enters from the abyss
I'm interested if you have enough people!
enters from the abyss
I'm interested if you have enough people!
As I step back onto the forum for the first time in a while, I'm definitely down to get back into these games. I like the idea of asynchronous games, as well as speed, and weekend games. I'm finding myself with more freetime than I've had in years and I'd love to play another game hosted by you.
Yayy, good job everyone.
I had a really good time playing and sluething!
I'm totally on-board for a No swords lynch today, especially after Jabber explained himself a bit. I've voted already.
To be honest, if it's not No swords, it would be star. I have no doubts that the Coroner role they described was honest, especially with the detail given. At this point, its unlikely, but I think that there could've been a theif/coroner mafia team.
I say that we lynch No swords today, then if we don't end the game, Kitsune investigates star, I watch Kitsune, and we have a relatively conclusive day 4.
Actually, I made a mistake. I can only visit the dead and check their role, role description, and what items they had. I can't keep the items, I'm sorry for being confusing, I was confused too about the description, but it's cleared up now! ><
Okay, that makes more sense.
@No:
Even without investigating her, I believe that Star is telling the truth about her role, if not her alinement. It seems way too intricate and detailed to be making up out of nowhere, especially for a new player.
No problem, being more honest now will help with scum hunting. It may have been a little selfish of me to bring up keeping roles a secret just so I could have a chance to prove I'm telling the truth.
Also, this might be a crazy idea, but hear me out:
After checking the mafia wiki, it says that FBI agents usually just get a guilty reading on serial killers and no one else. And of all the players still alive, basically all of us agree that myself, Star, and Sky are the most suspicious. If we lynched one of us today, and then another of the three or Kitsune died at night, then Jabber is the safest person on the final day, since we've all seen him as getting an accurate read on Kmo. But thinking about this differently, all he would need to be "confirmed" as an FBI agent would be the knowledge that Kmo is a serial killer.
So what if Jabber is actually a mafia role cop, or similar equivalent, and just used the knowledge he gained from checking Kmo night 1?
Looking back at day 2, the momentum for lynching was almost completely on Huschel under Jabber brought up his report. It's not like it was super risky for Jabber to do it, since he would be validated when Kmo died if he knew his role. Since then, none of us have doubted or investigated Jabber. I haven't done it, Kitsune hasn't done it, heck, it Sky is telling the truth, then she was protecting Jabber both nights until now, in a way. No one here has ever double checked or suspected anything in regards to Jabber after his claim.
And while Jabber did mention the idea of Shuhan shooting Huschel, he wasn't the first one to bring it up; Sky was. But it still let Huschel have a night action he very, very likely would not have been permitted otherwise. Like, say, using the gun he stole at least once.
Plus, nobody's claimed to have any sort of protective role or used a protective item, yet everyone lived through night one. And if the mafia really do each have a night power, like Jabber just brought up, then it's very possible we've had a mafia thief/mafia role cop combo, who needed items to kill. If they decided to both target Kmo night 1, they could have then acted based on that information in addition Kitsune's report. Heck, if this is the case, then its possible Huschel was the role cop and Jabber is the thief, and they privately exchanged information after Huschel was exposed so Jabber could both get suspicion off of himself and keep the gun he stole.
This is an interesting point, and seems to have a lot of forethought on Jabber's part. It could be possible, but I'd also like to look at their posts that day for a feel. Plus, the later part of your argument could be applied to you as well, considering that you're claiming a role cop.
Thinking through this, you should almost certainly target Kitsune tonight with your ability as it's the closest thing to protection we have. He's a confirmed Townie with a powerful ability, so either you see who kills him or he's unharmed and can investigate again.
That makes sense too, and if we don't lynch the last mafia today, Kitsune can use his power on No Swords to determine guilt.
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Actually, no. That theory doesn't make sense. There's no reason that Jabber would chose to investigate night 1 instead of killing with the gun he had. A night 1 kill is almost guaranteed if the mafia has the ability, and there's no reason mafia shouldn't kill that first night over investigating a role, especially if Huschel stole kmo's gun that night.
With that, and everything we've said so far, I think we should lynch No swords, there's almost no doubt in my mind that they're the last mafia.
Sky is Not Guilty.
Vote Lynch: No swords style best style
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Unvote
Just in case we want to sus the rest of this out.
Okay. I'm glad I was cleared. I'm still down to vote out No swords today and if not them, then star?
Well, relooking at my description it seems I do have the items, though when I did my night action, I was told this was what was on the person. So, I guess I do have them? >.<
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So, from my understanding, I do actually have the items from my role description, but when I did my night action, I was never told what the items actually did, only that this was what was in their possession. I hope that makes sense. ^^
Okay, so your role allows you to visit the dead, take every item they had, and learn their role? That has the potential to be pretty powerful, so I'm not quite convinced, but the way you've presented the info so far has me leaning towards you being town.
So I think if we all agree, we can either lynch no swords today, or go through another night to determine if people are telling the truth about their roles. Assumably, if No swords role is real, they can visit Huschel during the night to find out their role, and star can also visit Huschel to confirm his role(and get his items).
If I also target Huschel, I would be able to see that both of them 'visited' during the night.
However, I'm still leaning towards lynching today, since we're in a good position.
Aah, perhaps the ski mask prevented me from seeing kmo visit anyone. Or rather, if I'd targeted someone who kmo stole from, I would've only gotten the knowledge that *someone had visited that person, rather than kmo himself.
