Poor Hyogoro....first in the manga, and now in the anime. Poor bastard got ignored twice now, given his connection to Luffy and having taught him more about Haki/Ryu
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RE: 1085: "The End! Luffy and Momonosuke's Vow"
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RE: Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)
@BobLoblaw said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
New WCF set for Onigashima. Carrot's inclusion seems random, right?
As much I hate to say this....I wouldn't put too much faith into merch. See what happened with Yamato and the infamous towel story.
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RE: Chapter 1057: The End
@theackwardstation said in Chapter 1057: The End:
About Yamato's reasons presented in this chapter, I think most people are missing out that Yamato didn't choose to stay in Wano only to travel around the country first... at least that's not what the dialogue with Kinnemon seems to point out. If we look at the timeline of Yamato's decision-making process, he made up his mind about travelling the land of Wano last chapter (1056), AFTER his talk with Luffy when he communicated his decision to stay to the crew, which is made very clear by the chapter since Kinnemon even highlights this detail. It seems like there's something else omitted to the readers. How important it is, I don't know. My theory is that Yamato is waiting to "open the borders of Wano", as was Oden's final wish.
As for the twist itself of Yamato staying, my opinion is that Oda did it too late. Terrible idea, especially when Oda didn't even properly showcase Yamato's change of mind onscreen. He shouldn't play with readers' expectations like he did throughout this arc about Yamato joining... unless Yamato somehow plays a bigger role (as a SH) in the future.
I came across this theory made on Reddit. I do personally think it has some merit given the event with Yamato in 1057
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/wt3zu0/on_a_recent_change_of_plan_1057_spoilers/
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RE: Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)
@BobLoblaw said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Finally. We missed some really good conversations over the past few months.
You can say that again. Last few months I had to browse sites like WorstGen, en good grief, that wasn't really a fun experience given how immature most users were on there. Glad AP is back, so some reasonable discussion can be made again without mocking each other with stupid memes and mocking pictures.
@StrawHatJedi said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
As for Carrot, it really depends if we see her in next week's chapter. She didn't seem at all happy with her new position. She didn't have the final word / say in that scene and never actually accepted. The scene functions to remind her of Pedro's will, which has little to do with ruling Zou. He wanted to join the crew of the Pirate King. He was born too late to join Roger, and too early to join Luffy, but he passed on his will to Carrot. Carrot is right in that she's really not qualified to lead Zou, at least not right now. But more importantly, looking at the context clues in 1056, it's just.... strange. If this was meant to be the end of Carrot's character arc / adventure, he could have easily included one last panel on that page where she reluctantly agrees. But he didn't. Instead, she looks distressed and is left wondering, "Pedro..." Inu and Neko seem to assume the matter s closed, but Carrot's lack of response lends an uncertain / ambiguous note to the scene. Oda's going to have to revisit the topic later. Which, again, seems odd and unnecessary if this was meant to be it for Carrot.
I don't believe Oda will allow the Straw Hats to leave without any parting words to Carrot. I know she's not popular in this thread for some reason, but she joins a very small handful of characters to have sailed aboard the Straw Hat's ship to multiple islands, and I don't believe she would exit the narrative on such an uncertain and unceremonious note, "Pedro...".
This pretty much. The scene with Carrot was weird to say the least, and very out of left field, with no build up given to such a promotion. On other forums, like Reddit, people who don't like Carrot, even say this was a weird scene and doesn't fit the narrative.
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RE: Chapter 1060: Luffy's Dream
Chapter was great, but honestly I'm getting a bit tired of these mysteries not getting solved, while getting new ones dropped on those that still need to be revealed. It was fun the first few times, but we are entering the final saga of the story, the endgame as it will be said, and we are still playing around mysteries not getting revealed in time. Whatever that dream is, it better be something really substantial and/or really funny for this mystery to be worth it all.
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RE: Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)
@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@BobLoblaw said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Finally. We missed some really good conversations over the past few months.
You can say that again. Last few months I had to browse sites like WorstGen, en good grief, that wasn't really a fun experience given how immature most users were on there. Glad AP is back, so some reasonable discussion can be made again without mocking each other with stupid memes and mocking pictures.
