OK, sorry if this was asked a billion times already, but when Rocketman was gonna ram into E. Lobby Zoro said a line something like 'We'll leave it….to luck'. He also said (in K-F's fansub IIRC) when got Kitetsu: "We'll see which is stronger- it's curse or my luck".
I just find it wierd that Zoro would belive that much being lucky- is this his way of saying 'what will happen will happen' or something like that?
About Zoro's…..'luck'
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Well of course, he's been confident about things
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Doesn't Zoro's name or something can be readed so that there's number 777?
I guess Oda just realized that and thought it may be funny. -
actually, zoro's name is a pun to zorome, which is read 11-11 or something.
that explains his birthday on 11/11. XD
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nmaa i have a similiar question. How did Zoro know a strong guy (T-bone) was up ahead? Is it a swordsman thing?
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He knew because he saw a giant sea monster cut by a sword, and he knew only a very strong swordman could do that, and he couldn't be too far.
By the way, then zoro as the same birthdate as mine :) -
gah! I thought Zoro cut through it along with the train. hits face on keyboard
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A zorome is just a repeating sequence of numbers. Like 1111, 88, 9999999, etc etc.
Zoro's birthday is based off of his name being very close to the word, not the other way around…
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Zoro takes things as they come because he is confident in his ability and his dream. In his mind - if it were to end here, then it wasn't meant to be. Not that he won't try, it's just one of those "give it your all" things and hope for the best.
You could change every reference of luck to fate and have the same outcome.
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Zoro's birthday is on Rememberance day. I wonder if that has any reference?:huh:
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Zoro takes things as they come because he is confident in his ability and his dream. In his mind - if it were to end here, then it wasn't meant to be. Not that he won't try, it's just one of those "give it your all" things and hope for the best.
You could change every reference of luck to fate and have the same outcome.
Not really….luck is an inherently random force, fate is decided by the gods. Zoro's life isn't run by the gods; he just stays confident that random events will go in his favor and, if they don't, he'll be able to deal with it.
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luck…....or fate?
best quote from Zoro ever
"I didn't dodge the rocks, i knew where they wouldn't fall"
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Lots of luck stuff comes into play with both Luffy and Zoro, you've got to wonder….
The two that come most to mind are Zoro's "Leave it to luck!" and Luffy's apple munching with Doc Q.
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luck…....or fate?
Luck. All heros have that kind of luck. Zoro's trusting to lick fits his carefree lifestyle.
Frankly, I hate stories where the hero is protected by fate, and etc. If the villain was decreed from before he was even born to be the evil one, is he really evil? Fate is a copout, a polite name for moral cowardace.
best quote from Zoro ever
"I didn't dodge the rocks, i knew where they wouldn't fall"
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Not really….luck is an inherently random force, fate is decided by the gods. Zoro's life isn't run by the gods; he just stays confident that random events will go in his favor and, if they don't, he'll be able to deal with it.
Fate is a human word to describe the "will of the gods". If anything, it's the opposite. I think fate works just fine
luck…....or fate?
best quote from Zoro ever
"I didn't dodge the rocks, i knew where they wouldn't fall"
I think that that quote signifies observation and speed.
Cause if it was luck or fate, he wouldn't have had prior knowledge. The word "knew" signifies that he had knowledge prior to it actually happening. Either he's omniscience* , or he saw them coming.
*Omniscience - all knowing, having all knowledge.
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Fate is a human word to describe the "will of the gods". If anything, it's the opposite. I think fate works just fine
Actually, they have totally different conotations, one of which works with Zoro's personality and one of which doesn't. And while we're at it, what the hell are you talking about? Your arguement makes no sense…I can't even tell what you're trying to say.
I think that that quote signifies observation and speed.
Cause if it was luck or fate, he wouldn't have had prior knowledge. The word "knew" signifies that he had knowledge prior to it actually happening. Either he's omniscience* , or he saw them coming.
I agree. This bolster's my argument about his attitued being tuined in more to his own skill than the will of any god.
*Omniscience - all knowing, having all knowledge.
You want "Omniscient" there.
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Originally Posted by Freddy_Licorice
luck…....or fate?best quote from Zoro ever
"I didn't dodge the rocks, i knew where they wouldn't fall"
I think that that quote signifies observation and speed.
Cause if it was luck or fate, he wouldn't have had prior knowledge. The word "knew" signifies that he had knowledge prior to it actually happening. Either he's omniscience* , or he saw them coming.
*Omniscience - all knowing, having all knowledge.
Actually, that quote happened just as Zoro learned to hear the breath of all things. He cut through one of those rocks and then through Mr. 1 right afterwards.
It always seemed to me that he knew where the rocks were falling from because he could hear their breath-not luck at all, and more than just speed or observation.