To be completely honest, star's information seems to match pretty well to how the set up has been revealed so far, and makes sense when we have abilities to target the dead for things as well.
I feel as though the two cop type claims have come through well, so I think it makes sense that No swords and myself are the top candidates for the last mafia. Obviously, I know that I'm town-aligned so my bet is No swords. I think it'll ultimately be up to the town to decide, but I think that with our current numbers, even if we vote out a townie, and somehow the last mafia kills during the night, we still have another day to vote them out.
So I'm pretty confident leaving this here for now. I'll hope that Kitsune's report has something fruitful, but I think we also may be able to simply scum hunt as well.
Vote Lynch: No swords style best style
I don't think there's any way to confirm it. Shuhan admitted to stealing from Jabberwok from the first night almost at day-start, so I didn't get a chance to question him directly.
For the first night, I targeted Jabber because they talked a lot the first day, and I thought that someone would target them for something. The second night I thought that since Jabber seemed like a confirmed cop, that they would be a target for the mafia.
What is interesting about the role is that I can target someone who is alive or not, so I think it's likely that other roles can target the dead, including the thieves.
I'm not sure about Role Cop, it could make sense considering that death hasn't revealed roles, just alignment. But except for the two thieves I'm not sure what the point of it would be.
No swords, could you quote to where you alluded to this before?
Besides that, I'm okay with role reveals at this point, because I think it'll help us scum hunt.
I am a Watcher. I can target someone and determine who visited them during the night. The first night, I watched Jabberwok and saw Shuhan visit them. The second night, I watched Jabberwok again (since I thought they were a confirmed cop) but no one visited them last night.
I did not start out with any items, nor have I received any.
Alright, what a night! Kmo was a surprise third-party, so I'm glad we were able to lynch him before he caused any trouble.
So Huschel AND kmo were both anti-Town? Huh.
I think we can assume Shuhan killed Huschel last night, unless someone offers a contradictory story. That also explains why Huschel hammered so quick, which I was looking forward to following up on.
Might as well reveal this, since I've already said I have an investigative role. I got a Not Guilty result on starlalilymoon last night. However, because I'm a Town FBI Agent, it's possible that I'll only receive a Guilty result on a Serial Killer like kmo. So starla's probably clear but we shouldn't count her out.
Kirby, would you tell us if any items were found on a body?
That is an interesting role. It would make sense, especially with such a small game to have two separate roles for investigating 'guilt' for third party and mafia. However I did want to check with Kitsune that your role is a Cop and not an FBI Agent.
In terms of who we have left, I think out of the 5 who are left, we have 1 mafia and 4 town. It doesn't make sense to have any more third party or mafia, since that would've meant we only had 4 townies to start out of 8.
With that, I think we have a real opportunity to lynch today, especially if Kitsune's reports were fruitful. Even if we mislynch today and somehow the mafia has a gun, we would still have another day to scum-hunt.
Lastly I will say that I was not broken into and nothing was stolen from me.
Hmm, interesting development.
I can confirm that as a Thief, I did not start with an item. I would assume that if there were any other thieves around they would also not have an item.
Between Huchel and Kmo, I want to lean towards Huschel only because while an artificer does jibe with this set up, It seems pretty op for either side.
@Huschel: were you able to put the vest on or not?
This post makes a lot of sense to me, in terms of thieves not starting out with any items. So with that logic the thought that kmo was stolen from and also apparently stole from Huschel doesn't line up.
Seems the more I learn about Huschel the more guilty they are. With Kitsune's report and kmo saying he stole a lock pick, makes it seem that Huschel is the third thief. Maybe Huschel stole from kmo and vice versa showing that Huschel was the third thief who got the vest from kmo. Hmmmm, this is getting very interesting, quite indeed.
It was flavor text, so I'm sure it was a ghost or something trying to scare me… >_<
This doesn't make sense to me at all. There is no reason you would've gotten a nighttime PM informing you of a break-in if it wasn't someone's action. This implies that there was a third thief, and that kmo's claim of being one becomes more unlikely. Especially since I don't think there would be 4 thieves in a game like this.
I don't think you are the third thief. The lock pick doesn't seem like something a thief (in this setup) would have, since neither I nor Shuhan had it. Rather, I feel as if its meant to open locked doors.
To be honest, my message was a bit ambiguous. Now that I have read it again, it doesn't actually say that any item was stolen from me, but just that some item is missing (paraphrase). I assume it was stolen (being a thief myself), but now that I think about it, it could be that I am NOT allowed more than one item at a time? Although, I wasn't informed if that's the case and I doubt that it is.
No, I can confirm that I never had a vest.
Based on this, I believe it's still likely kmo was stolen from, especially since his wording matched up with Jabberwok’s, however I still think it's quite unlikely you stole anything from Huschel, especially since Huschel didn't claim that anything was stolen, even after the Guilty report.
I don't have a ton to add right now, but since kmo and Huschel are directly contradicting each other we definitely need to lynch one of them. Like I said, I believe kmo had an item stolen from him, but I don't necessarily believe he's telling the truth about it being a gun or that he's on the Town's side.
Beyond that, I don't have too much to offer sooo… where's everyone from? I'm from the Pacific Northwest. Not as much blue sky as one might expect given our infamously rainy weather, but beautiful green towns everywhere full of trees and flowers. Nice place, a lot better than this basement.
I agree, and honesty I'm leaning towards kmo at this point. While Huschel's item and ability descriptions got a little hazy, I think they were detailed enough to seem truthful and the artificer ability(if true) definitely seems like a town-aligned role. Plus if it turns out that kmo is town, I think we can safely have Shuhan shoot Huschel during the night(or if that fails lynch them on Day 3).