@StrawHatJedi said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
As for Carrot, it really depends if we see her in next week's chapter. She didn't seem at all happy with her new position. She didn't have the final word / say in that scene and never actually accepted. The scene functions to remind her of Pedro's will, which has little to do with ruling Zou. He wanted to join the crew of the Pirate King. He was born too late to join Roger, and too early to join Luffy, but he passed on his will to Carrot. Carrot is right in that she's really not qualified to lead Zou, at least not right now. But more importantly, looking at the context clues in 1056, it's just.... strange. If this was meant to be the end of Carrot's character arc / adventure, he could have easily included one last panel on that page where she reluctantly agrees. But he didn't. Instead, she looks distressed and is left wondering, "Pedro..." Inu and Neko seem to assume the matter s closed, but Carrot's lack of response lends an uncertain / ambiguous note to the scene. Oda's going to have to revisit the topic later. Which, again, seems odd and unnecessary if this was meant to be it for Carrot.
I don't believe Oda will allow the Straw Hats to leave without any parting words to Carrot. I know she's not popular in this thread for some reason, but she joins a very small handful of characters to have sailed aboard the Straw Hat's ship to multiple islands, and I don't believe she would exit the narrative on such an uncertain and unceremonious note, "Pedro...".
This pretty much. The scene with Carrot was weird to say the least, and very out of left field, with no build up given to such a promotion. On other forums, like Reddit, people who don't like Carrot, even say this was a weird scene and doesn't fit the narrative.
Sites like mangahelpers and fanverse are also nice alternatives.
As for Carrot, her role as a Kingsbird/ruler’s aid has enough precursor to it for it not to be completely out of nowhere I’d say. It could have been built up more sure, but also prob didn’t distance herself from how she always cared about her fellow minks, in spite of the moments she had with Luffy and the others. I’m sure with enough help, Carrot, although a young sapling, can still lead the next generation of minks into the Dawn, like Pedro might have wanted.
Pedro's will was never really about rulling Zou specifically. Its also odd that scene wasn't given a full resolution. If it was a done thing with no doubt, that scene should have been finished with her accepting, not end with a cliffhanger.
She also didn't really "earn" this promotion, and she hasn't seen that much of the world, just Big Mom's island kingdom, that is all. This promotion was just thrusted upon on her out of nowhere. A lot of people, both those for and against Carrot for being a crew member in Luffy's crew agree that this scene was just super odd and very out of place.
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RE: Chapter 1061: Future Island Egghead
I said it once before, and I will say it again....Vegapunk is a brain stuck in a jar within a machine capable of creating multiple bodies for his mind to inhabit.
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RE: Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)
@pokebat7 said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Yeah, I only know of it cause I was reading the older discussions
Also Inurashi and Nekomamushi join Roger and Whitebeard's crews after stowing away on their ships. Narrative wise having Carrot run away from becoming Duchess makes sense, she seems a bit iffy on the idea. After Carrot hid on the Sunny, Wanda mentioned how she was mad for her sneaking off she just wanted to be told, so maybe if Carrot tells her she wants to join the strawhats she'll take the role as temp Duchess?
There's a two day timeskip, so who knows what happened in that time when it comes to the Minks. Knowing the Minks and how accepting they can be for most things, if Carrot took her time to state her doubts to Wanda, yeah, I don't think Wanda would oppose her desires to join with the Straw Hats.
In fact, given that the narrative has now put Carrot on the path to become Duchess of Zou, yet she doesn't feel ready for it....yet, traveling with the Straw Hats will undoubtedly give her the needed experiences to grow further and ultimately come to understand the meaning of Pedro's Will.
With those two things in mind, then yes, on that point, she will be fit to go back to Zou and rule the country as Duchess, or whenever she thinks and is convinced she's ready to take on that role.
Right now, however, she's not ready and she herself states this as such, and her words shouldn't be ignored.
On that said, if she is going to join, it will be through a stowaway stunt done by Carrot, and nothing else. She did it once, she can do it again.
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RE: Chapter 1096: Kumachi
Interesting to note that the Seiryuu/Azure Dragon fruit is called one of the strongest DFs out there, being in the same class as the Quake and Darkness Fruits. Seeing as the Seiryu got introduced, I hope we get to see the Black Tortoise, White Tiger and the Vermilion Bird.
As for who may have the left over Fruits:
- Black Tortoise - perhaps the Burned Man, seeing he's residing on a black ship and causes whirlpools to any ship that nears him.
- White Tiger - perhaps one of the Giant race
- Vermilion Bird - Marcus Mars of the Gorosei, given his shadowed form looked avian.
