A question for mods (not sure where to post this but …)

[HTC]

When a member posts distastefull things (for lack of a better word) things and persists with it, such member should suffer some sort of "punishment".

In the thread of SPOILER: Ch 399, e1n said this:

"i was gonna delete this thread and make all of you suffer until the new chapter comes out because of all the bickering and off topicking that kept happening, but the food calmed me down, so you guys were lucky there."

It is my belief that this would be punishing not only the infractors but all the others, that did nothing to deserve it, as well, and i think there must be a better aproach to do this.

I don't know if it is possible or not but what if every member had, in it's profile or somewhere else (don't know the proper place) a screw-up meter that would only be changeable by moderators? Let me explain:

Every new member gets their screw-up meter =0. Every time a member screw up like the example that provoked the above e1n's reply, it increment 1 in the screw-up meter. With it at 1, member would get a verbal warning; with it at 2, member would would get a 1 day ban from posting; with it at 3, member would get a 2 day ban from posting; and so forth. I'm sure that, with enough screw-ups, members would be discouraged of screwing-up again.

This might be a bad idea, or even impossible to do, or both. I really don't know.

This idea any good?

[igalsfy]

there was something like that on the old forum. i think it's not necessary, the mods are frightful enough to stop users srewing up.

and at the very least, steve can kill 'em all :steve:

[oceanizer]

We used to have that in old IPB forum. We just need to find a mod(ification) for vB… but I don't know if we're not lazy enough for that o.o

And yes, Steve keeps the count for us and he automatically notifies us when it reached the limit o.o

[HTC]

Steve?? Don't know who he is: sorry. IPB forum? That must have been before i became a member.

Good thing i placed this topic on my favorites list, otherwise, i woudn't have found it again, heh.

It's just that e1n was thinking of a measure that would punish all: guily or not, and that's not fair to the innocent dudes!

[wanderer-zero]

There is a reputation system built into vb, ill look into its capabilities and let you guys know what happens.

[warp]

NOOOO! I hated the warning system. I got warned like 2 times out of 10 for stupid stuff. i didnt want to be banned i love this place ;-;

(though i have learned from my old noobish ways.)

[Zio]

Feh. Never really cared for that old warning system. I just kept track of other people's infractions in my head, using a "Three strikes and you're fucked" ruling.

I don't think any of the banned people got up to 10, I think the most was in between 5 and 7.

[HTC]

That way i thought it up, there would be no permanent bans: only temporary ones. But after like screw-up nº 10, 9 days unable to post … that would be a deterrent (spelling??), wouldn't you say?

[GoAnderson]

Damned Zio broke ahead of me in the Ban List. In simple terms for simple members, watch your backs. ^_^'

In actual answering to the topic thread, I think we do fine as-is. The only attack we've had in recent memory was really Kabuto's little attempt at German, and even if we do happen to fall under an attacker's bad lil' sights, it'll be fine; we're already debating stuff like this, actually. No need to worry, I promise.

[Zio]

@HTC:

That way i thought it up, there would be no permanent bans: only temporary ones. But after like screw-up nº 10, 9 days unable to post … that would be a deterrent (spelling??), wouldn't you say?

That's a nice thought, but some view being temp banned as not as a learning method, but motivation to seek revenge. The second the temp ban goes, they either keep doing what they do or perform even worse acts. That's when the permanant ban is needed.

Sometimes, it's just better to cut to the chase and ban them for good after several warnings.

[HTC]

@Zio:

That's a nice thought, but some view being temp banned as not as a learning method, but motivation to seek revenge. The second the temp ban goes, they either keep doing what they do or perform even worse acts. That's when the permanant ban is needed.

Sometimes, it's just better to cut to the chase and ban them for good after several warnings.

When the first few temp bans occur, i imagine that it might be true, but i doubt it would continue as the screw-up meter rises more and more. Typically, a chapter comes every 7 days, right?
Say that a member commited the 14th screw-up: that's 13 days of ban, meaning almost 2 chapters after that member's last post. Unable to voice his/her opinions/thoughts … I think it could work, maybe!

[Paulie]

@HTC:

When the first few temp bans occur, i imagine that it might be true, but i doubt it would continue as the screw-up meter rises more and more. Typically, a chapter comes every 7 days, right?
Say that a member commited the 14th screw-up: that's 13 days of ban, meaning almost 2 chapters after that member's last post. Unable to voice his/her opinions/thoughts … I think it could work, maybe!

