Posts made by DarthEnder

I exchanged One Piece for Tokyo Ghoul?

Goddamnit…

Ah, alright then.

@Kitsune:

Can we please put this bullshit retentionist talk to rest once and for all?

I was just catching up on this thread and felt like pointing out that you were like, literally, the ONLY person talking about this for PAGES, unless whoever you were arguing with had their posts deleted or something.

Haha, yeah, they butchered that intro. Sucks cause it's one of the best ones.

@Shift:

There are gonna be recap eps eventually anyway.

That's true. There's totally that part in the middle of the Enies Lobby arc where everyone is all lined up that the series goes into, like, a 5 episode recap of the personal backstories of all the Strawhats up until that point.

Personally, I think their choice of starting points is a smart one.

Picking the point of switch-over to HD means everything is going to look great(those original episodes of One Piece look pretty rrough now).

Plus, it's a short trip from 207 to the Water 7/Enies Lobby arcs. Which are two of the most interesting, exciting, character and world developing arcs in the entire series.

Not to mention, Opening 5 is still probably my favorite one in the series.

So, quick question. Has there been any talk about releasing One Piece from the switch to HD on in Blu-ray yet? Or does anime pretty much just not do that?

Also, I've officially switched to buying the Collections now instead of the Voyages. Any word on when 9 is coming out?

Heh, I came here looking for DVD info and saw the new title of this thread.

Awesome news. For a brief period at least, One Piece, Naruto and Bleach are all going to be on the same television block. And that is, frankly, beyond awesome.

I hope it gets the audience it deserves this time.

I own all of season one, all of season two except for the 7th Voyage(because it's all filler) and all of season three except for 5th Voyage(because it's all filler).

I don't own the 8th movie(because, why bother).

I pretty much waited till the price on a volume dropped to $25 before I bought it. Because $45 for 13 episodes is stupid.

@Elan_Morin:

Of this I was unaware…in any case, As I said before, I've not seen Naruto, so I can't comment on it, but the break between Dragonball and Dragonball Z is a clean enough one that a person can watch one without watching the other and not be lost or confused with the story. This doesn't seem to be the case with One Piece. Can anyone verify for me whether this is the case with Naruto? Is there a clean break in there?

The break in Naruto series coincides with the series first large time skip(3 years). The break between DB and DBZ accompanied both a time skip and a focus shift in the series.

It would make sense if One Piece's first large time skip also resulted in a new series title.

Hey everyone.

Last week my Amazon pricewatch site informed me that most of the Season Three volumes finally dropped to my desired price so I went and ordered them finally.

At which point I figure, "Well, since I have Season 3 now, it's time to put Season 4 onto the pricewatch."

Then I notice there is no season 4 to add.

What manner of deal is this?

Disclaimer: Yes, I fucking know One Piece was on sale recently. I bought several volumes during it. And I own ALL the One Piece volumes in the first two seasons.

@AMS:

Dude this makes no sense, I literally have no idea what you are trying to say here.

I'm giving shit to people who are being assholes to the people who think $40 bucks is too much for a volume of One Piece.

Especially since, when you act like an asshole to someone for wanting to wait till it's cheaper, presumably because you think they should be supporting Funimation more, all they end up doing is pissing off the person to the point where they don't buy them at all out of spite.

In a nutshell, what I'm trying to say is, "When you act like an asshole to someone who's actually supporting One Piece because they aren't supporting it soon enough, all your gonna do is make that person stop supporting One Piece entirely just to fuck YOU. So stfu and be glad those people are buying DVDs at least and stop giving them shit."

@Zach:

Have you ever heard of a series called Big Windup? FUNimation released the first season on DVD, but all of their fans had pretty much your attitude: "why should I pay the full/discounted immediate price when I can just wait and get it even cheaper?" Well what ended up happening to that series is that it got cancelled because everyone waited to buy the DVDs. Now fans of that series will miss out on a dub of Season 2 and FUNimation will in all likelihood never have interest in a series of that genre for a long, long time.

That sounds like it's Funimations problem, as clearly, they priced that series above what almost the entirety of it's fanbase was willing to pay. If the fanbase was as big as you imply, then clearly it would have been a success if Funimation has priced it cheaper to begin with.

So either A. It's the series' fault for being shitty and not actually having fans to begin with or B. It's funimations fault for charging too much. At no point is a series failure the customers fault.

That's true with everything. If something doesn't sell, it's either because it wasn't good, or it was too expensive. You don't blame the goddamn customers for not wanting your shitty/overpriced product.