Another possibility, but unlikely is Shanks's sword, Gryphon, having the Suzaku fruit, and this is mainly due to the fact that in Film Red, his sword can be coated with an aura of flames and he generated an avian head of blue energy when he did that combination attack with Luffy against Tot Musica.
Of course, it has also been confirmed that Shanks doesn't use any DF at all, but I'm not sure if his sword eating one counts with that fact. I still think Marcus Mars is the safer guess.
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RE: The next arc: what will it be?
@Deicide said in The next arc: what will it be?:
I like the idea floating around that Law is going to Elbaf (so we meet him again there), Kid is going to Hachinosu and the SHs are going to Vira.
Poor Law. Thinking he's finally out of Luffy's shadow, only to get dragged back in just because Luffy went to the same island as him. Should be hillarious.
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RE: Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)
@BobLoblaw said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
So, it looks like we finally have an official wrap on Yamato as a potential SH. After two years, it's good to finally be able to say, "Told you so." I'm one of the few people who was never convinced that Yamato was anything more than a red herring and I said as much.
I'll admit that Oda did a great job of building up the character with just enough to get people thinking it was a done deal only to come back and say, "Nah fam." Since I was never onboard with the prospect, I have to say that seeing people disappointed in something that I always thought wouldn't happen anyway sure is odd.
July 5th 2020:
https://forums.arlongpark.net/post/3947651"Until last chapter there weren't really any NN candidates to speak of, but I guess now people will glom onto Yamato (though that character is still a red herring imo)."
July 26, 2020
https://forums.arlongpark.net/post/3952556"Or it's a conscious decision to allow people to get drawn in by the red herring known as Yamato instead. She/He's this arc's Paulie."
I've been fighting this battle for over two years now. I've dealt all kinds of slander because whenever I pointed things out that didn't add up, I got attacked or blocked. Well, today was a good day.
So what did I factor into my analysis that most people either didn't or chose to ignore? Well, here are the top 5 reasons why I was never convinced at Oda's obvious troll attempt. Some of them were based on practicality, one was based on Japanese folklore, and others were based on established in-universe "rules" that have existed in the series for years.
Practical Reasons
- Lack of Foreshadowing - One of the most glaring red flags that stood out to me first about Yamato as a character was that he seemingly came out of nowhere. Be honest. If I told you the chapter before he was mentioned that Kaido had a son, you would've laughed and said if he did, we would've heard about it sooner. We arrived at Wano in chapter 910. Yamato wasn't mentioned for the first time until 70 chapters into Wano.
After he was introduced, it felt like Oda went into overdrive trying to establish him as an important character. There's a phrase out there that goes, "You're doing too much." That's one of the reasons why I was immediately skeptical. This new character that came out of nowhere had a connection to Ace on Wano, was somehow tied to Kozuki Oden, was apparently "waiting" for Luffy, and asked to join him on his ship all within the first 2-3 chapters. All of that was way too convenient and I just knew that Oda was cooking up come red herring.
Aug 2, 2020
https://forums.arlongpark.net/post/3954085"A Nami-face, a design built on established characters, no foreshadowing, overlapping "Ace will take me to sea" story with Tama, and now a nickname from Luffy. Not sure what people are seeing that I'm not."
- Character Design - So after all of the extremely convenient setup that we got, once Yamato took his mask off, I was 110% sure that this was definitely a red herring. Was we got was a rather derivative design. I mean, the original design with the mask was interesting, but the second he took it off, we got "Nami-face," which was an immediate disqualifier. SHs all have unique faces and Yamato sharing a design so similar to Nami's was all I need. I immediately got Rebecca vibes. Besides the face, his design was a basic mix of Oden and Kaido, which was pretty uninspiring. Throw in the DF that looks remarkably like a sulong mink and it should've been even clear that this character wasn't planned for the long term as a SH.
Aug 2, 2020
https://forums.arlongpark.net/post/3954085"A Nami-face, a design built on established characters, no foreshadowing, overlapping "Ace will take me to sea" story with Tama, and now a nickname from Luffy. Not sure what people are seeing that I'm not."
In-Universe Reasons
- Lack of a role - Every character with the exception of Robin demostrated or had their skills referenced with respect to their ultimate role on the crew within the first 30 chapters of debuting. Yamato never did, which was yet another huge red flag. People resorted to making up stuff like cabin boy, brewer, logkeeper, apprentice and things like that. When you get to the point where you're guessing and speculating about a character's specific role, then you should stop to ask yourself why.
