Smack is either taking or talking smack to rile up others
As for Changsho, as fantastic as that drawing is, I hope he doesn't have the Sogeking mask on when he does it.
And finally for Bounty1Berry: if he doesn't want to move on from CP9, then why always bang on about his ambitions and dreams?
Besides, you keep saying he can't exactly apply for another job using CP9 as a referance. Why the fuck not? Its not like the higher ups in the World Goverment, the people who'd be promoting him for good service, or who he'd be pressuring to promote him to something more powerful don't know about it.
He's not going to have to apply for anything higher, he'll either be given it, or more likely, using Pluton, he'll take it.
Put him in jail, take away his access to the Buster Call, to agents like CP9, and weapons like Funkfried, as well as make him an outlaw and you take away his chance at making that dream of power and domination come true.
He'll have no chance at his dreams, everything he had will be gone, and he'll be languishing eternally in jail with no way out.
I think that might just sting him a bit personally.
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RE: M-M-M-Monster Choppa Discussion
So a thread I started to stop a diversion from completely offrailing another thread goes completely off the rails itself clap clap clap clap
I don't know if thats irony or just plain idiocy.
But anyways, I agree, Luffy feels pain even from blunt force attacks, regardless of whether or not they break him. And that this seems implicit through the entire run of the manga.
There's not much to base it on, and I'm not going to argue it in a thread about something completely differant, but I disagree with Buccaneer and he disagree's with everyone else. Thats enough. Its over, for here at least.
Regards Chopper, I suggested earlier that he'd research and concoct a new type of Rumble Ball before the next arc that would allow at least marginal control over his Monster Point, but does anyone else have any idea's as to how he's going to learn to live with it, and more importantly fight with it?
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RE: Ideas for Superhuman Abilities
Did you bother to read my post? No, you did, that much is obvious. But comprehension is just as important as reading, and you did precious little of that by the looks of things.
I know what his aim is like. Hence I said "TECHNOLOGY. AUGMENTATING." to a false degree.
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RE: M-M-M-Monster Choppa Discussion
A good example would be of a "job" would be…
Sanji vs Blueno
Sanji honestly could've easily pulverized him... but he didn't.Actually, it may have seemed like a job at the time, but it makes sense looking back on it.
Sanji like everyone else when they initially fought the CP9 was held back due to conflicting emotions regarding Robin, and why she wouldn't believe in them etc.
Due to this, he wasn't going all out against Blueno from the get go, and subsequently never got a chance to do something like his fire leg.
Yea, he could beat Blueno now, but he couldn't then for good storyline reasons.
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RE: M-M-M-Monster Choppa Discussion
I would imagine they were referring to Kumadori.
Well, I wouldn't call Kumadori a coward either.
Even seeing the size and strength of Monster Point, he tried both attacking and defending against it.
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RE: Chapter 415 "Heat Increase" Discussion
That last part is good speculation. Unless I am mistaken, when Leopard-Lucci first showed up, he established Tekkai while in animal mode.Though it was never broken after that, we don't know whether or not he would be able to re-establish it while in animal mode, so you may have a point. We'll just have to wait and see.
Not really.
If this was true, then they'd have to say they were undoing their Tekkai any time they wanted to move no?
And Jyabura certainly wouldn't be the only one to have made such a concentrated effort to master it so he could move while doing Tekkai.
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RE: Ideas for Superhuman Abilities
I know this is way to early to say but…Van Auger's aim maybe?
I'm pretty sure thats just technology augmenting aim on a par with Usopp to make it look far more than it is.
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RE: M-M-M-Monster Choppa Discussion
I'm curious about how Chopper will change after this arc. Will the crew keep this form a secret, or will Chopper find out, and how will he react?
Yea, I'm really looking forward to the post Enies Lobby, lazy days sailing to see how Chopper, and the rest of the crew goes about dealing with this.
Will they have him taking lots of rumble balls and trying to find a way to control it, or will they encourage him to make a new type of rumble ball?
That to me seems the most obvious route, a new type of rumble ball that lets him control Monster Point, and maybe lets him stay in each differant point for a longer period.
I'm not sure how you mean "keep it a secret" though. While Chopper might not know what it looks like, or what exactly it can do, he certainly knows about the form already, and that it can be extremely dangerous and destructive.
However, I have this feeling that…by the end of the series Monster Chopper will job for some other powerful character in the series...like Whitebeard or something.
Huh?
Whats job mean?