If they're the kind of person who deserved being banned in the first place, do you think they care all that much about being able to "voice their opinion on a new chapter?" Especially when compared to something else available to them, like "Getting back at the people who banned them."

[igalsfy]

come on, no thread was closed because of bitchiness. i think it's no use to think about stuff not needed right now. i maintain that a few pms are enough to calm a user, no warning level needed, imo.

[e1n]

@HTC:

It's just that e1n was thinking of a measure that would punish all: guily or not, and that's not fair to the innocent dudes!

exactly.

if i do that once, maybe then you non-guilty people can direct your anger towards the guilty people so that they will realize how much contempt they can earn from doing stupid thing. (go send them PMs)

i can suspend them if i want to, but i think they'll learn their lesson better if the whole entire forum erupted and put them at the stake. people power.

[Solar Knight]

igalsy, the PM system is a useful thing. Helps solve disputes without making things go public, or something like that (like ye said).

@Zio:

I just kept track of other people's infractions in my head, using a "Three strikes and you're fucked" ruling.

Ah, it's what makes this place all-american, the baseball rule. Never mind the fact that the place is about a japanese comic, or there being so many foreign members. Those are just small details.

[HTC]

@e1n:

if i do that once, maybe then you non-guilty people can direct your anger towards the guilty people so that they will realize how much contempt they can earn from doing stupid thing. (go send them PMs)

True, but even if you only do it once, you will still punish all.

[Zio]

@Solar:

Ah, it's what makes this place all-american, the baseball rule. Never mind the fact that the place is about a japanese comic, or there being so many foreign members. Those are just small details.

Tsk, tsk. I said that I use that method, I am not the sole person banning people and I do have to make some kind of report about a troublemaker and their infractions to the others so they know about the potential banning and comment on it.

Well, not really a report, just a post in the right place saying "Hey, this guy is doing <insert major="" violations="" of="" rules="" here="">. Can we ban them yet."

Also, Japan plays baseball too. They just don't have a World Series like we do.</insert>

[e1n]

@HTC:

True, but even if you only do it once, you will still punish all.

i know.

i just wanted to be unfair for once. it's exhausting being fair and considerate to people, but no one would listen and keep doing things i tell them not to.

[taboo]

It's just a forum thread. >__> People will get over it.

[Carly]

I think as evinced by the last couple weeks, there's varying degrees to how we handle the situations that come up around here… if it wasn't obvious already :laugh:

I'm sure I would've done what e1n did though. Situations like that, what else can you to show that what's going on isn't the right thing ? They're discussion threads, not YOU'RE A FUNGIAL BUTTHOLE threads. Thinking on it, you guys have been more feisty than usual lately... spring must be coming around :laugh:

Simply put, we have rules for a reason, that's to keep up civil discussion. If e1n hadn't put that warning there, I'd put ten bucks easy that someone else would've gone and tried to keep up that argument and that's not something anyone wants to sift through. We're not trying to be despots, we're trying to keep the place friendly like your grandmother's house. :laugh:

[Buuhan1]

…My grandmothers house is boring....don't make this place boring! I beg of you!

[HTC]

@Carly:

I think as evinced by the last couple weeks, there's varying degrees to how we handle the situations that come up around here… if it wasn't obvious already :laugh:

I'm sure I would've done what e1n did though. Situations like that, what else can you to show that what's going on isn't the right thing ? They're discussion threads, not YOU'RE A FUNGIAL BUTTHOLE threads. Thinking on it, you guys have been more feisty than usual lately... spring must be coming around :laugh:

Simply put, we have rules for a reason, that's to keep up civil discussion. If e1n hadn't put that warning there, I'd put ten bucks easy that someone else would've gone and tried to keep up that argument and that's not something anyone wants to sift through. We're not trying to be despots, we're trying to keep the place friendly like your grandmother's house. :laugh:

The objective, here, was to come up with a way to efectively punish the infractors, without punishing anyone else, and that is what this suggestion was for. It may, or may not work and/or is not doable, i don't know.