Jan 23, 2021
https://forums.arlongpark.net/post/3988515"Everyone who joins the SHs technically still has a role on the ship. Something unique to them. I see people mentioning things like "Apprentice" or "Boatswain" or whatever for Yamato, but looking at the rest of the crew, their roles were either shown explicitly by them or referenced by someone else within their first 20 chapters of debuting. Robin is the only exception that I can find."
- Strength - There are two wings of the PK and Yamato broke than dynamic. The SHs were never going to have anyone join that was demonstratably stronger than both Zoro and Sanji. Jinbe was consciously held back from joining until it was clear that both Zoro and Sanji were stronger than him in order to prevent that appearance.
For some reason, a lot of people still clung to the belief that Oda would break his own self-imposed rule just to accomodate a new character. I saw all kinds of rationalization about how Zoro cut Kaido, which somehow made him on par to people saying the SHs needed a strong character to take on Blackbread. The moment that Yamato was able to go toe to toe with Kaido in his strongest form and leave essentially unscathed, people should've known that him joining would disrupt a decades old power dynamic on the crew. This was another big red flag.
Jun 9, 2021
https://forums.arlongpark.net/post/4010893"Secondly, if he is to "sail with Luffy," then it really disrupts the power dynamic of the SHs. It would essentially make him the second strongest in the crew."
Folklore Reasons
- Guardian Deity of Wano Country Devil Fruit - This was biggest in-universe red flag and tons of people just flat out ingnored it because it wasn't convenient to what they wanted. Oda gave Yamato a devil fruit that specifically tied him to Wano for a reason.
People still went on and on about how he would still leave, but why in the hell would the person who ate the Guardian Diety of Wano DF not want anything to do with Wano? Chaka and Pell have DFs that are also considered guardian diety DFs and we know how they turned out. We were also told that zoan DFs have a will of their own, which again points to Yamato's DF choosing him.
Beyond that, his DF wasn't created out of thin air. It was based on Japanese folklore. In this case, from the story of Yamato Takeru. Yamato Takeru was the son of an emperor. In ancient times, a white wolf (Ooguchi no Magami) appeared to him. Yamato commanded the white wolf to stay behind to protect the land.
Aug 1, 2021
https://ralphhaussler.weebly.com/wolf-mythologie-japan.html"The wolf as god is above all worshipped under the name of Ooguchi no Magami, the "Large-Mouthed Pure God." Ancient historic accounts from Japan report this mythical story how the wolf deity, a white wolf, in times of need suddenly appeared to Yamato Takeru, son of Emperor Keikko. Takaru got lost on a road near Mitakesan when a local demon shapeshifted into a white deer and obstructed the road. The white wolf showed him the way and led his army on the right path and Takeru commanded the white wolf to stay in Mitakesan as a true god, in order to slay any local demons."
Aug 1, 2021
https://forums.arlongpark.net/post/4020821"As such, it would be really unusual to see the "Spirit Guardian" of a country ditching the country asap to go off and do their own thing."
So that's it. There was more obviously, but these five made my job much easier. I've been in countless back and forth conversations with people over the past two years trying to tell people why they should be skeptical, but more and more people chose to ignore every point that I brought up that went against the concept of Yamato joining. It's funny looking back now and seeing how many people actually took the bait...
@Kishido said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Yamato will join. Her role will be being the destroyer of fanfic M3 and wings… The dream a lot of people had since Robin will finally be archived
@Alfiere said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
I think this as a good time as any to (re)state that i (and i believe many others as well) don't think Yamato will join because he's a particularly likeable (i like him fine though) or in any way well handled charachter, but rather because if he doesn't anything about him till now would have been an enormous, meaningless waste of time.
After having him state hel'll join at every occasion, share meaningful moments with Luffy, being the only truly proactive actor on the alliance side in the entire raid, being on the cover of the 100th volume… how would any other outcome make sense or be even remotely satisfying?@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Luffy is going to get even cooler with the new Commander Trio he'll receive after Wano.
@Dorob333Neko said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
See the thing about Yamato is that Oda designed and wrote a new main character to be a new main character.
If he was just a Wano character, he would have been designed with that in mind instead. But that's not what happened. Oda just made a new main character and is not the asshole you want him to be with red herrings. Because that would be a huge waste of our time and insulting.