Also, I'm from New York, and it's getting quite warm for not even being summer yet…
Has AP always been this impossible to navigate?
I'll be at work for another hour, then I can weigh in, offer takes, and try and help with the hunt.
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This is an interesting point you're making and leads me to a question: did you actually target Kmohyudin? And follow-up question, are you 100% certain your report was on Kmo?
Hey thanks for breaking that down! I had just casually noticed him mention your name a couple and it gave me pause.
This sounds highly highly unlikely. Unless someone claims having a use for a lock, this is honestly the most suspicious thing we've uncovered today.
More to come.
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I'm a flop detective because I am done fighting with AP's broken ass multi-quote system.
I feel like there's a lot of things getting thrown up in the air but there's a very important piece of information that SHOULD be told to us as soon as humanly possible.
What does the lockpick do?
My guess is absolutely nothing because it's not real, which is why if we're going to lynch one guilty boi or the other, I'm leaning kmo.
[qimg]https://i.gifer.com/CqFN.gif[/qimg]
That said, I'd like to say that while I may be clear in Jabberwok's eyes, he's not yet clear in mine. There's no possible way both of us are sane cops, though, because that would be kinda broken with eight players.
It COULD be possible we're both insane, but that's highly unlikely.
Yes, it's terrible, especially trying to do multi-quotes spanning multiple pages on a mobile device. ^-^;
As for the lock pick, I agree with you. I think there could be a possibility of a lockpick being able to steal from someone once, but with a game with this many thieves, I still think it's unlikely..
With both guilty reports, I think its fair to assume either Jabberwok or Kitsune is insane, and right now, kmo is looking more and more suspicious. So for right now, I will leave my vote here. However I'm willing to change it if we as the town decide on Huschel instead.
Vote Lynch: kmohyudin
As you should. The most valuable insight we can get from a guilty report is how everyone reacts to it. Besides, we still haven't verified my sanity, which by definition, I cannot do alone.
I went back to Day 1 to comb through Huschel's posts for anything useful I could glean. He's mainly been productive in discussions, but this is less of a read on Huschel as it is those who responded. I'm curious that nobody mentioned that Lylo on Day 3 is better than Day 2 because we'd have twice as much information from reports and night activities and such. At least, that's my answer to that question.
Sky, you probably haven't read into this much, but Huschel seemed to direct a lot of questions at you yesterday, moreso than any other player. Now that Huschel's been accused of guilt, what do you make of that?
Well, to be honest, I didn't get that sense at all, so I also went back. These are posts Huschel made with questions in them(bolded). The only other post was a day 1-first post with flavor.
We can talk while I make us some margaritas, Sky. How are you enjoying the new living conditions?
A co-op is fine, but I'm not sure I'm ready to be responsible for an apartment building.
This was a response to my flavor post, and didn't really have substance.
Oh hey. Time sure flies when you're…not doing a lot.
Day 1 is always a kind of slog, I understand that, but I think we need to do a little bit more than just talk about the fact that we all agreed to have only KI's rent go up.
Jabbers: Any reason beyond the obvious one for voting for KI?
kmo: You said Day 1 is usually for speculating and not much more. Do you think that's the most productive thing to do? Under what circumstances would you take action on Day 1?That's disturbing…but I could probably make you a new one, I have my tools around here somewhere.
Two questions of substance, directed towards Jabberwok and kmo.
I agree that it's worth stating. Three mafia would be excessive and one would be sort of the opposite. I would lean towards one over three though. Anyway, it seems most likely that we're dealing with 2 mafia members. So yes, we would be at mylo* tomorrow. Which is not the worst situation to be in, but still pretty bad on day 2. With the other scenario, if we no lynch today and (mis)lynch tomorrow, we'd be at lylo** on day 3, correct?
**I'll just ask everybody right now then: Going with the scenarios described above, would you personally prefer mylo on day 2 or lylo on day 3?
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*mylo= 'mislynch or lose' which means if town lynches a person who ends up being innocent, the mafia automatically wins. Usually, the safe course of action at mylo is not to lynch at all
** lylo = 'lynch or lose' which means that town has to lynch a mafia member or lose automatically due to numbers
A question for everyone.
What? Why would anyone ever shoot you to death? :ninja:
Thanks to everybody who answered my question. Everybody prefers the day 3 lylo which seems reasonable to me too. It wasn't a very hard question, but the amount of individual responses is encouraging.
I will agree with jabs that having inactive people around just for town numbers isn't worth it or actually has an inverse effect like he has demonstrated. Then again, this game will probably be over in about three days anyway with only 8 people. So I don't think we will really have any choice. If there's inactive people, I feel like we just lose. So keep it up, everybody.
Not me though, this might be my last post for today. :P
This was the other 'question' directed towards me. It was in response to me referencing my past inactivity in games, and Huschel referenced shooting me with a gun as townie in a previous game.
To be honest, I don't 'count' the flavor posts and don't think they're super relevant, especially from Day 1. So I will say I don't think more questions were directed towards me than anyone else.
As for the guilty report, I agree that the most sensible option is to lynch Huschel to determine whether your report is accurate. However, I'd also like to know who else stole or attempted to steal items last night. I think it's interesting that only Shuhan has confessed, and that was before the possibility of more than 2 thieves. If no one else steps forward, I think that whoever stole kmo's item was mafia.
