Originally posted by Buccaneer@Mar 13 2005, 03:04 PM
So I don't get it. Is GM the star of a new cover story, or…...what?
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Going Merry is a member of the crew.
Originally posted by Buccaneer@Mar 13 2005, 03:04 PM
So I don't get it. Is GM the star of a new cover story, or…...what?
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Going Merry is a member of the crew.
Yeah, it's showing GM goofing off with animals, like the other cover pages do…... or something.
No I meant the cover story. Y'know, like with Gedatsu. Is it Merry's?
A new cover story hasn't started yet… And i dunno how a cover story would be possible with Merry still in the warehouse.
It's possible. They don't have to be anywhere because the cover story just shows them in some other place. Maybe it's a fantasy.
Quick comments.
I'm in agreement with Buc. The crew needs to work together but at the same time, Luffy needs to show Robin and Usopp that he's still the Captain and the one to look to for leadership and guidance. Aokiji manhandled the Straw Hats. That already shook up Robin. Now CP9, this bad@$$ government agency, is in town. Robin knew what they were capable of. And she had just seen her Captain get manhandled. Her confidence has been shaken with the Straw Hats. Luffy HAS to take down Lucci or do something to prove he can defeat Lucci to restore Robin's confidence in him. Sanji may be able to get her back into the crew, but Luffy needs to seal the deal by showing her he can protect her from people like Aokiji and Lucci.
I'm also kind of with Yoska in regards to Chopper and Nami. I can perfectly see Chopper staying behind in this arc to take care of the wounded and Nami going on some kind of adventure while the others fight. But Paulie though needs to fight or at least be at Eneas Lobby even if he's not going to end up joining. It's just part of the story. Iceberg is too wounded to go there himself. Paulie needs to go in order to tie up some of the loose ends. I think the Straw Hat fighting team will ultimately be Luffy, Sanji, Zoro, Usopp, and Paulie.
Sounds right to me. I love Chopper, but he isn't really needed in the main fight. Besides, he needs to stay away from Lucci; he might get eaten or something. :P
Originally posted by Buccaneer@Mar 13 2005, 08:29 PM
Sounds right to me. I love Chopper, but he isn't really needed in the main fight. Besides, he needs to stay away from Lucci; he might get eaten or something. :P
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Reindeer > Leopard
I know Luffy will take Robin back. I'm wondering how Zoro will react to this….I know he follows his captain's orders but will he really stand for this?
GOING MERRY'S RAMBUNCTIOUS WAREHOUSE ADVENTURE: VOLUME ONE
'Why Merry, You Look Lonely In That Warehouse Dock'
GOING MERRY'S RAMBUNCTIOUS WAREHOUSE ADVENTURE: VOLUME TWO
'Merry Tries To Entertain Itself Whilst At The Warehouse!'
GOING MERRY'S RAMBUNCTIOUS WAREHOUSE ADVENTURE: VOLUME THREE
'The Author Forgot Ships Can't Entertain Themselves'
Going Merry get's eaten alive by termites….
The idea is that a GM coverstory in the warehouse would be like watching paint dry or something :lol:
GM GET'S A PAINT JOB! BRILLIANT!
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I think you miss the point a little <_<
Originally posted by MB.@Mar 13 2005, 10:45 PM
GM GET'S A PAINT JOB! BRILLIANT!
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That reminds me of those Guiness commercials.
'A Little Black Book?! Brilliant!'
Alright… How did we get into this discussion?
Originally posted by Doho_the_kenho@Mar 14 2005, 02:42 AM
Alright… How did we get into this discussion?
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Eh, that's typical.
This chapter didn't really reveal all of that much that we didn't already know or suspect, as a result, it's no surprise that minds starting wandering this quickly. The next few chapters ought to be interesting though as the flashback is over and action is sure to start soon.
I can't recall who originally suggested it, but I like the notion that Sanji has wound up at Aeneas Lobby at the same time as Hina brought in Mr. 2. If so, let's see how Okama Kenpo matches up against CP9's martial art skills.
…...I don't think it's nearly a match. He lost to Sanji y'know....
YES!
Just noticed the forums are back!!!
This completely made my day.
THANK YOU.