[Carly]

In that situation, I don't think it was. Like I said, I'd put ten bucks down easy that someone else would have made some dumb offhand comment about the argument and thus would have kept it going if e1n HADN'T addressed that out in the open. We can't just go around putting temp bans on everyone for stuff like that; MU maybe but we don't have it atm, and besides, who would've known what the deal was with that if they were just suddenly banned ? Funny as it may seem there are some members who DON'T read spoiler threads :P

The warning was fine to me. Flat out, they were shown in the best way that what they were doing wasn't acceptable because they could clearly see how it was impacting the thread and how being so vicious like that can derail a thread so severely that we have to step in. Plus, everyone else will have that reminder that no, you can't just call people an asshole through this wonderful veil of anonymity called the 'internet' and expect to get some ego-jerking back for it.

Obviously there are tons of different ways to deal with a situation like that, but if any of us hadn't agreed with what e1n did we'd be discussing it in private and probably taking away his gummy snacks or whatever. The environment in that board is supposed to be discussion of the manga without getting repercussion for what you think from us staff – it's an open spot, a safe spot. Even if what you think is wrong, someone will correct you and let it fly (unless it's some stupid thing like the pirate's summit, because that is stupid to debate on). But fueling malicious arguments like that ? No go, dude.

Like I say, I'm not the one who took the action in the first place, I didn't even see it since I was pretty much engrossed in a physics lab, and frankly I don't think you ought to be questioning something that's done, that's over with, and something that even the arguers aren't still bitching about :laugh:

As per your original suggestion, we do have that, actually… along with a few other choice tools to take care of repeat offenders, but this forum has been open barely a week and we haven't really had time to install all those features back yet. I don't think I would've used any of them in that case, though. I do honestly think I would've done what e1n did, because there would've been someone dumb enough to continue that argument if we hadn't flat-out said NO.

[theinvisibleworm]

If this sort of thing happened I would constantly be creating new accounts using proxies just so I could post. It would not deter someone like me in the least and it's a bad idea.

It's better when mods are just willing to talk to members, like when I get in trouble I'm usually able to talk to a mod and then we settle things in pm. That's the best way to stop the real assholes, like me. Asking someone to stop is sometimes a lot more effective then provoking them with "punishments."

For instance, Carly talked to me even though I sent her a pissed of private message, and I think that worked pretty well (as I'm pretty sure I've done nothing wrong since). It's really unwise to piss off people who usually only start trolling when they get pissed off in the first place, because well, it's really just going to fuel their behavior.

[igalsfy]

@Carly:

I do honestly think I would've done what e1n did, because there would've been someone dumb enough to continue that argument if we hadn't flat-out said NO.

well, as i was one of the people concerned with this case, i have to say that e1n's warning was the best thing to do, as i am someone dumb enough to continue the argument. it was enough coz i already knew i was wrong. well, in fact i was right with my thoughts but wrong with this forum's policy, that's it.

being dumb is not a criiiime~!!! (i don't have red underwear)

[Majek]

@HTC:

The objective, here, was to come up with a way to efectively punish the infractors, without punishing anyone else, and that is what this suggestion was for. It may, or may not work and/or is not doable, i don't know.

The best punishment is to punish everybody. After that the masses will find the infractors themselves and deal with them . The are far less repeat offenders that way. "Screw up" meters, moderated posts, temporary and permanent bans are IMHO unnecessary for now but when we (AP) get bigger that might be needed. But it's not like that'll ever happen:ninja:

[oceanizer]

The best thing for you guys to do is just ignore the spammer/offender/whatever. If you don't feel right, just shoot us a PM or two, and we'll take care of it. Responding to it just make thing worse.

[joekido the Second]

I remamber the little bugger, I olny got one warning level for slashing against another user. What bothers me the it kept saying <0 -1- 10> untie the forums went into a VB upgrade. I remamber it been like that after April's Fools all the way to late Augest/early Septamber. I was careful not to flame anyone and behave myself not to have it go higher. EXG almost rose it for double-posting, Konis warned me about a pointless post that If I do it again I would get another raise.

I don't want it back, I prefer a Mod/Amin to warn me reather the being scared of the screw-up bugger. Also, just follow the rules

[HTC]

@joekido:

I don't want it back, I prefer a Mod/Amin to warn me reather the being scared of the screw-up bugger. Also, just follow the rules

In the original idea, it would not have a limit: if you were to screw up for the … 36th time, you would get 35 days of post banning (5 whole weeks).