What an interesting night. Considering that at least three people claim to have been broken into last night(and two of them with items stolen), there's at least three theives of some kind. Whether any of them are aligned with the mafia is yet to be seem, however.
Because there was no kill last night, I think we have two possible scenarios: either the kill was prevented in some way or the mafia chose not to kill. I'm eager to hear from everyone else in case someone else has something interesting to report too.
The issue I'm having with the mafia deciding not to kill is why wouldn't they? There is no real reason for them not to especially with so few players. Considering there are items circulating, it's possible their kill function is an item.
Based on what we've heard so far, I think its likely that the mafia's ability to kill is through items. With such a small game, I think its likely that the mafia started out with no items and at least one thief. This would allow the town a greater chance of getting more time to scum hunt, while also having town-aligned thieves potentially steal back items from the town.
However I'd like to hear everyone else's thoughts on that theory as well.
Also nothing was stolen from me and I was not broken into.
We can talk while I make us some margaritas, Sky. How are you enjoying the new living conditions?
A co-op is fine, but I'm not sure I'm ready to be responsible for an apartment building.
Well, I do like margaritas… Thank you! They've been pretty good so far, I mean, as long as I have central air I'm good.
I agree that it's worth stating. Three mafia would be excessive and one would be sort of the opposite. I would lean towards one over three though. Anyway, it seems most likely that we're dealing with 2 mafia members. So yes, we would be at mylo* tomorrow. Which is not the worst situation to be in, but still pretty bad on day 2. With the other scenario, if we no lynch today and (mis)lynch tomorrow, we'd be at lylo** on day 3, correct?
**I'll just ask everybody right now then: Going with the scenarios described above, would you personally prefer mylo on day 2 or lylo on day 3?
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*mylo= 'mislynch or lose' which means if town lynches a person who ends up being innocent, the mafia automatically wins. Usually, the safe course of action at mylo is not to lynch at all
** lylo = 'lynch or lose' which means that town has to lynch a mafia member or lose automatically due to numbers
Personally lylo on Day 3 seems like the best option, especially since it emphasizes town action, rather than inaction. Plus, it gives us another day to scum-hunt and see what we can do.
Another question I had for you all, especially experienced players, what do you get out of Day 1, and what do you try to do?
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Question for all, what is your opinion on voting out an inactive player?
Ah, meant to answer this too. On this, it depends. To be honest, I have been the inactive player voted out in the past, and from my perspective, I get it. In a game that often relies on players reactions and answers to things, one of the hardest things to do is get a read on an inactive person. When a person cannot respond enough, it leaves the people 'hunting' in a difficult place. They can either assume innocence until proven guilty, or be fooled by inactivity by a mafia. Either way, it's not great for the town. In practice, I think its a viable option if the town wants to lynch but doesn't have an overtly suspicious person.
Hello everyone!
Now quick question, are any of you the neighbor that always uses a blender around 3am? I just wanna talk….
What exactly is the traditional style anyway, and what inclines people to favor it over different, yet more unique artstyles like One Piece’s?
Personally, I think it often includes certain eye styles and background styles. When talking with people, I've found that One Piece's style, especially at the beginning, is more simplistic and less 'aesthetic' than some people prefer
Length is definitely a big factor that I've seen. One other reason people have said is the art style. Especially from the beginning, One Piece doesn't have a traditional 'anime' style that a lot of people love.
Edit: I also think having a popular streaming service for it would help, too. Last year, I went to rewatch some One Piece, but Netflix only has up to the end of the Alabasta arc.
I'm in. The semester is ending so I should have more time to focus on this!
Okay, I guess this is it.
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Vote Lynch: Huschel**
Okay. I'm on my break now and will not be here later. I don't have the time to read through previous posts but if we decide someone other than Foolio, I can change my vote within the next 10 minutes or so.
SUDK, who would you prefer to vote for?
Hey all, Im not sure whether Ill be here in time for end of day, and I'm on a small break now so I can't really read back through the days to super examine everyone. For SUDK, yes, I still think you're pretty suspicious, but I may have missed some of your posts yesterday.
As I've said before, I trust Kirby to be townie, so I'm willing to change my vote to ensure we get a vote today.
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Vote Lynch: Foolio**
I may be back on another break before days end, especially if no one hammers. Ill be willing to change my vote then too if we've decided on a consensus.
Everyone: Some questions for ya.
- Assuming Kitsune did not lie about being shot on night 2, how did he get shot? Why might a mafia member have gotten shot?
- Assuming Kitsune did lie about being shot on night 2, why would a mafia member have sacrificed himself in such a way? Do you think that my explanation (that there were three mafia members and they knew we were at MiLo/LyLo on day 3) makes sense?
- Could the mafia have more than one gun? If so, did they start with more than one, or did they acquire another one at a later time?
- If multiple guns were to be used on the same target on the same night, would the victim bleed to death as we have seen so far?
- Do you think that Huschel should use his gun tonight? If so, then who should he use it on?
Sorry, I must have missed these earlier.
1. If he did not lie about getting shot, he must have been shot by a townie with a gun and lucky aim, but I think he was lying.
2. I think that Kitsune did not mean to 'sacrifice' himself entirely by claiming to be shot, at least for Day 3. My assumption was that if his scumtells were a little less obvious, he could have convinced the town to vote off a townie that day, while the mafia shot another townie that night, leading them closer to victory. When Kitsune wouldn't have died at day's end, he would have obviously been the next target, but by then 3 townies would have been dead. I think it's possible that this was a plan with a 3 mafia in order to gain majority, but I still believe it's most likely a 2 mafia game.