I know Luffy will take Robin back. I'm wondering how Zoro will react to this….I know he follows his captain's orders but will he really stand for this?
I quote (Zoro): ''Luffy!!! Hurry and go after Robin!!''
I know Zoro trusts Luffy more than probably anyone else he knows. Which is fitting, because he's his captain and all.
In any case, I really doubt any internal conflicts popping up after this, except for maybe concerning Usopp. If any of the crew starts doubting Luffy's capabilities because they saw him lose a fight, then what the hell has the entire series been for up to this point? Honestly, I don't think it would fit the story in the slightest.
Pakkunyo.
_Originally posted by Yoska+Mar 13 2005, 12:44 PM–>QUOTE(Yoska @ Mar 13 2005, 12:44 PM)I've been waiting for the whole arc her to use the waver. It's capital of water but even though it should be the most handiest thing we still haven't seen it even once. Jeez, has she forgot it?
I suppose she just left it in the hotel room together with her plants …._
Yup.. it seems rather unlikely that any one of the crew would abandon Luffy for losing a fight. They're a lot more like family than the typical gathering of enterprising cutthroats. The ONLY person who might POSSIBLY fit that description is (ties the rope around his own neck) ..Nico Robin, unfortunately :P I suppose its only fitting that Nico Robin joins Luffy only after he manages to crush Crocodile, one of the big seven, but ditches him (and leaves Luffy and the rest of the crew framed and well overpowered) a few chapters after Luffy himself is trounced by an old nemesis of hers in the Marines. ^^;
Nami on the other hand, a crew member that Robin is often compared to, shares what is perhaps the most immense personal bond with Luffy following the Arlong Park Arc. In terms of loyalty I'd guess hers was the strongest. Then Zoro who not only admires Luffy's determination but seems to just plain like the lil guy. Then Chopper who seems to be the most emotionally dependent of the Strawhats, then Sanji who's reason to join was only partially out of admiration, partially because of All Blue, and a lot to do with Nami's ever growing bust size, and finally Usopp who's quite torn at the moment, but he's not just a blind follower and has a strong independance and introspection. HOWEVER, I hesitate to put Usopp below Sanji, simply for the fact that he didn't leave for selfish reasons like Robin did. He left, MUCH like Nami during Arlong Park, both for himself and for what he honestly believed was best for the rest of the crew. He's been thinking that he just slows everyone else down for the longest, the GM and the Frankies incident just brought all those feelings to a head. A chain is, as they say, only as strong as its weakest link. :(
I'd rank them that way, but in the end there isn't much difference at all between their "loyalty levels" because they all share a common bond for whatever reason, and that bond is shared between all of them. Like Luffy said, alone there are plenty of things he can't do, but together they are strong, and their greatest strength comes from their faith and ties to eachother. I can't imagine ANY strawhat abandoning a comrade simply because they lost a fight or lost some money or something like that. It wouldn't be that person's mess, its one for all and all for one…well, for the most part. Robin still has a lot to learn about the Strawhat Credo, what with the framing and the ditching and the watching as CP9 takes her former comrades apart like little pirate dolls. C'est la vie ^_^
Originally posted by Buccaneer@Mar 14 2005, 07:43 AM
…...I don't think it's nearly a match. He lost to Sanji y'know....
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Yes, but we don't know how Sanji matches up against them either. If he turns out to be strong enough to fight them, then I would expect Bon Clay to be able to as well. It's not like he lost that badly to Sanji.
Originally posted by Ubiq+Mar 14 2005, 01:13 PM–>QUOTE(Ubiq @ Mar 14 2005, 01:13 PM)
Originally posted by RedShanks+Mar 14 2005, 10:34 AM–>QUOTE(RedShanks @ Mar 14 2005, 10:34 AM)
spandam looks really cool now, so i bet he's 10 times cooler. Chopper is cooler looking too so he's gonna be cool. he'll fight and do good on his own a little. i think pauly will wake up and help chopper, and nami will get better and try to wake up iceburg. wow let the action begin!
Robin never chose to become a strawhat….she wanted to die. Luffy rescued her and she forced him and his crew to carry the burden that is Nico Robin. Off of what Oda has given us so far there's no way we can speculate what Robin is going to do....
