@zeltrax225 said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:

@JazzMazz oh yeah I understand how this is different. I'm just saying both have pretty bad ways of handling their side characters and their gallery. The problem is MnHa as compared to Naruto + Bleach is that even when the other two series side characters are badly handled, their mains still shine pretty well (less Sakura). Like in Naruto there's Madara, Itachi, Kakashi and I'll even argue that Obito is more iconic/memorable than Shiragaki, even better written. Out of all the new ones, I like Miriko and that's about it, really. The new villains were pretty bad too. Stars and Stripes was new ...she's a meme now. But you are right : best jeanist was introduced early but it being introduced early doesn't necessarily mean that the character has weight to the readers. Nobody..I mean, nobody really cares? Midnight was introduced super early but then she died so, that's a thing. There's also this dude that died back then saving Endeavour who's supposed to make shields or something...it's a scene, I guess.

But now do I see your point : if BnHa actually has the Naruto years to work with, it will be able to develop characters like Best Jeanist and Midnight! Yeah, in the hands of another author maybe. I'm not being mean or anything but that's how Horikoshi has been operating since the Mafia arc or Bakugou vs Deku. He has little to no direction and is constantly relying on tropes + his precedents. If we compare let's say Best Jeanist and Midnight to characters like Guy, Asuma and Bee, why is one better and the other not as good (not as memorable)? It's never in the number of years/panels but rather in the execution. No way am I saying Naruto is this superior series (Yamato and Sai exist) but rather their relationships with other characters (main cast) that makes their presence shine. Gran Torino was a good way to evoke some character emotion that was never executed, and I loved the Mirio + Nighteye combination too. Endeavor's relationship with other characters is one of the better parts of the series ( getting really draaawn out by now). So you see my point, it's never "oh this guy does this big flashy attack with this flashback this chapter" so he's cool but rather how he acts + what he does or not do that impact the other characters we care about. Spinner's whole beef with Shoji only exist if you think deeper about it and felt terribly shoehorned in (because it is) as both characters had no meaningful relationship with each other and Shoji suffers even less development than Spinner. You mentioned training montage but that's generic and can be applied to anyone, since this is a case of discrimination + mutant hate...maybe something more relatable would have helped. The montage was just another one of those "ill draw something for this guy that is whatever" from Horikoshi.

Yeah I completely agree with this. I think that character connections as well as characters actually doing things that stick out in peoples mind is definitely more beneficial for making more memorable characters than simply basic personalities.

I think thats sort of what my suggestion was relating to. Have the characters do something memorable or stand out in some way in advance of them having these big multi chapter focused mini arcs. I think my suggestions were trying to get at potential ways to do that (being involved or doing something cool in an action scene is a potentially good way to make the character a bit more memorable, its
why someone like Mirko, despite not having a ton of character, is still a perfectly memorable side character). But yeah, for Shoji, I think that the actual stuff shown was fine(for the most part, the actual resolution was a bit weak), but I feel like it would have been easier to invest in this struggle if it was a more consist part of the character, or if that intentional flashback showing Shoji's backstory was actually shown much earlier in the story as a prelude to revealing that "mutant discrimination exists and is still a problem with hero society", which would then be resolved like 200 chapters later. Right now, I like what Shoji got, but it all feels very bunched up, and it feels a little disappointing because we know this is the final arc and we'll never get to see Shoji do anything really ever again.

Good chapter.

I wonder how the hell Deku is going to try and talk down Shiggy.

@Nectar said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:

@JazzMazz said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:

@Nectar said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:

I'm shocked Gentle stopped the prisoners by himself. Was sure Rappa helped. And then he bounced U.A.... Just how powerful is he?

Why would Rappa help the heroes?

Rappa is just a slightly less murdery version of Muscular.

He is a battle lusted guy who Overhaul was barely able to keep under control.

If anything, I just want him to fight and lose to Kirishima to show how much Kirishima has grown strong(sort of like the Muscular and Deku rematch).

Gentle was also really cool this chapter.

In My Hero Vigilantes, we see Rappa helping out a hero. Yeah, he was doing it for his own reasons, but he's capable of riding the anti-hero line if he wants too. That, and I don't think he's has any interest in watching the world burn.

I mean, what the villains want is a world of constant chaos where violence and the ability to enact violence are key.(at least thats what the MLA and PLF wanted).

I think Rappa would definitely want a rematch with Kirishima anyway.

@pariston_hill said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:

Imagine thinking Rappa would miss the chance to fight other inmates.

Yeah, but he'd also want a rematch with Kirishima, someone he actually views as a worthy opponent.

@Nectar said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:

I'm shocked Gentle stopped the prisoners by himself. Was sure Rappa helped. And then he bounced U.A.... Just how powerful is he?

Why would Rappa help the heroes?