3. My assumption is that the mafia has one member that can shoot, and has a certain number of bullets. Potentially they could have more than one gun, but I think its more likely that a single mafia member can shoot, and that if they died, it would be left for the remaining one to either receive another gun or lead the town to a townie lynch.
4. I'm not sure, but I think it's possible that if two people were shot in the same time period, they would instead die during that period, instead of bleeding out during another day period. (The vests protected them from the first one, but not the second).
5. That would be assuming that Huschel can shoot again (which I'm not sure about). But if he could, probably not, especially if we don't lynch a mafia today today. Assuming kirby and I are townie and will die at day's end, that will leave 4 people left in the game. If there are two more mafia, then they've already won the majority at that point and don't need to lynch anyone today. If there's only one more mafia member, then at night, if Huschel (assuming townie in this scenario) shoots someone, he's got a 3 in 1 chance of hitting mafia, but if mafia doesn't shoot at night and claims to have gotten shot, the last day will be a lot of chaos surrounding who shot who and mafia hunting (which I admit could be interesting to watch).
My question to Kirbycide is your thoughts on SUDK? Has any of their posts stuck out to you as particularly townie or scummy? I think that if you really think its a 3 mafia game, we cannot end the day without lynching a mafia, so I'd like to have the town's consensus on who it should be.
Let's just ask everybody this question:
If you had gotten the gun as a Townie, who would you have shot last night (if anybody)?
If you were mafia, who would you have shot last night?
Personally, I would have shot SUDK, they don't seem to be on anyone's radar yet no has given any clear reason why they read as townie. And I have more on that.
If mafia, I probably would have gone for kmo, since his very adamant stance throughout yesterday against Kitsune reads as town to me considering Kitsune turned out to be mafia.
As for SUDK, I think both his actions and interactions with Kitsune have been very suspect.
@SomebodyUDon'tKnow:
I have no issues with him doubting it. I think that anybody 100% believing Skulljoke isn't playing smart. If he'd outright said "I don't believe you." that'd be different.
This was SUDK defending Kitsune's suspicion of SkullJoke on Day 2, while by itself doesn't really lend itself to a scumtell, in combination of everything else adds to my suspicion.
Class is over, but I would like to hear from SUDK first. Spoiler alert: I also want to see Huschel's response to your question in this post.
The other "wagons" I started were my two vote lynches on SUDK. These were explicitly pressure votes. I want to hear what SUDK has to say.
This was Kitsune explaining his pressure vote against SUDK and a call for him to add his thoughts. Personally, I've been on a mafia team with Kitsune in the past where he's done a similar pressure vote in order to get me more engaged in the discussion. This is no where near too suspicious, but I can see where Kitsune is doing the same thing again.
@SomebodyUDon'tKnow:
General Thoughts:
I would not have voted for a Day Extension on the first day. Especially under the assumption that No Swords was going to pull through and post, or continue on the second day.
I changed my mind on No Swords' plan after reading other's arguments against it. Fully owning up to that.
I would not have voted for anyone yesterday. No one stuck out as immediately suspicious enough to vote against, even if there were questionable things I'll bring up here.
Gonna try to go through and find what made Skulljoke a target for attack after this post. I agree that his message would be really incriminating should something not happen, so I trust him for now.
I tend to be unavailable within six hours either way of day end/start. Just to be clear.
I have still never gotten the hang of quoting or multi-quoting, so I'll link post numbers.Non-General Thoughts:
@Kitsune: To clarify: those are pressure votes against me, yes?
Catching up!
Your question in the original post to Huschel about Jabberwok, which he
ninja'danswered before I could formulate a response.Yes. I have explained this already.
What do you mean by "noticed"? Are you saying that you believe SkullJoke and Kirbycide both read Town to you?
Yeah, no, you're the one at the top of my list, actually. And this post right here cements. You were gunning pretty hard against Kirby yesterday, but now you're vibing that he's Town? And you're saying that you are making these claims because of proof that you have. Please don't tell me you are softclaiming. If you saw anything last night that corroborates SkullJoke getting shot, that corroborates anyone, then why are you holding on to it? Here's the thing, you don't want to expose yourself if you don't have anything go on, but you claim to have critical information. If you have the identity of a scum or something that is going to be critical to allowing us to scumhunt, then why on earth are you just keeping it close to your vest? At worst, you're scum using the illusion of promising information, and at best, you're being a very messy Townie, and you may have just made yourself a target for the Mafia to kill tonight by being cryptic.
If you have PROOF that can exonerate anybody, or implicate somebody, or give the town ANYTHING to go on, I would recommend you present that PROOF as such, and not hem-and-haw about it. If it's not "proof" but a theory or conjecture, then you've grossly overestimated the value of what you have.
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These two posts were SUDK's thoughts that Kitsune asked for and Kitsune's subsequent post afterward. Understandably, there was a lot of other discussion that day with kmo and kirby's theories, but Kitsune didn't even address SUDK's post, opinion, or contribution to the discussion, he just unvoted and never referenced voting SUDK again. I don't think anyone even mentioned the votes after that, nor pressured Kitsune to explain why he unvoted. This reads as pretty scummy to me, especially combined with the fact that yesterday, when Kitsune was getting lynched, SUDK was one of the last to vote, and didn't actually put an explanation as to why with it. Kirby asked them whether they were going to vote near the end of day, and their response was "Yes, Vote Lynch: Kitsune Inferno". At that point, it was pretty guaranteed to happen, and it would look more suspicious if they didn't vote for him. Especially if they didn't know Kitsune would post the vote for himself a couple minutes later in frustration.