Originally posted by MB.@Mar 14 2005, 05:22 PM
Robin never chose to become a strawhat….she wanted to die. Luffy rescued her and she forced him and his crew to carry the burden that is Nico Robin. Off of what Oda has given us so far there's no way we can speculate what Robin is going to do....
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Well of course we can speculate, silly. :rolleyes:
But that's all we can do.
GAH! I hate being away for the weekend, I miss the whole thread.
Most of what I wanted to say has already been said, although I now offer this speculation:
It's possible that CP9 will be defeated here on Water Seven and that Spandam will be either a) the villain/co-villain of the next arc as well, or B) come back at a much later date to be a thorn in the side of the Straw Hats.
And I still am up in the air about Paulie or Franky. I think Paulie fits better, but there is a lot going for Franky right now too. It's too early to tell, Oda likes screwing with us.
Yup.. it seems rather unlikely that any one of the crew would abandon Luffy for losing a fight.
Remember in Skypiea? Luffy was all like "Don't worry, Nami, you're the friend of the future pirate king!" Now if he had lost to Ener, it would have made complete sense to doubt him. And this isn't really different. No one had ever seen Luffy owned before, so it'd be understandable if they didn't feel all that safe, because CP9 probably aren't even the most powerful people out there.
Not saying they'd abandon him, it's just…..I don't know. It's like being a child and seeing your dad get his ass kicked.
I haven't read most of thread, so this has probably already been covered or at least touched on. But like I said at Kefi, I think Tom will still be alive & being held at Eneas Lobby. I think Spandam will use him as a point of leverage over Iceburg, who he originally planned this around, but seeing as Franky is alive, he can use it against him too, to probably better affect.
I think Tom has been held in a jail cell, deep within this place Eneas Lobby for the last 8 years, which I assume at this point is a major government detention/execution ground on the Grandline. Just think of the imagery, Oda could use. Tom a mermen version of a Puffer fish, who has a very large proud stature, being reduced over the span of those 8 years, to a shriveled up, disheveled old man, who has been become very weak & fragile.
Who has probably undergone a great deal of torture, physically & mentally by Spandam, probably a lot interrogation over the blue prints. Just think how profoundly heart breaking that would be for Ice or Franky, to see Tom still alive, in such a pitiful state.
I think it would be a perfect chance for Oda to help the reader take Spandam more seriously as a villain & a chance for Franky to really fight CP9 with all his might.
Originally posted by Battle Franky@Mar 14 2005, 08:13 PM
I think it would be a perfect chance for Oda to help the reader take Spandam more seriously as a villain & a chance for Franky to really fight CP9 with all his might.
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I think when Lucci told Franky that Iceburg was killed by them, that probably caused Franky to fight CP9 with all his might.
On another note, Franky (pre-cyborg) caused serious injuries to over 100 Marines? With only two rifles being used as clubs and nothing else, that's pretty damn impression.
Well, they're probably counting the damage done by the ships as well.
Originally posted by Ubiq+Mar 14 2005, 01:13 PM–>QUOTE(Ubiq @ Mar 14 2005, 01:13 PM)
I alway assumed CP9 was talking about Spandam's use of the Battle Frankies to destroy the Judiaciary Ship and attack the port of Water 7 when they spoke of all the damage he caused and his crime being "the same as Tom's." (Tom was convicted of building the Oro Jackson)
Originally posted by SuperJew@Mar 15 2005, 09:42 AM
I think when Lucci told Franky that Iceburg was killed by them, that probably caused Franky to fight CP9 with all his might.
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Well he didn't have a lot of room to fight or pull out some of his larger more powerful moves in the warehouse, also four on one doesn't exactly play into Franky's favour. I'd say given more room, & having no one to worry about (Square sisters, Usopp) & squaring off against only one of the CP9 (I'd say Blueno, seeing as he was the first one Franky attacks).
Then we could see Franky fight to his full potential, no hindrance whatsoever, nothing holding him back, just mano a mano.
Yeah, I still feel that CP9 could be beaten one on one by Zoro, Luffy, or Franky. Well, Lucci would probably still kick their asses 3 on one in beast form…
Zoro was besting (or at the very least holding his own) against Kaku. It wasn't until Kaku pulled that finger gun crap that Zoro buckled so I definitely think Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji should be able to duel with any of them one on one.