Rappa is just a slightly less murdery version of Muscular.

He is a battle lusted guy who Overhaul was barely able to keep under control.

If anything, I just want him to fight and lose to Kirishima to show how much Kirishima has grown strong(sort of like the Muscular and Deku rematch).

Gentle was also really cool this chapter.

Endeavour is still the most compelling character in the series.

Masami Mori "do a fully canon fight scene" challenge(impossible).

Holy shit Sanji vs King and Queen was gas. Pretty sure thats Sanji's best animated fight in the series, and its like 90% filler.

@pariston_hill said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:

@Kaiolino said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:

Why a movie and not a tv series

Because God forbid we have downtime to process the events in this series.

This is true even for the manga lol.

@Nectar said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:

Things are looking dire for the Gunga Team. Thank goodness Koichi and the international heroes are (hopefully) on their way.
God no, that would be awful.

You can't just pull characters from another series in randomly to help resolve the main final conflict.

Its okay to introduce new bad guys in a final arc, or reintroducing old characters, but introducing complete new characters with no set up as a major part MID WAY through the final conflict is just not a good idea by any metric and I don't understand why people want this.

It would literally just be doing the lowest common demoninator crap of appealing to the nostalgia for a less popular seres.

Bruh, Koyama has insanely good direction. Really popped off this episode.

Is he always paired with Shimanuki to help disguise Shimanuki's art?

@zeltrax225 said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:

@JazzMazz oh yeah I understand how this is different. I'm just saying both have pretty bad ways of handling their side characters and their gallery. The problem is MnHa as compared to Naruto + Bleach is that even when the other two series side characters are badly handled, their mains still shine pretty well (less Sakura). Like in Naruto there's Madara, Itachi, Kakashi and I'll even argue that Obito is more iconic/memorable than Shiragaki, even better written. Out of all the new ones, I like Miriko and that's about it, really. The new villains were pretty bad too. Stars and Stripes was new ...she's a meme now. But you are right : best jeanist was introduced early but it being introduced early doesn't necessarily mean that the character has weight to the readers. Nobody..I mean, nobody really cares? Midnight was introduced super early but then she died so, that's a thing. There's also this dude that died back then saving Endeavour who's supposed to make shields or something...it's a scene, I guess.

But now do I see your point : if BnHa actually has the Naruto years to work with, it will be able to develop characters like Best Jeanist and Midnight! Yeah, in the hands of another author maybe. I'm not being mean or anything but that's how Horikoshi has been operating since the Mafia arc or Bakugou vs Deku. He has little to no direction and is constantly relying on tropes + his precedents. If we compare let's say Best Jeanist and Midnight to characters like Guy, Asuma and Bee, why is one better and the other not as good (not as memorable)? It's never in the number of years/panels but rather in the execution. No way am I saying Naruto is this superior series (Yamato and Sai exist) but rather their relationships with other characters (main cast) that makes their presence shine. Gran Torino was a good way to evoke some character emotion that was never executed, and I loved the Mirio + Nighteye combination too. Endeavor's relationship with other characters is one of the better parts of the series ( getting really draaawn out by now). So you see my point, it's never "oh this guy does this big flashy attack with this flashback this chapter" so he's cool but rather how he acts + what he does or not do that impact the other characters we care about. Spinner's whole beef with Shoji only exist if you think deeper about it and felt terribly shoehorned in (because it is) as both characters had no meaningful relationship with each other and Shoji suffers even less development than Spinner. You mentioned training montage but that's generic and can be applied to anyone, since this is a case of discrimination + mutant hate...maybe something more relatable would have helped. The montage was just another one of those "ill draw something for this guy that is whatever" from Horikoshi.

Yeah I completely agree with this. I think that character connections as well as characters actually doing things that stick out in peoples mind is definitely more beneficial for making more memorable characters than simply basic personalities.

I think thats sort of what my suggestion was relating to. Have the characters do something memorable or stand out in some way in advance of them having these big multi chapter focused mini arcs. I think my suggestions were trying to get at potential ways to do that (being involved or doing something cool in an action scene is a potentially good way to make the character a bit more memorable, its
why someone like Mirko, despite not having a ton of character, is still a perfectly memorable side character). But yeah, for Shoji, I think that the actual stuff shown was fine(for the most part, the actual resolution was a bit weak), but I feel like it would have been easier to invest in this struggle if it was a more consist part of the character, or if that intentional flashback showing Shoji's backstory was actually shown much earlier in the story as a prelude to revealing that "mutant discrimination exists and is still a problem with hero society", which would then be resolved like 200 chapters later. Right now, I like what Shoji got, but it all feels very bunched up, and it feels a little disappointing because we know this is the final arc and we'll never get to see Shoji do anything really ever again.

Episode went hard.