As in work for someone else, and leave the Strawhats? :wacko:
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RE: Chapter 415 "Heat Increase" Discussion
@Kurairu:
PM them to me when you're feeling less lazy, I'm curious to see what I slipped up on ^^
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M-M-M-Monster Choppa Discussion
Seeing as how we were dragging another topic right out of its course, and it was ongoing I might as well start a new topic for it here.
So, pulling the last post in, lets begin:
@Kurairu:
The hair-guy(shut up, I'm bad with names) was freaking out because he's a coward
Franky is the only person I can think of to match this, and he's certainly no coward.
@Kurairu:
but Luffy woul see the hat and know it was chopper. Plus, when was the last time Luffy was scared to the point of affecting his fighting?(save that one time)
When was he ever affected?
@Kurairu:
Chopper is amazingly powerful on the other hand. Meaning that if Luffy messed up EVEN ONCE, he'd probably be down and out.
This is one of the points I disagreed with you on.
I don't think there's anyone anywhere in the world strong enough to put Luffy down in one hit. The same holds true for Monster Chopper I'd imagine.
@Kurairu:
And granted, Chopper could probably take anywhere from 1 to 3 gears (1), and probably 2 gear (2)'s.
I'm confused as to what you mean here. Whats the numbers in the brackets mean, how many attacks he could take from each gear maybe?
If so, then you have to take into account what attack he's using as well as the gear.
@Kurairu:
Chopper's power and defense are two advantages for him.
Here's another contentious point to me. We've yet to really see anything that could indicate how good Monster Point is defensively. We do know he's pretty fast as he intercepted Kumadori easily, we just don't know how much he could take.
@Kurairu:
But the clincher is that Luffy has gear 3, which we all know, compresses his body so that his hits are more dense, and thusly harder, striking with more power and causing more damage. Chopper would be easily taken down by a well timed Gear 3. Granted, it would have to be at a convienient time, so Luffy would have to toy with Chopper, dodging his attacks until he saw a good opening.
And this plays into the above disagreement as well. Monster Point probably could take several hits from even a Gear 3 Luffy. It certainly looks like it could to me, but we don't really know, and have no way of knowing at the moment.
Now, I realize there's no huge divergence of opinion there or anything, but Monster Chopper is an interesting guy, so the topic could make for some fun discussion, regardless of how boring its start is.
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RE: Chapter 415 "Heat Increase" Discussion
I disagree with you on a couple of points, but I'm lazy and this is the wrong thread.
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RE: Chapter 415 "Heat Increase" Discussion
yes. true. maybe not a landslide, i was prolly exagerating, but it's not like luffy would be on the ground coughing up organs.
Well of course.
Its Shonen after all. The main character is always the best, and will in the end, always win. Chopper would give him a good run for his money though in a fully cognisant Monster Point.
Maybe nearly as much of a run as Zoro or Sanji would.
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RE: Chapter 415 "Heat Increase" Discussion
Well, thats the thing, we can't judge at the moment.
We have yet to actually SEE Gear 3 Luffy, and while we've seen an act of strength that both have performed, they're so differant that they're incomparable at the end of the day.
It just appears that they're at least closely matched in terms of pure physical strength to my mind. And to me, it would also make sense that they would be due to reasons already stated here, like Zoans being bigger/stronger generally, and getting more so in set forms by training and such.
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@onemoment:But, we can't really tell based on what we've seen. Both gear 2 Luffy and Monster Chopper tore apart and beat down two similar CP9 agents easily.
But this is what I mean. Take a look at just how each of them did it respectively.
Luffy, even in Gear 2 (though we can't judge his Gear 3 on this obviously) used a lot of technique, and special moves to take down Blueno quickly.
Monster Chopper just sat on Kumadori and punched him. No special moves, no real apparent effort behind them. Just a simple, lazy punch. And Kumadori was out like a light.
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RE: Chapter 415 "Heat Increase" Discussion
I never said Monster Chopper was the best, only that he was as physically strong as Luffy appears to be in Gear 3.
Nothing else.
Just pure physical strength.
I agree half the crew could take him down as he is now because all he is is a mindless beast with a whole hell of a lot of brawn. Luffy, Sanji, and Zoro could definately take him down.
Possibly Nami and Usopp could as well.
Hell Gear 1 Luffy could probably beat him down.
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RE: Chapter 415 "Heat Increase" Discussion
Yea, just look at what he did to Kumadori, and how he did it.
Kumadori put up a Tekkai, and Monster Chopper just sat on him and punched him. No special conditions or anything. Just a normal punch - and Kumadori might as well have been blowing bubbles out his ass for all the differance it made.
Now imagine what he could do in Monster form if he had full control of his faculties, and was putting in some fucking EFFORT.