This is truly like fighting that Chopper would not be joining after reading all of Drum Island but have yet to see him get on the boat.
The sadder thing is people will still be doubting Yamato after his cheers with the crew on the boat.
@Zhenja said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
So, you are dismissing what's being told us in the story because you don't like it.
Nice way to analyze anything.Says the guy who ignores Yamato stating she wants to sail with Luffy on every possible occasion…
Great fucking analytic skills...
@Zik said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
LOL @ Yamato being like Vivi.
Have we gotten to the point where fan fiction is being used to support arguments now?
There's plain as day evidence in the manga of Yamamoto saying he wants to leave, saying he will leave, proclaiming he'll leave with Luffy. Where is there any implication he wants to stay in Wano? That any part of his dreams require him to be like Vivi when it was time for the strawhats to leave?
A lot of struggle for the Yamato wont join side.
In order to avoid getting duped like this in the future, my advice would be to remain objective and don't just listen to the words a character says. Look at everything and be more like me. :)
Really awesome to know you spend two years struggling against the idea of Yamato joining and ending up winning the argument. That takes a lot of gusto to maintain. I'm not sure I could have done the same.
That said, let me add one more reasons for Yamato not having ended up joining Luffy's crew. When this special fact got confirmed, I had my doubts of Yamato joining, but i didn't completely write the character off yet.
I'm talking about the power of Conqueror's Haki. I'm going to say this now...no Yonko crew, old or new, has more than two Conqueror's Haki users. Having Conqueror's Haki means that character is downright powerful, if not the most powerful among their respective crew, depending who they are.
For the Yonkos, prior to Blackbeard, three of the four original Yonko each have/had exactly TWO Conqueror's Haki users, not more, not less:
Whitebeard Pirates:
- Whitebeard/Edward Newgate
- Portgas D. Ace
Big Mom Pirates:
- Big Mom/Charlotte Linlin
- Charlotte Katakuri
Beast/Animal Kingdom Pirates:
- Kaido
- Yamato (Yamato was Kaido's child, so yeah)
While not classed as a Yonko crew themselves, even the Roger Pirates only limited themselves to having two Conqueror's Haki users, that being Roger and Rayleigh. Now we can argue that the Roger Pirates are the exception, and maybe they are, given Shanks has Conqueror's, and was part of Roger's said crew, although we never saw him use CH as a kid, but as a adult, awakened that power and formed the Red Haired Pirates later on.
That said, coming to the Red Haired Pirates in question, besides knowing Shanks has Conqueror's Haki, I will take a guess and say Ben Beckmann will have it too, given he's said to be equal to Shanks in strength, if not renown. If so, this once again would match that the strongest crews have only two CH users, and not more than that, with one CH user being the absolute bare minimum.
Then we get Luffy's crew, newly ascended to the Yonko rank. Guess what, Luffy himself, as well Zoro have Conqueror's Haki, no one else, once again matching the other 2 person setups of the other Yonko crews. On this point, given we know Yamato has Conqueror's too due to Kaido's lineage, this would have made Luffy's crew extremely powerful, if not maybe unbalanced, had Yamato indeed joined said crew.
Couple this with the fact that Luffy's DF is also Mythical Zoan, the same type that Yamato has, just hammers this point more, because I believe no high level crew will ever have more than one Mythical Zoan on their team, mainly given how this type of fruit is the rarest type in the verse.
Now, the only wildcards in this, is of course Buggy's crew, as well Blackbeard Pirates for the latter was never shown to have Conqueror power. Given they are a Yonko level crew however, I expect some of them, if not Teach himself to have Conqueror's too.
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RE: Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)
@Ivotas said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@Deicide said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Strawhat Jedi's logic is very good:
- We didn't see Carrot's decision
- Carrot's apparent conclusion does not fit her character arc
- Pedro's will is vague enough to mean "keep going with Luffy"
- We didn't see Carrot's farewell
What's against it is the huge amount of off-screening Wano got, specially in its conclusion.
Under normal circunstances, the chances of Carrot popping up would be overwhelmingly good.
But Wano's ending is just so underwhelmingly put together that it could have been Carrot's conclusion and we are just meant to take it as done.
If she doesn't pop up in the next chapters to clarify either outcome, God knows when her supporters will feel like all the chances have been spent.
