@Mr.:
Maybe Franky invented the first One Piece flying machine thingy. Not anythnin terribly advanced, but a small helicopeterish thing.
cough maxim cough
Most likely its an automated defense system that guards the ship while the crew is away.
i was thinking something along the lines of this too
yea franky is prob the best addition
but the way kaku was introduced made it seem sorta like he would join (before all the cp9 stuff) with all the mountain wind stuff and showing his crazy jumping skills, but iunno maybe thats just me
nah, the one in the luffy vs usopp fight was an impact dial
he even refered to it as an impact dial; atleast in the anime, ill check the manga
@Fire Fist:
Oda said it'd be someone from Arabasta. So probably Kurei or Pell. Though I doubt Pell. because Pell's not a criminal. However, the thought of having the Flamboyant Kurei on the ship would be a little much…
Isnt franky and kurei voiced by the same guy?
akward :S
well luffy went into the water with his scuba suit
http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceMangav…o&PhotoID=4553
so thats all the proof u need
@Monkey:
Didn't Ruffy feel weak in the Kairoseki(sp?) cage that Crocodile had in that casino even when he wasn't touching it? And it's said that Kairoseki has the same effect as seawater? Are you sure you arn't thinking of drinking/sugar(?) water?
Or why would even a tiny piece of Kairoseki (like the end of Smokers stick) weaken Ruffy?Monkey D. Ruffy
he felt weak at first because he was grabbing the bars of the cage, and then smoker hit him with his jutte which has the kairouseki tip but when he was just hanging around in the cage he was perfectly fine (sanji impression ftw)
edit: gah i took to long to post :S
cuz bellamy was a dick :/?
w/e i was wrong, thats what i understood about the fight
Then what was the purpose?
think it was just to prove that luffys ideas werent stupid and bellamy's new era was full of crap
yea frozen bounties suck :/
I dunno where i heard this but some1 said that crocs bounty wouldve been double his frozen 1 if the WG knew he was behind baroque works
@ultimateclima:
Thanks AceofBlades.
Will they have to wear that for Fishman island? Even if there is some place under there has air, its gotta be pretty tough for them most likely. If they ever get into the ocean, they're dead.
np
im for fire fist ace's idea of the dome, or maybe some kind of big underwater cave
but the thing is why would fishmen/mermen want/need/make an underwater dome? they can breath underwater just fine. why go through the trouble for some humans?
@ultimateclima:
Was the part where Luffy goes in the scuba gear filler on Toei's part? If not they could just wear scuba suits. Sure they'd be basically defenseless but it'll work.
no it wasnt filler, so yes a DF user could use a scuba suit type outfit http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceMangav-3/volume24.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=4553
luffys is a full suit so he not really touching water
OK, Blackbeard was FLOATING in the ocean after his raft was destroyed by the Knock-Up Stream, there is NO way he ate a Devil Fruit.
@Yamazuya:
Just to back it up before anyone gets the funny idea of arguing:
http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceManga/onepiecechapter237.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=4565
please read the thread before posting, thanks :)
so far all the D's we've seen have used hand-2-hand fighting (correct me if im wrong) so it would make sense for blackbeard to, and i think that they all have devil fruits. so far ace and luffy have them, its speculated that dragon has 1, if its true then blackbeards gotta have 1
sigh no1 read my post :(
he wasnt seen in the water as i said and the guy who post below me showed
and the blackbear d. teach thing was a joke on blackbeard :S
Im not sure but I believe ive heard this somewhere before that bear claw marks always displayed 4 scratches. Can anyone please help confirm this?
Shank's eye has only 3 scars so I feel more inclined toward a sloth zoan..maybe a tortoise?? he looks like he's in a shell…plus they both have 3 claws.
http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemangav-3/volume24.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=4662
your right about the claw marks, it seems its usally 4-5 marks
and no hes not in a shell there its just his stomach hair which looks liek the marks on a the bottom of a turtle
that pic reminds me of the guy in loguetown that smoker captures, and who the marines assume is luffy
dunno if it was in the manga but it was in the anime
Edit:
got a pic of him from the anime
Episode 48, about 7 minutes or so in
they're a bit similar looking, and the design on the hat is the same. he also refers to himself as gary of the cresent(sp?) moon.