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That was always my assumption as well.
Also, when mr. 1 asks if Zoro will cut diamond's next, Zoro responds as he does because mr. 1 is ignorant of the "breath of all things" and is like Zoro used to be, he believes that Zoro cut through the steal with brute power and has no idea about the breath thing, which is why he doesn't realize it would be pointless for Zoro to go and cut diamonds "next."
It's not something he needs to aspire to because now he can cut anything (and also NOT cut things).
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Also, when mr. 1 asks if Zoro will cut diamond's next, Zoro responds as he does because mr. 1 is ignorant of the "breath of all things" and is like Zoro used to be, he believes that Zoro cut through the steal with brute power and has no idea about the breath thing, which is why he doesn't realize it would be pointless for Zoro to go and cut diamonds "next."
It's not something he needs to aspire to because now he can cut anything (and also NOT cut things).
^^^ and this is what I always assumed that that meant, funnily enough.
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I just think that all of Zoro's sense of direction went to the luck side.
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I think Zoro, and also Luffy are living a very charmed life, and they tend to get lucky too often. Both of them have no sense of direction but went out to sea with no planning and thorough preparation whatsoever. And somehow they manage to survive. Any other normal person would be dead by now. They also tend to take risk( that tend to be suicidial to other people) and somehow scrape past. They lead a charmed life there's no doubt about it.
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I think Zoro, and also Luffy are living a very charmed life, and they tend to get lucky too often. Both of them have no sense of direction but went out to sea with no planning and thorough preparation whatsoever. And somehow they manage to survive. Any other normal person would be dead by now. They also tend to take risk( that tend to be suicidial to other people) and somehow scrape past. They lead a charmed life there's no doubt about it.
All comic book superheros do
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Actually, they have totally different conotations, one of which works with Zoro's personality and one of which doesn't. And while we're at it, what the hell are you talking about? Your arguement makes no sense…I can't even tell what you're trying to say.
You want "Omniscient" there.Grammer R Friend :XD: I'm a computer major, thus my English skills suffer. Had to look up the spelling so I just went with it without reading it out.
Personally, I believe in "Will of God", and the word "fate" is a four letter word beginning with "f" to most people who believe like I do. Since this isn't a religion thread, I'll end it at that.
I guess all I was trying to say is "fate" is a human understanding of higher powers, not the actual event. Or, to put it shorter "Is fate what's really at work?"
Not trying to confise, just spark discussion.
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Grammer R Friend :XD: I'm a computer major, thus my English skills suffer. Had to look up the spelling so I just went with it without reading it out.
Personally, I believe in "Will of God", and the word "fate" is a four letter word beginning with "f" to most people who believe like I do. Since this isn't a religion thread, I'll end it at that.
I guess all I was trying to say is "fate" is a human understanding of higher powers, not the actual event. Or, to put it shorter "Is fate what's really at work?"
Not trying to confise, just spark discussion.
Meh, I don't really like the idea of higher powers at work in my life.
For one thing, considering the general run of my life, if it's really the will of God then if by some chance I make it into heaven, I will have to punch the holy one in the face.
But to each his own:happy:
Riding a Rhino is safer so we Ride a Hippo for Adventure!
~Bobobobo BO-bobo~
PS: I am a big fan of kittens:love:
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Random ennemy: Do you feel lucky, punk?
Zoro: Why yes, I do. :happy:They should've made that scene chapters ago. Zoro doesn't pray to God, so I guess only lucky is left for him.
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Not really….luck is an inherently random force, fate is decided by the gods. Zoro's life isn't run by the gods; he just stays confident that random events will go in his favor and, if they don't, he'll be able to deal with it.
Ah that sort of explains things now, thanks.
…and IMO 'Fate' is what a human does which the god has nothin to d with, sort of like the saying "You reap what you sow" or something like that. -
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Ah that sort of explains things now, thanks.
…and IMO 'Fate' is what a human does which the god has nothin to d with, sort of like the saying "You reap what you sow" or something like that.Well, the OED says…Fate, n, 1. a. The principle, power, or agency by which, according to certain philosophical and popular systems of belief, all events, or some events in particular, are unalterably predetermined from eternity.
Sounds like the will of the gods to me:huh:
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Well, I guess I'll just let the whole deffinition of fate sit at that deffinition. I was taught different then that, but for our purposes in the thread we might as well use that.
That being said, I say Fate over luck.
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Talking about fate, it was only when Luffy survived Buggy at Loguetown, the weather seeming to conspires to help him escape to the grand line ( I don't think it's dragon by the way who bring in the winds) that a big chill runs down my spine, which made me thinks that One Piece is going for something Larger than what was written before. That the story is just not about a boy wanting to be a pirate king but something bigger, that it starts to sink in that Luffy is fated for something really really big.