I for one wouldn't be happy if Carrot indeed got offscreened like Hyogoro did, and didn't get a conclusion to that answer. It wouldn't be any different from the people that put all their bets on Yamato, only get a tomato splat onto their faces.
That said, to be honest, I have already pretty much given up on any chances of Carrot reappearing, because I can't think of a scenario that calls her to step out of her hiding place.
I love to be surprised though...so who knows?
I'm pretty much in the same boat. I'd be lying if I'd say I'm not still hoping that she has stowed away a second time. But it also comes across as my just not wanting to let go, so I'm already expecting this not to be the case.
I agree though that she would totally be treated dirty if that was the last we saw of her at this part in the story. For somebody who stowed away on the Sunny and experienced the wonders and dangers of the world for the very first time thanks to and together with the Strawhats, it's totally unforgiveable that we didn't get even a single panel where they say 'bye'.
Everybody who travelled with the Strawhats got a good bye scene be it the very big one with Vivi or a small one with Johnny and Yosaku who said, that they'll be going their own ways again. Carrot definitely deserves a good bye, but Wano really offscreened a lot.
Also the entire King of the Minks thing is a red herring at best and a cop out at worst. It feels totally undeserving and unearned. Not that she's not worth to become king in the future as an adult. But right now it comes totally out of the left field as if Oda has to conclude her arc somehow by giving her something (that's the copout). Of course the chances are that it's a red herring to throw the readers off because by the time it was brought up Oda still went Yamato route.
Either way, the entire king thing rubbs me the wrong way. It hasn't even to do with Carrot not joining. I just find it totally unfair to her. She also wanted to see the wonders of the world, just like Yamato. And while Carrot got some glimpses of Tottoland and Wano, there's still far more out there. Ok, she has already seen more different islands than Yamato but a) Yamato is free to leave and b) for Yamato experiencing Wano is already a completely new experience from being imprisoned in Onigashima. Carrot on the other hand now has to stay behind at Zou so that Inu and Neko can be at Wano. That's a very selfish dick move from the two.
Strawhat or not, I'd be happy if the girl actually rejected that offer and revived the Nox Pirates. That would fit her adventurous free spirit more than staying behind to rule a country. It's already rough to have a child like Momo rule a country but that was his birthright and he's always been prepared to do this, no matter how hard it is. But for Carrot it's "oh by the way, you're the new ruler of the country (so that you can stay chained here, while we are hanging around with our Sake loving frinds in Wano)". Not happy about that development at all.
Oh I agree with the idea its a cop out, and that Neko and Inu are dumbasses at best, given they should know by now how Carrot values the Straw Hats. They have Wanda and loudmouth Shishilan to do their thing if they like to stay on Wano so much...which on itself is selfish.
If they can be that selfish, then Carrot can be so too. Don't get me wrong, I love the idea she can get to become Queen of Zou....but not like this. Something like this, has to be rightfully earned, and if people think that she doesn't earn to be a Straw Hat....she's even less quailified to be royality out of nowhere.
I mean, holy hell, we are talking about a girl who mistakes natural lightning for Electro.
On that said, I don't see her creating a crew or reviving the Nox Pirates. It requires leadership quailities. Quailities she doesn't have, or else her "promotion" would have made sense.
Now maybe Oda is planning some wacked out scene for her to join....maybe at a Full Moon scenario where they are in a dangerous situation, so all the Straw Hats can see her Sulong form in action....given only Chopper, Nami, Brook and Jinbei saw it, and not the rest, like Luffy, who hasn't seen any Sulongs at all, but that is really the only thing I can think up reasonably why she hasn't yet showed herself, just yet.
If so, I'd prefer this a lot, so its not just a simple stowaway action.
What I find so special about Carrot's Sulong form, is that it doesn't just make her faster and stronger, but she also gets a growth spurt and gets a more adult voice, as compared to her jolly, youthful self.
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RE: Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)
@Deicide said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
If Hancock were to join....she'd be kicking Chopper constantly.
Nami is constantly beating crewmates up.
Zoro and Sanji are constantly squabbling.These are just personality traits played for laughs. It would be no different there.
(Also, I don't think that particular behavior would be a recurring joke, since it's part of her "cold empress" facade. I can see it playing once or twice before she gets to know Chopper as a person rather than a pet)
@Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
That, and Hancock only has interest in one person, and that is Luffy, to the point of obsession.
