Azegoroth, I like your idea, but, what did you mean by this:
"I really doubt Luffy would die, if he did, then what was the point of having Roger in the story in the first place?"
Don't really understand it. =/
Azegoroth, I like your idea, but, what did you mean by this:
"I really doubt Luffy would die, if he did, then what was the point of having Roger in the story in the first place?"
Don't really understand it. =/
WTF? Double posts 11 minutes apart from each other…..
Azegoroth, I like your idea, but, what did you mean by this:
"I really doubt Luffy would die, if he did, then what was the point of having Roger in the story in the first place?"
Don't really understand it. =/
Because, the backstory about Roger was that he obtained all the riches of the world, Fame, Wealth, Power. Then, oddly he bacame executed, and his death started the pirate age.
Well, if luffy finds one piece and then dies, does that not seem exactly like what happened to Roger? So If Luffy makes the Same journey as Roger, gets killed like Roger, etc. What was the point of including roger in the first place?
Roger is the reasons why the whole world is in it's current shape (pirate age), he is the reason why Luffy is going on his journey, and so far, Luffy is in some mather of ways doing things exactly like he did.
If WG gets crushed before the ending, I don't really see a reason why Luffy would die. But if not, the WG could see the similarities between Roger and Luffy. And make Luffy end it. With his death.
Rogers death started the pirate age, Luffys may end it.
Oda is making the whole circle of life.
I see what you mean though, I think. If Luffy do things Rogers way, why didn't we just see Rogers adventure? Right?!
Why does everyone think Gol D. Roger was capture could he have turned himself in (think, he conquered all knew the True History and had no more adventures to live except the last big adventure death)
I think Gol D. Roger (after reading the True History) knew that his death would make people more curious about things that happened and being to search for an answer (and the Pirate Age began)
Unless there was a Coby for Gol D. Roger or someone he love in danger and he gave himself up to save this person
More it wouldn't make sense for a man that was the strongest man (and this is confirmed by the fact that the only tie he had was with WhiteBeard) alive to be captured by someone principally because WhiteBeard (the now most strong man) is still at large
Knowing Oda, Roger probably gave himself up to save someone else's life. Although personally I'd like it if a group effort of all the marines caught him.. and him giving himself up for no other reason than that he 'accomplished everything', while I know many subscribe to this theory, just seems totally morally wrong to me.. it would mean Roger was a total wuss.
Achieving something is hard.. but keeping it is even harder. When you achieve something and then just give up.. that's just the wussy way out imo.
^^ but if he gave up we don't know why. And who ever said Rogers goal was to become the Pirate King? Sure I believe he wasnted to be a great Pirate, but I also believe he ahd a another dream. To revive the ancient kingdom or something along that lines.
@Octogon:
^^ but if he gave up we don't know why. And who ever said Rogers goal was to become the Pirate King? Sure I believe he wasnted to be a great Pirate, but I also believe he ahd a another dream. To revive the ancient kingdom or something along that lines.
If Gol D. Roger was the archeologist (I think he was) them is dream might have been the same Ohara scholars had and Nico Robin has
The knowing the True History and making it open to all
And this makes some sense if put together with the he gave himself up to start what will end with Luffy reaching Raftel and Nico Robin reading the Rio Poneglyph and making her dream come true
All things after will be side effects of this acomplishement
Darkariel, I almost always says that Roger gave himself up. Or, that is at least what I really think happened, and is most likely.
I think Roger was a genius, hated the WG and saw no better way than to die and start a chaos no one could predict. Exept himself.
I don't remember seing that :unsure:
Gol D. Roger couldn't have been stupid or else he wouldn't have done what he did (but them again Luffy isn't stupid either just naive)
I don't read the English version so I do not know how that phrase was translated in English, but in the RAW version on Ch 400 Page 3 in the fifth frame Kokoro says
"Wasn't Roger stupid (baka yarou) like this kid? Isn't that why you lend him a hand, right [Tom]?"
However, don't forget that Bakayarou here does not exactly refers to "being stupid" It's more like them doing stuff without thinking of consequences.
If the people-from-ancient-kingdom-turned-into-devil-fruits theory is true, then my prediction is something like this:
1. Zoan users: Guardians. Because the Zoan is often associated with guardians (Pell, Chaka, Dalton, etc.), the Zoans could have been the kingdom's guards and protectors, and they chose to turn into devil fruits that would defend the kingdom with their lives.
2. Paramecium users: Artists, fighters, tradesmen. Mr. 3 and Buggy are good examples. Buggy is a traveling performer (A clown), and Mr 3. is a Wax sculptor. Methinks the Paramecium users are those in the lost kingdom that knew a trade or had a talent, or were disciplined fighters.
3. Logia Users: Nobility, Scholars, Senators, etc. People with Logias are Arrogant, cocky, scheming, wise, and have their own sense of "Justice or morals". In the Kingdom, they were probably the senators and nobility of the lost nation.
So what does that leave? A Devil King and Queen fruit.
@Fire Fist:
If the people-from-ancient-kingdom-turned-into-devil-fruits theory is true, then my prediction is something like this:
1. Zoan users: Guardians. Because the Zoan is often associated with guardians (Pell, Chaka, Dalton, etc.), the Zoans could have been the kingdom's guards and protectors, and they chose to turn into devil fruits that would defend the kingdom with their lives.
2. Paramecium users: Artists, fighters, tradesmen. Mr. 3 and Buggy are good examples. Buggy is a traveling performer (A clown), and Mr 3. is a Wax sculptor. Methinks the Paramecium users are those in the lost kingdom that knew a trade or had a talent, or were disciplined fighters.