I'm not sure about Franky though. He seems to be too bulky and dispraportionate to deal with CP9 for an extended period of time (dodges arrows from Franky fans). He's like a moving target. Blueno's bulky too but he's been trained to move fast and fight in close quarters.
The best analogy I can give here is boxing. Franky has huge arms, like logs. This would be ideal in a mano-a-mano fight where there is a couple of feet separating the combatants. But CP9 has shown that their fighting style has them sneaking in close to do moves like the finger gun. So as Franky is moving his loggy arms around widely, CP9 is able to dodge around them and come in close to attack. Yeah, Franky could have cyborg parts that could speed him up or whatever, but CP9 moves pretty damn fast and buzzes about like a humming bird. They'll just pick their spots when Franky goes to throw a punch.
The rest of the Straw Hats are more proportional so they can move their body around faster to counter the close quarters attacks of CP9.
Ali vs Foreman basically….
Well, if you go by boxing, Franky has much more reach, which is a great advantage (difficult as shit to overcome). And being at least a heavyweight, I'd say he has more power than Luffy.
Originally posted by MB.@Mar 14 2005, 11:11 PM
Ali vs Foreman basically….
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Float like a butterfinger! :D You know your stuff.
Originally posted by Buccaneer@Mar 14 2005, 11:13 PM
Well, if you go by boxing, Franky has much more reach, which is a great advantage (difficult as shit to overcome). And being at least a heavyweight, I'd say he has more power than Luffy.
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Buc, I agree with ya. Franky has a HUGE advantage when it comes to reach. But based on what we have seen so far with CP9, they like to sneak in and get close to attack. They'll duck and weave and pick their time to strike.
Originally posted by GunMetal: Reloaded+Mar 14 2005, 10:15 PM–>QUOTE(GunMetal: Reloaded @ Mar 14 2005, 10:15 PM)
Originally posted by MB.@Mar 14 2005, 11:19 PM
Franky is a sneaky guy…..we know he can deliver a kill shot already. It's matter of sneaking on up on them after being beaten to near death and then using all of his energy DBZ style.
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Well there ya go. I can so see him pulling off an unexpected Coup attack when they are not expecting it and blowing a couple of them away. Though I like to think that's how we'll see Spandam get what's coming to him.
I think soru alone cancels out the reach advantage. Then tekkai and that move that allows them to flutter against the momentum of attacks like a sheet of paper (kami-e?) cut down the power advantage, if there really is one… considering these guys can slice concrete with the wind from their kicks and dip their fingers into bodies like bullets from a chain gun.
Originally posted by Golden Dragoon@Mar 14 2005, 10:29 PM
I think soru alone cancels out the reach advantage. Then tekkai and that move that allows them to flutter against the momentum of attacks like a sheet of paper (kami-e?) cut down the power advantage, if there really is one… considering these guys can slice concrete with the wind from their kicks and dip their fingers into bodies like bullets from a chain gun.
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Hence why we're all on the edge of our seats to see how this all plays out.
Reach is DEADLY with outboxing. As frail as my cousin is (187 cm, 68 KG), in the dozens of fights I've seen him in, he's never even been touched because of his fierce, self taught outboxing.
Franky isn't an outboxer (or boxer at all, it seems), but he could still pull back and deliver shots, making Kami-e hard to pull off. And with such reach, he could land a suprise haymaker much easier.
Basically the exact same thing Luffy does. Throw ten billion punches from a distance and when one lands you can feel their jaw break on your fist.
Originally posted by sgamer82@Mar 11 2005, 09:22 PM
**With the Flashback done and Spandam's role in the story more or less revealed, I got bored and made a little description page for him.If anybody's interested, you can see it here.
I'll probably update it as W7 progresses. I might also make up some similar pages for the other members of CP9 and Rokushiki.
Hope you like.
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Cool write-up. But it was the butt of a rifle he hit him with, not a plank of wood.
No one had ever seen Luffy owned before
Well, they didn't actually SEE him lose to Crocodile the first time, but they know he didn't win the first go-around, don't they?
Wait… has began. Jump's coming early this week. (Death Note Extra chapter is already out.)