Well, she hasn't really met the crew yet. Aside from Jinbe, that is.
The jokes around Nami and Zoro/Sanji arent exactly the same as Hancock's thing to kick cute animals. I don't believe its something that will fade away. That is like saying "Sanji's lovestruck thing will end eventually." and we see nothing of the sort in that area.
As for getting used to the crew...first off, she needs to leave her own people. She's established royality, empress/queen of Amazon Lily. There would have to be a good reason for her to leave her people like that. Sure, she could give rule to her sisters...but nothing in the story has hinted as such.
We are also in the endgame. Her suddenly appearing onto the crew would need to be written really well. I don't see it happening. What I do see happening, especially now that Luffy is a Emperor, is Hancock putting her nation under his flag.
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RE: Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)
@Ivotas said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
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@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
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@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
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@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@Ivotas said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@Ivotas said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
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@Shiebs said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
I was never sold on Yamato until he literally told the crew he would travel with them then I completely fell for it
That was actually the part where I actually started getting doubts again after I was sold on the "at least a team up" aspect. Unlike any other Strawhat, Yamato has been forcing herself on the crew completely. One might argue that Robin also invited herself but she at least was polite enough to ask Luffy and then explain the reasoning that she has nowhere else to go.
Yamato on the other hand has declared across several occations, like when confronting Kaido that she will join Luffy. No Strawhat Pirate was that adamant about joining before they actually became a member of the crew. Heck, almost everybody refused it in one way or the other. Even Brook who said "yes" at first paddled back on that because of the issue with his shadow.
Also my memory is a bit iffy on that matter. But Luffy actually ever invite her to literally become a part of her crew? I'm sure that he told her to go out and see the world when this entire "you're free" thing came up. But I don't remember if he invited her or not.
Yamato actually fits with the sort of pattern of the women of the crew approaching Luffy instead of the other way around, Nami suggesting she team up with Nami in Orange Town and Robin inviting herself onto the ship with the demand that Luffy take responsibility for saving her even though she was fine with dying in the tomb.
Her refusal also goes along with previous people refusing Luffy in some way, or opposing him in some way in regards to the crew, amusingly.
Nami suggested a co-operation to take advantage of Luffy's strong muscle when taking on Buggy. She had no intention of joining his crew. Also the panel you just posted has her say "no way!" to Luffy's invitation to become this crewmate. She suggested a cooparation, she didn't ask to join the crew. That proposition first came from Luffy.
Also the Usopp and Robin parts don't belong in here. Both are from a time when they considered leaving the crew. But they already were full fledged Strawhat Pirates by then.
With all due respect, it still doesn’t change how Nami approached Luffy first, and that Usopp and Robin refused/opposed Luffy at some point in their lives in regards to the crew.
Of course it does. Many people approach Luffy and ask him for co-operation respectively help in achieving their goal.
Yeah, I'd agree that's true, in wanting to gain more freedom and Luffy helping achieve that from that start in removing Yamato's cuffs, free to go whenever she wants, including to Laugh Tale.
In comparison Yamato was a lot more strong in expressing that wish before we even reached the climax of the story.
That felt always a bit weird. Yes, people said that she needs and will bond with Luffy. And yes, that even happened. They definitely bonded. But the desire to set sail with Luffy came before the bond already. I would even say, she wanted to set sail with Luffy before she even met him based on how Ace spoke about his little brother and whatever little news she might have gotten about Luffy's exploits. That why Yamato expressing the desire to join Luffy before actually really have bonded with him felt lesser organic and a weak form of bond.
I honestly found that refreshing, since most people reject Luffy as soon as he brings up being a pirate to them, so I felt it was refreshing to see it be the other way around in someone who's actually excited for once at the idea of joining him, only to still refuse him anyway, but still have it be open to take up the offer to be a pirate with him at any time.
Oh it definitely was refreshing, no argument there. But was also why it never felt to me like Yamato would be a fullfledged Strawhat pirate, whether she tags along or not.
Well, I'd still see Yamato as part of crew in any case she liked spending time with them just as much as they liked spending time with her. I wouldn't like anything trivial like time get in the way of that either for me.
Many people liked spending time with the Strawhats and vice versa. That does not make them part of the crew.
Saying "I consider X character part of the crew" is not an argument because if there's any value to it, then literally anybody else here on the forum can make the same claim and replace Yamato with any character they deem worthy. Oda decides who's part of the crew. Not the fandom. Yamato is not. And so isn't Carrot (for now).