@Mikey:

Uuh, there are plenty of places that have them on sale for about $20 right now.

But whatever. Keep up the ignorance and lack of contributing.

I know, I've already bought all of season two and said so in this thread. Keep up the lack of reading.

I'm not bitching about not being able to get them at a reasonable price(the price always comes down eventually), I'm bitching at the people who give other people shit for not wanting to pay the release price like they're somehow ripping off Funimation by waiting till the price actually becomes reasonable.

@Darkstorm:

I also love "it's too expensive so I'll steal it".

But then entitlement bawler's always make me laugh.

It always makes me laugh when someone rolls their eyes at people acting entitled when the entitled people actually get what they want. It's one thing to scoff at someone thinking they should get something for free when they aren't able to get it. But scoffing at someone who's actually getting something for free that your paying for?

It's like trying to be elitest over someone who's bitching about not having a pool when they already have one, while you yourself don't.

Granted, the guy with the pool bitching about not having a pool is still dumb, but trying to act like you're better than that guy is just as dumb because…that guy has a pool and you don't.

Just like it's dumb to scoff at people who want free One Piece when those people are already getting free One Piece.

@Demon:

An Episode of One Piece costs a lot of money to dub, I think it was somewhere around 10,000. Plus whatever they had to pay Toei for the rights in the first place, which aren't usually a low amount considering it's Fucking Toei.

And people tend to forget that FUNimation does all this work ALONE.

When you watch the Simpsons, as it ends you see "20th Century Fox" and "Gracie Films". And then there's the 1000s of pieces of product placement and endorsements The Simpsons has.
When you watch Futurama, it ends with "30th Century Fox", "The Curiosity Company"
Fox's House M.D. is produced by Heel & Toe Films, Shore Z Productions, Bad Hat Harry Productions, and NBC Universal Television Group.

They SHARE the cost and share ALL of the revenue including Ad Revenue and DVD sales.

And then there's Syndication.

Even if DVDs were never released, the Simpsons would still have made the creators MILLIONS Of Dollars on its own. It's Syndicated Everywhere. The CW still shows it, Fox shows old episodes. They still make ad revenue on that. Even old episodes.

Plus, the Simpsons (as an example, but this is true of EVERYTHING produced domestically) is owned and released on DVD by the people who made it (Fox and Gracie Films) So everything they make goes straight to them.

I think I have the thing that will just kill your argument flat.

The Simpsons was produced in 1989. The first DVD release happened in 2001. That's 11-12 years.
What, was the company just making nothing on the show up until then?
No, they were making a LOT of money on Ad revenue, product placements, endorsements, etc etc. They were CERTAINLY making enough to not have to do any home releases of entire seasons for more than a decade. They were making so incredibly much money that the Voice cast fought and successfully got incredibly high pay raises, years before the DVD release started.

You don't seem to understand that, Ad revenue, product placement, etc etc is enough on its own to make the company a profit COMPLETELY WITHOUT a DVD release. The DVDs are just a way to make EVEN MORE Profit.

The Daily Show with Jon Stewart and the Colbert Report have never been released in "Season" sets, the most you'll ever get from either of those shows is the OCCASIONAL "Best of" DVDs.

How the fuck does that show stay on the air if it can't have a DVD Release?!
By your logic, they're just like FUNimation and they NEED that DVD Release to make any money at all.

The answer is, they stay on the air because they make PLENTY OF money WITHOUT A DVD release, through ad revenue, product placement, etc, etc.

FUNimation can do NONE of that. Pretty much ALL Of their revenue from One Piece COMES DIRECTLY FROM THE DVD SALES!
They can't let Luffy sell Candy Bars on commercials. They can't digitally add a George Foreman Grill into Sanji's kitchen. They can't have Nami's Baby Telesnail have the Apple logo and say "iSnail" on it.

And they most certainly can't make ANYTHING off of a TV run.

ANY TV show you watch that's been around for a season or two, I guarantee you, not just showing on one channel.
Scrubs is canceled, it no longer airs new episodes. It still makes everyone money from Ads on Comedy Central, The CW and WGN are all showing MULTIPLE Episodes of Scrubs several times a day all week. Every single one of those showings makes the company money.

THAT is why they can afford to make the DVDs cheaper than FUNi does.