@SomebodyUDon'tKnow:
@Sky: Why do you think you were targeted?
I've already said I think the person that targeted me was town. I was targetted as someone who has little information to go off of, and could've been mafia. While I definitely see Foolio's point about wasting the shot, or acting selfishly with the gun, I personally would have also shot someone last night if I received a gun. After what happened with Foolio (and assuming that one can only use the gun at night) I would not have wanted to waste my shot.
Additionally, in the scenario where Huschel waited to use the gun tonight instead, with the town's consensus on who to use it on, there's a big possibility that either his actions would have been blocked or the mafia convinced the town to shoot a townie, while shooting that night as mafia, and would have won automatically.
Overall, my biggest suspect right now is SUDK, and I'm honestly hoping that there was only a 2-person mafia instead of 3, as I can't really get a scum read off of anyone else at the moment.
With that;
Vote Lynch: SomebodyUDon'tKnow
@Huschel, I assume I will die at days end like Skulljoke, since my PM only said my time was limited so I should make my posts count.
I think its entirely possible that there is a mafia with no nightkill, though I'm not sure whether that means there are three of them. From my perspective, only a townie would have shot me during the night, since the mafia could easily have led a lynch on me due to inactivity. That's why I asked whether anyone else was shot, if not, then I definitely assume that only people recieving guns are killing anyone.
Hello all,
Sorry for my lack of posts yesterday, but I should be able to post more today(next 48 hours).
As it is, I have been shot. My vest seemed to have protected me somewhat, but I am bleeding out and will likely die at day's end.
I'm glad we were able to successfully lynch Kitsune yesterday, and I'll have to go back through his posts to get a better read on things.
For everyone, now that we've gotten one scum, who is next on your list? Do you think Kitsune specifically defended or attacked them, or never mentioned them at all. I'll also ask whether anyone else got shot last night.
I chose number 5
That would prove Fox's claim (not necessarily his Townie status).
And it would give Town the opportunity to come to a consensus on who to snipe. This is important because whoever has the gun might not be Town (or this might be a ploy by scum buddies to begin with).
Potential doctor/defensive roles would have an easy target.I would like everybody's input on this, please.
I think this makes sense, especially if we feel like we won't get a consensus on a particular person. With Kitsune rolling 1, I'm curious as to whether that means kmo revieved a 'gift' from Kitsune. And if so, why hasn't he said so already, especially with Jabberwok confirmed to have recieved a gun.
@Huschel:
Sky: How do you feel about confirmed Townie Jabberwock trying to lynch you .
As I said yesterday, I had no hard feelings for anyone who's voted for me due to inactivity. Its understandable and I have been one of the least active.
Also, I think there has to be just two mafia, if theres 3, if Kitsune turns out to be Town and we lynch another townie the mafia would win. However, I'm still not discounting a singular third-party player.
I'd have to look back but kmo never voted Kirbycide, did he? He's been pretty hard-line against Jabberwok. It's SUDK currently sharing that vote with Jab.
I'm sorry, you're right. I was reading the most recent lynch vote update and my brain got them confused. It is way too late/early for me. :blink:
Thank you very much for joining us and giving your perspective on things, Sky.
Not that I want to take you away from real life things, but if you will be participating on day 3 with this kind of infrequency, then I’d ask that you kindly say so at the time to remind us that you are still playing and will do your best to help the town along.
Again, thanks, and I’m glad that you can also see what is so suspicious about Jabberwok’s posts.
If I may ask, what are your thoughts on Kitsune?
That's a fair request, as it is, its looking like I will be available for the first part of 'tomorrow', but not the majority of the later half(what equates to Sunday for me).
As for Kitsune, I almost put my thoughts in the first post, but it was becoming unfocused and not organized well.
Overall, his posts have been a bit hedgy and searching for specific things, which may be understandabke if he is a townie with a power role, as he stated. He's hinted throughout the day that he has information and that he was looking to see if others have that information. While I'm not super suspicious of his voting pattern (in that in mafia he often uses pressure votes to get people to respond to him), the way that he has both claimed he has a power role, yet not revealed the information he was looking to corrabotate seems a bit suspicious to me. While he may be leaning on the fact that the vests will protect him another night, if he is actually a townie with a power role, he just put a target on his head for no reason that has been revealed to us. As someone said earlier(I'm sorry, I don't remember who), I'd like Kitsune to last until tomorrow to explain himself and possibly reveal what information he has gathered.
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Thanks for your thoughts, Sky. I'm glad you've given a firm stance and a vote! Can you also comment on the Kirbycide wagon? What's your take on that? And, if you find Jabberwok scummy, what do you make of the fact that he decided to hop on your wagon instead of the Kirbycide wagon?
The Kirbycide wagon to me seems a bit weak. While I know that a lot of his actions today seemed to have wasted time / not made sense in helping the town, I believe that they came from a place of well-meaning misunderstanding than of malicious time-wasting/confusion. As I've said below, from what I've seen, Kirby seems townie to me, and based off of that, those that voted for him look a little suspicious to me, especially kmo after Kirby supported most of his posts.
Honestly, I can't look too hard into the votes on me, as they're completely understandable in terms of activity and our discussions on Day 1 about lynching those who are inactive. Though, if Jabberwok turns out scum as I believe, it would make sense that he jumped on an easy wagon.