That said, it's still a basic requirement for the readers themselves that if a character were to join the crew on a permanent basis, that character needs to be familar with the crew on some level.
People say its not really needed, but it is. Luffy is the most important factor of course, but with a crew at his size and how often than not they tend to manage Luffy instead of the other way around, they have a say in the matter too.
Oh, I wasn't saying that it's not an important factor. Quite the contrary. I agree that it is an essential part to interact with the as many crewmembers as possible as the chemistry between characters and how the bond.
What I was disagreeing with is the "I'd still see Yamato as part of crew in any case she liked spending time with them" statement as this is clearly now how it works. It's super subjective and does not reflect what Oda has clearly decided about who the main cast is. If we allow this as a valid requirment to define a Strawhat Pirate crewmate then I can also say, that I see Carrot as part of the crew because she liked spending time with them. And I can top this off by saying that Carrot even sailed with the Strawhats.
But it doesn't end there. Someone else could say "I see Law as part of the crew because he didn't mind spending time with them and also sailed with them. Even longer than Carrot did". But wait, it doesn't end here either, one might say the same thing about Momo and Kinnemon in which case this becomes a dick measuring contest, which creates a lot more Strawhat Pirates than there actually are.
It's ok to like a character and to want them to be part of the crew. But saying "I consider X character to be part of the crew" ultimately comes down to being nothing else but headcanon.
Correct. Ultimately Oda is the one to decide who joins the crew and who doesn't. Its commonly known however, that interaction with the crew, negative of positive, is a common known requirement. So it goes hand in hand really.
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RE: Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)
@Deicide said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@Galleon-Panthera Dude, erase that right now.
Oh sorry, I didn't figure out I was doing "that". Thanks for the warning
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RE: Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World)
@electricmastro said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
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@theackwardstation said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
In my opinion, Carrot's chances to join the crew have ended this chapter. Days have passed since they left Wano, Carrot's nowhere in sight, it doesn't make sense for her to still be inside a barril, so that's it.
And I subscribe to the notion that the revelation of Luffy's dream to his crewmates gives off the vibe of the SH crew being finally complete. It's not only the fact itself in vacuum, but the timing in general, happening just as Jimbe's finally aboard the Sunny for his first travel, just as the final saga starts, and how sacred this moment feels after more than a thousand chapters to land.
There's an argument that Yamato's chances to comeback are still intact though, and I agree that his chances to rejoin the group are still good due to chapter 1000.
Nah...after the stuff with Carrot, I'm absolutely not putting any faith in any ideas for a new Crewmate anymore. That also includes Yamato. In fact, given how there was a reaction shot to the Sunny, and how the ship is also considered a crewmate, pretty much already tells me that the crew is complete.
I will say it here and now, and this will be my easiest prediction yet....there will no new crewmate at all anymore. We are in the Endgame now, so all the pieces have to be complete now and have been put in their right places.
So no Yamato, no Hancock, no Bonney, no Urouge, absolutely no one is joining anymore. This is pretty much it. People can disagree with me if they want, that is fine, but this is where I stand, pretty much.
Well I guess there should be no more threads about crewmates ever again then.
I'm not saying no one is allowed to have other choices. If you want, you can keep continuing on the discussion. That is fine. But for me, personally, I'm done with the theorizing or whatever. That is why I'm saying no one is joining anymore. The crew is final in my eyes.
If you still think Yamato is joining or someone else entirely, more power to you. For me, I'm pretty much done.
At this point, I just want the story's mysteries getting revealed one after the other, rather than thinking about something like "the next crewmate". Hell, how long are we going to wait until we FINALLY see Vegapunk's design and his character shine instead of all these vague hints we have been getting?
To me, that is more important now than anything else. Give me the answers to the yet-to-be-solved mysteries of the OPverse.
Well, then I suppose we won't being you around this thread then, based on what you're saying, I guess?
If that's the truth, then see ya later. lol
Pretty much, given its a very reasonable stance to take at this point. We are at the Endgame after all. At this point, I'm more excited at getting any old and new mysteries revealed about the series, rather than theorizing who the next crewmate is going to be.
Luffy revealing his crew his dream in this chapter even strengthens my position more. I mean...Im happy to admit defeat if someone does end up joining....I just don't think its in the cards anymore. So take it how you will.