3. Logia Users: Nobility, Scholars, Senators, etc. People with Logias are Arrogant, cocky, scheming, wise, and have their own sense of "Justice or morals". In the Kingdom, they were probably the senators and nobility of the lost nation.
So what does that leave? A Devil King and Queen fruit.
Good theory, but one thing that ODA does not like is "the class" sytem… I think in this manga, he tries to show that. So if "this ancient kingdom" had the correct or ideal system (for ODA), this theory will be false.
:blink: I don't know what I am saying:blink:
I don't think there will be a "King" and "Queen" fruit.
For one, we don't have any idea whatsoever what kind of government the lost kingdom was.
hi guys here is what I could think of:
Whitebead vs. Roger: they could have been equally strong, maybe Roger a little bit stronger, but they never had fight to the end, and Roger was king of pirates because he was the captain, see it like zorro and ruffy, when you see them fight (whisky peak) they seem equal, but ruffy it his capain and friend so zorro will never attack/kill him just to be king of pirates that is not his goal.
als for Rogers body… maybe rogers crew attaked loqe town after R.'s execution and safed his body, broght it to raftel or anywhere else and buried him.
as for whitebeards injuries, i don't thint that is because of their fight, i think he ist just an old man who spend his whole life fighting, maybe he got hurt bad when saving rogers body, but that is just therory.
Ruffy is followin the same rout roger was, that ist just to show the simillarties between those two.
Now that's a cliche ending if there is one.
Possibly, but I bet it's closer than Luffy getting executed. The simple fact of the matter is that Oda is setting up the WG for a big fall, or at least it looks that way, and the true history has something to do with it. was trying to figure out what an ending would be like taking that aspect of the story into account.
Also, whoever said Gold Roger was an archeologist might be on to something…he could have studied at Ohara.
i've always had the feeling the series will end with a DON. if Luffy dies eventually, i won't be too surprised. but then his life would be too like Roger and even now, people are already comparing. i think their similarities in taking paths are meant for people to think about the D linkage between them.
another thing made me think. Roger's One Piece speech in the beginning had a definite cryptic note in it. if we assume that he was studying the true history, then wouldn't the People Who Knew Things quickly pick up what "over there" meant? and even though the scholars were already killed at that point, Roger's message seem to be leading people who weren't scholars into uncovering WG's ancient taboo, unconciously. no one confirmed that the One Piece is in Raftel. the way people explain it, it's more like a legend. it is confirmed, however, that the Rio Poneglyph is there. so "over there" could mean the location of the weapons AND/OR the lost kingdom itself.
my version of the ending:
Luffy does not die. the SH uncovers the True History and spreads the truth around world. world becomes angry. a REVOLUTION occurs (led by Dragon) and eventually topples the WG. everyone thanks and worships the SH for their hard work, giving them truckloads of world riches and asks "Will you rule us, please?" whereas Luffy guffaws and speeds off into the sunset with his crown, cape and meat, never to be seen again.
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i've always had the feeling the series will end with a DON. if Luffy dies eventually, i won't be too surprised. but then his life would be too like Roger and even now, people are already comparing. i think their similarities in taking paths are meant for people to think about the D linkage between them.
another thing made me think. Roger's One Piece speech in the beginning had a definite cryptic note in it. if we assume that he was studying the true history, then wouldn't the People Who Knew Things quickly pick up what "over there" meant? and even though the scholars were already killed at that point, Roger's message seem to be leading people who weren't scholars into uncovering WG's ancient taboo, unconciously. no one confirmed that the One Piece is in Raftel. the way people explain it, it's more like a legend. it is confirmed, however, that the Rio Poneglyph is there. so "over there" could mean the location of the weapons AND/OR the lost kingdom itself.
my version of the ending:
Luffy does not die. the SH uncovers the True History and spreads the truth around world. world becomes angry. a REVOLUTION occurs (led by Dragon) and eventually topples the WG. everyone thanks and worships the SH for their hard work, giving them truckloads of world riches and asks "Will you rule us, please?" whereas Luffy guffaws and speeds off into the sunset with his crown, cape and meat, never to be seen again.
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That was just like my theory….but with a weird...whatever.
I personally don't necessarily think Dragon is a good guy. Dragon's revolution could be just as bads as the WG. Luffy&co could find themselves trapped between the two sides, which is what I think will happen. This would lead, awesomely, to a luffy-dragon throwdown.
Uhm, wait now… Roger died before Ohara was attacked. Right?! Busters Call was 20 years ago, Roger died 22 years ago?!
Uhm, wait now… Roger died before Ohara was attacked. Right?! Busters Call was 20 years ago, Roger died 22 years ago?!
Exactly, meaning that he could have studied there before it was destroyed.
I don't read the English version so I do not know how that phrase was translated in English, but in the RAW version on Ch 400 Page 3 in the fifth frame Kokoro says
"Wasn't Roger stupid (baka yarou) like this kid? Isn't that why you lend him a hand, right [Tom]?"
However, don't forget that Bakayarou here does not exactly refers to "being stupid" It's more like them doing stuff without thinking of consequences.
Ha now it makes sense, I thought Kokoro really said stupid and I passed that part by
I always translate bakayarou as crazy fool but not in the stupid meaning
WhiteBeard probabibly was respect for Gol D. Roger so maybe a Luffy WhiteBeard encounter will be one more clue to Gol D. Roger, just like Crocus and Dr. Kureha and others have been giving, I think after WhiteBeard face Luffy and sees the spirit he say so the Gol D. Roger's will is still alive
Ohara was destructed 22 years ago so there is plenty of time to Gol D. Roger to have been there and maybe meet Nico Robin's father and Clover, learning the ancient language in the process