Sorry for the long time to respond, formatting multi-quotes on a phone is a bit rough.
Overall, the thing with the numbers has no real grounds, but as we've already discussed that in depth, and Kirby has already changed their mind on it, I'll leave it at that.
Sky I'm interested to know, what merit do you see in the Jabberwok votes?
Mostly it was this post, at the time that I posted last.
Yes and no. To say too much more would potentially reveal information to scum. The best I can offer is that I am technically a Vanilla Townie as that is the role that was assigned me, and that role hasn't changed.
Since then, his posts have gotten worse. The idea that a townie would claim that they have recieved a power in the night in order to purposefully have the mafia target them in the night (a townie versus a town-aligned player with a power) just doesn't sit right with me, especially when enough of the town has suspicions on you, and the mafia would be more likely to keep you alive as a scapegoat. Why this quote was suspicious to me will be explained below.
My own thing about Kitsune is that he specifically asked about being a Vanilla Townie. Now again, this isn't something to build a case around/build trust on, but all I'm saying is that I wasn't called a Vanilla Townie either. In hindsight, I am not so sure anymore if the usual wording includes Vanilla or not. I'm sure it varies. But Kitsune's wording stuck out to me. As did Jabber's answer.
This is the reason the post seemed suspicious. I agree that my PM didn't specify a particular type of townie, and that was corroborated by both SkullJoke(whose a relatively confirmed townie), Kirbycide, and now Huschel. Now this alone should not necessarily lead to a lynch, but that combined with his back and forth with claims screams scummy or at least a chaotic third-party to me.
I've been forced to hint harder because kmo has fixated on me. My hope is that my circumstances aren't unique and that there's at least one or two other players out there who are cleanly understanding me. It's rather unfortunate.
I'll say this, I guess. Vanilla is my choice for a descriptor, but may or may not be an official one. Is that helpful?
Not particularly, considering I believe you went back on this claim afterward. (Though I may be getting my timeline confused with how many times I've gone back and forth through these pages)
Everyone BUT Kitsune and Jabberwok: Do you think that if every townie has a vest that could be bulletproof, that the town would still be at a disadvantage against the mafia? Do you think that a balanced setup would require some other sort of power role on our side?
Yes, I think that the vest provide a form of protection for the town, and that to balance that, there are power roles, though I wouldn't necessarily say that they're on our side. I think that the bulletproof vests are just that, and that the chosen numbers are actually separate from the vests altogether. I think it would be more likely for a largely townie town with bulletproof vests, and then mafia and a third-party with an ability to kill, though I'm not discounting an investigative role for the town.
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Also, I'll say that I will try to stay on to respond, but it is very late where I am, and I cannot guarantee that I will not fall asleep.
Also what I meant to do in my previous post is vote.
Vote Lynch: Jabberwok
As I've said above, you're looking real scummy to me, and nothing you've said since then has changed my mind.
Okay! I've finally caught up! There's no real excuse for me not being here earlier except for real-life things, so I definitely understand the votes on me. Let me get my thoughts together and respond to a few things. It may take a bit since I'm on mobile, but I'll do my best.
Vote Lynch: Sky
Sky, you have been fairly tangential to the discussion even while being present. Your single post today undermined kmo's question by posing it to the whole town. You asked everyone about their take on vests, what to rely on, and a continued fixation on hypo-copping (which, hopefully by now, people understand is about the least optimal thing we could do). Are you fishing about the setup because you're not town? What is your opinion of the current situation? What do you think of all the votes that have been laid throughout today, mine included? What's your current take on Kirbycide?
To answer your point about undermining kmo's post, I'll be completely honest and say that I didn't particularly notice that the question was fishing for a particular answer from SUDK, and that the topic shouldn't be talked about. I was thinking about the setup in order to understand what our best course of action is/should be. The current situation is a bit tough to pick through, considering the amount of vague posts about suspicions, known information, soft role reveals.
As for the votes today, I can understand the 'push to action/discussion' votes that have happened for Jabberwok and myself, but the actual votes for Jabberwok make sense overall, but I'll really need to go over his previous posts to understand their perspective enough to support voting for him. In general, I think we should use the opportunity to lynch today, since we didn't lose a townie (yet?) and there seems to be some solid suspicions overall.
At the moment, Kirbycide seems relatively townie to me, he's pretty low on my suspects list.
A question for Sky: What, in your opinion, is the best way for the Town to reliably gather information? Is there a possible scenario in this game where you would consider hypo-cop or hypo-X as a useful tool?
Sorry I wasn't able to respond before yesterday ended. As for us gathering information, I'm not sure how it can be very reliable in an unknown setup. I didn't really understand the benefit of either hypo-cop or hypo-doc as it was explained unless we have a certain role that can verify whether someone visited another person that night. We may be able to sus out someone who says they would/had visited a certain person, and then they died, but I still feel it would be more likely that it was a townie making it up instead of giving real insight.
Sky (and only Sky): If you were here yesterday, would you have voted to extend the day?
Probably, it felt like many people were waiting on responses of other who live in fairly different time zones.
@SkullJoke Is your post saying that you can only post replies for a certain period of time or that you can only do one more post?
Otherwise, it seems like there may be varying degrees of protection afforded to us by the vests. As a general question to all, do you think that we should rely on the vests as a form of preliminary protection, or should we focus more on obtaining 'reports' or things like hypo-copping?