HEY! Where did you get that idea? Damn… i was gonna say Blackbear D Teach just like how i said it in KF but oh well ...
so yeah, i'm going for the Black Bear model, but then some people discarded the possibility that Marshall D Teach possess a DF ability cause of that event right when The Blackbeards were chasing the Strawhats when they were about to go to skypiea using the knockup-back blah, whatever stream and the raft/ship the blackbeards were riding collapsed and all of them(blackbeards were swimming at the sea but i believe that they were on a log, right?
i just thought of the blackbear thing, i dont read KF forums
and yea he wasn't swimming when his ship got destroyed, so the DF idea is in the air
@Fire Fist:
I used the Inu Inu no Mi because it fits the 3 or 4 letter naming rule for DF's.
Did you forget Kaku's fruit? It's the Ushi Ushi no Mi: Model Kirin. Giraffes are not bovine.
Giraffes are actually related to the cattle family though, so using ushi is correct is a sense.
and im for the bear zoan. Blackbeard = Blackbear D. Teach omfgz :w00t: (j/k)
@Saloma: Thanks for correcting me.
Please tell me more about logia user, paramecia … I don't really understand those words, and they definitely are not in the dictionary.
Thanks again
Logia, Paramecia and Zoan are they 3 types of devil fruits there are.
Logia: The most powerful kind of fruit which allows the user to fully transform into their element. Ex. Ace (Fire), Crocodile (Sand), Enel (Lightning), Ao Kiji (Ice)
Paramecia: This fruit alters the user body. Example: Luffy (turned into rubber), Buggy (Seperates his body parts), Alvida (super smooth skin)
Zoan: Allows the user to turn into the animal the fruit represents. Also allows them to turn into an animal-human combination. Example: Chopper (human), Dalton (Bison), Pell (Falcon)
To be honest, I always just assumed his sensei was stronger than initially hinted at due to the ancient cliche of strong main characters often having had strong mentors.
would make sense,
luffy > shanks
sanji > zeff
usopp > yassop(or giants)
Well, working with the idea that they'd get the same points…Lucci + Rumble Ball + Arm Point + Roukougan = ...oh my...
I doubt Oda would let it work with anyone but Chopper. Might have something along the lines of "since he is actually a reindeer and not a human" kinda thing.
good point, because some of the rumble points enhance choppers human aspects (his actual ability) like how arm point gives him big human arms
and if the same works for lucci i doubt that the leopard aspects are better then his super human strength (cept for like the claws)
i don't think they'd be able to use it quickly, it could totally screw up their ability and give them retarded forms :S and who knows if it would actually affect them? im sure chopper had to experiment to get the rumble ball to work right for him
if he did use a rumble ball he might not have all the same points that chopper does
@MonkeyDragon:
Lucci had other forms as well besides the 3 main forms of a zoan-type, right?
Did he mix the Zoan powers with rokushiki to create more powerful forms? Can somebody sort that out for me please…anyway... i think "Dr Begabank" (if they ever meet him) will be very impressed by the rumble ball Chopper invented.
he used that life feed back technique to make his half leopard-human form smaller and faster
Weapon: Personally, I would like to see a lance or polearm wielder, as we haven't really seen someone with really good lance skills (not a lance like Gan Fall's or Shura's, but more like a spear or a polearm).
i'd like to see a spear type weapon aswell :O maybe they could use a quan dao(sp)
or just a random kind of weapon that you wouldn't expect
or a totally made up 1 like the clima tact
he'll remember him, i was suprised he didnt remember him in loguetown after he damaged his hat but since he almost killed him that should merit some memory :/
He did actually. He purposefully pierced Luffy's hat with Luffy being unable to do anything to avoid the attack, had he thrown his knives at Luffy's face/neck instead it'd have been game over for the kid.
thats true, 4get what i said :S
Let's look back at what we have seen of Buggy so far.
#1: Captured Luffy. Almost killed Luffy. Fought with Luffy pretty equally (Luffy got a few good hits in, but they didn't really slow Buggy down) until Nami tied his body parts up. Also found out Luffy's attachment to his straw hat.
#2: Couldn't do anything until he got his limbs back, then owned an entire village of cannibals. Teamed up with sube-sube Alvida.
#3: Captured Luffy again, almost killed Luffy but for the storm.
#4: Revealed that he has sailed the Grand Line before and even met Whitebeard and knows enough of him that he wouldn't dare hurt one of his men.Both of the times he "fought" Luffy Buggy has only relied on dirty tricks and some outside force has always ended the encounter before he had the chance to show off, so we've never really seen his true potential. And he has been sailing the GL for almost as long as Luffy, so he must have been in some fights as well. Just because they haven't been shown it doesn't mean they haven't happened. Buggy could be on the same level as Luffy right now.
I don't doubt that Shanks is stronger than him and has been for a long time. But Shanks is stronger than Luffy too. Maybe what Buggy lacked to get as strong as him was focus and now he has it.Of course, we're trying to guess Oda's plans, so it's pretty much an equal chance for any of our theories to be true.
he didnt almost kill luffy during his first fight (i dont really count the buggy bomb :/) and he pulled off alot of stuff during his first fight so its not like hes got a ton of tricks hidden up his sleeve and I strongly doubt that buggy is on the same level as luffy
@Mr.:
Buggy's going to be pretty powerful when he shows up again; Coby and Helmeppo went from below average average Joes, to reasonably strong guys with the same rank as Tashigi in a few months
yea but copy and helmeppo are being trained by Garp
yea id like to see buggy meet up with coby/helmeppo and then coby beats up alvida :O
Not to sound like a jerk but i dont think any cares about zeff. He is one of those passing characters that have no real bearing on the plot line. I doubt that oda will even brother to mention the previous yonkou if there where ones. Correct me if im wrong
he saved sanjis life and helped his dream about all blue. thats a pretty good bearing :getlost:
@Masta:
Tashigi will take the next legendary sword he tries to buy. This will force him to use a generic sword and try to get it back, but in the hands of Tashigi, it is dangerous. Assuming Oda makes her stronger than before, her and Smoker give the SH's a good challenge. All seems lost, and Zoro wants to get the sword back but can't without Sanji's help. Sanji then must make the choice to hit a women or let his friend's dream suffer. In the end, his choice will spell out the Mugiwara's untiy.
i doubt that Tashigi could beat Zoro and get his katana, unless she out right grabs it then runs the hell away
or maybe your talking about her buying it before Zoro does
the plans are for making another pluton
Some Logias:
Earth
Water
Wind
Mist
Rock(could be with earth)
Cloud( kinda like smokers fruit)
smoker is pretty much like cloud, if oda does make a cloud fruit then the user should be able to make lightning :) then it'd be cool
and mist would be pretty useless imo
i dont think the guy from chapter 427 was a logia, his devil fruit probobly can turn thing older, or it could just be rust, or it could be like acid :O
Earth,
Light,
Dark,
Solar Energy, Plants, Gravity, Temperature (possibly Dragon?), Steel,
some of those are cool, like the solar energy thing and steel (mr.1 v 2.0), but i dont think gravity or temperature would work
heres my list (im just thinking of random stuff):
acid
glass
lava (omg :O)
plastic
mud
rock
glue (yea w/e)
bone (naruto rip off :O)
blood (totally useless, but cool)
**> 2. Franky v. Kuro- Kuro
19. Franky v. Ms. MerryChristmas - Ms. MerryChristmas
20. Franky v. Ms. Doublefinger - Even
21. Franky v. Ms. All Sunday - Ms. All SundayKuro could possibly win, but if franky catches him its over (pretty much a common thing with fast guys)
I can see how think ms.merry christmas would win, she could dig around and ambush him from behind
iunno about ms. doublefinger
and i think ms. all sunday would lose, franky could probobly over power her**
we don't really know yet if Dragon has any devil fruit powers at all…...
Ace might be able to hold Aokiji at bay because fire melts ice..... but I don't think that's going to be Aokiji's downfall, since Aokiji probably already know his weakness is fire.... he probably already knows how to counter a fire attack......
it would be hard to know if Enel can affect Ace, but he might be able to fight evenly or even manage to defeat Kuzan, since melt conducts electricity.....
i dont think there could be much of a way to counter a fire attack, i dont know how a fight between enel and ace would go, and even if the lightning didn't work on kuzan (ice doesnt conduct much electricity, or so i hear), i think enel could do something like super heating his staff/spear and use it to burn kuzan, the ice melts and then its lightning time ;)
im still going with
1. Dragon(if he is a logia) - cause he actually affected smoker, if he did cause that green wind(most likely he did)
2. Smoker - Hes first mainly because he has no weakness(yet), not including the dragon incident
3. Ace/Enel/AoKiji - I put them on the same level but i do believe Ace and Enel are stronger, but then again we haven't seen a lot of what AoKiji can do (im hoping its more then just grabbing some1 and freezing them solid)
4. Croc - because hes weaker then the other 4
edit: added dragon :P
Quote:
Also, Pruin wassn't HQ…..nor smoker
wasn't smoker sent from HQ to loguetown to deal with all the pirates entering the grand line?
I agree with psolaras that the logias are the same
smoker is maybe the strongest because he has no real weakness (unless dragon is wind, then he could prob just be blown away)
then ace and enel
then aokiji
then croc
(my first post btw :) )