The closest domestic equivalent to the situation FUNimation is in, are the Futurama movies (AKA: Season 6)

The movies are direct-to-DVD affairs. They were EVEN AIRED ON TV (after the fact) with the rest of the run which generates Ad revenue. And they EVEN have Product placement that generates revenue too. (Zapp Brannigan had to stop to fix his XM Satellite radio in one)
The movies were produced as 16 episodes that fit together as movies (and can be separated for a later broadcast)
The MSRP on each is $29.99, you can get them for about $20 each at Amazon. That's $20 for 4 episodes worth of content. That means if you buy just 3 of them, which is 13 episodes worth of Content (The same as One Piece's sets are) you're being charged $90 MSRP and about $60 if you go to the right online store. And again, that is with a TV Broadcast and Ad revenue that happened later.
Vs. One Piece which is $50 MSRP and is $20-$35 actual price depending on where you go.

(I know I kept bringing up the Simpsons, but it's the perfect example because it's about as long as One Piece and it's just about as popular here as OP is in Japan.)

So Yes, FUNimation has a very good reason for having to charge a very reasonable price for One Piece.

Well tough shit for them. I'm not paying more than $25 for a volume.

And if they don't like it, I can just keep my money entirely and go back to watching fansubs.

@Charagon:

I guess in Texas dub actors are all volunteers, recording equipment grows on trees, and DVD production facilities fall from the friggin sky.

Yeah, the cost of recording a language track is totally an excuse to double the cost of your product…

I was able to finish out my Season Two collection.

Dunno the reason for the sale, but glad for it.

@Demon:

Uum… yes there is...
Those Television DVDs are collections of TV shows that already had a TV Broadcast that the companies putting them out got money for. (through Ad Revenue) The cost of the DVDs is just icing on the cake.

That's why The Futurama Movies each have the same MSRP (29.99) as the 13-24 Episode Season sets despite only having 4 episodes' worth of material on them.
This happened because they were released on DVD First with the bulk of their revenue expected to be gained from the DVDs rather than ad revenue, the TV Broadcast of the movies was an afterthought.

One Piece hasn't been on TV in a LONG time, and the only part that aired on TV (That FUNimation was involved with) was Skypiea, which the DVDs have only JUST gotten to.

It's all to make a profit, you put media out there to get money.
Television shows get their money from Ad Revenue, which FUNimation can't do because This show is Not on Television.

The commercials and product placement are mostly what make them their money, so they can afford to charge a little less than FUNi does.

FUNi doesn't have that option for 99% of their series'. And the 1% they do (Dragon Ball Kai) the ad revenue has to be shared with Nicktoons. And even then, they can't do ANY Product placement, which is usually a decent chunk of money. The Last Futurama Movie had plenty of product placement, including but not limited to: XM Satellite Radio and TiVo.

When you see Zoro drinking a mug full of Booze saying "Gee, I sure do Love Captain Morgan", then you can claim they have "Absolutely no reason" to charge this much.

The thing you are conveniently forgetting is that Funimation, while they don't get any income from television airing at the moment, also isn't PAYING any of the money it costs to actually MAKE the program. Yes, they pay a licensing cost, but that's not as much as Toei pays to make it.

@Demon:

Yes, because there is no such thing as an American TV season with only 13-16 episodes that costs more than a One Piece DVD currently does.

Oh, Wait

And the first one has been out for a LOOOOOOOT Longer than One Piece, has only a $10 less MSRP (40 instead of 50) and is currently about $3-$5 more than any Season 1 or 2 One Piece DVD.

The other only has 11 episodes, they're only 1/2 an hour each, and it STILL currently costs about a buck more than the Season 1 and 2 voyages of One Piece do.

Great, you want a medal for sifting through Amazon to find two examples out of a hundred that support your argument instead of the reverse?

I especially like how you picked out the ONE season of Scrubs that was cut short, but is charged the same as the other seasons, when all the other seasons of the exact same series support what I was saying.

@Demon:

One Piece is dirt cheap compared to how Anime USED to be… seriously...
I'm a Hellsing fan, and I remember when the 13 episode TV series cost $130... and even the newer OVAs are $20-30 for ONE 45 minute episode. So yeah... One Piece... not expensive in the least.

Yes it is. Just because there's other anime that's so expensive you'd have to be completely retarded to pay full price for it doesn't mean that One Piece isn't so expensive you'd still have to be kinda dumb to pay full price for it.

There's absolutely no reason why anime should cost more than any other television DVDs. You can get a full season(20-25 episodes) of any hour long current show for 30-40 bucks depending on the show. The fact that One Piece wants you to pay the same amount for 13 half hour episodes is a complete ripoff.

It doesn't matter if other anime costs more. It just means those shows are an even bigger ripoff.

That said, for whatever reason, all of the Season Two dvd's are in the low 20s all of a sudden this week. Must be some kind of sale, because some of them were in the 40s last week. Fortunately, I have a site set up to email me automatically when they drop below 25 bucks. So I was just now finally able to order Voyage 5 and 6.

@Zach:

Well I'm a fan of two pieces, personally.

My personal choice is a single piece divided into 8 smaller pieces.

@DRAGONPIECEZ:

maybe since they are done releasing the first season, Funi will make a collectible set of all 4 voyages in a boxed bundle like mentioned above….but if that does not happen, how would you go about making your own collectible box?

I wouldn't. I'd just line all the individual DVD cases up on the shelf and get rid of the boxes they come in now.

I can't tell you how absolutely awesome it is that they put all 3 of the awful Post-Alabasta filler arcs into a single volume all by themselves.

In thanks, I promise to spent the money I'm going to save by not having to buy that volume on some other quality Funimation product!

In the future, I hope they put all filler arcs in their own volumes!(which probably won't happen because I don't think they ever do a full volume's worth of filler again in the series).

@grandjedi:

Is Funimation really going with the misspelling of "Blackbeard Teech" just like Viz? Its so stupid, not only because they misspell Teach but also because it ignores the fact that "Blackbeard" is his title/nickname.

How is that any different than the dozens of characters that refer to Luffy as "Strawhat Luffy"?

When you say "Don't wait for the SD" do you mean you aren't making one?

Ahh, finally, Season 2 Volumes 2-4 dropped to 25 bucks.

@wintergt:

I wish more fansubbers would add blood where it is supposed to be. It would make the current ID arc more realistic too.

Lol, that episode of Bleach was just on TV tonight where Ichigo and Orihime are fighting Yami and when he hits them, huge rivers of saliva come pouring out of there mouths.

I never even read the manga and I could tell that was edited for TV.

Lol, "Queers never die!" Classic.

Goddamn, I swear the prices of the One Piece DVDs are going back UP.

Pain in the ass.

Does Amazon have some kind of feature where I mark a product to be watched and when the price on it comes down, I get an email or something?

Both those links still go to the .flv file?

Same here. Error message.

Finally, the price on 2-1 dropped from 40 bucks to 25.

Order placed!

@Demon:

So far… Haki is the only weeaboo term FUNi uses...

With Fansubs you still have to put up with "Nakama", "Gomu Gomu no", "Hebihime-sama", "Sanjyuuroku Pondo Hou" (even Though he's already saying "Pound" in English) "Baka", "Ossan", "Nii-san" and of course, ANNOYING FLASHY KARAOKE EFFECTS!!!

Every fansub out there now does at least one or two of these things. And they're ALL more annoying and happen more often than Haki.

Well, when you consider that Haki is probably Once Piece's chakra/ki/nen, and none of those other series translate those words into English, it makes sense that they didn't translate it.

I mean, Funimation also does Dragonball, it's not like Goku runs around yelling "Turtle Striking Wave!"

And nobody thinks that's weaboo. It just sounds stupid in english is all.

Like I said in the other thread:

@DarthEnder:

The simulcast is shitty quality.

I click the link for the episode. Click play. And maybe click whatever banner they have on the page.

I consider that giving them my "support". It's not like they can tell if I watched the whole thing or not.

Then I download a nice HD version when it comes out from fansubbers. Ideally, somone who just copied the Funi tranlation and pasted it into an HD raw.

That becomes my archive copy.

@Thousand:

Switching words around to make them grammatically correct or give a correct syntax. The problem is Gear Second is the name of an attack and you don't switch that around. That's like switching a person's name.

Which we do. In every Dub ever made. Glad you're paying attention.

The only reason anyone this that Gear Second "just sounds right" is because that's how you heard it first. If you heard it as 2nd Gear first, Gear Second just sounds ridiculous.

It's obvious what the intention is. When Luffy activates a Gear he's switching up to the next level.

It's also probably a rubber=tires=cars pun knowing how Oda names things.

The simulcast is shitty quality.

I click the link for the episode. Click play. And maybe click whatever banner they have on the page.

I consider that giving them my "support". It's not like they can tell if I watched the whole thing or not.

Then I download a nice HD version when it comes out from fansubbers. Ideally, somone who just copied the Funi tranlation and pasted it into an HD raw.

That becomes my archive copy.

@Kairouseki:

Maybe, I don't know, the fact that it was Gear Second in UA? Oh and the fact that there's NO REASON to :ermm: .

Other than, you know, translating right?

I can't understand people who didn't think Gear Second wasn't going to be translated as Second Gear. I mean, really? REALLY people? How dense do you have to be to not get that.@LUFFY#1:

Has anyone noticed there have been no rips yet! I am liking this

There's one out now.

But he's not a pirate.

Family jewels. That is an inspired translation! Well done.@Dr.Octagon:

Let me put it another way. There are a hundred euphemisms for testicles. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that you possessed some testicles and understood the joys thereof. Would you choose a descriptor for said testes that sounded like they were two glass rocks tinkling together, or two heavy, golden orbs that hang low and swing like two big round heavy things? In terms of visual analogy, which one sounds more awesome, more grand, more suited to a Pirate King? More Epic?

You do realize that the joke doesn't work if the translation isn't something valuable right?

Where's the poll option for "I don't care what you do! Somebody just release 408 already!!"?

Anyone know where I can find a desktop size version of DRAGONPIECEZ signature?

http://apforums.net/member.php?u=15471

@mrjpark:

There are a couple other things to take into account. Fansubs would keep going whether or not the Funimation streaming was successful or not for really one main reason; a lot of One Piece fans live in Europe and were left with the short end of the stick. A fair number of Nakama's staff (including our founder) are spread around the world and were left without any other options.

Yes, but what you would be watching would not be a fansub. It would just be a copy of Funi's sub that someone uploaded.

@captain:

damn internet pirate. if your reading this, we're all gonna come hunt you down and beat you. the anime industry is trying to do something positive, and you go and ruin it for everyone. good job

Oh my god. What are you six?

@Malintex_Terek:

This presumes people actually want the stream.

I can only speak for the people I know. Everyone in my circle of friends watches Naruto/One Piece/Bleach every week, but I'm the only one that downloads them and burns them to discs. The rest of them just watch streams.

@fdein:

I don't see why you take it as a bad thing. Fansubs dying that is.

I don't. At least, not for a series in which the provider is doing everything right. But so far, Funi isn't doing everything right. Hence, I still had to DL a fansub this week.

@desiboy:

HD quality? Really? That's sick.

No, they DON'T do HQ, which is why Funi subs WON'T completely kill off One Piece fansubs.

But if they did have all 3, the simulcast, the HD quality, the professional translation, One Piece fansubs would simply cease to exist.

People who still want to DL it for purposes of archiving it would simply DL the torrent that someone like Horriblesubs would post afterwards. But it would still be Funi's dub.

As it is now, assuming they ever get it working, a group will probably just take Funi's translations, slap it on an HD raw, and then rerelease it.

@firecrouch:

You can't always get what you want, that's a fact. Even if FUNimation and Crunchyroll eventually get to the point where they can provide everything that fansubbers can and more (which I know they can), it takes time.

Which is why Toei gave them the episode ahead of time.

Now if they had just subbed the thing, and then didn't upload it until showtime, they'd have been fine.@Green_vs_Red:

I think the notion of stopping any one series from getting fansubbed through whatever means is naive. As long as there are people willing to make a fansub along with people willing to download them you can't stop them entirely.

Who the hell is going to bother waiting a day for a fansubber when you could get it in an hour, with a professional translation, in HD quality?

And then who's going to bother subbing it when they can just take the one off the company's website(after it's SUPPOSED to be out) and torrent the thing?

@Wagomu:

Toei wouldn't pull the license for something insignificant like this. It's a single screw up in a minor matter. They didn't pull the license from 4kids when they epically altered the plot of the show.

That's because Toei doesn't care what they do with the show in NA. It's not like Funi gives Toei a cut of the profits. Toei makes the same licensing fee either way.

The only time Toei is gonna start to give a shit is if what Funi does somehow effects the show in Japan, which in this case, it did, because it leaked before the episode aired on Japanese television.

The worst they're going to do is simply not give Funi the episode ahead of time anymore.

Maybe I just don't understand how internets work, but what can't Funi just not upload the episode onto their servers until after it starts airing.

I assume that would solve the problem.

@dirt:

news flash

majority doesn't matter

I dunno what this argument is even about, but yeah, majority does matter. Always. It's the way the world works.

To be fair, the whole reason they did simulcasts in the first place is to put and end to fansubbing for good. And you can't do that if an aspect of your subs is inferior to what fansubbers provide.

The only way to completely kill subs is to have equal to or better speed, translations, and quality. If any of those is lacking, fansubs are going to continue.

It doesn't matter if downloaders deserve simulcast, professionally translated, high definition subs or not. It's what they're going to take reguardless. If you can't provide it, then there are people on the internet who will continue to use fansubs.

As long as Funimation continues to stream their subs in low definition, fansubs of One Piece are going to continue, somehow.