Isn't a no-lynch on day 1 one of the worst things that Town can do for itself? It's like giving the Mafia a free night to do whatever they want, and only they have the benefit of the information from our conversations on day 1. As far as I see it, only lynches can catch Mafia, and we should use them liberally. Otherwise the night kill ratio goes up, and that can only spell doom for the town, right?
As far as showing up late, I can understand that, I also only realized the game had started because I was checking the thread every 12 hours or so. Missed the chance to get number 9 out of the gate.
But I don't like the "no lynch day 1" argument you're making here, so I'll go ahead and jump in with Foolio.
Vote Lynch: Sky
That all makes a lot of sense, but without the risk of a lynching, what reason do people have to be active on day 1?
More activity means more information, too, right? Personally, I'd prefer to see more people posting.
Also, I don't buy the argument that any lynch is ever done completely at random. We at least know that the scum, if there is any, will have more information than us, and the way they choose to interact on day 1, including what lynch votes they give or don't give, will tell us something.
As a couple people have mentioned already, a no-lynch on Day 1 is no where near the worst thing Town can do. I can agree with you that people should be more active on Day 1, but I don't think that the threat of a lynching should be the sole motivator.
I'm with Kirby in that lynching is what Town does and really the only thing we're good at. The flip will give us information, but more importantly, people's stances towards lynching might tell us something. At the very least, figuring out a person to lynch together will have people engage more, post more, and therefore give Town more to analyze.
That being said, I'm not exactly convinced that Sky should be the target. She's not the worst one either, still just based on activity level. But others are similarly an option. I'll wait and see a little while longer.
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Eh. Might as well.
Vote Lynch: Kitsune Inferno
Good sir, I believe I asked you a question.
I disagree that lynching is the only thing we're good at, especially when we're usually quite bad at actually lynching mafia members. I agree that getting people talking about how to go about lynching is important and a great way to see people's views on Day 1, but blindly lynching someone on Day 1 is most likely to be detrimental to the Town.
That's fair enough, Foolio. The only thing I care about right now is that we try to work together to get a lynch on day 1. Because as I've said before, I think that will give town the most information for us to use on day 2. It might also give townies with special roles (assuming they even exist) more information to work with on night 1. So, the next logical thing for me to do would be:
Unvote
Vote Lynch: Kitsune Inferno
I don't appreciate that you seem to be solely focused on getting a lynch on Day 1. While I'm not opposed to lynching inactive players, your vote doesn't seem to be based on that, but rather the idea that any lynch on Day 1 is good for the Town.
And yes, I do believe that a lynch has a chance of catching a mafia member today, so it's worth giving it a try.
Of course there's a chance, but it's not likely to be a very good one, especially with the limited information we have, and the chosen number game mechanism which has yet to be revealed. As you said earlier, getting more information for the Town is the best way to win, but I don't think lynching on Day 1 is the best way to do that.
#10 sounds good to me. Sorry I was a little late in arriving, I hadn't realized the official game start had happened.
@No:
I'll take number 2 to go.
And to establish something for the town early on, how about we each say who we visited (used powers on) each night and report who that was the next day? And to keep things from getting too obvious about roles, we could each say two people we visited, with either the first or second being the true one for each report. It was helpful in the last game and would leave a paper trail if a powerful townie bit the dust, and even though most people and those lying mafiosos would be making it up, it'd still be an extra resource.
I also don't agree with this. The idea that a majority of people will likely be making up any sort of visiting seems to be counterintuitive. While we might be able to determine who is making it up, that doesn't determine whether they are townie or a mafia member.
Vote Lynch: Sky
Will always be a proponent of getting things rolling from day one. Inactivity is an easy early vote.
That's a legitimate stance, but I wholeheartedly disagree on lynching on the first day, especially with such a small game.
Hello!
There should be some room now….sorry!
I'd like to play! I haven't played Mafia in so long…
Oh i thought Cindry counted as 20.
But yeah Laboon and Kaku are both really good examples. I dont even think id consider Bellamy a schemer either?
Speaking of Laboon, it's been really cloudy lately. Would really like to see the Sky. :)
Hey, hey. I schemed… definitely. :ninja:
Also, I think the 10 minute challenge sold me! (Also I think it would break my heart if I missed a Survivor after being in all of them )
Aaaah, it's so close!
My plans include having food, water and wood. And survive. That's how this works right?
So it'll be a bit over a month?
6. Trappedolphin is a web of lies, but you can never vote her out.
She's too good at this game and will always make it to finals no matter what. All you can do is either join her in her domination of everything and build a better case to win, or oppose her tyranny but always make sure someone else gets voted out instead.
This rule also applies to Kubihige. You will never vote him out. Unless you do, but then he'll come back, far more powerful than you could ever believe.
That's all I've got.
I can contest to both of these. 100% true.
You guys know I can't miss a Survivor! Sign me up~
Okay, in 27 minutes, I will begin the character announcement ceremonies!
PMs will follow immediately after the final character is revealed.
Get ready you guys!
Okay, let me know~
bobs head to Alternative music
pokes head out of hole in the ground
Umm, if there's any room left, I'll sign up for Survivor!
Gaah, I babysit most of the day during the week. I think sometime during the weekend would be best.
CHouuuuuu~
Waaait, it should be Kubi. :X
Anyway, when should we do I'll Never Tell? I'm thinking of doing Under Your Spell in the meantime~ <3
BONUS
Not singing at all, but instead me doing a quick little thing on my broke-ass violin.
So good, all of them! We should do a Violin/Viola duet.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0hcrqI4heB3 - Bink's Sake~ :cwy: